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Was Allah The Moon God Of Ancient Arab Pagan? Holy Month Is Ushered In By Moon!

By Syed Kamran Mirza

Historical evidences, impartial logic, well versed references and all available circumstantial judgments can very well prove that—(a) Allah name of deity was pre-existed much before the arrival of Islam, (b) Pre-Islamic Pagan peoples worshipped Allah as their supreme deity (moon-god). Allah’s name existed in pre-Islamic Arab. In ancient Arab the Allah was considered to be the supreme God/deity (as Moon-God) and Arab Pagans worshipped Allah before Islam arrived.

Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :

Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes

Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes

Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes

Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

The variable names (Sin, Hubul, llumquh, Al-ilah) of moon god were used by various tribes of pagan Arabs. Pagan god SIN was the name of Moon-god.

Who is actually Allah?

According to Islamic Theologians (Mullahs, Maulana, Moulavis, etc.), or Islamic teachings-- Allah is the supreme God or creator who (suddenly one day?) talked or introduced Himself with Prophet Muhammad through an Angel named Gabriel, disclosing the truth that it is the Allah who created everything in the universe. Surprisingly, Qur’an never defines the word “Allah” as to who actually Allah was or what was the relation of Allah with pagans. I believe, 99% percent of Muslims do believe that—Allah’s name was invented or started right from the time when Gabriel disclosed the truth (?) to Prophet Muhammad in the cave of Hira Parvat (Mountain) and gave Muhammad the Quran. They believe that before this truth was revealed—pagan Arabs were in the total darkness (Andhakar Zuug) and they used to worship various puppet goddess and that the pagans were very evil people. I can bet on this fact that no mullahs ever told us the real truth, neither they believe this clean truth that “Allah” was in fact a pre-existing deity in pagan Arabia. What a hypocrisy?

Some important factors which will suggest that the name“Allah” was already in use by Pagans as their chief God/deity:

(A) In pre-Islamic days, that Muslims call the Days of ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. At Mekka, “Allah” was the chief of the gods and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life. These three daughters of Allah (there is a Quranic verse about them) were considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their worshippers were of great significance.

(B) Arabs used to give their children names such as—Abdullah (slave of Allah). Clean proof was the fact that, Muhammad’s father’s name was “Abdullah”. Logical analogy here is—had there been no “Allah” in pre-Islamic Arab, there could be no Abdullah or slave of Allah in Arabia.

(C) Even today, in the entire Arab World, not only Muslims but all other non-Muslim (Jews, Christians, Sabians, Bahai, an atheist etc.) Arabs says—“Ya Allah” as the expression of surprise or unhappiness/sorrow.

(D). Albert Hourani’s statement: “The Islamic name used for God was “Allah”, which was already in use for one of the local Gods (it now used by Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians as the name of God (A history Of Arab people by Albert Hourani, 1991, page-16, Belknap press of Harvard University, USA)

History tells us two theories of Allah’s existence in and around the Kaba Sharif: (1) Pagans used to call the largest Statue amongst the 360 deities as Allah—whom they used to consider the chief/supreme deity (god). Or, (2) Pagan Arabs used to worship 360 deities inside Kaba Sharif, and they used to consider them different smaller deities under the total control of a single most powerful chief deity called “Allah” who was invisible (Nirakar) and was the all-powerful, all-knowing, and totally unknowable.

Amazing Similarities with Hindu Religion:

In India’s Hindu religion is quite similar to the number two theory (above) of pagan belief. Although, Hindus worship many different Goddesses—they invariably have faith upon a single supreme invisible deity called “Bhagaban” (some call it “Ischhaar”) whom they call “Nirakar”. And, surprisingly there is no sculptural image/figure for this Bhagaban. But all Hindus worship Him along with other numerous deities. This Bhagaban is considered as the lord of all other deities. What would happen—if some intelligent prophet would have asked Hindus to give up worshipping other goddesses and keeping only Bhagaban as their only deity making it a monotheist religion just like Islam? Could it not be another religion like Islam?

Now some factors which will suggest “Allah” was the Moon-god of Arab pagans:

(A) In Qura’n there are at least a dozen verses in which Allah repeatedly swears by the names such as moon, sun, stars, planets, night, wind etc. It is a mystery why the creator Allah (?) should swear by his creations. Normally, we swear by the name of something much superior to us, such as we swear by God or by the name of our father (who is considered senior or superior to us). But we never swear by the name of something inferior to us. Here in the Quran swearing fashions of Allah (God) by moon or stars hinting us that Allah considered these things superior to himself. And this makes us to think (otherwise) as to who actually acted as Allah in Quran? However, in his explanation of why the Qur’an swears by the moon in Surah 74:32, “Nay, verily by the Moon,” Yusuf Alli comments, “The moon was worshipped as a deity in times of darkness”(fn. 5798, pg. 1644). Perhaps, this swearing of Allah was due to the usual/cultural habits of worshipping moon as their God in pagan customs.

(B) Yousuf Ali stated (Page-1921-1623 of his English Translation of Holy Quran):

“Moon-worship was equally popular in various forms………Apollo and Diana—the twin brother and sister, representing the sun and moon. …in the Vedic religion of India the moon god was Soma, the lord of the planets…….moon was male divinity in ancient India. Moon was also male divinity in ancient Semitic religion, and the Arabic word for the moon “qamar’ is of the masculine gender, on the other hand, the Arabic word for sun “shams” is feminine gender. The pagan Arabs evidently looked upon the sun as a goddess and the moon as a God.

The Pagan deities best known in the Ka’ba and round about Mecca were Lat, Uzza, and Manat.…the 360 idols established by the Pagans in the Ka’ba probably represented the 360 days of an inaccurate solar year. This was the actual modern pagan worship as known to the Quraish contemporary with our prophet”

(C) Influence of Moon in Islam:

Who can deny the paramount influences of moon in Muslim’s life? In Islam, moon is considered holiest astronomical object, and moon is the guiding light of all Islamic rituals/festivals. Contradictions and conflicts are very common with the dates of Eids and Ramadan and obviously it is a chronic problem and moon is the nucleus of this problem. Crescent moon and stars are the symbolic sign in the national flags of many Muslim countries, and it is present over the Mosques, in the Muslim graveyard etc.

