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The Church of Jesus Christ: Object of Mockery or Object of Praise?

I have over the years watched the Church being mocked at, its ministers being slandered by the media, non-christains and christains alike and i have wondered if there are still those who can see the hand of God in and among His people doing His work of Building His Church and preparing her as a bride without spot or wrinkle for the  return of the master and groom, Jesus Christ.

I have however, come to the conclusion that whatever the case may be, if no one will praise the Lord for His wonderous works, and if all that men can see are the evil manipulations of the wicked, i will still voice His praise and declare His wondrous works. Rather than announce and magnify the works of the devil, i will sing of His goodness in the land of the living!

Psalms 96:3 - Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous works among all the peoples!   

I have seen that though they say Christians are divided, we are one afterall; washed in the same blood, born of one Spirit and with one baptism.

The differences in beliefs as well as interpretation of scripture are beginning to fade away as revelation and understanding of the message increases even as the Spirit of God breathes upon the hearts of men, giving them understanding.

There is now little or no difference between the Catholics, Anglicans, Baptists, Penticostals, Charismatics, Evangelicals etc. The Holy Spirit is falling upon each and every one of these groups in a new and Special way imparting spiritual gifts to many and causing the miraculous to abound even as there is greater recognition of the authority of the Word as contained in the Bible.

I read in the papers recently where an Anglican minister was interviewed after a recent convention of the Church. He described with amazement how many recieved the Holy Spirit and spoke with other tongues. In his own words,"I thought this was only for the penticostals." There were also testimonies of salvation and healings and miracles.

I also watched some time ago during a crusade with Dr. Benny Hinn in the United States, as hundreds of catholic revernd sisters and reverend fathers attended, lifting up Holy hands in worship as they recieved of the precious annointing of the blessed Holy Spirit of God.

This is in fulfilment of the Prophecy of Joel:

Joel 2:28 - "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions "

The Lord is doing a quick work in our day and think this is worthy of praise!!

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Donnie,

I was just going by the research that others had wrote on this forum, that Allah was the Muslim name for God as Yahshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus.

Sorry if I do not understand the concept as of yet, I am still learning.

Should I maybe just say our Creator from now on?

Thanks,

RhodaRose

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Every man is made in the imgae of God and not 'God/Alah'. For God Almighty and Alah are not one and the same. You can do a research on that for yourself and find out.

However your explanation of those killings as the work of the evil one and not God is well appreciated by me.

Thank you.

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EVERY man is made in the image of God/Allah and if you kill but one you are not in His good graces, no matter what reason you believe you had the right to "get rid' of one of His. Only God/Allah has the right to call His Home in His time...

No one who thinks they are killing for Him are in their "right mind" but the evil one is in control of them...no killing is Right in the Eyes of our Creator

RhodaRose

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@Ajisafe : "The Muslims have been promised in the Qur'an that God will make Islam overcome all other religions. That's why you don't see them running around like the Jehovah's Witnesses who go from one house to another, and some "born again" preachers who scream inside buses or "molue" disturbing other people's peace and quiet. And this is because God is the Lord and the Omnipotent over all things."

...be careful... I'm sure you may not be able to muster the time and courage to face the issues that you are raising.

1. After the promise to muslims as stated by you.... they now try to help their god by bombing and killing so that they will enter thier self made heaven... abi? Therefore, it is either the promise cannot be their god or it was never made.

2. who disturbs more... the people that wake us up early in the morning with call for prayers ... or those who shout during the day.

3. if muslims were so sure of their faith... how come they do not allow others to preach or practice their religion where-ever they are the majority. It is the most obvious mark of insecurity when a person or group of persons refuse to hear alternative views or allow debate. It is bondage and nothing less.

4. Those who kill men and women because they have converted... declare to the world, by their action, that they are secretly doing something underneath which they would not want others to know through the conversion of their former members. Only evil cults do such.

Every sword has adouble edge.... be careful

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about paul the bible said he is defending the faith he once persecuted and that is my prayer for us all. may God bless you all and make His light to flood our mind and understanding that we may see the glory of the life that is only available in Christ.

Jesus is always Lord and lover of all man kind

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I do not totally agree...

The disciples graduated from servants to friends before His death and resurrection. But after his resurrection, we were called brothers because we recieved of His very life. Eternal life(ZOE). This is the God-Life. The life that is in the father.

Passage 1 John 4:17:

"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world."

It may not yet look on the outside that we are like him but when He shall appear we shall be like Him for we shall see him as He is!

We are God's offspring. Even though many of us are still maturing into sonship.

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Well said. No better time for Soldiers of the CROSS to Stand Up!!!

