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Should Our First Fruit Go To The Pastor's Pocket?

I was in church last sunday when the pastor preached about how important our first fruit is.He defined first fruit as your first earning immediately you get job/contract and subsequently your first earning every year.One thing that puzzles me is that he said this first fruit should be paid directly to your pastor and not the church and he backed it up with the scriptures at Ezikiel 44:30.I am not here to condemn any pastor but want to be enlightened on this.Tx

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It gos 2 God rather,nt a pastor.

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Yeah you should pay to your pastor being your leader that preached to u and prayed with you as he showed u the way by the grace of God until u got the job, Prov 3:9-10 says " Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops; then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine."

Also read Galatians 6:6-7, it says "Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor. Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

It's your pastor who labours for you. So give him what is due to him.

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[tt][/tt]I have read many coments on this topic, to many of you, you need to read your bible and ask God for understanding, don't judge and curse who God has appointed, you might be just cursing your own self and family.

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Paula White is a very corrupt twister of the Bible and a con merchant; she needs to repent. Type just her name 'Paula White into google and open your eyes.

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http://resurrectedchurchministries.org/Giving.html

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Hi, I have learnt so much about First Fruits from a great preacher call Paula White

Check out the links and watch the videos, I hope this helps people to understand so much better. Am new to this principle, and I obeyed to recieve Gods Blessings for 2010.

http://www.paulawhite.org/firstfruits

http://www.paulawhite.org/pages/media_center

God bless you all

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This is the same thing you people use to confuse others into parting with their hard earned cash.

in all your lengthy writeup, you talked about TITHE, FIRST FRUITS and SOWING SEEDS.

I see absolutely nothing about Charity, even when JEsus and the first Apostles talked constantly on the need for love and charity for the suffering.

This is why Christianity in Nigeria is fast losing the plot.

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since when do u have to drop tithes to be blessed by God? see ignorance. i am blessed by God's grace not by money given to pastors

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You know what? I don't dispute the fact that there are fake pastors but really why worship in a church that you are not sure of the integrity of the pastor/prophet etc. This is where this whole issue lies.

The church where i worship gives me assurance that I am in the right place.

Some people say the pastor is a thief. Yeah, but your money goes to God and this brings me back to the question I asked. Why worship in that church then.

Paying tithe/firstfruits/offerings is not by force!However, I pray God will make you see reason to.

However, don't wonder why somethings are happening for some and nothing for you.

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d pastor try no b small

dem pastors r so flipping bold these days

in their cunny ways of stealing and ripping people off

bold cunny mother 4ker

NA WA OH

sow seed, give me your first salary, pay the church/

pastors 10% of your monthly or weekly salary or wotever u make

in the name of tithe, the list goes on n on

look at all of dem living LARGE while a lot of people r suffering

N LIVING IN POVERTY, ITS JUST NOT RIGHT!

ole ole thiefy thiefy

God have mercy on their soul or should i use the old testament =

thou shalL not steal and an eye for an eye

dem go wait tire 4 my own 1st salary or wotever n d rest crap dey kip

preaching!

he/dem can kiss my black a$$

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Just as i thought you would quote a scripture like philipians 4:10-19. If i were to be rad in it's proper context you would observe that Paul was thanking the philipians for their financial support and NOT teaching or preaching to them to give to him as a means for God to bleww him. I am sorry this scripture doesn't answer the question i asked. My question is to show at least one scripture were christians were taught t give to their pastors/ preachers as a means for receiving financial blessings from God. Still waithng.

For the benefit of others i would post the passge here and you be the judge if it answers the question i raised

Philippians 4:10-19:

Paul’s Thanks for Their Gifts

10 How I praise the Lord that you are concerned about me again. I know you have always been concerned for me, but you didn’t have the chance to help me. 11 Not that I was ever in need, for I have learned how to be content with whatever I have. 12 I know how to live on almost nothing or with everything. I have learned the secret of living in every situation, whether it is with a full stomach or empty, with plenty or little. 13 For I can do everything through Christ, who gives me strength. 14 Even so, you have done well to share with me in my present difficulty.

15 As you know, you Philippians were the only ones who gave me financial help when I first brought you the Good News and then traveled on from Macedonia. No other church did this. 16 Even when I was in Thessalonica you sent help more than once. 17 I don’t say this because I want a gift from you. Rather, I want you to receive a reward for your kindness.