Prophet Muhammad compromised to Pagans to establish Islam in Arabia:

Prophet Muhammad did his clever tactics of adapting many rites of paganism into Islam, in order to accommodate Islam among the pagan Arabs. He made lots of political pacts with the Pagan Leaders such as Abu Suffian to accommodate his new idea of religion and he agreed to incorporate many of the Pagan rituals in Islam. Prophet Muhammad asked the pagans to worship only the “Allah” the largest God,

And destroy the idols of all other gods and goddesses that existed in Kabah. To establish oneness (monotheist) of God, he repeatedly asked them not to make any partners to Allah (That is why we can find hundreds of Quranic verses “asking not to make any partners to Allah). Finally, the Prophet was able to convince (by force of course) the pagans to destroy all idols, and on return (he) agreed (perhaps) to keep the “Names” of the goddess of most famous Pagan tribes as the alternative names of Allah—hence Islam has 99 NAMES of Allah.

Prophet Muhammad did command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca. (Please See Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). , “the whole of the [pagan] pilgrimage was spiritualized in Islam, ” (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80). In the Tafsir (of Quran-2:200) maoulana Yousuf Ali stated: “After Pilgrimage, in Pagan times, the pilgrims used to gather in assemblies in which the praises of ancestors were sung. As the whole of the pilgrimage rites were spiritualized in Islam, so this aftermath of the Pilgrimage was also spiritualized. It was recommended for pilgrims to stay on two or three days after the pilgrimage, but they must use them in prayer and praise to God.(#223 of Shane’nazul by Maoulana Yousuf Ali, page-81)

In Islam many rituals performed (today) by devoted Muslims in the name of Allah are connected to the pagan worship that existed before Islam. Pagans practices of the Pilgrimage of Kabah once a year--the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc. are strictly followed by Muslims today. Nobody can deny the fact that, all the above rituals of Muslim’s hajj today—existed well before the arrival of Islam.

It is highly plausible to consider the fact that by incorporating much of the Pagan’s rituals in new religion Islam—Prophet successfully reduced the pagan-risk and it was perhaps one of the most important milestone-attempts to conquer the minds of Pagans resulting in massive breakdown of the Pagans’ moral and support to oppose Islam.

The central shrine at Mekka was the Pagan’s Kaaba (called House of Allah), a cube like stone structure which still stands though many times rebuilt. Imbedded in one corner is the black stone, probably a meteorite, the kissing of which is now an essential part of the Muslim’s pilgrimage.

It is the historical fact that the Ka’aba, the sacred shrine which contains the Black Stone, in Mecca was used for pagan idol worship before Islam and even called the House of Allah at that time. The name of the God whom the Arabs worshipped was the god of pantheon—Ali-ilah the god, the supreme, the predeterminer of everybody’s life or destiny—the chief God “Allah”

Who did not read the story of BLACK STONE which was very sacred (povitra) to all various tribes of Quraish. When one day this sacred stone was needed to transfer from one place to another, there was a quarrel amongst the various tribes, as to who will carry that sacred stone? Then most intelligent and righteous young boy Muhammad (was not a prophet then) invented the solution of this serious problem. He (Muhammad) put this sacred stone over a Chaddor (piece of cloth) and asked one representative from each tribe to hold the Chaddor and carry the stone. I narrated this story briefly just to prove that—black stone did exist long before Islam was invented.

In summary, it has been truthfully and logically proven with all possible available circumstantial evidences/rational that, Islam was not a new religion but it is a reformed paganism. I believe thatall these monotheistic religions have more or less similar origins. This idea of monotheistic religion was not a brand new invention. Monotheistic thought was declared by Ancient Pharaoh Kings, Mesopotamia’s king Hamarubi (3000 B.C.), and Alexander the Great (300 B.C.). Differences were, these kings demanded that they themselves were the God whom everybody should worship.

References:

1. The Holy Qur’an, Translated by A. Yousuf Ali, Published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, 1983

2. Buchari Sharif, Bengali Translation by Maulana Muhammad Mustafizur Rahman, Sulemani Printers and Publishers, Dhaka, Second edition-1999

3. A History of the Arab peoples, by Albert Hourani, the Belknap press of Harvard University press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1991

4. Dr. Robert Morey, 1996 Research and Education Foundation.

5. Gilchrist, The Temple, The Ka’aba, and the Christ (Benoni, South Africa, 1980), p. 16.

6. G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah?, (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 138

7. Ibn Warraq, Why I Am Not A Muslim, (Prometheus, Amherst, 1995) p. 42.

8. Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1971, II:1093.)

9. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (ed. Hastings), I:326.

10.The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Mythology, Arthur Cotterell and Rachel Storm, Lorenz Books, New York 10011, Anness Publishing Limited 1999

11. Roots of the Western Tradition, (a short history of ancient world) by C.Warren Hollister, Library of congress cataloging-in-publication data, 6th edition, 1

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The Glorious Qur'an categorically prohibits idolatory. The Op. is advised to read Qur'an 41;37 which reads:

"Among His (Allah's) signs are the night and the day

and the sun and the moon, prostrate not to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah who created them if it is Him ye wish to serve"[b][/b]

On the Question, who is Allah? Please refer to Qur'an 112:1-4 which goes as follows:

"Say He is Allah the one and only,

Allah the eternal absolute,

He begeteth not nor is He begotten (He has neither ascendants nor descendants)

And there is none like unto Him"

You can never find a more comprehensive description of the Almighty in any other book.

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good job poster. however islam is not a reformed version of Paganism. it is just riddled with politics and religious confusion. muhammad played his game well.

