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Tithes In Redeemed Church, What Do U Think?

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I say wow!! Just wow!!

What monumental deception?

Narrow indeed is the way

Lord have mercy

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@InesQor:

God bless you man,,,I ve always told people that you don't ve to be a pastor in order to be a better christian,,,most pastors/GO in Nigeria ve misplaced priorities and simply being motivated by material gains than spiritual gains,,its a big shame,,,JESUS is lord and there is no CONTROVERSY about that,,,

The below iscripture truly describes the present state of RCCG,,,RCCG has or must go back to where it started,,RCCG is right now motivated by a completely different Gospel that is not of Christ,,,its a difficult and a sad truth,,,

Mat 5:13 You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste (its strength, its quality), how can its saltness be restored? It is not good for anything any longer but to be thrown out and trodden underfoot by men.

When salt is no longer salt, it is not different from sand. SPEAK THE TRUTH, even when it hurts. Ciao.

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The BEREAN christians usually make sure they confirm whatevere anybody teaches them with the Bible,,,and if its contrary to what the Bible tells them,,,they would discard it,,,and if the BEREAN christians re alive today,,,I can assure that they would condemn many of the activities of RCCG,,,Many of the Pastors in RCCG re not even born again,,

RCCG cares so much about ur money than ur spirtual life,,,that is why you would see many of their pastors involved in fraudulent activities,,

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Nonsense, What do you read in the bible, why dont you quote it out, It is biblical for people to give for the work of ministry , so what are you refering to.?

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Most times i dont want to believe some of the facts you guyz present on NL, i haven't attended RCCG or any pentecostal church for that matter.

I don't bother listening to their preachers coz its always about money, money and more money,

However the facts you guyz (viaro) presents are incredible, how can a church be so callous and its congregation so gullible, cant they read the bible themselves. Well Religious is truly the opium of the masses (Africans)

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I couldn't agree more, the local NL branches of those business centers need to take a hike and find another forum to deceive others because their NL game is up.

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Thanx my brother, i haven't abandoned the forum but i seem to post less these days as i really want to avoid getting into unhealthy arguments with those that are hell bent on twisting the scriptures but i am consolated in the fact that there are a lot of brethen in this forum who know and understand the bible and the gospel of Jesus christ better than myself seriously contending for the truth and fighting for the faith. it is now more difficult for someone to get away with twisted scripture on this forum than when i first joined three years ago when people twisted the scriptures endlessly on this forum and got away with it. But i must say nairaland as been a tremendous learning experience for me and i believe also for most of us on this forum. I pray that God would continually reveal his truth to us and we all as christians would not only be hearers of the word but doers as well.

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^^^^

(2)   Some RCCG pastors (like Moses Adekola) are/were objective:

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^^ When we consider the big picture, the greater concern is not so much that some leaders will emerge to speak twisted things (Acts 20:30, ESV), but that these twisters will be encouraged by many of their listerners to continue in such things (2 Peter 2:2). That is precisely how perversion is birthed and nursed to full growth.

More excerpts from the doctoral dissertation by Asonzeh Franklin-Kennedy UKAH:

(1)   Tithe/tithing - part of qualification for ordination:

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Some years ago when churches stopped building poeple and were more concerned about building gigantic structures i knew it was the begining of the end. Anything outside Gods word designed to boast Mans ego will not suceed, it may be good for a while but it never lasts, people are seeing the truth now

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all dis so call redeem churchs,they are wickedly evil,don't worry 4 now, the church will be like a story of one time star sisco.one day people will open their eyes to see.have u seen the fake white house built for the so call man of god/evil?@ the camp?how many room will he sleep @,while some people do not even have roof over  their head.i am not finished a story of another man of ggodd will come out soon and it will rock or break the rccg church (story of man and woman)those powerful one in uk jesus house

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The above used to be on the main RCCG (i.e. central/global rccg.org) website for years; I notice it has been removed from the "Fundamental Belief" (sic) section. In the early days of the web some of us attacked it strenuously in web debates. I wonder how long before the rest of the RCCG websites (such as South Africa and Netherlands above and etc) also take it off; if they do, don't be deceived, they will have only gone underground with it; internally they will still be fleecing their flock with both subtle and strong arm tactics.

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Thank you, nuella 2.

Indeed, viaro is not against giving. In very fact, I would encourage Christians to give to further the Gospel and most importantly to care for the needy in the Body of Christ.

However, what I stand against is the manner of giving where it becomes compulsory, obligatory or coerced in one form or another. We cannot deny that the NT is clear about this - that Christian giving should NOT be 'by force', or 'under compulsion', or 'obligatory' in any manner (2 Cor. 9:7).

