«Home

Speaking In Tongues: Are People Getting It Right?

I have read the pentecost story in the book of Acts of the Apostles (chapter 2)and when i got to verse 4, I got confused because the bible said ", began to talk in other languages, ". To the best of my knowledge, i feel that this means that religious men from other parts of the world (Egypt,Asia, Judaea,Arabia e.e.c) that were present in Jerusalem as at then heard the disciples speaking their own various languages(verse 11). I have observed that when people speak in tongues nowadays, they tend to do it in a particular format/manner which i believe is not representing any language. From the passage, i can conclude that as an Igbo guy, when the spirit comes upon me, then i'd be speaking in zulu or some other language. Am i right?, I need your corrections o!

Avatar
Newbie
50 answers

some conclusions are mysterious

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Image123,

Kindly use short well spaced paragraphs while posting, it makes reading a lot easier.

Thanks

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Bobbyaf

who are you impressing with your study of greek and hebrew interlinears?Anyway,I'm not here to show scholarship.One of the problems that you seem to have is your over reliance on commentaries,dictionaries and so on.They sure have their place and I must say i have my fair share,but nothing tells us more about God than God Himself.Whether there is or there is no 'unknown' in that verse(s) what does that matter?The unknown put is correct and it is for better intepretation and understanding.I think the goal of intepretation is to make the message clear and to be true to the text.The 2goals work together,not in isolation.I told someone before,if you can do a better job of translation,go for it,lets see.At least,the manuscripts are available.Lets see your action instead of your complaints about inaccuracy.

Notice this 2verses.

1Corinth 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

1Corinth 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

v22 says its a sign,a proof,a miracle to unbelievers.v23 implies that unbelievers will look down on tongues.How?Because there are DIFFERENT types of tongues.Some are messages that directly convince unbelievers like it did in Acts2.Some are unconvincing without intepretation.Why?Is it because the tongues are fake or not from God?no,no,no.Its because they were spoken where they did not need to be,i.e In the church gathering.Thas what many do today.I'm not here to stand for them(whatever name you may call them charismatic,new age,pentecostaletc).I came here telling some people that tongues do not compulsorily have to be intepreted.If you have an intepretation,fine speak on.If you don't,speak to yourself.Thats Bible.The scripture doesn't say that anyone who can't intepret tongues is speaking fake.That's my point all along.That's why I said there're different types of tongues/languages.I sincerely do not think that it is french or any earthly language that the angels use in communicating with God.I believe humans can use angel's language to communicate with God.Its a manifestation of the Spirit,its not too high or unattainable or too hard.Its something that could happen.Paul said though I speak with tongues of angels.Like i said earlier,speaking in tongues is not always directed to man.It could be a prayer to God.You do not need to inteprete that to anyman.Understanding the Word of God doesn't have to be as hard as you connote.Its simple most times.Reading meanings into it will only confuse more than help.When Paul was speaking mysteries,he informed his audience,but otherwise,it was plain speech,simple words easy to be understood both by the learned and the unlearned,and understandable by both people who have small bible and big bible dictionary and concordance.Thats why i said His words are plain to even the passerby,they are plain to the church that he wrote to.Yes he sometimes spoke mysteries that required spiritual wisdom and insight but he usually indicated when he was showing a mystery.the verses we've looked at are no mysteries,they are plain and clear.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Davidylan

i wasn't looking for answers in that context.I was trying to help with the questions that were raised especially by infomizer and then SirJohn.

@Recognise

Don't mind David o.how/why/when would he remember?