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WHAT IS HIS NAME? (HIS NAME IS Allah IN YOUR BIBLE)!!!!

by Ahmad Deedat

http://www.islamawareness.net/Allah/wihn.html

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I actualy had 2 take my time 2 read thru evry post b4 comentin. Sm ppl ar soundin as if dey jst had a quarel wit a muslim. Anyway, i'm nt surprise: Allah said they ll nt like until u join them. It is pathetic hw people out of sheer hatred quote out of context. If i may ask in yoruba land(jst as in other parts of d country) were there no idols like ogun & d likes? Does dat mean b4 d coming of christinity 2 yoruba land dere was no name for the supreme being. If not who bears olodumare, olowuu etc. If yes, why den do u think & were u expecting d arabians nt 2 hv a name for God. Dough d arabians had dif. Idols wit dere dif. names, they also had name 4 d almighty God (Allah) or dnt both muslims & xtians yorubas bear names like olowufumi &modukpeolowu. Ar they idol names, despite existin long b4 any of d 2 religions. U made mention of Allah swearin by d moon. U should know dat d moon, sun, stars, trees , mankind & all dat exist ar his creatures & his signs. He cud decide 2 swear by any of dem, he knws best. I want u undastand dat it was d same Allah dat other prophet (Abraham, Jesus, Moses, etc) dat came b4 d last prophet belvd in. So, d name, Allah had existed even b4 d world. As 4 those dat jst want 2 blackmail d prophet(pbuh) by sayin he maried a 9 or 12 yrs old, i tink we shld stop deceving ourselves. Why nt ask ur grandmother or any elderly woman hw old she was when she got married. Afterall d wife of d prophet(Aisha) was wit her dady until she attaind d age of maturity b4 moving 2 d prophet's (pbuh) house. As 4 dose makin empty noise, go & look @ d present bible. It is bathed wit conflicting verses. E.g, has jesus seen God b4? : u ll find yes & no as answs. in d bible. which is correct? Accordin 2 a certain scholar, he said d bible is d worst book on earth & shud b kept under lock & key. I knw it is only wise 4 u 2 remain firm as muslim, nt mindin d distractions because, dere is no smoth ride 2 success.e supreme being. If not who bears olodumare, olowuu etc. If yes, why den do u think & were u expecting d arabians nt 2 hv a name for God. Dough d arabians had dif. Idols wit dere dif. names, they also had name 4 d almighty God (Allah) or dnt both muslims & xtians yorubas bear names like olowufumi &modukpeolowu. Ar they idol names, despite existin long b4 any of d 2 religions. U made mention of Allah swearin by d moon. U should know dat d moon, sun, stars, trees , mankind & all dat exist ar his creatures & his signs. He cud decide 2 swear by any of dem, he knws best. I want u undastand dat it was d same Allah dat other prophet (Abraham, Jesus, Moses, etc) dat came b4 d last prophet belvd in. So, d name, Allah had existed even b4 d world. As 4 those dat jst want 2 blackmail d prophet(pbuh) by sayin he maried a 9 or 12 yrs old, i tink we shld stop deceving ourselves. Why nt ask ur grandmother or any elderly woman hw old she was when she got married. Afterall d wife of d prophet(Aisha) was wit her dady until she attaind d age of maturity b4 moving 2 d prophet's (pbuh) house. As 4 dose makin empty noise, go & look @ d present bible. It is bathed wit conflicting verses. E.g, has jesus seen God b4? : u ll find yes & no as answs. in d bible. which is correct? Accordin 2 a certain scholar, he said d bible is d worst book on earth & shud b kept under lock & key. I knw it is only wise 4 u 2 remain firm as muslim, nt mindin d distractions because, dere is no smoth ride 2 success.

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@s7evn&toba, i devoutness ur existance.

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To God belong wisdom and power; counsel and understanding are his

He said, "Go and tell this people:

" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;

be ever seeing, but never perceiving.

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Allah guides whom He wills.

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Aburo, I answered by telling you that the Moon is nothing other than a measure of time, just like the Sun. Then Muhammad (AS) cheapened the import of the moon by splitting it. If no moon appears, Islam will still function as it functions with the presence of the moon. How; The month is never longer than 30 days and never fewer than 29 days. Day is calculated by Sundown to sundown.

What there is it? The Moon only indicates beginning of the month, and from history, we already agreed that a month is either 29 or 30 days and all the muslims have to do is develop a consensus and make Sharuun Ramadhana to be just 29, and Sharuun Dhul Hajj as 29, too and make everything else 30 days.

If the sun and moon disappear, then there is alread a clock calculating 24 hours whereever you are and get your yearly calender and daily timing by that developed 30 years previous calender, and each future years rotates by it! In other words, whatever year you wan in the future will come from the previous 30, exactly.

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olabowale you didnt answer my question

I asked if there were no moon at all, what effect would that have on your practices.

assuming the moon vanished and was nowhere to be found, not if the moon split.

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@Olabowale :

2:189 "They ask you about the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed seasons in (the affairs of) men, and for Hajj Pilgrimage."

*** Muhammad's Allah created the Moon so that the Hajj can be performed on time***

18:83 "They ask you about Dhu'l-Qarnain [Alexander the Great]. Say, 'I will cite something of his story. We gave him authority in the land and means of accomplishing his goals. So he followed a path until he reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in black, muddy, hot water. Near it he found people."

*** The Sun - which is over 1,000,000 times bigger than the Earth - yet it sets every evening in a puddle of muddy waters ***

21:26 "Don't the unbelievers see that the heavens and earth were joined together in one piece before we clove them asunder? , Will they not believe? And We have set on the earth mountains as stabilizers, lest the earth should convulse without them. And We have made therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. We have made the heaven a roof well guarded. Yet they turn away from its Signs! All (the celestial bodies) swim along, on a course, floating."

*** The Bible is the only source of the creation process that Muhammad is alluding to. There is NOTHING in it regarding the heavens and earth being joined and then separated, this is, as usual, entirely from Muhammad's own vivid imagination***

36:38 And the Sun runs her course for a period determined for her: that is the decree of (Him) the exalted in Might the All-Knowing. 39 And the Moon We have measured for it mansions (to traverse) till it returns like the old (and withered) lower part of date-stalk. 40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon nor can the Night outstrip the Day: each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit [falaki] (according to Law).

67:3 "We created seven heavens, one above the other. Muhammad, can you see any fault in Ar-Rahman's creation? Look again: Can you see any rifts or fissures? Then look again and yet again. Your gaze turns back dazed and tired. We have adorned the lowest skies with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive away the devils and against the stone Satans, and for them We have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the most intense Blazing Fire."

Bukhari: 4.421 "I walked hand in hand with the Prophet when the sun was about to set. We did not stop looking at it. The Prophet asked,

'Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?'

