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Was Mary,mother Of Jesus Crucified?

With all due respect to the Catholics, i need to know what this picture stands for. what are the marks? what is the sign of the heart? does the mark signify that the Mother of Jesus was crucified also? Guys what do you say?

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Well, you have also refused to understand what Paul meant by Scripture in this passage (written about 320 years before the bible was compiled and approved) -->

God bless you too.

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I repeat: go and preach to your divided and juju-wielding pentecostal brothers. Leave the united Catholics alone.

Save these fairy tales for your children and grand children.

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From this post, I realise that you find it difficult to understand that Paul and all the other writers of the books of the bible were only the mouthpieces of God. All scripture was inspired by Him, old or new testament. The reason why God did not get a pen and a paper to write down the bible where He is in heaven and then throw it down to the earth for men on the earth whom He has given the ability and intellect to do the same is not far-fetched.

The only way I have contradicted myself on this thread is by arguing, when I earlier stated that I would not. Hence as a sign of my dignity and self-respect, I shall no longer engage in any argument on this particular thread. It's not because I don't have anything to say.

And finally, God bless you.

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The bible should be its own interpreter by comparing the different bible version s

the pagan Romans Christianized their idols and gods into Christianity by changing and given they Christian names

and calling them saints as well these same roman became leaders and head of the roman churches

and persecuted the true Christians back then during the DARK AGES and these same leaders tried to corrupt the original

scriptures then by emperor CONSTANTINE AND EMPEROR JEROME who brought in the Latin Vulgate bible

and the rest of the books you see in the roman catholic bible.

The catholic church as an entity is the sit of the devil himself just as it is stated in rev 17 vs 9 all other churches

like the Cele churches u mentioned took cue form it been they re the daughters of the great prostitute rev 17 vs 5

it is on record that it is only the Vatican city which is the sit of the pope is sitted on seven hills WHILE Israel is surrounded by hills

and when we translate the Latin word VATICAN CITY TO ENGLISH we will have thus;

vatis can which means DIVINE SERPENT does it ring a bell

on 2 Tim ch3 vs 15 - 17

the new testament re basically letters written to the newly established churches or individuals and 14 of these letters were by Paul

James wrote 1, peter wrote 2, john wrote 3 , Jude also wrote 1 plus the 4 gospel and the book of Revelation.

the letter written by Paul forms the bulk of the NT we ve 2day, throught the inspiration of the the holy spirt.

dont 4get that both the OT and NT made reference to one another to tell that it is been inspired by

one and the same holy spirit.

IMHOTEP

you re too raw with Ur words just as AKO said pls try to be as wise as the serpent but as gentle

as the dove.

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Juju is outrightly condemned in the bible. Take your bible, go to the Cele churches, preach to them. They are bible-believing Christians like you. Charity begins at home.

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HEY  MARY WAS NOT THE ONLY WOMAN PRONOUNCED BLESSED IN THE BIBLE

PLEASE KINDLY READ THE BOOK OF JUDGES ch 5 vs24 it read;

most blessed of woman be JAEL the wife of Haber the kenite.most blessed of tent dwelling woman. (niv)

please compare these verse with other bible version for more cclarification

so Elizabeth was quoting these verse from the old testament when she was addressing Mary.

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Remove the log in your eye. First, go and preach to your Cele bible-believing church that mix Christianity and juju.

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The caption under the picture posted above stated thus;

mary co redemptrix means ; mary is a co redeedmer with jesus christ

madiatrix of all graces means ; mary is the mediator of the grace of GOD

advocate means ; mary stands in on our behalf before GOD

All these re catholic believes and it is blasphemy it contradict the entire 66 books of the bible

for more of these kindly look for these book titled THE GREAT CONTROVERSY by Ellen white.

and also another book titled BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION

there u ll be surprised to know the genesis of all controversy in religion.

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No passage in the bible supports this your claim - and you contradict YOUR sola scriptura.

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Let me repeat my earlier post

The bible was compiled and approved about 320 years after Paul wrote this to letter Timothy. Paul never saw the bible as it is today. So, which scripture was Paul referring to??

Obviously here, and in most references to "the Scriptures" that we find in the New Testament, Paul is speaking of the Old Testament. If this passage is going to be used to set the limits on inspired authority, then the entire New Testament will be excluded.

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How am I contradicting myself? You said that I should provide evidence that the NT was 'somehow' given to Paul. And I did just that. If you are talking about me saying the OT is as authentic as the NT, they both constitute scripture/the bible. So what makes them equally authentic is the word 'all'.