0
Avatar
Newbie

@ttalks

I've been unavailable,sorry.I think/hope that i understand you better now.It seems you're talking more of our position in Christ.We all need to grow in understanding.there's a difference between our position in Christ and our christian experience.the experience is the growth part.we all grow.Of course,when we become born again,we are complete in Christ.We're seated in heavenly places already,all things belong to

us,the Spirit of God dwells in us,Christ is made our righteousness,our sanctification,our wisdom.Yes.That's our position.thats not where we should stop though.We need to grow in the experience of these things.Let me try to explain it this way.We know God to be omnipresent i.e everywhere.There's a greater sense of His presence when we give our lives to Him.He comes to live/abide in us.There's a greater sense of His presence when 2 or more believers are gathered together in His name.There's is different,greater sense of the presence when He probably appears to the individual like when He appeared to Paul in the book of Acts.Yes He was there,all along before you were saved beholding the good and the bad,He came when you got saved and so on.he says I'm with you alway but there still a far greater sense of His presence when he shall appear and so shall we ever be with God.Its the same thing with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.It is an immersion,an envelope of/by the Spirit of God for power and ministry.Its what Jesus spoke of in John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

He dwells with us already as believers and shall be.They had Him dwelling already in the present continous tense but He was still to come.Thats the way we know God,by growing.All things are yours already at salvation.As you grow you come to know God as king and Lord.It happens to some immediately,some it may be later they just come to realise that they not fully submitted to God before,and then they now consecrate/commit more.Some come to know Him as sanctifier,some come to know Him as healer and their sickness are taken away although in position,they were already healed in christ.Now they know it in

experience.Some come to know Him as supplier/provider.Some come to know Him as baptizer. Everyone may not grow at the same rate.Some can have it all in a day,some in a week,some years.Of course we grow faster if we're willing but some are actually forced to grow.I know when I gave my life to Christ and I know when God baptised me.They were different days and I knew something definitely happened to me.I've seen and heard and read of others that way too,People who were baptised at a different time from their salvation.I look into the scriptures and its the same thing.You can be saved and not be baptised in the Spirit.I'll show you 3examples where people received the baptism of the Holy Ghost after salvation in the Acts.Pls,I'm not saying that one cannot get baptised the same day that one is saved.I'm saying that they're different experiences in Christ.

1. Act 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.

Act 8:6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.

Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:Thats one

2. Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Thats another.

3. Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

These were all saved after pentecost.They received the Spirit baptism seperately.I've given you instances from the Bible,I've given from contemporary times.I hope for God to do what is best for us all.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@ttalk what happened to water baptism? Have you considered the case of Jesus?

0
Avatar
Newbie

Just thought I should add this:

Galatians 3:27-29

27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28. There in neither Jew nor Greek,neither bond nor free,there is neither male nor female:for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29. And if ye be Christ's,then are ye Abraham's seed,and heirs according to the promise.

The verses above show that one is Christ's by being baptized into him.We know it is when we have faith or believe in Christ that we are Christ's and become part of his body.So,the question is:how do we get baptized into Christ/become Christ's?Or what baptism makes us Christ's?

Answer:

1 Corinthians 12:13

13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,whether we be Jews or Gentiles,whether we be bond or free;and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

See the relationship between the verse immediately above and the preceeding ones?

We become Christ's by the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Conclusion on becoming Christ's:

The when: When we believe in Christ/the gospel of Christ.

The how: By the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The result: The inheritance of the promise of God to Abraham and his seed which is righteousness/salvation.

Three things tied into one single moment.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Interesting topic . . . i didnt even remember leaving a comment. I hope image123 got his answers.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Image123,

It seems ur conclusion or understanding that the Holy Ghost baptism is something that occurs differently from the being born again experience is derived from what happened with the apostles in Acts;the pentecost time.

There was a reason that such happened.The apostles believed in Jesus Christ even when he was still on earth,but there couldn't be a holy Spirit baptism for them and others who believed because Jesus was still with them and had not yet ascended to heaven/been glorified.This is shown in:

John 7:38-39

(38) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

(39) (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Having the Holy Spirit is the same thing as being baptized with the Holy Spirit.And this occurs when one is born again.

1 Corinthians 12:13

13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,whether we be Jews or gentiles,whether we be bond or free:and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Is it not when we become born again that we become part of the body of Christ?

The verse above states that it is through the baptism of the Holy Spirit that we become part of the body of Christ.