I replied, 'Allah and His Apostle know better.' He said,

'It travels until it falls down and prostrates Itself underneath the Throne. The angels who are in charge of the sun prostrate themselves, also. The sun asks permission to rise again. It is permitted. Then it will prostrate itself again but this prostration will not be accepted. The sun then says, "My Lord, where do You command me to rise, from where I set or from where I rose?" Allah will order the sun to return whence it has come and so the sun will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the statement of Allah in the Qur'an.'"

*** Even the oldest civilization upon earth knew that the sun rises in the EAST ***

Tabari I:204 "I asked the Prophet, 'Where was Allah before His creation?' Muhammad replied: 'He was in a cloud with no air underneath or above it.'"

Tabari I:219 "When Allah wanted to create the creation, He brought forth smoke from the water. The smoke hovered loftily over it. He called it 'heaven.' Then He dried out the water and made it earth. He split it and made it seven earths on Sunday. He created the earth upon a big fish, that being the fish mentioned in the Qur'an. By the Pen, the fish was in the water. The water was upon the back of a small rock. The rock was on the back of an angel. The angel was on a big rock. The big rock was in the wind. The fish became agitated. As a result, the earth quaked, so Allah anchored the mountains and made it stable. This is why the Qur'an says, 'Allah made for the earth firmly anchored mountains, lest it shake you up.'"

*** It should be apparent to even the most simple of minds, that BEFORE the CREATION, there could not have been either water, smoke or anything else for that matter. There really is not much to add upon the remainder of this 'creation' as explained by Muhammad, the 'greatest of all prophets' ***

Tabari I:232 "Gabriel brings to the sun a garment of luminosity from the light of Allah's Throne according to the measure of the hours of the day. The garment is longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, and of intermediate length in autumn and spring. The sun puts on that garment as one of you here puts on his clothes."

Tabari I:233 "When the Messenger was asked about that, he replied, 'When Allah was done with His creation He created two suns from the light of His Throne. His foreknowledge told Him that He would efface one and change it to a moon; so the moon is smaller in size."

*** As usual, Muhammad's thought processes and logic, leave a lot to be desired.

In this instance, 'When Allah was done with His creation', should mean that he FINISHED the process of creation; hence why did he CONTINUE with the creation of the Sun and the Moon, if he had already finished?

More over and even more important, since Muhammad is only plagiarising from the Bible regarding the process of CREATION, then yet again, he is wrong and misleading his ignorant listeners because in the Bible, the Sun and the Moon were ACTUALLY CREATED on the FOURTH DAY, and definitely NOT AFTER the CREATION.

Genesis 1: 14 God said, " let there be luminaries in the firmament of the heaven to separate between the day and the night; 15 and they shall serve a luminaries in the firmament of the heaven to shine upon earth" And it was so

16 And God made the two great luminaries, the greater luminary to dominate the day and the lesser to dominate the night,

19 and there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day"

Muhammad's Allah cannot possibly be the same as the God of Israel***

Tabari I:234 "Allah thus sent Gabriel to drag his wing three times over the face of the moon, which at the time was a sun. He effaced its luminosity and left the light in it. This is what Allah means:

[in Qur'an 17:12] 'We have blotted out the sign of the night, and We have made the sign of the day something to see by.' The blackness you can see as lines on the moon is a trace of the blotting."

Tabari I:234 "Then the Prophet said: 'For the sun and the moon, Allah created easts and wests on the two sides of the earth and the two rims of heaven. There are 180 springs in the west of black clay - this is why Allah's word says:

[18:86] "He found the sun setting in a muddy spring." The black clay bubbles and boils like a pot when it boils furiously.'"

Tabari I:235 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Allah created an ocean three farakhs (918 kilometers) removed from heaven. Waves contained, it stands in the air by the command of Allah. No drop of it is spilled. All the oceans are motionless, but that ocean flows at the speed of an arrow. The sun, moon and retrograde stars [planets] by which Allah swears in the Qur'an [81:15], run like the sun and moon and race. All of the other stars are suspended from heaven as lamps are from mosques, and circulate together praising Allah. The Prophet said, 'If you wish to have this made clear, look to the circulation of the sphere alternately here and there.'"

Tabari I:236 "Allah created two cities out in space, each with ten thousand gates, each 6 kilometers distant from the other. By Allah, were those people not so many and so noisy, all the inhabitants of this world would hear the loud crash made by the sun falling when it rises and when it sets. Gabriel took me to them during my Night Journey from the Sacred Mosque [the Ka'aba] to the Farthest Mosque [the none existant Jewish Temple in Jerusalem]. I told the people of these cities to worship Allah but they refused to listen to me

Tabari I:236 "'When the sun rises upon its chariot from one of those springs it is accompanied by 360 angels with outspread wings…. When Allah wishes to test the sun and the moon, showing His servants a sign and thereby getting them to obey, the sun tumbles from the chariot and falls into the deep end of that ocean. When Allah wants to increase the significance of the sign and frighten His servants severely, all of the sun falls and nothing of it remains in the chariot. That is a total eclipse of the sun. It is a misfortune for the sun.'"

Tabari I:244 "Allah then created for the sun a chariot with 360 handholds from the luminosity of the light of the Throne and entrusted 360 of the angels inhabiting the lower heaven with the sun and its chariot, each of them gripping one of those handholds. Allah also entrusted 360 angels with the moon."

Tabari I:332 "The sun and the moon were in eclipse for seven days and nights."

*** With such lucid depth of knowledge, one cannot possibly add any further comments to Muhammad's cosmic explanations ***

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Do not expect an answer to that question  . . . .

1. Bow down to or towards a man made idol - CHECK.

2. Make the Moon a central part of your religion - CHECK.

3. Unable to do any miracle - CHECK.

4. Make it justifiable to kill anyone that refuses to convert - CHECK.

ISLAM IS STARTING TO LOOK CLEARER AND CLEARER.

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seriously though, if the moon were hit by a meteor and ceased to exist, what effect would this have on your practices?

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@Backslider: if because the holy month is ushered in by the moon, and this make Allah a Moon God, what is the Yahweh, jehovah, Eloi, Eloihim since things in Christianity is ushered in by the calender, shall we not say Jehovah is Calender God? I want you people to start thinking rationally. I know it hurt the head, bringing about migraine or at least noticeable Headache!

