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Was There A World Before Genesis 1?

simple question: was there a world before Genesis 1? if not please answer these questions.

1. there is no record of the creation of water in genesis 1. so when was it created?

2. what did God mean when He asked man to re-plenish the earth? remember replenish means to fill up something that has been depleted.

3. when God banished lucifer from heaven which earth did he fall to? was it the one that already contained adam and eve?

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---> There was no world before Adam and Eve. ie no human existed before Adam and Eve.

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firstly, the bible did not tell us how long it took for God to create the heaven and earth in gen 1:1. So the heaven and the earth was already there with water.

the creation of heaven and earth the bible reported how it was made was that brought about by the separation of the expanse God made to demarcate the atmospheric heavens and the earth. the earth which the bible reported how it was created is the land, which came when God channeled the water to the sea. Meaning that land was already existing, but was covered by water. for eg, visualize a sea in your mind. as you see the sea covered with water, you cant call it land but sea or water. But what if all the waters in the sea are channeled away, the land will appear. this is exactly how the earth was before, formless, filled with water, but land was benearth it.

verse 6 - 10

"And God went on to say: “Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.” 7 Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. 8 And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day."

9 And God went on to say: “Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear.” And it came to be so. 10 And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called Seas. Further, God saw that [it was] good.

But as for the heaven and earth at gen. 1:1 that God created in the beginning, we are not told when and how God created it.

Some have answered it. I agree with them, Fill the earth.

Of course, that of Adam and Eve. The bible did not describe other planet for us. And Satan ousting did not happen before the creation of Adam and Eve.

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@op this is so-fp material

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@op this is so-fp material please.its educative and since posted since 2006, it will be nice to learn about more current comments .please and ty

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You make a statement as if you know where it is. However there is new information daily that changes the perception. It has been in Mid Africa at one point. But one thing we can be certain of is it is in the Middle East as are all other stories surrounding God and Jesus. The fact that Eden translates (fertile plain) it could have even been Egypt at one time, or now as supposed around Saudi Arabia, or even Ethiopia as is the surmised story and resting place of Noah's Ark.

This might give you an insight as to how complex it can be trying to find out. Unless we have or find clear record of Old River beds, I don't suppose we will ever truly know.

http://ldolphin.org/eden/

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If your calling me satan or of his tribe your furthest from the truth, however it does not substantiate the aside.

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beginning. Where in the text does it suggest that water was not created in Genesis 1:1, unless you are adding your preconceptions and making the text say what it does not.

Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Again you interpolate your own presuppositions. What does the scripture itself say:

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

What is the meaning of the word replenish as used by the translators of the KJV?

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simple question: was there a world before Genesis 1? if not please answer these questions.

1. there is no record of the creation of water in genesis 1. so when was it created?

2. what did God mean when He asked man to re-plenish the earth? remember replenish means to fill up something that has been depleted.

3. when God banished lucifer from heaven which earth did he fall to? was it the one that already contained adam and eve?

Gen 1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then God said,"Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 Then God said,"Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 Then God said,"Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying,"Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said,"Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them,"Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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[img width=500 height=500]http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/media/cartoons/after-eden/20091002.gif[/img]

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Good point @Topisdo.  In addition, " the earth was formless and void". Which earth is  formless and void?  The one created  before or after. I believe the probelm could be translation from Hebrew to english.

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Here is an upcoming novel with answers! an all--inclusive and comprehensive literature on the question of whether there was life before Genesis 1:1.

It is titled Times of the supermen

You can join the facebook group to sign up for information about the book.

Thanks y'all.

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[img width=500 height=500]http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/media/cartoons/after-eden/20091120.gif[/img]

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[img width=500 height=500]http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/media/cartoons/after-eden/20040726.gif[/img]

Why show up since they still have millions years to spare?

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As an aside, how could Jesus make people understand the Gospel when it had not yet been written?

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if the fact is an history without material proof that is a myth or legend even jesus used those ways to make people understand the gospel .when talking about The richman and Lazarius the poorman this fact was not a truth but a legend that can be the same with Adamic existence no one was there the rest is history

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@ topic

its quite possible

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Not quite sure who you are responding too FMK, however despite what appears to be suggestions to you in my input, most can be confirmed by archeological facts if we were to delve deeper. Also whilst physics is not my forte' not for the want of trying. It would appear the universe is a whole and all would be of the same age. There is a good probability other planets do house life and probably in a separate universe. Yes I do refer solely to planet earth because this is all we know despite space travel and in depth physics.