I do not mean to harm anybody, trust me. Yet, we are very well admonished to be on the look out for those who use fair speeches to make merchandise of God's people (2 Peter 2:3). We should not support schemes that turn the Father's house into "an house of merchandise" (John 2:16).

In spite of these simple verses above, many pastors and leaders have found very subtle ways of preaching a 'commercial gospel' to their congregations. They do so by setting up various kinds of "payment schemes" and put on some sort of "duty stamp" on them. The whole thing assumes a 'legalised' scheme to the point that it becomes a sort of 'visa' to heaven. In simple terms, salvation is no longer free in such churches but must be 'purchased' by all under their canopy!

You don't have to look very far to recognize these "payment schemes" that commercialize the salvation of Christ. I'll give you very simple examples of what I mean -

As if making tithe payments a regular affair on every single income (salary, business, gifts, etc) is not enough, or the "exclusive" factor stamped with assurance for "minister's welfare" not enough, you should know that failure to fulfill this "obligatory" payment will determine your place in HELL. See this study (a doctoral dissertation by Asonzeh Franklin-Kennedy UKAH, University of Bayreuth, pages 177-178 [PDF document]) -

There are far too many examples I can give you where the RCCG taxes believers in very subtle ways. Many people are quite familiar with the example above, and it is chosen here to illustrate why this "payment scheme" for heaven is nothing short of a perverse gospel that sells redemption to people.

One cannot but ask: what has happened to the vicarious work of the Lord Jesus Christ that freely and completely saves a believer? Is redemption now a thing to be bought and sold in such subtle language?

What is even far more heinous is that believers in their millions are happy to be duped by such subtle 'payment schemes' - a sort of taxation that turns the Father's house into 'a house of merchandise'. Those who turn a blind eye to these perversion and excuse it away with such clichés like 'touch not mine anointed and do my prophet no harm'. As long as we keep mute and applaud these perversion in religious language, these "tax payment schemes" will continue to be peddled by the "exclusive ministers" who sell redemption to the public in their various camps.

I do not mean to hurt anyone. However, we cannot close our eyes to any scheme that sells redemption to any believer in whatever religious and 'spiritual' forms. May we have the boldness of faith with Peter to declare to these 'exclusive ministers': "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money"  (Acts 8:20).

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So u are saying the remaining 50% goes to the headquarters, dont we have members worshipping at the headquarters, do they not pay tithes, why should they take it to the headquarters again, the problem I think we have is this, most christians behaves as if we dont know anything except what the pastor sayd.

When pastor says ur white handkerchief is black, every body will shout halleluyah, but really, u know deep down its not black,

Why do they always tell us to come out when we want to give tithes, is it to encourage people to do the same or to show off to people or to lket people know those that are gainfully employed in the house, I believe it doesnt have to be so announced and emphasized, its for God, do I need to tell the whole church I want to give God money, money that he was the one that gave me and he never announced it.

I think what should be done is this, let every church manage the affairs of itself from the tithes paid by the members. we have so many people in the church that are hungry, let there be food for them,  too much emphasis should not be placed on offerings, many people feel bad when they call offering time and they dont have to give.

Please, lets not force some innocent people into stealing or illegal acts because of offerings

thank you

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@JOAGBAJE

Romans 14:4

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

You should not discourage the commitments of people to God just because you dont like the way of the leader. This is based on lack of understanding of scriptures. Jesus had Issues with jewish leaders but yet he encouraged people to listen to what they teach only that they should become like them.Never put yourself in pathway of judgement like some ignorant people.

What happened to where the scripture said we should search all SPIRITS,,what also happened to the BAREAN CHRISTIAN who after receiving message or ministration,,they would go back to the scripture to search if its true or not? You say do not judge,,the basis and the reason for the PROLIFERATION OF PENTERASCALS MOVEMENT is strictly on JUDGEMENT,,Otherwise why do we ve PFN and CAN as separate bodies representing CHRISTIANS? Why is it PFN re JUDGING TB JOSHUA and OYAKHILOME??

The sad truth is that too many things re wrong with RCCG,,if U re a member of RCCG and do not see these things wrong,,,then nothing in this world can be wrong in ur eyes,,,How in world do you want to validate what was on the of RCCG as regards all kinds of giving,,first fruit giving etc,,,,Abeg make person hear word jare!!!

