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The World Would Be A Better Place Without Muslims?

Hey lads, let me point out here that no one has monopoly of violence, anyone has the right to read whatever he or she has to read, the POPE was only reading a text published by an educated and enlightened person about how inhuman and wicked the principles of the "so called religion of peace; islam "is and i am happy he has not retracted his statement, he only came out to say he is sorry for people who misunderstood him and not that he is sorry for reading what he read.

Its so baffling when you see people with animalistic tendencies in the midst of normal people.

I have read what some people who are even country leaders saying absolute rubbish and saying the Pope is not supposed to read a text published sometime ago, i mean does any one have to determine what an adult is supooused to read and not read ? whats this world turning to ? Some even went to say that their fellow illiterates and babarins should kill anyone who doesnt want to be part of the 'Great animal kingdom".

So i want to tell this especially to the ignorant and illiterate muslims who make up a large part of that religion that no one has monopoly of violence and that Christians worldwide are not pertubed of the so-called 'jihad' and the vane comments made by this illiterate muslims.

Even if some christians may not be willing to fight physically, they can fight spiritually and that is powerful enough to prompt God to wipe off these "beasts" among men if it pleases so please God to do so.

But then there are trillions of christians and none christians worlwide who are ready to defend fellow christians and attack anyone who feels powerful enough to fight against the children of God and i am one of them.

So if these illiterate and ignorant muslims are ready to launch the offensive, then let them begin and not run away from the consequencies!

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Yeah, let we christians get organised and , "Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord against the sun.”Numbers 25:4 and

when we are done organized and start tracing these mofos ", They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child (pregnant) shall be ripped up!" Hosea 13:16

yeah ! Yeah!! the fight against misguided Islam is about to get intense “Wail, for the day of the LORD is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty.” “Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished. Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children.” (Isaiah 13),

Got it?

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Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women, " (Ezekiel 9:6)

2 Kings 2:23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"

2 Kings 2:24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD . Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Hosea 13:16 - The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords."

“Wail, for the day of the LORD is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty.” “Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished. Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children.” (Isaiah 13). Now show me a place in the Holy Quran that preaches violence? Now the world would be better place without xtians based on the above verses.

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The sooner you realize that if humans don't fight over religion, they're going to fight over something else then this topic will die a quick death because it is very unnecessary.

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The Issue is not Muslims The Issue Is The Al Quran The Hadith. The Hate Comes from the Quran and Hadith. The Hatred against Muslims cannot solve the problems you must know that Fanatics are in everywhere in most religions. But the true Muslim is a tree of Hate.

We cannot win ny hate.

Our brothers die in the north because of a books of Islam even they die we should not propagate the Evils that we seek to stop. We must be ready to die for peace by all peaceful means We must Emulate Goodness and remember Holiness without which no man shall see the lord.

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Eazyman, welcome on board. i guess its now fight for all

but on a second thought i think you are a very funnyman. nice joke

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My brother, its realy unfortunate to see this things happen to innocent people just because they dont subscribe to a certain religion but we cannot just fold our hands and continue talking, we should all rise-up and put a stop to this, its because of the non-violent nature of christians that has made the muslms resort to violence and killings, be if we all can tell them that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TO THIS poo, then they will retreat and have a rethink.

Please tell everyone you can to join this crusade against "satanic ideas"

If you know you arent brave enough to physically fight and put a stop to this abnormaly then pray for the succes of those who can and at the end of the day, God willing, the devil will be defeated.

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Even in nigeria too, muslims in the south east and south south are respected and well protected. They are allowed to build mosques in any part of the town they wish, and they are allowed to practice their religion without anyone molesting them. But in the north the reverse is the case. In some northern states they tell christians the maximum number of churches that will be allowed in the state. There are some areas in which it is prohibited and forbidden for a church to be built. In ZARIA for example, no single church exists in ZARIA CITY which is part of the town with christians living there o! The moslems in ZARIA consider that part of the town as sacred to muslims and islam. Tell me one town in the south that muslims don't have mosque in nigeria?? Secondly christians go to worship with fear. Sometimes they worship with armed soldiers and police guarding them. Infact it's really stressful to be a christian and reside in the north.