Put two and two together.

Galatians 3:2

(2) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The speaking of tongues and the cloves of fire that occured on the pentecost day were things that God allowed to happen for the purpose of establishing the gospel and the fact that salvation had come.The speaking of tongues are not a must sign for baptism of the Holy Spirit.Below is the explanation of what hapened on the day of pentecost and other subsequent days:

Hebrews 2:1-4

1 Therefore we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.

2 For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution,

3 how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard,

4 while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

As I said before,the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the same thing as when a person becomes born again.They are not two seperate events in a believers life.

Christ's purpose was to bring salvation unto man.John the baptist also said Christ's purpose was to baptize man with the Holy Spirit.

It simply means that salvation and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit are one and the same thing.

Acts 11:15-17

(15) And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

(16) Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

(17) Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Most people believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a seperate occurence from being born again.That is completely wrong.Salvation is brought about by the baptism of the Holy Spirit;and the baptism of the Holy Spirit is brought about by the belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, when a person believes in Christ,he is baptized by the Holy Spirit which brings about the salvation.

Again,i repeat,the manifestation of tongues on the day of pentecost were/are not 'must happen' signs of the baptism of the Holy Spirit; they were simply occurences ochestrated by God for the establishment of the gospel.

The gospel has been established already, so there is no need for the manifestation of tongues as sign of being baptised of the Holy Spirit.Any proper manifestation of tongues are according to God's will and not the whim or will of any man, and also not a sign of being baptised by the Spirit.

The popular belief about the tongues and the baptism of the Holy Spirit is brought about wrong teachings pushed forth by the pentecostals and some others.

Christ's ministry;which is to bring salvation to man,is the promise which God made to Abraham,and that is the promise of the spirit.That can be understood by reading the whole of Galatians 3.

So,based on these undeniable facts above,it is a simple case to put two and two together and know that the Eunuch in Acts 8 was definitely baptized with the Holy Spirit based on the simple fact that he believed in the Gospel of Christ.

0
Avatar
Newbie

some people have made good points here

0
Avatar
Newbie

@ttalks

see I appreciate and I enjoy your inputs,but please you're wrong on this.You said

Now I don't know if the eumuch of ethipia was baptised.The Bible doesn't say if he was or not.What is said is that he believed and was baptised in water.Acts 8 doesn't say if he got baptised in the Spirit.Please quote and embolden it if it said so.God dwells in every believer.whether it is the Father o,or the Son Jesus,or the Holy Ghost.The Spirit dwells/abides with every believer.But the baptism of the Holy Ghost is different.It is an enduement of POWER.Its lke a fullness of the Spirit.It is for ministry.It comes with power gifts.It is what the apostles got at pentecost,different from their salvation

0
Avatar
Newbie

@SirJohn

Are you mocking the Spirit,please don't.

@Bobbyaf

people who are convincing as angels are!That one na public intepretation.

maybe should just read through the whole book,or the whole new testament before we can understand .

1 Cor 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries

Even a passerby understands that grammar at a glance.It becomes twisted when you begin to add meanings that are not.Who says angel's language cannot be intepreted.Intepretation is for edification of people around.It comes because there's a message for them,not because the language spoken is easier to intepret or because there no human philologist available.Paul said it several times,how we tried to use plain speech to speak to this people.He wasn'tr writing mysteries or word puzzles.He tried to be as clear as he could.If you need scriptures on that,you can ask.

0
Avatar
Newbie

I will research this topic before replying.

Nice replys so far sha.

0
Avatar
Newbie

If it does, he just might have the rare and illusive gift of "interpretation of Tongues".

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Image123,

I said this:

and you said this:

The indication or implication of what u're saying is that for every person who becomes born again, he must break into tongues speaking.

My explanation above says this is not always the case.

Your assertion implies that if a person becomes born again and does not break into tongues at that time,it means he isn't born again.

That is wrong.

That is why I used the Eunuch experience to point out that fact.