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@bolsharp; « #73 on: September 05, 2009, 10:12 PM »

Do you think that if the muslims worshipped the idols at anytime, the idolators will be persecuting the muslims still, at that time? dont you know from logical inference that the idolators would have said that the muslims are now like them and there is no need for any persecution? Imagine at the time that SAul was reported to be persecuting the Christians, if the christians had done the things that would have made SAul happy, do you really think that Saul will be on his way to Damascus to go persecute the people under the authority there? a place different from the jurisdiction that he was a citizen of, another proof that he Saul was not honest in speech is almost as bad as a nigerian saying that he is going to go to Togo and haul back to nigeria for judgement, the non nigerian criminals there whose crimes were not committed again nigeria or nigerians and not on nigerian soil. he the nigerian is doing this so that they can be punished in Abuja, though they have no reason for nigeria to do this except that the nigerian zealot is determined to flex his muscles!

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Say that a million time more; it does not shake our steadfast belief.

Pure rubbish.

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Allah was the name of the principal though not the only deity in pre-Islamic pagan Mecca. He stood supreme over and above all the other gods just as the Ka'ba was pre eminent among the other sanctuaries - also called Ka'ba(s) - of Arabia.

He was Lord of Mecca.

In reality, Allah is NOT the[b] God of Israel[/b], but the PERSONAL NAME of the 'divine spirit' that according to the beliefs of the pagan Arabs,RESIDED in the Black Stone meteorite - embedded in the wall of the Ka'ba - that was VENERATED by the pagan Arabians long before Muhammad and his Quran.

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Nezan if you believe bollsharp or yusuf ali, then the 3rd generation, and the 2nd generation, and 1st generation and definitely the Messenger, each and all together are better. Definitely the Angel is better, and definitely Allah is Best. In the Quran we see abrogated verses are kept, so that what was abrogated is kept for usage, as applicable.

What is funny is that the "satanic verses" remains missing, because it was never was, as we see that drinking was abrogated in sequence, leaving each stage in the Quran. How about abrogation of adoption which lead to a divorce of Zainab from Zaid, and Muhammad (AS) marrying not a virgin anymore woman, whom he could have easily married while a virgin, but paid her dower for his "adopted son," a slave of his whom he honored by adopting him, in the time before prophethood, emancipated him from slavery, not lke what you have in the up from slavery.

Surah Azhab declares that Allah is not shy or ashame to tell, while Muhammd (AS) may be mild in manner to say anything. If there is anything satanic, as a verse in Quran the Most Powerful would have mentioned it, if He did not destroy satan right away because of His own commitment to give Shaitan time till the end of the children of Adam, at least Shaitan would have been humilated, right there, to serve as another proof of the office of prophethood of Muhammad! In at least one place in the Quran, "Surah Shuara", I think, in this surah Allah says when you are to begin Quran seek "safety of Allah against the accursed Shaitan!" The embodiment of Quran is Muhammad (AS), how could it have been possible to start recitation without saying "audhu billahi minal shaitaani rajim?" Every muslim who recites Quran knows that if they begin without this, they do not feel comfortable. At least I dont!

Nezan, and company, whether ignorant muslims, big fake or real sheikh, or the biggest scholars from he non Muslims, it does not matter, continue to lead yourself to jahannam! Each minutes gets you, individually or as a group close to the appointed time. I seek Allah Mercy and protection against this destiny of doom.

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@Tpia: « #84 on: Today at 04:00:36 PM »

@No2Atheism (m): « #85 on: Today at 04:06:32 PM »

1. Bow down to or towards a man made idol - CHECK. Then Joseph was a man made idol to Jacob and the whole family, when they arrived in Egypt. I will leave my answer at this because if i used Jesus and the three wise men, as man made idol and worshippers, you will be angree for sure

2. Make the Moon a central part of your religion - CHECK. The Jews made the Sun the central part of their religion while you make the Gregorian Calendar as well as the changing of the season as the cetral of your religion. Now who is dealing with less than celestral object as the central part of their religion?

3. Unable to do any miracle - CHECK. Did Moses perform a miracle of his own? No! Did Jesus say he out of his own power can go anything? No! I wonder if you remember that Jesus was asking his Creator (i know you will deny that he was created and you will never give proof, though!) to help him and even take the cup away from his head? I say all of this to let you know that while every miracles of Moses was from the Creator, the same miracles from Muhammad were from Creator, then you guys say Jesus miracles are from him, when he said "of my own I can do nothing"?

4. Make it justifiable to kill anyone that refuses to convert - CHECK. whoisallah on nairaland left Islam and he remains within his family and they have not tried to kill him, yet. You just make things up as you go, no?

ISLAM IS STARTING TO LOOK CLEARER AND CLEARER. and those who have eyes will know that the Creator is One, and not 3 pieces of gods, no?

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Funny indeed ! You can only tell that to the ignorant christian who believe whatever gibberish they are told. If i say christian worship pig, does that makes anything realistic ? You can say whatever you feel like saying, only the fools would believe you. Am proud to say this

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'say (O Muhammad) 'Allah is one, Allah is self sufficient master whom all creatures need. He begots not, nor was He begotten. And there is none co equal or comparable to Him' Quran 112:1-4

'verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be ascribed to Him in worship, He forgives except that, to whom He pleases and whoever ascribed partner to Allah in worship, has indeed invented a tremendous sin' Quran 4:48

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as 4 d 99 names, which arabian idol is bearing Ar-Rahman. as 4 it been rebuilt, it was rebuilt once after prophet death.

as 4 abu suffyan, he was an open enemy of islam b4 d year of conquest. he was 1 of those who forced the prophet 4 migration. 4 d hajj steps it was done by abraham, hajar,ishmael. 4 d black stone,kissing or touching it is not a must.

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Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

read surah 53:18-31

you made the greatest mistake uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm,

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Let us stop arguing. There is a group of people who know the answer. Go ask those belonging to the Boko Haram sect.

