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Should We Tithe Before Or After Paying Tax?

A Friend of mine was in church last week and had an argument with the pastor because she asked if the monthly 10% tithe that she gives to the church should be 10% of her income before tax is deducted or after. She earns £2000 per month and takes home £1600 after income tax. She was giving £160 pm to the church, but the pastor says she should be giving £200 which made her feel very upset . She then challenged the pastor to justify this considering that the church does not have to pay taxes. He insisted that she should give the full £200 willingly and not question God's word.

Who is right in this matter and how much do you tithe?

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@Poster,

I think we should have things in the proper perspective here. When you tithe it is directly to your High Priest Jesus even though physically collected by your pastor (Heb 7:8 ). Tithing is a spiritual thing which activates a spiritual law on your behalf. You're not just dropping your money for a pastor, God has a responsibility to you if you tithe correctly (Mal 3: 8-12).

    Remember that the first person recorded to tithe was Abraham (Gen 14:20). And this tithe was of spoils of war, people/slaves which were assets that could be exchanged for money. And remember also that biblically if you give you will receive, if you sow you will reap (Gen 8:12). So please if you will tithe do it correctly ( TITHE = 10% ).

    As to the issue of before/after tax, I think of it as both tithe and tax being taxes unto different authorities; God and man. So the kind of relationship I have with God makes me give Him priority. As someone said earlier you will have to make up your own mind (and level of faith) on this. It is not by compulsion. It should be by faith that God will bless you beyond your giving or your need.

    But consider this question, if you were to take up a new employment and you were asked how much your previous salary was would you quote pre- or post- tax figures?

    In my personal experience, I noticed an increase in my finances when I started tithing in faith, holding God to His promises. So I increased it from 10% to a higher percentage. It took me a couple of months to adjust but again not too long thereafter I noticed another surge in my income plus a decrease in my expenses    ! Some years after that I increased the percentage I pay monthly again ! That same year I experienced success in something that had eluded me for a while. So many things about tithing in faith but not much time. Suffice it to say it works if done in faith.

    God bless!

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@KunleOshob,

I'm sorry dear sir, but you made the categorical statement that you indeed were making accusations [reminder: "Even when i make accusations,. . " your quote]. I just wanted you to be clear about the fact that you acknowledge your own accusations, which again was the point all along - that is it unfair for you to constantly make these assertive accusations in your obsession against tithes.

Talk about being deceived, I have shown you several times that what you may assume as the status quo in every single case is not actually so. There are many people who actually tithe without being coerced, mandated, cajoled, forced, manipulated, or compelled to do so in any way. I was one of those who strongly opposed tithes until I began to realise that God never once condemned it or set any Christian to legislate or assert the opposite on His behalf. Only when I opened my heart to Him and realised indeed that I possibly might have been wrong, did it occur to me that the attitude of tithe-opposers is unhealthy towards their brethren in tithe in simplicity.

I have often tried to reason with people on this subject, and the first thing I notice is the same thing I was once engaged in: the default position to accuse, slur and castigate others every single time in our misplaced pride that we are telling the "truth". I have since come to know that truth was never committed to us to use against others in such a manner - and that is why I often discourage such attitudes in this matter. It is not as if everybody must be converted to become tithers, for even if the Lord Jesus Christ were to come down Himself and state it as part of our Christian faith, many "Christians" will find reasons to still begrudge or resent this subject!

If I were to call a spade a 'spade' and expose your misconceptions, would you be willing to endure the same? You see, Kunle, I have often stated that truth can be shared without being perjorative to anyone. Why is it that it is sooooooooo hard for tithe-opposers to be simple in sharing their persuasions without seeking to be perjorative towards anyone, whether in a generalised or personal way?

Anyway, if there are anomalies to correct, the first place to begin that correction was in my heart - it began with me, not others. I had to first get rid of the log in my own eyes and erode my prejudices before I could be in a better position to help others. "Help", I said, not slur or malign them. Please go back and see where I have been discussing tithes - with the exception of my response to anonimi once, my attitude has always been to discourage the slobbers against others and state our persuasions in a helpful manner. This is why I have often tried to reason with even you, going often back to Scripture rather than appeal to all sorts of misquotes here and there. I decided to let the matter be; except that any time I see this unhealthy attitude from non-tithers, such have often served as invitation to point out their anomalies.

An example? I have often repeated it every time you asserted it: the 613 laws of Moses that you asserted were repealed by Christ's death. It is sad that while you claim to be passionate about speaking truth, you have never taken the time to sit down and check out the fallacy of that assertion. Should we keep quiet every time you project that false statement while you feel at liberty to be perjorative at other people? Why, Kunle, . . why is it that we as "Christians" are ever so prone these days to defiant disregard for simple truth? If it were true that 613 laws of Moses were repealed by Christ's death, why do we still practise a whole host of them in the new covenant?!?

Would you really desire me to call your spade for what it is? It is very easy to point fingers at others. . but when the same things are pointed out to us, the immediate reaction is to consider them "insults". Kunle, when you make recommendations to other people, think of yourself constantly - it will help you discover the blessing of humility far more than a readiness to justify our own accusations for any reason. Which was why I asked the previous question directly.

Shalom.

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@KunleOshob,

What justifies your accusations at anybody - whether generalised or personalised?