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Ishmael I agree.

We can argue all we want but unless you are a minority Christian living amongst Muslims you have no clue.

Ask the Iranian and Egyptian Christians what they go through daily especially in small towns.

The minority Muslims in the USA and Britain are heavily protected by the law.

In shariah these Christians are 3rd class citizens.Second class citizens are the Muslim women and girls.

Islam is evil!!.

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Those condemning Eazyman should come and live in kano, Jigawa or any part of the core north for just one week. I can bet with you that you will be sleeping with your 2 eyes open and your senses still functioning 100%; except if you 're living in a military barracks.

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My only point I am making again is that the horrible things happening (lets accept what easy says verbatim).

There is nothing new under the sin. (bible verse)

We saw the exact same things amonst christians.

People walking around then might have been the same amouint of correct when they called for the end of christin rule.

And they killed 10's of millions to accomplish the end of christian rule and bring in secular rule.

Muslims bad? Maybe so.

But new and strange an unworthy of life?

Same must be for christians at different time periods.

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is the world yours to decide who stays and who leaves?

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I'm quite happy that at least there are some people left on planet earth who can still think straight and reason wisely, my prayer is that; may they be granted with more wisdom and the courage to protect their fellow humans from the attacks of muslims in Nigeria and the world at large. I'm quite happy to see people like; TayoD, Ishmael, Babyosisi, etc come out to condem this malady being inflicted on the human race.

I mean it really pains me to hear what some people say here, i have nothing to say to them than to wish their blind eyes and hearts were open in ordet to make them wake up from their slumber.

My fellow Nigerians and non-nigerians with conscience i think its high time we say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TO THE KILLINGS OF NON-MUSLIMS BY MUSLIMS IN NIGERIA AND BEYOND. We should be ready to defend and uphold what is right and not just sitting down to see people being hacked to death by "satanic elements".

Normally this world would have been a better place if each and everyone allowed for the existence and survival of each other irrespective of religion, race or gender but when segregation and attacks take place by a violent group of people towards others then the attacks must be resisted and the group dealt with accordingly!

From the facts and history of violence by muslims towards non-muslims in Nigeria and the world at large, e.g visit; http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004588.htm as provided by Babyosisi which has been made available only to those who can SEE AND NOT THOSE WHO CANT SEE , it is evidently clear to those who can SEE that muslims both in Nigeria and the world at large are intolerant of other people's beliefs and survival and would stop at nothing but to wipe out those who are opposed to thier views as its been done in the past and is presently being done, hence came this title that; THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT MUSLIMS.

I therefore have this to say to christians and non-christians who can SEE, the they should be more courageous and stop at nothing but to defend and fight-off further attacks by muslims on non-muslims at wherever they find themselves, this can be achieved through prayers and physical confrontations. Those who cannot defend their fellow humans physically from attacks of muslims should pray for the success of the brave ones willing to do so, in doing this, the world would be a better place to live in.

REMEMBER FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If the muslim man has to ride a seperate bus from a woman even though the woman is hooded to prevent him from impure thoughts, lusting and Molesting her,isn't it time they realised their teachings cannot cleanse anyone.

Only Christ has the power to change the wicked heart of man.

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@Ismael: I am not an anti-christ. Far from it. Anti-christ has one eye, but I have two. I would not want to be alive when anti-christ comes.

I sympathise with you and those who are suffering in the North and anywhere else. I do believe that the leadership of these Islamic states in Nigeria and the federal government of Nigeria should be protecting their citizenries; Muslims or christians and others.

I have read and studied Muhammad (AS) from his seerah and the hadith and what non muslims have said about him. I never saw the bloodletting that the people on this site talk about him.