I said when the Eunuch got born again,he was definitely baptised with the Holy Ghost.You higlighted the definitely;indicating ur doubt about that fact.

Based on that,I'll assume ur understanding is that the baptism of the Holy Ghost must be accompanied by tongues speaking.

Ur understanding then indicates that the Eunuch was not baptized with the Holy Ghost on getting born again.

But look at 1 Corinthians 12:13

1 Corinthians 12:13

13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,whether we be Jews or gentiles,whether we be bond or free:and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

When we become born again,we become part of the body of Christ.But how is this possible?

By the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

As we become born again/attain salvation through Christ/born of the Spirit, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit takes place.

This is very evident in:

Ephesians 1:13

13. In whom ye also trusted,after that ye have heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation:in whom also after ye believed,ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise

Remember,the ministry of Jesus Christ was/is the ministry of the Spirit; the whole issue about being born again is about being baptized of the Holy Spirit;being born of the Spirit.This can be understood from:

Matthew 3:11

11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

So you see,the Eunuch was definitely baptized with the Holy Spirit when he believed in the Gospel of Jesus Christ/got born again.And we can see that he did not break forth into tongues speaking when that occurred.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@kunleoshob

How do you expect a pastor to go establish church in a slum, he would end up feeding the congregation when he should be living fat off them. Its just a shame.

The early missionaries achieved a lot in Nigeria but the current crop of evangelicals are nothing but fraudsters masqurading as men of God.

I went to a school that was based on christian principles and i knew first hand how the older christian missionaries use to live. Right now prosperity is a yardstick for Godliness!!!

0
Avatar
Newbie

@papa

Since you falsely accuse me of quoting second Peter out of context i would repost it here with the two verses preceding it and the two verses after it so it can be understood in the proper context( which was clear from my previous post)

2 Peter 2:1-5:

The Danger of False Teachers

1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed. 4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell,[a] in gloomy pits of darkness,[b] where they are being held until the day of judgment. 5 And God did not spare the ancient world—except for Noah and the seven others in his family. Noah warned the world of God’s righteous judgment. So God protected Noah when he destroyed the world of ungodly people with a vast flood.

Evidently Paul was refering to false prophets and preahcers who use the gospel to make money, many of them abound in nigeria today and that fact is very glaring to us all.

on the thessalonian issue, i don't know why you were beating around the bush and trying to make up excuses, what that passage was simply saying is that preachers of the gospel should also work to earn a living and not be a burden to any one. No one is saying that money is not needed to spread the gospel, the problem is the over emphasis on money by certain groups of preachers who in most cases are not even spreading the gospel, rather they are spreading their churches to increase on the number of their worshippers hence an increased revenue for them. how many of these so called preachers go to villages and slums to preah? how come most of them want to carry the gospel back to U.S.A, England South Africa and other developed countries that got the gospel before us whilst even in out own back yard here the gsopel is yet to be well established in the hinterland and the core North of the country.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Bobbyaf

Very correct,friend

ttalks said

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Why is it impossible for man to speak to God in tongues of angels.Has man not eaten angels' food?.That verse says he is not speaking to men,not all tongues are for men.Not all tongues are for prohesy,some are prayer to God bringing personal edification.Why is that too hard to believe,its in that verse.Why will ttalk believe that what he emboldened in 1Corinth 13 are unbelievable,while the other actions are possible/believable.And then ttalks went further to say this

Is this true?you believe this?Well,I do not condemn you but this is wrong,you need to grow in knowledge.Like I said earlier,speaking in tongues is not the big deal.We could argue and teach and know all about it,its not near having the experience.We could know all the right things about it,but its never the same with the experience.If you had the experience,you will know.

0
Avatar
Newbie

off course not, those were just bunch of words or do they sound familiar to you?

0
Avatar
Newbie

After that comment, I don't need to respond much! Perfect sense @Image123!