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I tend to agree that these are the last days. Criticisms from outsiders are not what we should fear but those who say they know Jesus but do not understand mere simple facts. How can a believer of Jesus not believe in the second coming or even in been called a christian? It really is sad. I've read alot of postings that cause heartache becos i tell u its is sad when pple actually are bold enough to challenge God. I tell u , it is total ignorance. No wonder God said "my pple perish for lack of knowledge"

I've come to realise that u may know the bible or been able to interprete, but that still does not make u a christian. Anyways its good when i see christians stand up for Jesus despite all the insults. But i pray that one day those that are foes will also come to share our views. Amen

Take kare y'all

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Donnie,

If you have read any of my posted in other threads you know why I do not call myself a christian

Does it?

Our similarity and union with Jesus in God's eyes is to be Sons as Jesus is.

We are friends and brothers of Jesus

Joh 15:14

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Joh 15:15

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you[b] friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.[/b]

Pr 18:24

A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly:

and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.

RhodaRose

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Even if you are looking for faults in the church, please dont start from the name 'christian' because that carries little or no weight at all.

By the way, i did not say the Holy Spirit is the origin of the name ....i said He is the origin of the phenomenon. Please read my fromer posting carefully. Besides, i do not think that is a bad name afterall. Since it only tells of our similarity and union with the master -Jesus

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Hi Donnie,

You said a mouth full here:

Lets hope it is also an ear full...

Mt 23:8

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

So true.  He was showing the old covenant people it could be done, the qualifing and how to move on to the new covenant...the Kingdom of God...and they did not understand and most in the new covenant times do not understand.

Jesus only said:

Joh 13:35

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Joh 15:8

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Joh 15:14-15

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Please quit calling His'  "names" that Jesus did not mention. 

Followers of Jesus are either

                    disciples (learners) 

                                       

                                  friends (knowing all) 

    and if they use what they know 

                                  Sons of God (trusted of God)

...or would you rather be Paul's christian and never enter His Kingdom ?

Truth in Red

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Rhoda,

You asked: "Where in this verse does it say Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, named His Church christian or even was the originator of christainity?"

It is true that Jesus never called His disciples Christains. They were first called that name in Antioch by unbelievers who observed thet they were just like their master.

When Jesus was alive he operated under the old covenant. And most of what He taught, he taught to people who were under the old covenant. And whenever He spoke to them concerning the new testament, the kingdom of God, they did not understand Him.

JOHN 16:12-13

12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Until the Holy Spirit came, it was impossible to be born again. There could be no new creation before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. He is the one that baptises a person into the body of christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (Whole Chapter)

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. "

That is why Jesus said:

Acts 1:5 (Whole Chapter)

"For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. "

This is the new birth...this is the Born-again experience. This is only by the Holy spirit. So before penticost, before the Holy Ghost was sent, there was no christianity. So the Holy Spirit may not have coined the name 'Christian', but He sure is the origin of the Phenomenon called 'Christianiaty'.

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Read through and picked out here and there from all posts:

Mt 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mr 10:25

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle (this is a gate), than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Camel's store many, many gallons of "water" from the "world" and being full of the "world's water" they are to "full" to get through this narrow gate.  Same as a rich man storing the "riches of the world" (what he knows and professes from what he has heard from men) and if he does not lay this down and become as a babe, empty, hungry and Teachable, he will not be able to enter the gate that leads to the Kingdom.

Ge 3:22-24

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Yes, I am sure there are many that are "turned" in the right direction to "see" this

Isa 30:20-21

And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers

And thine ears shall hear a word BEHIND thee, saying, THIS is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left

"as revelation and understanding of the message increases even as the Spirit of God breathes upon the hearts of men, giving them understanding"

"The Holy Spirit is falling upon each and every one of these groups in a new and Special way imparting spiritual gifts to many and causing the miraculous to abound even as there is greater recognition of the authority of the Word as contained in the Bible"

as revelation and understanding of the message increases ... causing the miraculous to abound even as there is greater recognition of the authority of the Word as contained in the Bible...

saying:

Come out of her my people.......

HalleluYAH and all Glory and Honor to the Father , God and Creator of All

How in the world are you reading that?  I guess I just answered my own question "in the world" and not in the Spirit.

Paul says that[b] his gospel [/b] is hidden to those who[b] are [/b] lost .... those who are not "lost" can see through him because of the Holy Spirit's Teaching of Truth

De 13:1-5

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

but now for the rest of the story...

Ac 4:16-20

Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.

But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.

And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

and

Ac 15:7-9

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us;

And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

My Bible says:

Ac 11:25-28

Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul

And when he had found him, he brought[b] him [/b] unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch  (Paul's gospel and Paul's church)

And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.

And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.