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@sleek29: They did what Jesus did alright! They god married and they did not nail themselves to the cross, and they never turned the oter sleek, oh sorry, the other cheek, I mean! When will you start on any of these on my lst of things to do? I know I can't get $Osisi to do the remain a VIRGIN thing. She already became a mother, still a young girl though!

Sleek29, maybe if Islamic God is moon god because muslims do everything by the moon, what is the christian gods are; seasonal gods or calender gods, since these are the two things that you use for your events? I want an answer from you. And am still waiting for the Former and another Comformers' identities! lol.

You think that you can hide from me? You will be pressed hard from here on end.

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Jesus never claimed to establish Christianity on earth and never called

himself a Christian. The word Christian is mentioned only three

times in the New Testament. The first time by pagans and Jews

in Antioch about 43 A.D., long after Jesus had left this earth.

Read in Acts 11:26: “, And the disciples were called Christians

first in Antioch.”

So the name Christian was first given by foes rather than friends.

My question is, what is the so calle Christians called prior to Antioch incident?

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@olorunibe, they were known as disciples,apostles, brethren,followers and they were called christains because they did the same things Christ did

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@Nezan: Its not done like that. It is forbidden to unjustly take a life. And you should not wish for death, either. I still have at least 7 decades to of good health and sound mind, InshaAllah to spend on this earth! Yet I do not want anyone who is younger than me to die in my lifetime.

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@Ibnsalam: How long do we have to wait, before you can bring out, from the Qur'an where "Muhammad (AS)," said that he was commanded to worship the Lord of "this city?" We should not have to wait for too long! But the way you are carrying on, we may just have to wait "indefinitely."

I will not count on you coming back with anything tangibly debatable! Davidylan*, since you can say "Hear, Hear," to Ibnsalam's lies, I wonder if you should not be counted among the liars, here with Ibnsalam? Unless you can restore your own dignity by going into the Qur'an and get for us, where "Muhammad 9AS), said"; I have been commanded to worship the Lord of this City (Makka)!

Does IbnSalam knows what he is saying? From his presentation, it seems that he is saying that "Muhammad (AS)," is the author of the Qur'an? But the Qur'an says that Muhammad is an Unlettered Messenger/Prophet. The Qur'an further stated that the whole Qur'an is from Allah, taught to Muhammad by the one powerful (Malaika Jibril (AS)). Is it not that IbnSalam is a ig time liar here, otherwise he would have come back in a quick New York minute to defend himself.

Oh, he is one of those who writes but never hangs around long enough to read the reply to his deceit!

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@Olaadegbu: Check out the fact, in the Qur'an about what is stated about the "Moon." Didn't Prophet Muhammad split the moon, into two, as a clear sign of his Prophethood to his people?

I guess, you Christian love to split your god, into many gods! In this case three!

We in Islam do not have a multiple gods, nor do we have the power or right to

split our Creator! Hence, the fact that Muhammad (AS), splitted the moon to two

clearly shows that the moon is nothing both a "tool," and not a god of any kind!

Well of course, as a sign of his prophethood, as fulfilled to the Makkans, the moon

was split! It is almost like the promised sign of "Jesus," in the Bible! But not quite

because the three days and three night was not quite accurate; from Friday evening

to just dawn on Sunday! Do the math bro. And you also said he died, but Jonas, who

was a miraculous similitude to Jesus, did not die in the belly of the Whale!

Who is the liar, here? You or him? I say it is you and the Bible writers!

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Checkout the facts in the powerpoint presentation in the weblink below:

http://www.evidenceforchristianity.org/images/stories/mosdl/islam1.ppt

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Facts are facts whether we like them or not. The Arabic word for God is NOT "Allah" but "Ilah". 'Allah' is a contration of two words 'al' which means 'the' and 'ilah' which means 'god' - whether small capital or small capital, it is the same. In the Quran, Muhammad says he has been commanded to worship "the god of this city (Mecca)" Each Arabian town had its own territorial god. If a Muslim disagrees with this, we would help them go to the archive and dig out facts - some from the Qur'an. We don't need to defend our faith just because we are devoted to it. If does not stand the test of historical facts, we would be sensible enough to say, "OK, I see. I must rethink."

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@topic

You're right. Allah is the Moon God of the ancient Arab pagan religion. An impersonation of God.

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If a man believes that Jesus christ died and rose up for his justification and will confess the LORDSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST,

HE' SHALL BE SAVED.

Even if Osama believes the above he'll be waving to u Allah guyz from heaven on that day, so make a decision today.

Jesus is at the door of ur heart knocking irrespective of how GOOD OR BAD U ARE!

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@babyosis

Ok madam. Accepted.

Ok brother. I will be looking forward to hearing from you

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@babs787

Point of correction you have not refuted anything. But because of the exchange of hard language that is why I had to step back when this arguement is over I will come and we shall finish this.

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Thanks batu,blabs thinks he can deceive people any longer.

read this from the site above,what Allah originally told mo before he conquered the pagans when he was wooing converts to his new religion and even said Christians were friends of his and then changed it when he gained superiority over then and then claimed Mo was possesed by the devil when he wrote it.

blabs we know what the passage now says,what did it originally say?

What Did the Qur’an Originally Say?

The Star Sura (Sura 53) verses 19-20 say, "Have ye seen Lat, and ‘Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat?"

Allah was prominent in Pre-Islamic Arabia, as a god with three daughters: al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat. (Note that al- means "the".)

The four early biographers of Muhammad wrote that they verses originally were followed by:

"These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) Whose intercession is to be hoped for."

Interpretation: Allah’s daughters were considered heavenly beings of intercessors. High altitude Numidian cranes were a metaphor for them. An alternate reading for "is to be hoped for" (turtaja) is "is accepted with approval" (turtada). (From Alfred Guillaume’s translation of Ibn Ishaq’s The Life of Muhammad p.166.

Later, this passage was taken out and the following was put in its place:

"What! For you the male sex, And for him, the female? Behold, such would be Indeed a division Most unfair." (verses 53:21-22 today)

Interpretation: Those who believed in Allah’s three daughters were unfair toward Allah, since they all preferred sons yet said that Allah had only daughters.

