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Theories On How Man Got Here?

I have an interesting theory, what if the answer is energy?

You know we cannot destroy energy, we can only convert it, what if energy always existed?  This universe, the planets and eventually man are consequences of energy? Earth adapted its own energy by whatever crazy means and life sprung up as a derivative of that energy chemical, mechanical and whatever?

What do you think guys? Do you have your own theories?

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I totally concur with Krayola2 that any argument with David is like arguing with the Kitchen table, It is senseless. He throws in incoherent arguments all over the place. That Mutation causes cancer, what else does mutation cause, heart attack?. I think he does not know the meanings and terms of what he is arguing about.

He equates evolution to Metamorphosis, mutation to defects in individual cells, etc.

Sometimes i wish i knew who his professors are, so that i can show how bad a job they did on him, by sending some of his posts here on Nairaland to them.

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Chris, that you tried catholicism and it didnt work for you is not a repudiation of christianity.

that a person failed out of Harvard does not mean it is no longer one of the top 5 colleges in the world.

Logical reasoning seems to be a problem with you folks.

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He lies to himself that people discard the creation myth because they don't want to abile by the rules of his god when there are a lot of christians that believe in what he calls the rule of his god without even believing in the creation accounts in genesis because they know that it is a myth. . . . . .

There are far more christians that believe in evolution here in europe than in the genesis accounts, most of the just call it an allegory. . . . . .

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haha. In the words of US Senator Barney Frank, "Having a conversation with him (Davidylan) is like trying to argue with my kitchen table. I have no interest in doing that."

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If he was born into a muslim family I believe that he will be here telling us how the koran is the word of god. . . . .

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Again you make up a false theory and believe it is true. I personally threw away creationism because it does not make any sense to me based on what I know about the earth and the universe as a whole. There are so many people that believe in the god of the bible but still do not believe in the genesis accounts because it does not make sense to them. There are millions of christians that believe in evolution and the BB not in creationism. So your theory of people not believing in creationism because they do not want to play by your god's rule is actually false considering that there are a lot of people that believe in jesus but do not believe in the creation accounts in genesis.

As for playing by god's rule all I have to say is god's rules or man's rules? You have no evidence at all to show that any god gave any law or rule to any man, all you have are men writing down rules and laws and saying that god told them to write it. What is your basis for believing that the bible is the word of god and not the hindu text? is it because you were brought up in a culture that accepts the bible as the word of god?

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the usual personality attack that adds NOTHING to the topic at hand.

you say the bible makes claims without evidence . . . BUT YET we have an entire thread devoted to someone's conjecture that has NO EVIDENCE and you're not equally as appalled as you would be if this had been a discussion on creationism?

If no one has any clue how the world came to be, what is the basis for rejecting the biblical view?

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Has it ever occurred to you that he might have once considered the bible to be true but left it after knowing that it isn't true so he decided to look else where? The bible does not explain how life came about at all it only makes wild claims without any evidence at all that are NOT true.

If every body will just drop his ego then I do not know will be a better answer to all these questions. I once tried to subscribe to evolution but I know its all another piece of conjecture no different from creationism so i dropped it off. The big bang is just another conjecture modern scientist use in recreating how they believe the universe came about but the BB it self has a lot of holes and provides no evidence at all. The universe did not come about from a big bang, Creationism (of all religions) is just the how medieval men thought the earth and what is contained it came about nothing more. The FACT still remains that nobody truly knows how the universe actually came about all we have are wild guesses and conjectures with no evidence to support them at all. I don't know is the best position to take for now because that is the truth for now no body knows.

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You cant see beyond your own nose. Its funny that your "curiousity" NEVER leads you to consider for even a remote second that the bible could be true. It seems your "curiosity" is mainly geared towards ANYTHING that can explain life outside of the bible.

You BELIEVE in evolution based on absolutely no facts at all, it makes me wonder why you think belief in Noah's ark is a fantasy.

Like i said earlier, its far far easier to believe Jesus raised the dead than to believe in evolution.

Chris . . . as usual you're looking at energy from the wrong side of the coin. You've been hammering on it not being ever fully destroyed . . . have you wondered how that energy came to be in the first place? What does it mean by energy being default? Default from where?