Dearth

a scarcity of provisions (1Ki 17:1-24). There were frequent dearths in Palestine. In the days of Abram there was a "famine in the land" (Ge 12:10), so also in the days of Jacob (Ge 47:4,13). We read also of dearths in the time of the judges (Ru 1:1), and of the kings (2Sa 21:1; 1Ki 18:2; 2Ki 4:38; 8:1). 

(OT shadows/examples of flesh to Spiritual meanings to come in the NT)

In New Testament times there was an extensive ( Spiritual) famine (dearth)in Palestine (Ac 11:28) in the fourth year of the reign of the emperor Claudius (A.D. 44 and 45).

Am 8:10-13

And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that[b] I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:[/b]

And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

("to and fro"...?  Da 12:4  [color=#770077]But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased....  Huh?  WOW!!!)

In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.[/color]

Joh 4:13-15

Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

Joh 6:33-35

For the[b] bread of God [/b] is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst

Mt 6:33

...seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you[color=#990000][/color].

Amen and God Bless,

RhodaRose

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The Holy spirit and not Paul was the originator of christianity. Christianity actually began on the day of pentecost. You cannot posses knowledge of truth without the Holy Spirit of truth.

John 16:13 

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."

So you have nothing of spriritual  significance to impart without the Holy Spirit in your life as your teacher.

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Is it called Paultianity or Christianity. Mr brother your research isnt complete. Go back and study more.

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What about in Paul? Wasn't Saul/Paul the originator of Christianity? Tell us what we don't know.

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The truth my friend is not always bitter, it makes men free and causes the heart to rejoice. The truth is the gospel of Christ!

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Yeah, I've heard that before. The truth is always bitter!

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Layi, I don't need to study more; I possess the knowledge already. I shall impart the knowledge to you very soon.

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He has given to those that believe Eternal life here on earth and after we leave this world. Those who believe recieve that life. We are not mere mortals.

And by the way...i do not have time to spend arguing with those who are hell bent on rejecting the salvation of God and causing others to do the same thereby leaving themselves and their hearers under the condemnation of sin.

Thank you.

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"...The kingdom of God suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force"

How could that happen after you and others claimed that he came and died for the world's sins and inequities? I thought you said he (Jesus) was "god"? Why would he (Jesus) need you mere mortals to salvage his kingdom for him?

The Muslims have been promised in the Qur'an that God will make Islam overcome all other religions. That's why you don't see them running around like the Jehovah's Witnesses who go from one house to another, and some "born again" preachers who scream inside buses or "molue" disturbing other people's peace and quiet. And this is because God is the Lord and the Omnipotent over all things.

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"...The kingdom of God suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force"

"Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations..."

...that is what it means to claim or take the world for Jesus. Preach the Word, Demonstrate His power, show forth His glory and win the world.

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let's go out there and let our light shine for that is the only way we going to win this world to Him who love us so much.

If Jesus owns the world as you have severally claimed, why do you need to claim it for him, again? No argument, please, just explain yourself.

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we pray for the church to move on knowing the gates of hell cannot prevail against her. church history shows that the church do better under persecution.

having said that though we have to know that most unbelievers are not necesarily criticising Christ but the failing of men/women folowing.

let's go out there and let our light shine for that is the only way we going to win this world to Him who love us so much.

the world is waiting for our manifestation.

Jesus is Lord

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It is also very important to know that we are at the last days like it or not. and the Bible says all sorts os things will be happening, false prophets, people standing against the church, but most important is to fight for self salvation as Layi rightly puts it. The Bible says (Ten thousand will fall to your right and another ten thousand on your left and you shall stand still):- just a paraphrase.

You all be blessed

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You spoke well.

I am aware of that fact Layi. You know an outsider cannot trouble the church. It takes an insider to do so. That is why anyone who wants to cause trouble will have to pretend to be Christain and to know God. These are more dangerous than those who are frankly non-christain. But i have actually calmed down you know.

I also say 'AMEN' to your prayer.

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Definitely an object of praise but the criticisms and slandering comes only from those who have not tasted from heaven.

Scripture says;

2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:   

In as much as i appreciate your write up Donnie..u hav to be aware that the world isnt christian. Of course some will believe and some wont. I don't expect to talk about Jesus and evryone hail him. Its supposed to be the ideal but not practical. While he was on earth he was beefed. How much more we his representatives- the church.

But what i know is that God has a way of turning evil darts aimed at the church into stepping stones for her. As they keep talking against the church, she keeps growing because its fame and some people wit inquisitive minds would delve in to know whatz up.

My prayer is that people would not depend too much on self-salvation. Man does not know his beginnin and thus man is fallible. We need the supernatural in our lives. Some1 created us and we can't Really live outside HIM.

The world is searchin for the word (answers to life's problem). May they find it speedily. AMEN

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