I ask myself some questions, If you don't believe a certain pastor, what were you doing at his church when he said such a thing?! If you found on his ministry's publication, what were you looking for there? If a member of the church was telling you - if it's not that you cared to know, why did you pay attention?! Anyway sha. . .

I don't know them by name; they were over at a church I attended in Jos when they shared the experience, plus there was one of the people who they preached to who has some little education (whatsoever), so they couldn't have lied, because he was so thrilled he joined their ministry!

While you and many other nairalanders can experience such a thing when it wants or needs to happen, some of us make it happen when we want or need!

You see young man, some of us have practiced this part of God's word enough to make it happen when we want or need! And it's not only in the area of money! Even favor!

I'm presently out of the country for a while, and the money the Lord has embarrassed me with this month alone. . . I shouldn't even mention it on nairaland. . . and it's only the second month of the year.

I can only expect that it will increase as usual!

Like I was saying about favor: 2010 is coming and I don't know if you're aware that prime tickets for the world cup matches will cost a fortune to some. . . I am already guaranteed to be in South Africa at that time and can go to any game I want, for way way much less than the cost of the tickets for foreigners. . .so it's not only money! We can also call for favor whenever we need it! That's all I did here! Ha ha!

Like I said, my first experience was in 2005. It's 2009 now, that's how long it should take to get a degree in Nigeria, so if it were the same schooling system, I've almost graduated with a BA or so. . . Anyway, by June 2007, I pulled out from the Spirit, the equivalent of 94,500 naira - again - in foreign currency! 1800% increase in 2 years! That's got to be the Holy Ghost brother!

And before anyone bothers to ask why I've not become so rich you hear about me everywhere. . . The point of this ability from God's Spirit in us is not so we enrich ourselves to deluging, but rather so we could do big things for God:

God is fully aware that although the gospel is free, it is not cheap to take across the world!

0
Avatar
Newbie

This is classical traditional beliefs. In Yoruba religions she is called Aje daughter of Olokun. She is venerated traditionally by yoruba people and even has a day set aside for her, Monday, also known in yoruba as Ojo aje.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Bobbyaf and SirJohn

what would you not give to win an argument.You very well know that what ttalks said is wrong,but simply because I sat back,you backed it up.Are you saying that you agree with what ttalks said?I need re-confirmation on this.thank God Davidylan is not showing such support as yet.

n.b.Its difficult explaining things to people who don't have it.If you had it,it would have been easier

0
Avatar
Newbie

Chris Oyakhilome once told his flock that he usually gets unusual deposits in his bank account; he found out later that it was angels depositing the money in the said account. Not long after his tale, his members and pastors started claiming to experience the same thing. He even went further to tell them that money is a spirit, infact an ÁNGEL and that when you speak in tongues, you are sending the angel called money on an assignment

Classical brainwashing if you ask me

0
Avatar
Newbie

First of all @SirJohn you are such a hilarious and extraordinary fellow! You will certainly make excellent company for uplifting a friend when he's sad - I had a VERY [/b]good laugh on that one,

The tongues of men - where people speak in another language they don't understand, but is yet intelligible to people that speak that language - certainly manifests today. This couple had to preach in a Nigerian village where few if not no one, understood english - which happened to be the only other language they could speak. The wife got up and started preaching in english; it was evident the people couldn't understand. The husband was really not feeling it - so he decided to boldly go up and speak in tongues as though he was interpreting his wife in tongues. He just trusted that the Holy Spirit would if not through words, then through expressions, explain to the people. They had no idea what they were doing, but little did this couple know that the man had been speaking the native language fluently. People got saved at that meeting!

More commonly, from some of those meetings where you talk about "mongolian-speaking" pastors, I have heard - [b]LIVE - for myself - testimonies of real people I've met who heard the preacher talking about their situation, but we watch the video and again - just like you - we seem to hear mongolian! But that fellow already got blessed for the exact moment she was supposed to have received the word!

See the Holy Spirit has an inexplicable way He communicates individually to people. So, I'd rather say to people, tune in, than tune out - it just maybe your life's success secret in the next mongolian [/i]phrase!