God bless you.

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These are YOUR own words. Not supported by your own principle of sola scriptura.

You are contradicting yourself.

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I'm not sure of what you mean by 'list'. I still refer to 2 Timothy 3:15-17. All scripture was given. If it was given then obviously there had to be a recipient. All that Paul wrote in the new testament was given "by the inspiration of God".

God knew the whole bible. And generally speaking, the OT is not more or less authentic than the NT. I'm sure you know that. God bless.

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You are trying to claim that the list of books in the NT were somehow revealed to Paul . That he was somehow referring to this list of books in the letter to Timothy,

And I ask:

- can you show me biblical evidence for this claim (since you believe in sola scriptura)?

- or is this just your personal opinion?

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The Someone was referring to God not Paul. Paul obviously did not write the whole of the NT.

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Where is it in the bible that the ALL the books of the New Testament were revealed to Paul? And that Paul was writing about these new additions in his letter to Timothy??

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Moses never saw Adam, but he wrote the book of Genesis. It was revealed to him.

The scripture in Timothy says ALL SCRIPTURE. Using a natural example, God is the boss and the various people that wrote books of the bible are secretaries. At the end of the day, it is not the secretary that gets praise for the work. The writers of the bible are only mouthpieces of Someone who knows ALL things and showed it to them whether they were/were going to be there or not.

God bless you.

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Paul never saw the bible we have now, he was referring to the OT.

And you still have not interpreted 2 Timothy 3:15-17.

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Sorry I don't think so. Jesus for example taught His disciple about things that were never going to happen in their lifetimes e.g. the signs of the end.

Secondly, the Holy Spirit knew that it would not be possible to update the bible so certain things were put by Him for 'future reference'.

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If, by sola scriptura, you are referring to this passage =>

Then there is one outstanding problem: the bible was compiled and approved about 320 years after Paul wrote this to letter Timothy. So, which scripture was Paul referring to??

Obviously here, and in most references to "the Scriptures" that we find in the New Testament, Paul is speaking of the Old Testament; so if this passage is going to be used to set the limits on inspired authority, then the entire New Testament will be excluded.

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I also suggest that you consider this scripture->

John 17:17 ---->

"Sanctify them through thy truth, thy WORD is TRUTH"

That's why anything that is not 'sola scriptura' can never be 100% reliable like 'sola scriptura'.

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I suggest you find out the real meaning of this ->

John 16:13 --->

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth"

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There are a lot of things that people in the 'catholic' (sure u understand the quote by now) church have misinterpreted by their own reasoning of things. I don't want to go into any more details because I didn't  write in this thread to argue. Arguing here is quite pointless. Especially when the person you are contending with knows all your arguments and have their own counter-arguments ready to fire back. And they are also responsible adults that have the right to their own opinions, correct and incorrect alike. Notwithstanding, no argument can change the TRUTH.

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Well said my brother. My only problem is why protestants assure themselves of their faith simply by ATTACKING catholics.

It reeks of doubt and insecurity.

Would this imply that the Holy Spirit stopped acting in the Catholic church after the Synod of Hippo in 393 AD?

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@ Imhotep.

I see that you have been emphasizing this whole issue about the Catholic church being the most organised, quote and unquote, of the 33,001 sects. I would just like to state for the record that God never created denomination. It is all man's idea. Now as for the reason why the 'protestants' and 'anglicans and 'baptists' and what have you refuse to give Mary any special honor, or pray to/through her etc, there is an origin to every 'denominational' school of thought.

I do not see myself as being part of any denomination. I cannot be called a catholic because I do not believe that Mary should be prayed through nor worshipped nor given equal respect as any member of the Godhead. This is simply because I do not see that in any part of my bible, Jesus in teaching us how to pray did not talk about Mary, none of the rest of the New Testament books say anything about her (I think). And then most importantly, I believe in 'sola scriptura', because my bible tells me that ALL scripture was inspired by God. (for the 'catholics' understanding, we could say that the Holy Spirit was the one who gave the people at the Synod of Hippo the exact books to add to the bible, probably because those were the only books that were inspired by Him). Any other thing as far as i'm concerned is not 100% reliable/ as reliable as the bible.

I do not see myself as being a part of any sect. I just run with exactly what the scriptures say. Any other thing, quotable quotes, philosophy etc that you may want to add must have a scriptural foundation. And most importantly, we must all (esp sysuser) come to a reality of the fact that every man is entitled to his/her belief system. We are permitted to strongly disagree (like I do with the sect that men have chosen to call 'catholics') but my dear brother Sysuser, attacking their beliefs with sentiments involved is not going to convince them. It is only embarrassing you (and me) more and more. If god were to treat you the way you treat them every time you did something He did not agree with, you would be dead by now. There is no argument that does not have a valid counter-argument so people are bound to always disagree.