I dont THINK evolution is mumbo jumbo, i KNOW it is basically nonsense cooked up by those desperate for an anti-creationist excuse.

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NO

I don't believe in theories. It kills. That is the reason i believe in GOD, the creator.

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But do we all agree that nothing is really ever fully destroyed? So maybe something is the default.

@david

I get your point, you think evolution is mumbo jumbo no wahala.

Cheers.

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Why are bothering yourself with these guys after all they descended from monkeys. They might still be thinking like their ancestors.

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Interesting topic to think about but remember that energy itself is not eternal. It came into existence at the Big Bang with space, time and all matter.

Secondly, the idea of spontaneous abiogenesis has been flirted with and ultimately discarded. There is no scientific support for that hypothesis. As a matter of fact, if you press Richard Dawkins hard enough, he'll concede to you that he does not know how life actually began on this planet. Evolution, for all its attractions does not address that issue either - it merely picks up after life has mysteriously appeared. Maybe, some day we'll find some naturalistic explanation but as of right now, no one knows. Indeed, Richard Dawkins is open to the idea that some unknown extraterrestrial could have seeded this planet with its earliest form of life.

Alright, keep trucking fellas.

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haha. davidylan, I have never said i believe in the big bang. I said i believe in evolution. Reading something and trying to understand it is different from believing it. And i'm not "defending' it. . .just learning about it. i don't pretend to have all the answers, i just try to be curious. If curiosity makes me a hypocrite in your world, its fine with me. If I never learned about christianity too, u might have had a point. It's good to know all sides IMO

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I have no clue but you are postulating from an unknown . . . did energy just appear out of nowhere? If it did how did it create a human? Look at the level of complexity of your own circulatory system . . . energy just created that out of random chance?

You know, its easier to believe God created me than to believe that i am just a product of statistical chance.

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I get what u saying . . . . I thought that was what the whole big bang was based on. Isn't it? high density high heat . . . . abi heat no be energy again? I don't really know about the scientific stuff but it's possible the universe contracted back in time and blew the fukc up again. Maybe it's a cycle. . .like everything else.

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how did energy create such a complex organism like man?

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hmmmm people my point is what if energy always existed, not Man or animals.

I mean come to think of it can you fully really ever destroy something? I dunno I am just asking

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THis is one of the reasons i like you,

If the world have existed for billions of years, the present population would be in multiples of average annual birth multiplied by Billions and our present population could have been in trillions.

The current world population of 6billion plus, when divided by the average annual birth shows the world have only existed for thousands of years,

Except the world existed for billions of years without human beings or child birth or that along the line some thing cleared every human being on earth withing some thousands of years past, any other thing outside this could not show that the world have existed even a million years.

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The population of man is 6 billion and counting, that must mean there was a point when man's population was less than 3. Where did the first 2 folks come from?

If we always were and the earth has existed for billions of yrs our population would be much much larger.

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I think u're begging the question.

The number system we use today is less than 2000 years old. The earliest evidence of counting dates back only about 30,000 years. IMO numbers have not always existed. We created a system that helps us to understand our universe, and it has proven to be pretty darn impressive and on point. That doesn't mean numbers have always existed. I feel we have a tendency of robbing ourselves of credit of anything profound. Maybe the relationships that numbers help us to express/articulate have always existed, but numbers themselves, in my opinion, have not always existed.

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So the sun was not 1 sun before we arrived on the earth simply because we were not there to count it?

And the galaxies & stars were not x billion galaxies and y billion stars simply becuase we were not there to count them? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

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Did numbers exist before we started counting? I thought we invented numbers . . .

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Does it really make sense to think that physical things always were?

Is it not common observance and common knowledge that physical things come into being and dissipate? Even the stars, creatures, etc. Were you always here?

The only things that have always been exist in the world of forms and ideas.

E.g: numbers; energy, time, space, etc.

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No doubt energey is involved in the process. The big bang must have resulted from concentrated energy of some sort. However, energy alone could not have ordered the universe in its present form. The dynamics of life on earth for example lead me to believe that there is another, more crucial element that you are missing. Just looking at the Human Eye for example and its amazing engineering, or the instincts of animals such as those that participate in the great cross atlantic migrations, sea turtles and wildebeest lead me to believe there is something more than just energy.

"Let there be Light." That's energy no doubt.

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