It is my humble opinion that the Sharia of nigeria is not a true sharia. The women in madina who were not muslims were not forced to wear the veil. However they were not Unclad or overtly provocative in their mode of dresses. I also believe that the muslims should be examplary models of good virtue, in their day to day living. This is a good way to show your quality and people might tend to emulate you.

I wish there is anything that I can do. At the same time I can not let TayoD getaway with inaccurate information about my beloved prophet Muhammad (AS).

Sharia is not compulsory on non muslim. I will not force any non muslim if I were in power. However, I will advocate moderation in every part everyday living. For example, I may advice that people should not drink in the public and sale of alcohol may be restricted, but I can not tell anyone who is not a muslim not to think.

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Eazyman i dey with you oo.

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scroll down for a sampled chronology of Muslims attacking Christians in Nigeria.

more than 10,000 killed since 1999 alone and countless churches,homes and businesses burnt.

These are not isolated cases as some characters would have us believe.

Any Christian in zamfara or any part of Northern Nigeria that does not own a rifle needs to sell his TV and buy one for self defence.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004588.htm

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The mindset we are dealing with.

But the Rev. Seth Saleh, a priest of the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), said Hisbah have prohibited Christian women from traveling even with their husbands in Zamfara state.

"If you are a Christian in Gusau and you do not have a car, it is impossible for you to move with your family," he says. "You cannot travel or move together with your wife in the same car. So your wife has to trek to wherever she is going."

The Rev. James Obi, pastor of Channel of Blessings Church, Gusau, said Hisbah activities have been humiliating to the church in Zamfara.

"The government has always told us that this is an Islamic state, and they will enforce the tenets of Islam on all who live in the state, and if we don't like it we can go to hell," Obi said. "So, unless the Nigerian government acts to protect us, we have nothing to do - we are hopeless

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This is a little of the Nigeria we now know.

Judge San Abdullahi Tofa, of the Sharia Commission on Kano, said “Sharia is superior because Sharia is guided by a divine constitution, which is the holy Koran, so the holy Koran is superior to the Nigerian constitution."

Abel Gobum, a pastor in Yelwa, pointed at one of those mass graves. He said “they were slaughtered inside the church, This is where the children, because some of the children were in the church too when they were slaughtered, they are also buried here. This is their own sight.” Gobum added that there were about 20 children killed.

They were all praying in the church when the militants attacked that summer morning. According to eyewitnesses, the Muslim men ordered the Christians to lie face down on the floor and then started to hack them to death with swords and machetes. The pastor of the church was also murdered.

For years, the violence in Nigeria has been one-sided: Muslims against Christians. This time, however, the Christians in Yelwa decided to respond by attacking and killing hundreds of Muslims.

Saido Dogo of the Christian Association of Nigeria, said “the Christians have been at the receiving end but it is reaching a stage that the Christians are saying enough is enough we have no other nation but Nigeria.”

More than one thousand people were killed in Yelwa and 200 thousand others left homeless. Dozens of churches and mosques were destroyed. Some of those who fled Yelwa have began returning only to find misery awaiting them.

One Christian survivor, Steve Bulong said that he “lost everything. They destroyed my crops, burned down my house. I feel very angry about what happened. Look around you, this is what I have left-- absolutely nothing.”

Others are still too scared to return. So for now, camps like this one, on the outskirts of Yelwa, are home to thousands of displaced Muslims and Christians.

More than 10,000 have died in religious violence since Sharia law was first introduced in 1999.

Shortly after the attacks by Al Sunna Wal Jamma, Nigerian troops quickly moved in and crushed the uprising in the northeast. Several of the group's members were killed and dozens more arrested.

But Nigerian authorities here fear a large network of its terror cells may still be operating in the region and elsewhere - making the possibility of Nigeria emerging as the next Afghanistan and a haven for the future generation of terrorists very real.

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having read through all the postings here I would say that we need to pay close attention to what easyman and Ishmael have to say.

It is easy for me in the comfort of my home in faraway USA to say all the peaceful things possible afterall any muslim coming to slaughter me will not go free.