I could very easily defend one pastor or the other, but I won't waste time on that, I'll just stick to the universal team of the Holy Spirit!

With the tongues of angels believe me, I am a LIVING WITNESS with COUNTLESS testimonies! It works! Many times like magic!

I like to think of it this way - using the way you like to call it: see, the same way the Holy Spirit can communicate to an [i]english-only-speaking person through the [i]mongolian [/i]the rest of us don't understand, is the same way he lets us communicate intelligibly with him through the [i]mongolian [/i]others (even ourselves) sometimes won't understand

MY FIRST EXPERIENCE:

I was at a church when the pastor gave a word of prophecy that angels (especially in the form of people we don't know) will come to us and offer to give us money for absolutely nothing. Not long after, his wife explained in another teaching that we can instruct the angels in tongues to speed up the occurence - THE TRUTH IS: You may not even know if or when you've given the instruction or not - but the Holy Spirit who loves you more than you can ever love yourself will put the accurate [i]mongolian [/i]words that mean exactly that - AT THE RIGHT TIME - in your mouth.

And this is why we are encouraged with every opportunity we have, to speak in tongues, you never know when the words buried in your spirit - at a particular moment - are for you!

Anyway, I did speak in tongues as much as possible that week - THE VERY NEXT SUNDAY - I was at a completely different church where people are against what the previous church believe - after church, some brother shows up (he's a deacon I learnt), and till today can't explain it. He walks up to me and put the equivalent of 5,250 naira in foreign currency in my hands and says ", 'THEY' said I should give you!" He still doesn't know who "they" are? I don't know who "they" are and no one can still explain otherwise who "they" are. 5250 naira in 2005!

This SAME - EXACT - incident took place MORE THAN ONCE!

THIS IS ONLY ONE! OUT OF MANY MANY MANY LIVE EXPERIENCES OF MINE!

See, God wants us to experience EVERY good thing His word has for us and more! I just believe what I find it in the word - because, it's not common that you receive what you don't believe - so I simply believe God and it works for me - you should try it sometime; I'd love to hear of how it works for you too!

Keep well my friend!

0
Avatar
Newbie

Watch Pastor Chris speaking in Mongolian here

0
Avatar
Newbie

@ttalks

good one, especially on the 'tongues of angels' coz this is where charismatics miss the whole stuff.

@Image123

ttalks has replied you on my behalf; I hope it is well understood?

0
Avatar
Newbie

@ ttalks

Very well explained my friend. The idea that an angelic tongue means that Christians are communicating with God directly and privately is absurd to the nth degree. It is so nonsensical and baseless that I cringe at the thought of the idea.

There has been only one gift of tongues, or languages, which was first manifested at Pentecost when the disciples were able to speak other languages while speaking Hebrew. The emphasis was on what the hearers heard as in the case of the diasporic Jews who had come to Jerusalem to celebrate the feast of the passover and Pentecost all at once.

Back then there was a language barrier that had to be broken if the gospel were to be fully effective, but the disciples had no time to learn all languages, and received the gift naturally.

0
Avatar
Newbie

hmmmmm.thanks for sharing

0
Avatar
Newbie

@image123

The tongues here(1 Corinthian 13:1) refer to both tongues of men and angels;not just tongues of angels.

The fact that it was mentioned that "no man understandeth him"(1 Corinthians 14:2) does not mean that the tongues could not be understood/interpreted by any man;that was limited to the immediate gathering where the tongues were being uttered.That was why Paul advised that it was better that we prophesy than speak in tongues that people in the immediate gathering would not understand which would not edify anyone but the speaker.

There is nothing like tongues of angels among men.If u read the whole of 1 Corinthians 13,u'll see that most of the things stated were said to buttress a point;it did not mean that those things could be done.For example:

1Co 13:1  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

1Co 13:2  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1Co 13:3  And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Paul mentioned speaking the tongues of angels but did not mean he coud speak it.