There is no such thing as an adamic myth. A myth is only a concept of fact that has been far removed from understandability or comparison. A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature. And there are many rites throughout the world in different cultures that have their origins in the beginning of this epoch.

Nature is not a myth, yet we accept it with clarity and without question and existed at the same time as man as far as we know or can prove at this juncture or survival.

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all that mentioned above are your suggestions but not the truth we were born from flesh not from spirit and we cannot know what is supremacy

billion years ago universe existed and can you know who existed first between God and the Universe when you talk about world you refer to planet earrth so we can conclude that other planets existed maybe before planet earth formed but we do not know exactely when this happened those adamic myths are men invention

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There are overwhelming archaeological evidences that there has been hundreds of "times of new beginning", more known as genesis on this planet, which indicate continual repetitions of processes of replenishing after periodical global cataclysmic events that devastate huge part of the planet and life had to be restarted over and over again. The bible merely described one of those restarts(probably the latest one).

On the question of whether there were pre-Adamic civilizations, depends on which Adam one is referring to, since there have been hundreds of Adams during this planet's long long history. If the one referred to is the biblical one, then the answer is quite obvious. Even the bible surreptitiously gave the answer to that question by mentioning the discovery of civilizations that were already in existence by the Adam family after they left the garden.

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@thesilent1,

Go check out the FACTS of how Horus is misleading you before celebrating what you don't know.

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@Horus,

Don't try to cheat your readers (that is, if anyone ever pays attention to you these days). Aramaic and Hebrew are closely related languages; but they are two very distinct languages. You should have the decency of being honest to yourself before posting anything in a public Forum. See the following links for the distinctions:

Hebrew

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew_language

Aramaic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language

http://www.answers.com/topic/aramaic

Infact, the word bârâ' does not mean 'to reconstruct, or reconstruction'. It is indicative of either of two possible meanings:

(a) 'to open up', with its cognate Hebrew bârâ'q meaning 'lightning';

(b) depending on the special Hebrew marks one uses for the consonantal, it could mean:

-- (Qal) to shape or fashion

-- (Niphal) to be created

-- (Piel) to cut out/cut down

-- (Niphil) to make fat

Except for ch. 31:47 (which is a translation of a Hebrew place-name), Genesis itself was not written in Aramaic, but rather in the Hebrew langauge. So, you cannot take the name of the book out of its Hebrew distinctives and make it an Aramaic word in order to arrive at your slanted idea.The Hebrew word for Genesis is not 'b[b]a[/b]r[b]a[/b]poo', but rather 'ber[b]e[/b]poo' [בראשית (B'reshit or Bərêšîth)]. The word simply means "birth", "creation", "cause", "beginning", "source" or "origin" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis ).

It therefore stands that Genesis is not what you misinterpreted it to mean (as you always do). It is that book of "beginnings", and not the tale of your lost 'black jesus'.

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There are some very interesting and laughable comments on this subject. However many of the responses come from a bias and life educated system of indoctrination which places every comment in a box without merit or believability. I have looked at this scenario for many years, looked at many possibilities and had many open ended answers.

Outside of the text being considered no matter what language it was written, or whether it was in fact a dictate from God; we know over the centuries that there has always been a problem in translation, that problem being not so much the words themselves but the attitude of understanding and the way values change as man progresses and lives.

What is missing and is touched upon is the understanding of previous cultures prior to genesis.

It is now known that there has been life on this planet before with technology that we can not explain or decipher in some of the archeological findings over the last couple of hundred years. It is also during these findings discovered that the world has not always been rotating in the direction it is now and that the magnetic fields change periodically, so does this indicate a movement or a change in rotation as well? Geology would suggest yes this does happen.

If then this is the case, then the history of the bible from genesis would be concluded as true, it would also make sense of the fact that the book of Job is far older than Genesis.