These 2 live in Nigeria,in northern Sharia Nigeria where Muslims are prone to violence at the sneezing of the name Mohammed!!!,where churches are burnt sometimes along with the humans in them,Christian students are attacked and slaughtered for praying in a chapel,shariah is imposed on Christians,pastors are beheaded for blaspheming Mohammed,Christian girls even in high school are assaulted and sometimes killed for not 'hooding up' shariah style.

Before you condemn someone,try walking in their shoes.

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Dear Ismael and Eazyman:

Take it easy, we are not condeming you as you think. What, we are saying here (christians, I believe), we totally understand your emotions and anger; everybody has the right to live anywhere in our secular country called Nigeria. I equally agree abd believe that christian citizens living in the northen part of Nigeria have every right to arm themselves and defend (emphasis on DEFEND) their properties and lives should in case they are attacked since the state governments almost always fail to do this, maybe deliberately,

However, we are looking at the principle of the statement that "the world would be a better place without muslims". That is not correct; it is a product of an emotional outburst; and believe me most statements or thinkiing done with the emotions are usually wrong 99% of times from experience. Because emotions cloud judgement and thinking ability. However, the anger and frustrations you are expressing is becoming rather widespread in our coutry now; and we need to pray that the central goernment do something before our dear country erupts into a bloody religious civil war, God Almight forbid!!!

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TayoD, may God bless you for saying the truth and putting the devil behind you. I have since sensed it that Olabowale is an Anti-christ.

Eazyman, you are blessed too. dont mind those condemning you for what you just said. They dont know what christians who live in the northern part of nigeria are facing or experiencing. They are all enjoying themselves and living without fear whereever they may be residing so they will never know what people in places like maiduguri, kano, sokoto, kaduna, jigawa and other parts of the north are facing. Let those that are condemning you move down to the north and live then i will see if they would not say worse things than you. I advice anybody condeming Eazyman to relocate from where ever he/she is to kano or jigawa and stay. They will never agree to relocate to such places yet they are condeming Eazyman. Common NYSC that lasts for only 12 months some people have refused to serve because they were posted to northern states, yet they are opening their wide mouths to condemn Eazyman. I am talking from experience because i am living in the north at present and i know what christians are passing thru here. We are all living with fear here in the north if you care to know. Probably you would suggest we move away from the north to avoid being attacked abi?? If thats the case no mallam should be allowed to live in the south too.

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@Olabowale,

I can't but be amazed by the level of ignorance you have displayed for all to see on the World Wide Web.  Firstly, I assume by your lack of denial that you agree to Muhammad's chequered history of blood-letting.   Secondly, are you trying to change history by trying to twist and make Jesus appear to mean what He never said?

Jesus is someone who practiced what He preached and preached what He practiced (I believe same can not be said of Muhammad).  In what instance did you see Jesus violent and killing someone?  He was such a man of peace that He even healed the one who came to caprure Him and crucify Him.  To those who crucified Him on the cross, He prayed that God may forgive them because they do not know what they do. 

I am also at a loss why you would want to prove your points from the compendium of God's thought called the Bible, which you have roundly condemned as fabricated and erroneuos.  Does it become a Gospel truth when you choose to use it? 

Forget about converting me to a Muslim.  No rational person will move from light into darkness, from peace into turmoil and from paradise into hell.  Christianity offers me salvation, peace, healings, joy, righteousness, comfort, prosperity etc,   Does Allah so much as offer you a guaranttee of any of these?

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@TayoD: Are you saying that in the New Testament, we will not find an action or a saying that came from Jesus that could be construed as agression. If I can bring any to your attention, then will you eat your words and become Muslim. I put the same challenge to Davidlan on another trhread, yet he could not stand up to fulfill his own oath. Are you the same. Otherwise, write only what is correct, from your Bible.