He mentioned understandng all mysteries and all knowledge but did not understand all mysteries and all knowledge.

He mentioned giving his body to be burned, but we know he never did this.

All those points were mentioned to buttress a point.

They were "What if" statements.

Look at the same portion in the CEV Bible:

1Co 13:1  What if I could speak all languages of humans and of angels? If I did not love others, I would be nothing more than a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

1Co 13:2  What if I could prophesy and understand all secrets and all knowledge? And what if I had faith that moved mountains? I would be nothing, unless I loved others.

1Co 13:3  What if I gave away all that I owned and let myself be burned alive? I would gain nothing, unless I loved others.

Being baptised with the Holy Spirit occurs when one is born again.But it is not automatic or a must that one must speak in tongues when baptised with the Holy Spirit.One can be baptised with the Holy Spirit and not speak in tongues.That is obvious in:

Act 8:35  Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Act 8:36  And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Act 8:37  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 8:38  And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Act 8:39  And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

The Eunuch became born again and definitely was baptized with the Holy Spirit before the water baptism took place.There is no record of him breaking into tongues.

I just said this because some people believe that it is a must for a born again person to break into tongues once he is baptised with the Holy Spirit.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@all

I have continually said that these tongues or languages as someone called it are all of the same Spirit.from the same God.Well then,since some have insisted that I produce bible,then i would.I just don't hope to get into unnecessary arguments.First I must say that most of the gifts of the Spirit are listed in the Bible,not explained but we can easily recognise them when we see them or at least know that this is similar or this is the fake of the real.U get.Now wen we are asking to hear our languages in tongue speaking,that would be difficult except maybe we're in the midst of strangers.Like for example,if someone was speaking in tongues in igbo language in lagos,its not likely to be a sign to many.Some could just imagine that maybe this person previously had a knowledge of the language.Tongues of men are for signs.And the gifts are a manifestation of the Spirit.In my little healthy church,you might nt see the manifestation of the gift of healing cos there's almost no need for it.Not because the Spirit of God is not around but because he gives what is needed.What He gives doesn't have to be called fake or wrong because its not what we expected.Because you're not hearing russian is probably because there's no need for it.It doesn't make it fake or new age.Like I said,it could be fake.In 1Corinthians 13,we see Paul talk about the tongues of men and of angels.The chapter is about Love greater than gifts so obviously,he is refring to the gift of tongues of men and of angels.

1Corinth 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

1Corinth 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1Corinth14v2's tongue is not understood by man but by God.Thats what i explained earlier as tongues of angels.

Come over to verse21 of 1corinthians14

1Corinth 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

1Corinth 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

This refers to an understandable kind of tongues,like the ones heard at Pentecost.Acts2v4

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

This above is the one that I said tongues of men,that was talked of in 1Corinthans13

Now on gift of tongues,I said earlier that it is different from the initial experience of speaking in tongues after the baptism of the Spirit.It is more frequent.It is a gift.Everybody that is baptised in the Spirit speaks with/in tongues at first but not all continue.

1Corinth 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1Corinth 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

1Corinth 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1Corinth 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.

AND

1Corinth 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

1Corinth 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

1Corinth 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

1Corinth 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Above all,do not abuse the gifts if you have them.Be clean and pure,thats what really counts in heaven.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Why are you all on the edge over nothing?someone asked a question and I try to help,and instead odf you to offer to help,all you do is find a reason to argue with me.why don't you understand my speech.If you have issues with people that speak in tongues,whether real or fake,then go meet them.