Imagine then for a moment and humour me if you will? There was a cataclysmic event which shook the whole earth, changed its rotation and pole locations. The impact upon the earth would be colossal with tsunamis, some land masses turning to boiling mud, new mountain ranges being formed, continents divided and new lands pushed up from the sea whilst others sank and life as it was destroyed leaving all but a few surviving. We have evidence of this in Egyptian culture and the Mayans in Peru. Both lost civilizations though present day Egyptians would have you believe otherwise but have no idea why the pyramids were built or even how. If they were a successive dynasty they would still have the knowledge and I strongly feel they do have some secreted evidence to substantiate this comment which they refuse to release.

If as archeological finds suggest that man once knew how to fly but not in the same way we do today it would make sense that the few who survived the cataclysm would have witnessed darkness, what would seem morning and evening as the earth settled herself to a new stability in her orbit around the sun depending where they stood on the planet, and as the haze from the dust and moisture settled from the eruptions that would have occurred, stars would have seemed to have been formed.

Once stability of the planet and settlement of the elements came about. Those surviving would have been searching for life around the planet especially in animal form and ferry them back to safe ground and man would have been cataloging what species remained. To the primitive eye, it would seem like God creating or through translation would have been recorded that one man had been appointed director of the species as God brought them in.

And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: ( this being the time in which the tsunamis receded)[/i]and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [i]This was confirmation of don't worry the seed is already there we have to wait for it to reappear

This is but a tip of the answer I see, but that in itself will create challenges especially to those that live by faith alone and one book namely the bible which has had many translations and stories told by leaders and preachers. However I will state here that despite this I do believe in a God, however what we are told is Gospel I question.

Where ever you have eliminated the impossible, what ever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

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http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-gaptheory-problems.html

The above link attempts to debunk the notion of a pre-Adamic age.

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Genesis is not humanity’s start

Within many religious sects the first scroll is interpreted as Genesis, but in the Aramic (Hebrew) language it translates to “barashith.” The word barashith comes from the root word bara – meaning, “to reconstruct, or reconstruction.” In Ashuric/Syraic (Arabic), bara also means “to make” or “reconsruct” Not only is the word Genesis misinterpreted, the title of the scroll is translated incorrectly as “Sefer Maaseh Barashith,” “The Book of Creation.” However, the Aramic word ciphra means “scroll” and the correct translation should be "The Scroll of Reconstruction."The title of the Scroll of Barashith in itself confirms the fact that Genesis is a recording of the reconstruction of the planet Earth, and replenishing of man, the refilling of Earth and not the original creation.

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One more thing,the greatest library ever known to mankind,THE LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA,was burnt down by the jews and christians because the library had ancient literature treated extensively about pre-genesis time,our prehistoricity,the time of ATLANTIS,LEMURIA(MU),THULE,etc.

But fortunately,other literatures in other part of the globes and other cultures also tell the same stories of such an age and some of them have it written down.

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[center]Discovery: The Lost Continent Of Atlantis[/center]

"This is probably the greatest discovery in World history" was stated by Maxine Asher, the co-director of a scientific expedition that found Atlantis at the bottom of the ocean reported United Press International (UPI) and major newspapers in the United States during the summer of 1973. UPI continued that "Maxine Asher said that scuba divers found data to prove the existence of the super-civilization which legend says sank beneath the sea thousands of years ago ", " the divers had found evidence of roads and large columns some with concentric spiral motifs, in the exact place described by the Greek philosopher Plato" (beyond the Pillars of Hercules, off Spain). 'The group of some 70 scientists, teachers and adventurers was endorsed by Pepperdine University in Los Angeles, California".

In the following pages shall be revealed over 30 ruins, including pyramids, domes, paved roads, rectangular buildings, columns, canals and artifacts that have been found on the ocean bottoms from the Bahamas to the nearby coasts of Europe and Africa, referencing the vast size of the lost continent. We will discuss how over a dozen respected historians and famous writers wrote about the Atlantis they believed existed, how the Mayans and Aztecs had told their conquerors that they came from Atlantis and Mu, about ancient tablets photographed in Peru shoeing those two lost continents, Atlantis and Lemuria, and discuss ancient maps clearly showing Atlantis. We shall explore geological evidence that Atlantis was once above water.

Most importantly, we will recall the Rise and Fall of Atlantis, Lemuria, Thule, Lumania, and other lost continents that had culture, educational systems, technology and government far advanced from where we are here in the 1990's. This information is NOT based on any New Age channeling or psychic recall or manifestations. It is primarily based on many ancient writings found around the world.