And finally, i am not a 'catholic' neither am I a member of the '33,000' other sects. Infact imhotep, I must commend you for your reserch, quite enlightening, and disturbing. So many 'sects', so many churches, so many preachers and yet very little difference between the people of God and the others.

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Good. Just that the good Lord hears us EVERYTIME, not only when we pray. And he can read your thoughts right now as per the Catholic church and Mary. Do you feel me?

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Try this. When next you pray, say to Jesus ==> Lord, l love you so much; but I think your mother is a useless woman.

@ imhotep

I think you got a seriuos problem, I have great respect for mary, she gave birth to Jesus, She's blessed amogst women. May God have mercy on you for your contempt. I see nothing wrong in given honor to mary, she deserves it, but the fact that she's been addressed as a mediator, termed queen of heaven, mother of the church etc. I have respect for the catholic church but have my differences, the church is sefless dedicated in preaching the gospel and sacrificial services than any church I know. Every church has it's problems.

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Try this. When next you pray, say to Jesus ==> Lord, l love you so much; but I think your mother is a useless woman.

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We as christians are expected to reason with the teachings of Jesus, Read and understand about the gospel of the new testament and then you will know in your heart the truth. Dont be totally blinded by dogma,. Jesus never would allow such address to his mum, he even calls her "WOMAN". Jesus is our only mediator to God, it's clear in the bible. You see the problem is the fact that the church christianity was hijacked and then modified by pagans, to suit there preference, that is why we have all these about mary this and mary that, read about history of rome thier religion, you will have an idea. Rome adopted christianty and being the world power, enforced christianity as the empires religon, they tried as much as they could to uphold the core christian values, but still left some patches.

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thank gtunery

People like u are much more welcome to catholic church

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Let me tell you something, I do attend mass, my girlfriend was catholic, so I took keen interest in knowing what the chuch is all about. The catholic, has contributed alot to the emergence of christianity, ever since it was made the national religion of the Roman empire. The catholic church was the second national church at that time around the 4th century ad, the first was the armenian church which was made a  national religion of armenia 20 years before the catholic church. The catholic church was very much responsibel in compiling the bible, and many other practices used today in churches world wide. Although the church accepts Jesus as lord and savior, but the highest authority under heaven is from the vatican, they regard the church as the higest authority under heaven, so what the church decrees is what will stand. The divinity given to mary is just too gigantic she's a servant of God, a vessel, God uses human beings to carry out his mission on earth, so how can mary be addressed as such,. I have many differences with their belief but they preach the gospel and thats what important.

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Sysuser and co must learn to live with this -->

Luke 1:48 -->

For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

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No amount of fanaticism and biblical mis-interpretation can get anyone to heaven.

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smile4kenn, stop living in lala land

yours words are not the truth,  hence they mean nothing to me.

the bible is the only truth.

unfortunately for you, the bible contradicts your words.

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You can recieve more Grace from God through the Immaculate Heart of Mary

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@SYS, i see my replying to you is earning more insults and sin, i will keep on praying for you and people like you on nairaland.

I will not give you any quote from the Bible because we are not argueing about the world of god, I am only telling you some truths and advice

One love ma Broda,

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Being an insecure, misguided fanatic does not guarantee your salvation either.

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SALVATION OF THE SOUL IS NOT ABOUT A WAY OF LIFE, how sad that you don't understand and comprehend the magnitude of what it means for a soul to perish in hell,

God considers that the salvation of man was so important that He gave His only begotten son, TO COME AND DIE AS A REPLACEMENT SACRIFISE , SO THAT MAN COULD BE BROUGTH BACK TO GOD,

PLEASE UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

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Sysuser is deeply insecure and jealous of the organization of the Catholic Church. He wants us to join one of his demented 33,000 sects who cannot resolve the simple tithing issue.

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@SYS

People like you are seen as the cause of discrimination and religious crisis in the world today. People like you believe your culture and religion are the best. Open your eyes, Face the real world, Stop discriminating about other poeple's way of life, Your bible tells you not to judge, Your tongue can lead you to straight hell.