These are what have been termed "The Satanic Verses". In modern times Salmon Rushdie used only this term as the title in his unrelated and fictional "novel", and this paper does not discuss that modern tale. As for the original Satanic verses, how can an objective Muslim or non-Muslim tell which verses were originally in? The rest of this paper gives direct and indirect evidence that the Satanic verses were originally there, and nine Muslim objections.

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any of you so called debunking happened on your bunk not on this forum.

This Allah slave sef

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@batu

Posted by batu

Backslider mentioned the Allah "daughter-gate" scandal, and blabs787 as always requests for the verse.

You didnt put "h" before th word "as"

Should we call the above error of ommission or deliberate ommission? We are now seeing the real blabber.

@batu d bante & babysin,

Thanks so much for tendering your 'ignorance'. It should have been your middle name.You should have told babs to explain the verse to you rather than being childish. By the way where are those christians that have been pasting biased posts all these while? But they never see this bante quoting verse out of context.

I laugh when I read any post by Christians condemning the word “Allah” but never ponder at least for a second on why we have the word oxccuring in Arabic bibles and in seventeen (17) different languages only for the Arabs! In those bibles, there is no single place where you will find the word “God” but only Allah yet these ignorants condemned the word ‘Allah’. Those that are supposed to be accused of paganism are accusing another person of same.

The name “Allah” has been used by all Prophets since Adam until Muhammed (saw). It is a contraction of the two Arabic words “Al-Illah” i.e, “The God”. By dropping the letter “I”, you will find the word “Allah”. According to its position in an Arabic sentence it can have the form “Allaha”, which is close to the Hebrew name of the Creator, i.e “Eloha”. But the Jews wrongly use the plural form “Elohim” which denotes more than one God. The word “Allaha” sounds closer to the Aramaic word for God used by Jesus, namely “Alaha” (see Encyclopedia Britanica 1980 under ‘Allah” and “Elohim”.

Now to the verse

One common argument or claim put forth by Christians today is that the Quran claims that Allah has 3 daughters, those daughters being the pagan godesses of Lat, Manat, and Al-Uzza. Does the Quran actually state that Allah has three daughters?

Quran 53 V19: Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-Uzza (two idols of the pagan arabs)

Quran 53V20: And Manat (another idol of the pagan arabs), the other third?

Christians love to quote these two verses and then stop, the question I will ask both of you now is 'why do you stop there? Is your holy spirit too afraid to quote the rest of the passages? Since you all claim to be inspired by the holy spirit then what is the holy spirit hiding here? Let us now quote the rest of the passages:

Quran 53 v 21

What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

Quran 53 v 22

Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

Quran 53 v 23

V23: They are but names which you have named – you and your fathers – for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

So had you care to carry on,you would have seen that Allah exposes you making such a lie! Allah tells you that the pagans have invented these false idols, and that it is something corrupt.

Why not quote the rest? In fact I will not hold you responsible for such deceit, but I will hold the holy spirit responsible. Christians claim the holy spirit inspires them, if that is true then the holy spirit is inspiring them to be untruthful, and to be distorters of truth, and to try and make up a lie. And such actions cannot be coming from a holy being, rather such action is inspired by someone called satan, because only satan inspires people to make a lie against Allah and his Noble Quran.

So keep it up with your Satan friend and continue wallowing in your ignorance and quoting out of context.

So I leave you with these questions

1. What language did jesus speak?

2. Is Jesus aware of the name 'God'?

3. Why the use of the name "Allah" for "God" in Arabic bibles?

3. Is God of the OT the same as that of NT?

When you have time, go through the verses quoted for you hereunder:

Quran 53 v 1: By the star when it goes down (or vanishes)

V2: Your companion (Muhammed saw) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

V3: Nor does he speak of (his own) desire

V4: It is only a Revelation revealed

V5: He has been taught (this Quran) by one mighty in power (Jibril)

V6: One free from any defect in the body and mind then he (Jibril) rose and became stable

V7: While he (Jibril-Gabriel) was in the highest part of the horizon,

V8: Then he (Jibril) approached and came closer

V9: And was at a distance of two bows’ length or (even) near

V10: So Allah revealed to His slave (Muhammed saw) through Jibril (Gabriel) whatever he revealed.

V11: The (Prophet’s) heart lied in what he (Muhammed saw) saw.

V12: Will you then dispute with him (Muhammed) about what he saw (during the ascension to the seven heavens)

V13: And indeed he (Muhammed saw) saw him (Gabriel) at a second descent (i.e. another time)

V14: Near Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (a lote tree of the utmost boundary over the seventh haven beyond which none can pass)

V15: Near it is the Paradise of Abode

V16: When that covered the lot-tree which did cover it

V17: The sight (of Prophet Muhammed saw) turned not aside (right or left), nor it transgressed beyond the limit (ordained for it)

V18: Indeed he (Muhammed saw) did see of the Greatest signs, of his Lord (Allah)

V19: Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-Uzza (two idols of the pagan arabs)

V20: And Manat (another idol of the pagan arabs), the other third?

V21: Is it for you the males and for Him the females?

V22: That indeed is a division most unfair!

V23: They are but names which you have named – you and your fathers – for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

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Dear brother,

You said I dont know what I am quoting. Its ok. But I asked you, if muslims worship Kaaba because they face it, what of David in the verse below. Do we say he also worshipped the Temple?

I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (Psalm 138:2)"

Now to the issue of quoting from the bible, you would have noticed that I have not been quoting from the books of those you mentioned simply because they are not the one I am dealing with.

It is a fact that if I quote from my Quran, you will never believe me, so I have to use what you believe in to talk to you.

If you can do likewise for me, its ok and if not, no problem.

Posted by backslider

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Why does Allah swear by what he created ?

The Quran mention the daughters of Allah

I already know of the above, it was raised sometime by Shahan but will want you to give me the verse(s) of the daughter of Allah and I will respond to your two questions please. Also, to you, what does the swearing mean?

Maa Salam

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@Backslider and blabs787 and others,

(A) Backslider mentioned the Allah "daughter-gate" scandal, and blabs787 as always requests for the verse. I now provide the quranic verse and results of further research on the three daughter goddess of Allah called al-lat, al-Uzza and Mannat. Enjoy:

(an-najim Sura 53:19-22):

Near is the garden of abode. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded in mystery unspeakable; His sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! For truly did he see, of the signs of his Lord, the Greatest!  Have ye seen "Lat and Uzzah, And another, the third goddess, Mannat"? These are the exalted cranes (intermediates) whose intercession is to be hoped for.  What! for you the males sex, and for Him, the females? Behold, such would be a division most unfair!