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I'm glad for your sake that you noticed and should take care of your own tent before you pelt others. Let me apologise for being that forward, I did not mean to come off the way you took it.

However, how do you think others would feel when you keep being so accusative every single time you display your obsession about this subject of tithes? How is it that you cannot share your own perspective without asserting that what others are saying differently from yours are tantamount to "all sorts of lies"? After having appealed to you to refrain from such attitudes, you felt quite at liberty to display your "love" in Christianity by constantly priding yourself with this same attitude. Kunle, truth was never given to believers to castigate or slur others, especially when you keep making the same assertions constantly and yet have never had the grace to understand that you might actually be mistaken in so many instances. If you're going to truly love and help others, you give yourself the grace to share your perspectives simply and without assertive accusations. It does not bless you or those you accuse when someone uses your own language on you, even if they say the same thing about speaking the "truth" regardless of whether your own ox is gored.

Cheers.

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It is easy to use verses to slur other people. . . way too easy. Take care of your own lies, then you can be in a better position to share truth.

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@mantraa,

Lol, let me wish you much more than luck. The highlighted part is what I would take if I were in your position - it is non-negotiable and you do not need to discuss it with any pastor (MHO). No pastor can take the place of God; and what He says is all there is to be concerned with. As you purpose in your heart (2 Cor. 9:7). QED. If what you give in church is cheerfully done and amounts to just £10 from your heart, then "it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. " (2 Cor. 8:12).

Blessings aplenty.

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Thanks for your replies to my post and all your various suggestions. I have learnt a lot that i didnt know before and will discuss them with my friend and our pastor when i see him on sunday. I consider myself an openminded christian and am willing to learn new things and interpretations of the bible. I have decided to use my own judgement in Gods eyes and go against my pastor's demands. I have been reading in other topics about pastors owning private jets and stuff, but my pastor is not like that. I will be giving as much as i feel i can but as i am also helping my sick mother back home, i will ask the pastor if i can reduce my monthly tithe to £100 per month, which is less than 10%, and send my mother an extra £100 pm instead. I hope he is understanding enough to accept my proposal, and will advise my friend to do the same.

I will also put to him the suggestion that christians shouldnt be giving compulsory tithes at all as it is not part of Christ's teachings,

Wish me luck :-)

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I enjoyed that, thanks. Just to add this from 2 Cor. 9:7 - "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

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Which "bible"? How can you be talking about "Bible" here when you know you have questioned is veracity? When it is convenient for you to haggle, you scream about the "bible" making something clear to you. I hear.

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@ poster,

ask your friend to read her Bible up on this matter as she is supposed to on ANY matter, irrespective of what her pastor says.

Specific to this is Matt. 22v21

"Then saith he (Jesus) unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and (then/thereafter) unto God the things that are God's."

Shalom

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NAWAO TITHE IS TAKING ANOTHER LIFE

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Pilgrim 1

pls do you speak in tongues?. . . . .

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Its 10% after tax has been paid to ceaser.

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Hallo again, KunleOshob.

I am often amazed at how you are at liberty to castigate others and yet are so unable to see your own mishaps. That is not the way to discuss a matter at all. For one, if others are preaching a matter and they did not dip their hands into your pocket to pay tithes, why not offer your own views without being so accusative?

Second, KunleOshob, you often carry this flawed mentality of 613 Mosaic laws as being repealed by the death of Christ. Mr Kunle, if that is so, please throw the Decalogue once and for all and stop being selective. It's either you mean what you are saying or you are not a serious fellow at all. Are loving God and loving neighbour not part of those 613 Laws you decry? Were they also repealed by Christ death as you claim for all those 613 Mosaic laws? How come you keep schlepping this same mentality that is so flawed and selective, and yet you are always at liberty to castigate others?

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Well since i am not a farmer and i don't produce from the land, i have no business paying tithes which was meant for the levites who are no longer in existence today. When tithes was mentioned in the bible, "produce of the land" was the catch phrase there and not proceeds or income as some pastors would like us to believe. Bibical tithes never had anything to do with income or money. The people of Israel were already earning income as far back as Genesis and money was also being freelly used. Money or income was never a tithable item. it was strictly agricultural produce. That aside tithing was one of the 613 mosaic laws which were repealed by the death of Christ our saviour. Is it not obvious there is a fraudulent intention on the part of preachers to smuggle tithes into christianity even when christ or the apostles never directed christians to tithe in the new testament.

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I think it is the duty of the pastor to preach and not to enforce. Your friend has done well by appreciating that tithe belong to God. You friend must not for whatever reason be upset with her pastor. God forgive her for that. God appreciate a cheerful giver. Tithe is 10% of earn income in whatever form it may be. If your friend bring in 1,600, ordinarily her tithe would be 10% of that amount. Tithe is a business between her and God. She should however look out if there is any traces of devourer on her finances after the payment, I think she should reconsider her pastor's view and make amend.

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Please let's endeavour to keep this discussion about your opinions on tithes before or after tax.

There are other threads that discuss whether or not we should tithe, extensively.

Thanks.

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Well it depends what d pastor is seeing n maybe d lord is d one talking to her thru. D pastor. But d problem is we see them as mere human or except he's a fake. As 4 me tithe paying has paid off.Cos as long as giving 4 d work of God. He'll be working 4 u. Cheers

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