More importantly, it is not permissable to whitewash the Qur'an as the christians had whitewashed their Bible. This is why you see all that was revealed and completely recited by Muhammad (AS) in the Qur'an. Unlike the 'inspired' collection of writings which are periodically updated, even to this day. I told one of the christians that the Protestants used the Catholic Bible as a manuscript to formulate their Bible. Yet, they conveniently obliterated many Books from the Catholics Bible from their own. Well done King James. Well done. I guess that's why they call it version.

If I were a christian, maybe i will write my own. Just like the Mormon under Joseph Smith or the Jehovah witness did. These are just two sects originated from USA. I guess every one needs to proof its worth.

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@Drusilla,

Your point about the Christian history is noted. However, I want you to understand that everyone who hears of such understands that those who did it are actually not followeres of Christ. Jesus never stood for anything violent, rather he preached peached peace and gave up His life for it.

On the other hand, the problem I've had with islam is the very fact that their founder and leader was indeed a violent person. While violence can never be attributed to Jesus, it was part and parcel of the lifestyle of Mohammed.

Herein lies the diference between both religions. Anyone who kills in the name of Islam can point at Mohammed as being an example, while anyone who practices violence as a Christian can never say he/she lived through the examples of Jesus or His early disciples.

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Drusilla, you are very polite and considerate. But the point is that muslims dont even have any agenda for violence. The isolated cases are all fallouts from some careless provocations that some muslims percieved could have far reaching implications if they were not contained. But i always support vocal objection and dialogue instead of the violence we are seeing. i am even more of support for avoidance of these provocations. I really cant understand something, is it that we dont have any better thing to do than to ignite these religious conflicts?. Cant we all engage in some positive occupations that could yield some juicy fruits?.

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Easy,

I speak from the comfort of a 'christian' country. Yet I also speak from a historical perspective.

I grew up learning of Indians and Africans being burned alive for not becoming a Christian.

One of the most famous stories is of an Indian tied to a stake about to be burned up unless he chose Jesus Christ.

The Indian asked:

Are there white people in this heaven I would go to if I accepted Jesus Christ?

The whites answered: Yes of course.

His reply: Burn me up. I do not want to go to a place where you people are considered the good people worthy of paradise.

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That is my point. At one point in this world, Christians had an agenda as violent and as terrifying as anything the Muslims do now.

Christians were so successful at their war against all others that they can now kill from the safety of their offices, and their planes and their submarines, but it is the same idea.

Christian nations rule the world and shall continue to rule the world.

Muslims fight in Nigeria? Well I am privledged that I do not have to live through this but to act as if they thought of it and invented the idea of world domination and murdering to get their religion accepted, makes one naive at best and a liar at worst.

Christians did the same thing a very long time ago, and they succeeded very well at it.

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Hello Easyman,as a matured man i believe your mental faculty is expected to  function well when addressing issues of this type that has to do with religion unrest in the coutry,most especially posting such ideas on net.People of your calibre are those who often mastermind religious crisis and i strongly believe that, no good follower of Crist Jesus will ever pronounced such a statement just as you mentioned above.pleeeease if YOU don't know what to post on the net you better keep your mouth shut ,stop painting the good christians with what you speak out to the world. MAY GOD DELIVER YOU.

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This is probably the most responsible exchanges we have in the religion segment of nairaland. Eazyman was just being irresponsible. Am glad even 4get_me was not in agreement with him. The only way we can move forward is to understand our differences and learn to respect them. Everyone is accountable for his action and oneday we shall all stand before God Almighty and explain our sojourn on earth. As for violence, we shall all condemn it in unison.

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Hi 4get_me,

Perhaps it’s perspectives that differ.

I think to some degree we are in agreement. I don’t subscribe to the notion of Christians being freelancers. Nor of enslavement, nor of “rule = control”.

I often hear Hebrew 13 v7 & 17 wheeled out when the question of obedience, rule, and submission are brought up. However, I think I see Drusilla’s point particular in reference to her earlier post speaking about the “Nicolaitan” issue in the church.

As ever it is good to seek the whole counsel of God.

Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to Himself and said to them, "You know that those who are considered rulers over the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 43 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant. 44 And whoever of you desires to be first shall be slave of all.