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Lets not deceive ourselves,,,the CHURCH needs to back to where it actually started,,,this is to me is not christianity,,,its nothingg but a man made religion,,,,

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@viaro

You said you are not against giving in churches, so what are you against just curious. We need to preach this gospel on television, internet, satelite, print and any possible means. God gave his best for us, so what can a christian give that can be too much. Even poor people gave thier very last in the bible, people sold thier properties in the early church. The riches of the christian is to finance the kingdom of God, i dont believe in building mansions here and let the work of God suffer. Afterall we are strangers here, this is not our home. Jesus is coming soon and we need to tell everybody about him and our money is involved. So should we only give when is convenient?  the remnants? or just give little and eat the rest? How and when should a christian give?  can a christian give too much as long as he is doing so willingly?

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I already anticipated people like you would be making such excuses -

@Joagbaje, when you say that "nobody is forced", have you considered what is meant by "obligatory"? Please go and carefully consider this before you assert what you have no clue about.

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@ all

Nobody is forced into any giving in Gods house, People that gives are the one benefiting.

Acts 20:35

It is more blessed to give than to receive.

It is not the place of any person to judge the policy of any Churc, If you dont like it, ask for clarity based on the bible, if you are not satisfied, GET OUT! OF THAT PLACE BEFORE YOU DESTROY YOUSELF. Stop the ridicle of men of God , It does not edify anybody. You should make contributios that edify the church. Even if you feel the overseer is wrong, it is between him and God.

Romans 14:4

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

You should not discourage the commitments of people to God just because you dont like the way of the leader. This is based on lack of understanding of scriptures. Jesus had Issues with jewish leaders but yet he encouraged people to listen to what they teach only that they should become like them.Never put yourself in pathway of judgement like some ignorant people.

Matthew 23:2-3

Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: [3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

The forum that should have been instrumental for soulwinning is now being used to attack the body of Chris. while the devil is laughing his way out.

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For instance,,how could any Bishop or GO tell you that the only way you can avoid the recession is for you to continue to pay ur TITHE,,,,is Tithe the only language these people understand??

How do you want to reconcile such assertion with the plights of many christians that has been paying TITHE yet they lost their jobs as a result of the criminal activities of a Senior pastor who doubles as a Bank MD,,,,,,People should just for once use their thinking cap,,,

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I get ur point. . , . . .but can we say that a church is responsible for its members behaviour?. . ultimately the life each individual member lives remains their choice. , .  . .but the inactions of pastors cannot be excused.

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RCCG has double standard(two sets of church),,,one is called classical and the other is called model parishes,,,however,,the model parishes seems to have overwhelmed the classical and as a result everybody wants to be in model parish because it actually attracts the worldly and the unholly,,,which is what Christ for though,,,

But my question is why would a church have two sets or standard one for the world,,,and the other for outward Holy people,,,

The sad and painful truth is that RCCG needs to go back from where it actually started from,,,we ve a situation in RCCG where a good number of their pastors re not even Born-Again,,,that forms the reason why some of the pastors ve 2 wives,,some re even criminals ,,,abeg forget story man,,,,

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@ ALL

how do u reconcile all of this to the fact RCCG is one of the very few churches that emphasizes on holiness?

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About 200 million people worship buddha, are they right?

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Now here is question for you,,,Why is it most senior Pastors re either criminals or have criminal tendencies? e.g

1.Pastor Bunmi Oni 2.Area Pastor Erastus Akingbola 3.Regional/International Pastor Wale Adebajo 4.There was a Provincial Pastor who died in a plane crash in Abuja who stole several Billions from RMARC and he had 2wives,,,,also so many scandals the ears can not even comprehend,,,,

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Yes, you are correct to say that 100% Tithes are remitted to the Headquarters. What you do not know is that 20% - 30% of total tithe usually go back to the Parishes as REBATE, while the Province keeps 20%. If the Rebate does not get to the Parish for whatever reason, then the Provincial and/or Area Headquarters should be held accountable.

The Ministry is over 55 years old already, so tell me, when will "the truth" (you are longing for) be revealed? What will 'the Truth" be? 5 Million members will definitely not be wrong! Wake up people!

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Tithes in the RCCG high command is taken very seriously, they actually have auditors they send to their branches and franchise holders to ensure that all tithes collected are well accounted for and fully remitted to the head office. This is obviously becos there is no trust amongst them. [Even amongst thieves there is honour] but not in the case of RCCG. Their cup would soon be full, a racket can't last forever.

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Redeemed operates a business structure that demands 100% of tithes must be remitted to the head office. I guess that's what they charge for allowing you to use their strong brand name to fleece the flock.

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it's only a matter of time b4 the truth is rrvealed and we are all liberated from all the lies.

when pastor bakare said it they labeled him a roubble rouser.

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