[center]Ruins[/center]

1. City on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean off Spain, found by Dr. Maxine Asher's expedition in 1973 and reported by UPI. Asher was Interviewed and evidence was Witnessed by Steve Omar, director of the M.I.N.D. International Research Agency, Maui, Hawaii.

2. Pyramid explored by Dr. Ray Brown on the sea floor off the Bahamas in 1970. Brown was accompanied by 4 divers who also found roads, domes, rectangular buildings, unidentified metallic instruments, and a statue holding a "mysterious" crystal containing miniature pyramids. The metal devices and crystals were taken to Florida for analysis at a university there. What was discovered was that the crystal amplified energy that passed through it. Brown interviewed by M.I.N.D.

3. Ruins of roads and buildings found off Bimini Island in the 1960's by the photographed and published expeditions of Dr. Mansan Valentine. Steven Forsberg, co-founder of the Lahaina Times newspaper dove into these ruins in 1982 to witness them first hand. Similar ruins were also photographed off Cay Sal in the Bahamas. The ruins are of the same construction as the oldest city ever found on land, according; to archaeologists, in Tiajuanaco, Bolivia, where a calendar was uncovered that shows the exact position of the stars and planets 27,000 years ago. This is more than 20,000 years BEFORE the oldest civilizations in school history books!

4. Similar underwater ruins found off Morocco and photographed 50 to 60 feet underwater.

5. Dr. David Zink found in 1957, off the Bahamas coast, a stylized marble head, building block cast in a mold and a construction piece drilled by a bit, as well as a stone column that he reported radiated energy. Forsberg of M.I.N.D. interviewed Dr. Zink and obtained the photographs.

6. A ruined harbor like complex discovered on the sea floor off Bimini by Captain john Alexander.

7. The deep sea diving submarine Aluminaut discovered a well preserved paved road on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean make of blacktop magnesium oxide, running along the sea floor from Florida to South Carolina.

8. Temple pillars, buildings, statues, wide curving boulevards with smaller avenues branching out like spokes in a wheel, majestic temples and pyramids videotaped by Captain Reyes Miraga on the Spanish named salvage ship "Talia" .

9. A huge 11 room pyramid found 10,000 feet under water in the mid Atlantic Ocean with a huge crystal top, as reported by Tony Benlk.

10. Several acres of white marble-like ruins found on tile ocean floor off Cuba reported by Lieceser Hemingway.

11. Mysterious dome structures reportedly seen in clear water by several pilots in the Straits of Florida.

12. Soviet expeditions to the Atlantic Ampere Seamount resulted in photographs of ruins destroyed by lava (like the Aztecs and Mayans wrote Atlan was destroyed by).This discovery was in the New York Times newspaper May 21, 1978. The photos were developed by the Academy's Petrovsky Marakuyev and reported by the deputy Director of the Soviet Academy of Science's Institute of Oceanography, Professor Aksyonove, who also reported ruins found off Cadiz, Spain in the same area as Dr., Maxine Asher's previous discovery.

13. 1981 expedition of P. Cappellano discovered mysterious ruins with strange symbols on them on the sea floor off the Canary Islands.

14. 1977 report of a huge pyramid found off Cay Sal in the Bahamas, photographed by Ari Marshall's expedition, about 150 feet underwater. The pyramid was about 650 feet high. Mysteriously, the surrounding water was lit by sparkling white water flowing out of the openings in the pyramid and surrounded by green water, instead of the black water everywhere else at that depth.

15. An urn brought to the surface by Dr. Asher's expedition.

16. The foundations of a 100 by 75 foot structure photographed on the sea bottom off Andros Island.

17. A sunken city about 400 miles off Portugal found by Soviet expeditions led by Boris Asturua, with buildings made of extremely strong concrete and plastics. He said "the remains of streets suggests the use of monorails for transportation". He added that he brought up a statue.

18. A six foot column or spire protruding from a double circular gear-like base embedded in the ocean floor, with peculiar light emanations from the bottom of the shaft showing up in photos taken by Dr. William Bell in 1958.