Everything you have read about the catholic and catholism is written by people like you. You have been brain washed about catholic church. you have been poisoned about catholic church. Forget about your so called "Satan Churches" and face the real world around you. What shall it profit you of discriminating other religions on nairaland. What gives you the right to insult our Mother Mary, if she is meaningless to you, please do try and understand that She is an Art of Adoration and Honor to some other people,

Thank twice Sys, think about the world among you,

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once again (every catholic and catholic apologist) should get it into their heads that:

MARY IS NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD

The world was created through Jesus Christ, GOD does not have a mother!

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

MARY IS NOT AN INTERCESSOR

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

MARY IS[b] NOT TO BE PRAYED TO

MARY CANNOT FORGIVE YOUR SINS

SALVATION IS NOT THROUGH MARY, but only THROUGH JESUS CHRIST

MARY HERSELF MUST BE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST

MARY WAS NOT A PERPETUAL VIRGIN, she gave birth others children after giving birth to baby Jesus.

MARY IS NOT THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, RATHER JESUS CHRIST IS.[/b]

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

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@reloading, this is not a laughing matter

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smile4kenn, in case pleading Seun against me is not enough for you , maybe you can petition the pope and his military unit (Jesuits) to shut me.

A million hail maries would not save your soul,

WAKE UP YOU HAVE BEEN DEEPLY DECEIVED TO THINK THAT,

GOD WOULD NEVER GIVE HIS GLORY TO ANY MAN,

MARY IS NEVER GOD , WOULD NEVER BE GOD AND CAN NEVER BE GOD, MARY CAN NEVER FORGIVE YOUR SINS,

its funny to see that the catholic church has classified sin into different categories even though i can't see anything backing that up in the bible, NA WA O,

smile4kenn, instead of swirl around in the pool of vermin called the catholic church, take pains to read through what i have posted, compare it to what you have been fed with , then come back and tell me whether the catholic church is more correct and accurate than the bible itself.

Otherwise keep your peace and listen to God, who has already done everthing needed to bring you out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light, yet you are dragging yourself deeper and deeper into the kingdom of darkness how sad

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Lmao perhaps Seun will interchange "mary" with some other word liek "Queen Of Heaven" or some thing

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Acts 4:12

12. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men

       by which we must be saved."

Jesus said"WHATSOEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER IN MY NAME ,HE WILL DO"

                                         

                                             also in MARK 11

22"Have faith in God," Jesus answered.

23"I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,'

and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him.

24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

DON`T BE LAZY ,WAKE UP AND FULFIL THE SCRIPTURE. LEAVE MARY OUT OF THIS.

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@SYS

May Mary forgive u, I pray hard for u and i beg Mary everyday to pray to God and ur sins should be forgiven

SYS, you have commited blunder, Mortal sins, Brutal sins, Venial sins, sins that are hard to forgive, I pray Mary to Beg God for u, If your sins can be forgiven, i will be happy.

My Prayer

Hail Mary, I know you are full of Grace,

Holy Mary, Mother of God,

Pray for sys, now till the hour of his Death,

Amen

(please also say Amen to my Prayers)

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smile4kenn, you can call the pope if you like, its still does not change the fact that , the catholic church is an apostate church which now worships satan using my disguises, e.g worship of mary (Semeramis), even when the bible clearly shows that mary herself was a sinnner who had to be saved by the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ.

Mary is not the interceder, Jesus Christ,

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smile4kenn take it easy!

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SEUN, Please safe more insults to My Mother Mary.

I had a Bad day after reading all the rubbish here, if you don't know, Dont say.

Seun, Please do help out all Mary Lovers and delete this topic.

She is my Mother, My interceder.

Call Her Mother, Call her Virgin

She is Full of Grace,

She is Blessed mong other women

She is Blessed with her Womb of the Child Jesus

She prays for sinners

She Prays for us till the Hour of Our death

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when all is said an done the bottomline is that each and every one of us need to be sure of our salvation, therefore the question is that:

What you must do to be Saved ,

The biblical answers for each and everyone who is yet to know Christ or anyone who seeks to come back as a prodigal son back to Christ, I HOPE THE FOLLOWING BIBLE VERSES SHOULD HELP YOU OUT.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

GOD SAVE AND BLESS YOU

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SEUN, Please safe more insults to My Mother Mary.

I had a Bad day after reading all the rubbish here, if you dont know, Dont say.

Seun, Please do help out all Mary Lovers and delete this topic.

She is my Mother, My interceder.

Call Her Mother, Call her Virgin

She is Full of Grace,

She is Blessed mong other women

She is Blessed with her Womb of the Child Jesus

She prays for sinners

She Prays for us till the Hour of Our death

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