18 At the moment I have all I need—and more! I am generously supplied with the gifts you sent me with Epaphroditus. They are a sweet-smelling sacrifice that is acceptable and pleasing to God. 19 And this same God who takes care of me will supply all your needs from his glorious riches, which have been given to us in Christ Jesus.

The philipians 4:19 which pentecostals love to quote is actually a prayer for the philipian people by Paul and not a promise from God as it is usually used out of context. This prayer i spersonal to them and NOT a general promise to believers.

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lets be honest tithing and first fruits have roots in judaism.full stop. then why are they twisting and turning?

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dat pastor na thief oh or either he is been deceived

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Well as a christian i ought to put you on the right path, go and search your scriptures well and you would discover the emphasis on christian giving is to the poor an the needy and not to the church or pastors. Christian teachings are the teacchings of christ and the apsotles in the bible and NOT old testament [judaism] teachings that preachers now smuggle into christianity and twist for  their benefit. Contrary to your false assertions that you only get blesssed when you give to these false prophets that teach these heresies Jesus specifically taught that giving to the poorand needy is giving to him and the reward is the Kingdom of heaven which such people would be admitted to. Tithing, first fruit and seed sowing are NOT christian teachings but rather Judaism, those teachings are not applicable to christians as doctrine as the apostles never taught them to the church and it was never a practise of the christian church founded by the apostles. Below is what christ as to say about giving to the poor and needy + the glorious reward that awaits those who do it.

Matthew 25:31-40:

The Final Judgment

   31 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations[b] will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.

   34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was Unclad, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

   37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or Unclad and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

   40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[ you were doing it to me!’

If you still want to pursue this argument with me kindly post at least one scripture in the new testament in it's proper context were believers are taught to give to their pastors and preachers as a means for receiving blessings. Just one scripture abeg!!!!!

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[quote author=KunleOshob link=topic=383412.msg5373057#msg5373057 date=1264267047

Whoever you are,you desperately need help to be freed from the shackles of the anti -christ and satan.

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Wonderful, the truth really hurts,its you who needs help can't you see that the god of this world has so blinded your eyes to spiritual things as simple as this.

But thanks be unto god who in his infinite mercy has made it possible for the likes of you to come to the knowledge of his word.

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What kind of question re u asking? If i gave assuming N10,000 As offering in 2009& in dec God saved from a ghastly accident dat could av cost my life as a result of my giving.Now is d protection not worth more than N50,000,000 to me? What i mean is,if God would pay u back what u gave for d spreading of his gospel,it may be in financial/non financial pay back.Thats what i meant in my posting

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So do you mean to tell me that when you reap the benefits of your giving it is not as sweet as when you were doing the giving in the first place?

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All i know is that,its more blessed to give than to recieve.Giving is very very good.be it to pastor,imam,beggar,pagan,boy,girl etc.Its an investment u will reap back,not only in financial terms,but in protection,success&upliftment.Last yr,i gave my tithe to d fullest,gave offerings more than b4&in sept,i was promoted&i passed all professional exams in2009.So d returns is sure&may not be in finances alone

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Whoever you are,you desperately need help to be freed from the shackles of the anti -christ and satan.

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how come you want to be enlightened but yet you are looking in the wrong place. If you do not have the understanding as regards thevfurst fruit the best place to seek counsel is from an anointed man of god. The bible says pastors have been given for our edification and also they feed us with knowledge and understanding.so get wise. Remember blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel if the ungodly

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Giving is not expenditure but an investment. You dont give to lose.The measure of your giving is your harvest.

Romans 11:16

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

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OMG!!! Here come this business center operating pastors again ooo. LOL

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its a two way thing.ifu are led by the Holy spirit to sow it as a seed to the pastor, my friend go ahead ther's nothing bad in it. but if u are not, pls keep ur money but make sure you pay ur tithe. to the pastors message, well i would not say he is fake, bt there is every possibility dt he is working for his own pocket. so pls listen to ur inner witness and act acordingly.

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http://buddymartin.net/blog/2009/12/honoring-god-with-first-fruits/

First Fruits is a directive from the Bible, but I dont think a cheque should be written to the pastor for it. Just donate it in the Church. Moreso, it is not by compulsion but should come from the heart.

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heck no. I do believe in paying your tithes to the church NOT TO THE PASTOR. The bible never says give it all to the church.

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In case you hadn't noticed, this is a public forum where input is accepted from all and sundry. The OP raised a topic that is pertinent to our country and frankly speaking everyone is entitled to chip in. Trading insults detracts from the v serious main topic in hand. If you feel that others chipping in is them not minding their own business then perhaps 'you just don't get it'.