Or

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. 26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.

Or

1 Peter 5: 1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: 2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; 3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;

I see God’s house as a family, with the only difference between believers being essentially the degree of maturity. Some of the more mature believers (provided they fulfil certain criteria) are charged with certain functions and it’s in everyone’s best interest that they are obeyed and submitted to in exercising their duties.

The bible outlines 3 areas of authority, the home, the church and the state. Just like the branches of government, these are not to be subsumed or otherwise compromised by each other.

So any control or rule is in a church setting. It is also pertinent to note that the phrase translated “rule over you” is used only 3 times in the NT and all in Hebrews 13 (7,17 & 24).

The word actually means “to go before, and thus to lead or guide”, which is entirely consistent with a sense of maturity (being led by an elder brother, I guess its why they are called elders!).

Agreed, the word can also be used to convey a sense of ruling and governing. But to my mind, this translation is wrong for 2 reasons.

1. It would contradict the opening scriptures I quoted and

2. It would actually mean that rule did mean control.

I believe that interpreting it as rule/control is what leads to the heretical doctrine of the Nicolaitans.

Further, the whole point of our coming together as believers is for two reasons

1. To care for one another

2. For edification and maturing of all (Ephesians 4)

So again, while we will probably always need and should take counsel. And maturity in absolute terms and certain areas will always vary, I don’t see a pupil/tutor relationship, rather a fellowship of maturing siblings.

Again, maybe it’s perspective. Does God set particular people as leaders? Or is leadership a function of maturity and say gifting. Now all are gifted and all should grow in maturity. Do I eschew preaching/teaching? No, but I believe that it is primarily a work of the Word and the Spirit. So we are all taught, can be taught and can teach.

I don’t see a clergy/laity or leader/follower split, which I see as part and parcel of the Nicolaitan error.

Lot's of common ground I think.

God bless

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4get_me,

Apology accepted. Thank you for being gracious in offering one.

Have a great day. Smile.

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yeah your world perhaps

you didnt create us

you cant make us leave

this is the most silly statement i have ever heard

if a little child had said so i would understand

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4get_me,

One wonders why you wasted your breath saying all of that.

Simple fact is the context was churches and mosques leading christians and muslims to kill and die so the church or mosque can have social/political gain.

I admit that this could be my strange way of posting two posts to make clear what I am talking about. So maybe you ignored my second one talking about the crusades and jihads.

Your also misusing the bible by trying to condemn me with this scripture: Gal 2:18 says: "For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor."

Anybody could take the same less than honorable tactics and condemn the bible:

We need no one to teach us

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: [/b]but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

[b]But Paul was an appointed a teacher:

2Ti 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

We aught to be teachers.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Gee, I guess we should say now that the bible is a transgressor because:

Gal 2:18 says: "For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor."

Your youth in the area of being a preacher and teacher of the word to others shows through plainly by purposely wasting all those words trying to say something about what I have said, that just was not there.

It's okay. I have done the same foolishness in my youthfulness, when I was more full of zest than knowledge.

Fruits grow, they do not appear.

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Hi All,

It's renegade me, posting off topic again. My defence is wherever the discussion leads.

Hi 4get_me, long time. I noticed (and dare I say it missed your absence), presumably you where on vacation/sabbatical/caught up etc. etc. Whatever sir, welcome back. Now to business;

Drusilla said;

And in response 4get_me said;

So 4get_me, please forgive me if I've misread you, but are you saying that a preacher or "church organisation" should have control over a born again believers life? And further insisting that that is what the Bible teaches?

I await and appreciate your response.

God bless

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'Pure' Islam as handed down by Muhammad is violent by default. Pick up the Qur'an and read it.

In that case, nobody should believe in what you are preaching, and everyone should just believe in the Bible. Since you don't believe in what preachers teach, and you make yourself one of those preachers, you fall into the same category that you condemn. Sorry, but the same Bible that you believe in says:

"Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth" (Rom. 14:22). God loves truth as well.