[Note: muhammed later claimed that the line in red colour above was given to him by satan, and it was "deleted" from the koran, but the rest remained till today in the koran, even the names of the daughter goddesses]

(B) And now for some explanation on who or what are al-Lat, al-Uzzah and Mannat, read this:

Allah is the name of the only God in Islam. It was also the name of the chief god among the numerous idols in the Kaaba in Mecca. Many believe the word was derived from the middle eastern word "el" which in Ugaritic, Caananite and Hebrew can mean a true or false God. According to the encyclopedia of Religion, Allah corresponded to the Babylonian god Baal, and Arabs knew of him long before Muhammad worshipped him as the supreme. Allah was the god of the local Qurish tribe of whom was Muhammad's tribe before he invented Islam to lead his people out of their polytheism. Allah was known as the Moon God, of which he had 3 daughters who were viewed as intercessors for the people into Allah. Their names were Al-Lat, Al-uzza, and Al-Manat, which were three goddesses. Hubal (Ba3l) was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. The Kaabah in Mecca is also named Beit-Allah (House of Allah). The Koran Tells us that Muhammad drove the other idols away; he made one God now the only god and he was its messenger. Muhammad used the name Allah, which was of a specific idol without ever distinguishing it from the idol the Meccans were already worshipping… These names show the devotion of Muhammad's pagan roots, and also prove that Allah was part of a polythiestic system of worship before Allah was made the supreme and only god from the other God's. This should be proof to the pre Islamic root of the name of Allah to the Muslim, remember they were pagans who use this name. The crescent moon was the symbol of the moon God Allah and is used as a symbol of Islam today. Today there is "hardly" a Muslim that knows it's origin. It was an ancient pagan fertility symbol that is found throughout the middle east.

So therefore, need we say more about the idolatory called Islam?

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@brother Babs787

Yes you can quote the bible it is your moral right to do so. but you must know how to do so. The same book you condemn it is the same book and No other you use to back your claims. Why not book on Shintoism Budha or other eastern books?

The fact is that Islam is trying to cloth himself in The bible and it comes to claim that it is a book has been corrupted. You can do nothing but quote the bible.

My sadness is that You dont know what you are quoting.

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The Quran mention the daughters of Allah

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@backslider,

My respectable brother.

We worship Allah in His Grand Temple/House.   We never worship the House itself!

The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in.

Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall.

Lets check some verses

Quran 2 v 144: indeed, we see you look repeatedly towards heaven. We will make you turn towards a Qiblah that will please you. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque, wherever you are, turn your faces to it. Those to whom the Book was given know this to be the truth from their Lord, Allah is watching over all actions…

Quran 2 v 146: those whom we gave the book know him as they know their sons. But some of them deliberately conceal the truth. The truth is from your Lord, therefore never doubt it…

Quran 2 v 148: whichever way you depart, face towards the sacred mosque. This is surely the truth from your Lord. Allah is never headless of what you do.

Quran 2 v 149: whichever way you depart, face towards the sacred mosque and wherever you are, face towards it, so that men will have no plea against you except the evil doers among them.

Allah said we should not worship neither sun nor moon

Quran 41 v 37: among his signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. BUT DO NOT PROSTRATE YOURSELVES before the sun or the moon, rather prostrates yourselves before Allah who created them both, if you would truly serve HIM

To Abraham

"Behold!  We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House (i.e., the Kaaba), (Saying):  'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer).  And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;   (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)"

Now brother, sorry for giving you bible verses, just to buttress my points

Ezekiel 8 v 16: and he brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord, and behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men, with their backs to the temple of the Lord and their faces towards the east, worshipping the sun towards the east,

I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

etc,

Do you say they are worshipping the temple because they faced it?

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@ babs787

TO YOUR QUESTION

If muslims worship moon as deity in times of darkness, what do they worship during day time when there is no moon?

The REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MOON god KABBAH

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@babyosis,

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

Why not be honest babyosis? Why not write the verse out for people to read.

Bring out the verse above in which Allah told muslims to worship idols.

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A) In Qura’n there are at least a dozen verses in which Allah repeatedly swears by the names such as moon, sun, stars, planets, night, wind etc. It is a mystery why the creator Allah (?) should swear by his creations. Normally, we swear by the name of something much superior to us, such as we swear by God or by the name of our father (who is considered senior or superior to us). But we never swear by the name of something inferior to us. Here in the Quran swearing fashions of Allah (God) by moon or stars hinting us that Allah considered these things superior to himself. And this makes us to think (otherwise) as to who actually acted as Allah in Quran? However, in his explanation of why the Qur’an swears by the moon in Surah 74:32, “Nay, verily by the Moon,” Yusuf Alli comments, “The moon was worshipped as a deity in times of darkness”(fn. 5798, pg. 1644). Perhaps, this swearing of Allah was due to the usual/cultural habits of worshipping moon as their God in pagan customs.

A question for you here.

If muslims worship moon as deity in times of darkness, what do they worship during day time when there is no moon?

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This thread reminds me of that wise saying,"IF YOU LIVE IN A GLASSHOUSE,DON'T THROW STONES".

Most of the muslims and christians on this board,unfortunately, don't even realise that they are living in glasshouses,hence all the stonethrowing,and smashing of each other's glasshouses, going on on this religion forum.

The question is,"DOES THE WORLD REALLY NEED THESE TWO SEPARATIST RELIGIONS THAT ALWAYS SEEK TO SET HUMANS AGAINST EACH OTHER?".Going by what i see on this thread everyday,methinks not.

If it is within my power,i will wipe out these two useless religions(islam and christianity) and help introduce a religion that will unite mankind in peace,love,and harmony.

These two religions are really and truely played out.

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The concept of the holy trinity is also very pagan.Ancient egyptian paganism to be more precise,see.

Original (Egyptian) trinity version;

-The Father(OSIRIS)

-The mother(ISIS)

-The child(HORUS)

That is free education for you.

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