Getting back on topic. Food for thought - Nigeria has one of the highest concentrations of churches (well at least in Lagos) in comparison to a lot of other countries and yet it ranks the lowest on the International Transparency ratings. It seems all the bible we've been carrying about is either not rubbing off on us well at all OR we are seriously mis-interpreting it's message.

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I have never admitted it is ok for christians to tithe becos as far as the bible is concerned it is an anulled practise [hebrew 7:12&18] and the wway we understand and practise tithing today is wrong and contrary to the scriptures also bearing in mind that the type of tithing practised today is a man made version different from the way it was described in the bible in deut 14:22-29. However if a christian having come to the knowledge of truth about tithing and he knows in his mind that he still wants to give a portion of his salary towards the gospel be it 1% , 10% or whatever he/she chooses then there is nothing wrong with that. But there is everything wrong with preachers twisting God's word to extort tithes and first fruits money from the flock. I won't bother to address the question you asked as i see chukwudi as already done a very good job on that. All that i would add is that the emphasis of christian giving as taught in the bible is giving to the poor and needy the "church" comes second after that contrary to what ever impression you have been given before now. If you are in doubt do a research on all the christian teachings on giving in the new testament and read it in their proper context then you would get the picture

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Everything about Nigerian pastors, and even the muslim alfas, is about money! They are partly responsible for everybody's greedy and dodgy businesses, coz as long as you give a percentage to these "men of God", you are not doing anything wrong! wat a shame!

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ol boy 2 cor 9:7 anwers ur questions

Each man should give[b] what he has decided in his heart to give,[/b] not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver

christians are free to donate money,food items e.t.c to their churches or pastors,but it must be done out of one's own freewill and not out of any obsolete mosaic law.It can be 1,2,3, 100% ,not necessary 10%

There is nothing like compulsory 10% or fist fruits in christianity

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My ques to mr kunle.We have all admitted dat we need to give offerings&tithes/alms.Now how&what are we suppose to give? Our produce or our product? The moslems give sakat which is money,so as xtians what are we to give

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@ Staln and Beefy!!Why don't Y'all mind your Business? Go get a job. Its between I and Kunle and not you. So, kindly mind your business.

Besides, I and kunle are dudes;what we say here is our business and not urs okay;learn to mind your business. Just like I was bfn Abuzola at the other thread;People who don't mind their biz came in. At last, they made a fool of themselves while I and Abuzola made up;cos we dudes. So, I ain dealing with you guys okay and I don't wanna deal with you.

@Kunle- U remain mi dude!!!!

@Staln and Beefy-Mind your business and piss off.

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nigerian pastors= thieves without guns.

first salary should go 2 parents or do something good for someone less privileged than u. God is not intreasted in your actions. He is intreasted in ur heart

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He referring to the old testament. Jesus came n became our mediator and thereby high  priest thru whom we now all go to God.

Refer to the link below to be better informed.

http://www.intothyword.org/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=43347&columnid=3803

In addition, look at Hebrews 5:1-10. Finish of matter.

Abeg which church be dat??

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The Church is created for business purpose, makes Israel the holy land, to attract millions of tourist and become rich, in fact Jews people have scam the world. Who is Jesus? is he God? or just a poem? Our great grand fathers was blind by selling our real culture for a token, the Chinese refuse to sell there culture, cause is business wise. christians need to wake up, cause they are not even sure if all those things they are been told is real. and they scam them by saying have FAITH. http://www.thebiblefraud.com/

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Shey i said it You guys have hidden agenda. Your attack is not just against tithe or offering. It is the church you are really after, Try to make people lose faith in every pastor so that you can achieve your ultimate aim.

WOLVES IN SHEEP CLOTHINGS!    I HAVE A WORD FOR YOU,

Matthew 16:18

   And I say also unto thee, I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey in fulfillment of prophecy!:

Zec 9:9  Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an Bottom, and upon a colt the foal of an Bottom.

Mat 21:4-5  All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an Bottom, and a colt the foal of an Bottom.

Joh 12:14-15  And Jesus, when he had found a young Bottom, sat thereon; as it is written, Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an Bottom's colt.

What other lies have you believed?

Mat 25:27  Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.

So why did he mention bankers if there was no capital economy seeing as banking underlies much of the "capital economy"

Indeed sir, the times do change but the word of the Lord remains the same.

Psa 119:89  Forever, O LORD, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.