Again, the Bible you believe in says:

"Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you" (Heb. 13:17).

"Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble" (I Pet. 5:5).

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Christians would go on crusades killing and murdering for the church. They also claimed the same christian excuse to enslave and colonize the world.

Muslims would go on Jihads killing and murdering for the mosque. They also claimed the same Muslim excuse to enslave and colonize their part of the world.

And honest person would admit that if the world would be better off without Muslims, then it is the exact same better off it would be without Christians.

God loves truth.

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See the things not liked about Muslims or Christians are not related to their "religion".

It is the way they prostitute their religion for social gain that is hated by the world.

Jesus stated Christians would do this and they have:

Rev 2:6 But you have this, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Rev 2:15 So you also have those who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Nicolaitans is Strongs word: 3531 but if you look it up, it will tell you it comes from 3532.

This shows the true meaning of the word.

G3532

Νικόλαος

Nikolaos

nik-ol'-ah-os

From G3534 and G2004; victorious over the people; Nicolaus, a heretic: - Nicolaus.

Victorious over the people <---- means ENSLAVING THE PEOPLE.

Keep in mind that Jesus is talking to the churches about what Christian leaders are doing.

So this is not saying that heathens use doctrine to enslave the people.

It is saying that Jesus hates when Christian churches and leaders use doctrines to ENSLAVE PEOPLE.

Any peek into Christian history will show that this is EXACTLY what CHRISTIANS have done.

Prostituted God's word to dominate the world.

Mohammed took a clue from them and did the same exact thing.

This is why I believe in the bible, and not what preachers or the churches teach.

We are the church, everyone of us is the preacher.

No preacher or church should have control over you and your life.

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@ iice

gurl high 5 that nigga don't know wat he talkin bout

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Eazyman,

It is obvious that your statements are not borne out of the "mind of Christ". You reason like mere men and you have left out a big factor in all these calculations and inferences: God.

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well i think everyone has a right to believe in watever they want to without being critizise by someone tho i'm a christian but that statement is way to much for u

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Dear Eazyman,

I am a christian, born-again, and I totally DISAGREE with you that the world will be better without muslims. I believe you are a christian but do not fully understand the gospel of Jesus Christ Yet, but I totally understand your emotions.

You see, you are not different from the muslims and their idolatory called Islam if you are yet to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour even if you call your self a "christian"

However if you understand the purpose of Jesus coming and you've accepted Him as your lord and saviour, then you will know that Jesus said proverbially that "those that are whole (healthy) have no need of the physician but those who are sick"

The reason you are alive is to witness to the lost and let them know about the Kingdom of God the father, through God the Son Jesus and God the Holy Spirit.

If you are born-again, then dont be selfish because before you were born again, you are no better and hence the world would have been better without you, right? God forbid!!!!. God loves you, He loves muslims, pagans, atheist, buddhist, murderers, paedophiles, homosexuals etc But He hates their sins and only want us to take hold of His love for us by loving him in return; by confessing and repenting from our sins and evils ways; accept Jesus Christ as the Lord and Saviour and spread the good news of Jesus Christ. So you see, the world would not be a better place without muslims afterall who will we evangelise, and win for christ and receive the blessings of obedience to God?

Shalom, Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem

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It's sad when it is supposed to be a Christian who wrote this and I by being a Christian am supposed to be associated with them.

God loves truth.

Whites who are christians have wrecked a lot of havoc on this world.

Whites who are muslims have wrecked a lot of havoc on this world.

That tells you it is not the religion that matters as to whether the person is destroying the world.

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Calm down man, if you know a tad bit of history you should know that men have been fighting with each other pre and post Islam. No need for ignorant talk because that's exactly what I see from the point you're trying to make -Silly and Ignorant. Thanks for playing with your emotions instead of your brains, next time play with your brains if you expect to win.

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Wipe out muslims today then tomorrow you will say, God said love your enemies and neighbours. Meanwhile forgetting what you wished for the previous day

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