Informizer asked a question and the idea of his question and the answers he was getting was that tongues are meant to be some other human language.maybe italian,swahili,russian,pidgin or whatever.i only chipped in that it doesn't necessarily have to be other people's language and I said it could be in other forms.Here's my post quoted below

0
Avatar
Newbie

@SirJohn

you seem to be under some sort of bitterness and pride.You're carrying it over to me.you do not need to be bitter against me or anybody for that matter.Just let it go and live a life that pleases God.You're asserting things that you do not know.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Apply wisdom, @ poster, speaking in tongues shouldn't be formulated as decribed. It's been spoken according to d uterance from & in d Holyspirit. Speaking in tongues, is not another man's language BUT someone somewhere can understand part of those uterance. Lastly, ur speaking in tongues has to carry spiritual powers & strenght esp when be uttered. But i must say, many're getting it wrong.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@ Image 123

David will have to answer you on that, but as for me I do, but we were hoping to hear yours first for the definitions you gave the forum. We need for you to furnish some references to support your definitions.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Do unto others as you want them to do unto you,thats love.If you can help please answer the questions

0
Avatar
Newbie

@davidylan and bobbyaf

Do you have a biblical basis against this?Please,lets hear it if you do.

0
Avatar
Newbie

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-12604.0.html

0
Avatar
Newbie

the above are your own explanations. Do you have a biblical basis for this?

0
Avatar
Newbie

@SirJohn

tongues of men is the speaking in tongues in languages that other people can understand.You may not necessarily know what you're saying and it may be a one off thing.

tongues of angels is speaking in language that communicate direct with heaven.Its usually edifying the speaker and glorifying Christ.TThe people around do not understand it.

Groaning in Spirit is what it is basically.Groaning.Its usually an intercessory form of prayer i.e on behalf of others known/unknown.Its quite serious as it involves saving life/lives

gift of tongues is what it is.Gift.Its different from the initial experience of speaking in tongues after the baptism of the Spirit.It is more frequent

I hope this could help you a little.Please,as I said they are all manifestations of the Spirit,not some man made act.Some people over time see others manifest this gifts and end up copying them until they could actually be deludthinking they possess the manifestations.The best thing is to live a life that pleases God and to be surrendered to God the Spirit to use you to manifest the gifts,not the vice versa

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Image123

Kindly explain how these gifts you mentioned differ

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Infomizer

Actually in the scriptures,there's what is called tongues of men,then there's what is called tongues of angels.There's also what is called groaning in Spirit and there's what is called the gift of tongues.They are all of the same Spirit though varying manifestations.Of coursse,we are all aware that there are fakes and devil's remixes of ALL the gifts,that's why we should test every spirit and the usefulness of the display.Is it for edification and is it from God.Don't get carried away with gifts.Strive for purity.The devil can live with gifts and con people with gifts,but he go try with purity

0
Avatar
Newbie

Exactly! Tongue-speaking today isn't based on the teaching or practice of NT Christians. I am not quite sure how to explain it, and at the risk of seeming to graphic, I believe there is some other factor involved in the whole mechanism. If we are using the bible as a standard of truth and practice, then something is wrong.

I have been to quite a few Pentecostal meetings, and there is hardly a difference in format. As soon as the main service finishes, and the tarry service begins, hell breaks loose. Its nothing but confusion. Everyone is speaking in what is called tongues, and no regard is paid to scriptures, concerning the purpose of the gift.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@topic

4rm ma own understanding, i think speakin in tongues is nt necessarily sum nxt oda language. its a manner of speaking when the holyspirit comes upon a person and only sum1 filled wid da holyspirit or has the Gift of interpretations of tongues can translate wat da person actually sed. Ama hv 2 do more research on ds topic still n get bk if i can. . . .God bless

0
Avatar
Newbie

Guy i think say na only me dey see this thing oooooo, they now make it mandatory that one should speak in tongues wey i no dey here in one particular church name witheld.

Abeg helep me tell them say waiting dem dey yarn me no understand coz they are just making some one look like fool wen u are with them.

One luv man

0
Avatar
Newbie

Good question; When you speak in tongues, you are supposed to utter a lot of mambo jumbo which everyone around understands in there native language; but these days no one ever knows what is been said. Click here

0
Avatar
Newbie

I want to hear this one for myself, oya make una come explain,

0
Avatar
Newbie
Your answer
Add image

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.