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@selencious Instead you answer my question you are throwing words, must everybody accept the the Jews bible stories?

Jesus came to this world 2000 years ago, why didn't God alert African maybe after 50 years of Jesus coming? why after 1800 years? they visit Africa to tell us about one God that visited us? Why was Africa blacklisted when Jesus came? they are allow your parents to perish for 1800 years b4 they contact us, to believe. for me Bible remains a fraud.

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Church himself is a fraud, all pastors are fraudsters, Bible is a fraud, Jesus never came to this world, If Jesus truly visited this world as bible claim,

why was our fore fathers not aware, until the 18th century, after 1800 years of Jesus coming, then they visit Nigeria to tell us the news, why not couple of years after Jesus came, what take them so long alert us, what even make Jesus not to alert Africans of his coming, why was our fore fathers blacklisted, http://www.thebiblefraud.com/

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@ Kunle!!! U sound so dumb. I had better listen to the dogs bark than argue with you.

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@ Kunle! Belve whatever you wanna belve and stop making up fake epistles, Its ur life right??

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That is the usual lie pastors tell to justify their twisting of the Malchi scripture, i would repost the deuteronomy passage were the instruction of tithing was given and explained and you would see even from that passage that tithe was clearly not money and money could not be substituted for it cos tithes was food meant to be eaten in the house of God by the tither himself + his family. Mention of money was also made in that passage, that provides clear evidence that money existed then but it was NEVER directed by God to be used as tithes as the purpose of tithes was different.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29:

22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

24And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

25Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:

26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

You can see from verse 25 above that money existed then but God still instructed the tither to use the money to buy food stuff which he and his family would eat in the presence of God. Now if money was meant to be tithable, God would have simply told the tither to give the money to the levites but he didn't he asked the tither to buy food for himself and his family. If you are to review the above passage very well, you would discover that the principles behind the biblical directives on tithing is totally different from the man made version practised today. If pastors want us to practise tithing today the best way would have been to tell us to buy food stuff and bring it to church were we would eat of it with our families and also give out of it to the needy and the clergy as exemplified in the bible. At least we still eat today so you can't say that times have changed. the example of Jesus riding a donkey has absolutely no bearing on the subject matter. If situations today is different from biblical times the list we can do is still uphold the principles of the teaching and not twist it to suit our own objectives

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Religion stops you from thinking and reasoning! Religion is destroying Nigeria. Being spiritual and being a good Christian are not the same as being Religious. That's why the few great thinkers we have ever had come out of Nigeria have stayed far away from Religion, Solarin, Soyinka, Fela et al

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Paul wrote letters to timothy, Philemon and others but we dnt know how they were transmitted. If it were now it would have been done by the internet.

Sir times have change

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You Both lack the wisdom of God, and I advise you to ask. "Foo1s die for lack of wisdom." Proverbs 10:21

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 states that one-tenth of all that comes into your possession, belongs to God. This was God's plan to instruct His people as to the way of blessings that He had for them. God is a multiplier by nature, and He could not multiply that which was not entrusted to Him. When the children of Israel were obedient to give back to God that which was His, increase was guaranteed. Scripture states, It's better to be obedient than to sacrifice. In

Malachi 3:8 God says His people have robbed Him in tithes and offerings. In verse 10 of Malachi 3, you will notice that it states "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

Malachi 3: 3 - 12 gives God's mind with regards to paying tithes

"Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.

"But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'

"In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse-the whole nation of you-because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty. 12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty. NIV

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Tell the pastor to post his CV on Nairaland so people can help him find a job. He obviously needs one.

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Key word in the above being food, i am still yet to see the scriptures or know who gave our preachers the authority to change the word of God written in the bible from food produce from yearly harvest to money from monthly/regular income. If this is not twisting the word of God what is? And the bible makes it crystal clear in the passage below that preachers twist the word of God becos of their greed. A word is enough for the wise:

Jeremiah 8:8-10:

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”

when your preachers have twisted it by writing lies? 9 These wise teachers will fall

into the trap of their own foolishness,

for they have rejected the word of the Lord.

Are they so wise after all?

10 I will give their wives to others

and their farms to strangers.

From the least to the greatest,

their lives are ruled by greed.

Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.

They are all frauds.

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May God continue to bless and increase ur Knowledge. The Judgement of Pastor, Bishop, Prophet Iman and Alfa rest with God and not in the hands of their followers.God said pay tithes and offerings in Malachi3 8-12 that there may be food in the house of the lord. So if the pastor use it any how, Let God judge them and not us

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