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The Qur'an And The Hadith - Which One?

Anyone reading the Quran in order to understand Islam will surely come away with loads of questions.

Can Muslims understand the message of the Quran without the Hadiths?

Why do some Muslims believe in the Hadiths and others reject them?

Can all of the doctrines and beliefs of Islam be found in the Quran alone; or is it true that some have made up most Islamic beliefs from outside the Quran?

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So, which is it -

the Qur'an alone;

or the Hadith plus the Qur'an?

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@babs787,

Here: I was referring to this --

That is what caught my interest, and that was what I based my remarks on earlier before your resumption.

Perhaps, he would do that in due course. But then, are you denying the fact that Muslims both preach and practice a lot of issues that we cannot read in the Qur'an or Hadiths? At least, I haven't read all of the Hadiths; but I've seen things which none of my Muslim friends have been able to point a verse in the Qur'an for.

We Christians also have a name for what is not in the Bible: heresy.

Of course, when it comes down to bare facts, we Christians recognize that there are so many things that some Christians hold and practise outside the Bible. However, I don't see how that calls for a quarrel or complaint against what Telly B has said. On both sides, we find divergent views and practices outside holy writs.

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@Barikade

This is one of his quotes:

Brother in all honesty, one should think twice before posting anything particularly when it comes to religion. He said that there are many practices which are not in the Quran nor the Hadith, I will want him to serve those things and he shouldn't forget that there are some issues practised by some christians today which are not in anyway in the bible and will be served him after he might have served those he felt muslims do that are not in the Quran/Hadith. He should also know that anything outside the Quran/Hadith is regarded as Bidiah.

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@babs787,

What do you have to fault in Telly B's post that you quoted?

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@Telly B

Meaning?

You amuse me a lot. Have you pondered on some things practised by christians which are in no way in the bible?

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@topic,

Actually, it is not as simplistic an issue between the Qur'an and the aHadith. There are FOUR sources of Islamic doctrine and social views, known as the fundamental principles (usul):

(a) Qur'an - the word of Allah

(b) Sunnah - the traditions and sayings of Muhammad

(c) ijma - the consensus

(d) ijtihad - individual thoughts

A lot of people may known about the Qur'an and Hadith/Sunnah. However, not many are aware about the ijma. Introduced in the 2nd century AH (i.e., the 8th century AD), the doctrine of ijma cannot be questioned once a "concensus" has been reached. The crucial thing here is that accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and the actual contents of the Sunnah (Hadith) all rest finally on the ijma. Of course, this does not mean that the ijma has any authority at par with the Qur'an. Rather, it simply upholds the interpretations of the Qur'an in their finality.

So, here it is not merely a question between the Qur'an and Hadith; but the other sources must be included in the fundamental principle (usul)as sources of Islamic doctrine and social views.

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@viee

Never mind.

@pilgrims and stimulus

Let me have your questions outlined but dont forget that after that, we will look into

1. OT vs. Moses

2.Gospel vs. Jesus

3. God of the OT vs. God of the NT.

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@viee,

I feel you; but then, the debate must continue. Not for the reasons you stated; for indeed, no one welcomes a debate with the goal of being saucy to the cherished beliefs of others. I think pilgrim.1 has a good disposition as far as her posts are concerned; and beyond the internet, no one knows how ANY ONE of us lives his or her life.

Besides, if debates (in context of apologetics) like these are never engaged, some of us would never have come to learn about the things we have. For instance, na one babe wey I dey pursue 'that time' that got me thinking about the state of my soul. Okay, she's married now; and I lost the relationship; but even as an unbel in the midst of a largely Muslim family, it is amazing how Christ touched my heart and turned my life around for good.

When family members became upset upon my conversion, I was helpless in providing them with issues from their own books as to why Muhammad CANNOT be a prophet of God. Only by learning from the debates and articles of others on the internet have I come to understand more; and have used most of what I learnt to both challenge my older sibblings - two of whom are now very busy Christian ministers, besides their professional occupation.

I would rather pilgrim.1 helps us with her inputs on this subject; because most Muslims will tell you that the qur'an ALONE is the spine of their religion; and from that default position, they attack the Bible as an INCOMPLETE book. Besides and between me and you, I'm sure a lot of readers will come to learn so very much from the entries posted on the threads - provided we try and do so in an objective manner (1 Pet. 3:15).

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really Pilgrim, i think this religious debate is enough!

we should be looking at how we can show love and foster unity irrespective of our religion

i believe that the best way to win over converts is through your actions and not through irrelevant and unconstructive argument

we will only end up putting ourselves on the egde and every question will be seen as an insult

it is really not necessary!

im a christian and i love being a chritian, everday i thank God that i am a christian!

if for any reason i want to convert someone, i wont go into arguments with that person rather i will let my actions be an opener.

dont know about you but whenever someone question my faith, i get defensive and it never end up with good result.

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@stimulus

I beg put it in Arabic for Mallam babs787 to understand.

Pls ride on.

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@pilgrims

Thanks for the post.

The door is wide opened.

After that, we will look into

1. OT vs. Moses

2.Gospel vs. Jesus

3. God of the OT vs. God of the NT.

I am with you, let me have your question(s)

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I hope my query hasn't proven too much for my Muslims friends?

So, which is it -

                   the Qur'an alone;

                   or the Hadith plus the Qur'an?

In the near future, I would like to show why the Quran cannot survive without the Hadith; and why anyone denying the Hadith (any part of the ahadith) is only being pretentious.

From there, we shall be seeing matters arising from the ahadith that Muslims have been too much in a hurry to discard.

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@babs787,

Here are some more, please. Thanks.

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