19. Pillars found on the Atlantic floor in 1969 by Robert Fero and Michael Grumley, a chunk of which was carved from rock NOT found anywhere in that part of the world. 20. A road off the Bahamas explored by Dr. Manson Valentine.

21. Dimitri Rebikoff, using his underwater platform and a special collecting lens, reported ruins found encircling an underwater freshwater spring.

22. Marble Acropolis underwater across five acres of fluted columns raised on pillars.

23. Heinrich Schilemann, the man who found and excavated the famous ruins of Troy {which historians thought was only a legend), reportedly left a written account of his discovery of a bronze vase with a metal unknown to scientists who examined it, in the famous Priam Treasure. Inside it are glyphs in Phoenician stating that it was from King Chronos of Atlantis! IDENTICAL pottery was found in Tiajuanaco, Bolivia.

24. Twenty researchers, including archaeologists, a marine biologist, geologist, and cartographer dove onto ruins on the sea floor off Bimini in 1975 and brought back artifacts from which they concluded that the walls and roads were made of materials not found in that part of the world.

Plato and others wrote that Atlantis was a huge continent like Africa, stretching across the Atlantic. The Aztecs, Mayans and Incas and other Indian tribes told explorers of the sunken ATLAN in the Atlantic and the sunken MU (Lemuria) in the Pacific.

In the Pacific, ruins of an ancient city were explored on the ocean floor off Ponape Island. Another was found underwater 30 miles off Easter Island. A ruined road on Karotonga Island goes into the ocean, runs underwater for many miles, and comes out of the ocean on another island in a straight line! Professor Menzies, from Duke University, photographed a ruined civilization on the sea bottom between Peru and Tahiti with unknown hieroglyphics on a column. Monolithic ruins from a lost civilization were found on a haft dozen South Pacific Islands, which are said to be Lemurian mountain peaks above water.

[center]Map Evidence[/center]

1. Professor Charles Hapgood, Professor of Geology at New Hampshire University, reported that a large unknown Atlantic Island appears on an ancient map (the famous Piri re is a map seen on TV and in dozens of books).

2. An ancient map that King Henry owned in 1500 A.D. clearly shows Atlantis.

3. Greek documents and maps showing Atlantis that Christopher Columbus studied before he set sail for America, including the 1482 Benincasa Map showing 3 Atlantis islands that no longer exist!

[url=http://www.nii.net/~obie/historygold.htm]IF YOU WANT TO READ MORE[/url]

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@Kimba,

I guess a reference to the creature called Leviathan in the Book of Job might also be the cause of the confusion. It sure appears that such a creature was not of this world. That may be true, but God who created that world could well be refering to that same creature in this present world.

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Actually there is another verse that one may throw into the mix:

I tell the end in the beginning.

Is Genesis 1, the end or the begining?

The begining after the world is totally destroyed from war and God's wrath in Revelations?

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Yes of-course, there was a Pre-Adamic existence.

I once read/heard, whichever one, that the whole book of Job and all the happenings there actually happened before Genesis, I dont know how true that is, if I find the weblink, ill post it.

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That verse you put up does not still prove the creation of the waters by God, at least, not in the book of Genesis.

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@Bobbyaf,

There is no grounds for this conclusion in the scriptures. I have showed earlier that God did not create the earth formless. "And the earth became without form and void, " is a popular alternative rendering of that passage in Genesis 1:2. Here is the proof once again:

An evidence that the earth was not created the way we find it revealed in Genesis 1:2 can be found in Isaiah 45:18: For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. [/color]

The Hebrew word translated VAIN here in Isaiah is the same word used in Genesis 1:2 as WITHOUT FORM. The Hebrew word is transliterated as TOHUW. The word expresses a chaotic state, a state of emptiness, nothiness, wasteland or wilderness.

In other words, God did not create the earth WITHOUT FORM as reported in Genesis 1:2. The earth became WITHOUT FORM due to some events that occured between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

Read Ezekiel 28: 11-19 to figure out what I said about Lucifer being the first Occupier of Eden.

[color=#990000]11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

We'll continue from here.

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@ Lafile

That depends on what you mean by "before Genesis" Genesis means the book of beginnings. There are different schools of thought on this however. Some argue that the earth itself might have been around for mcuh longer in a state of no order. It had no form, before it was finally fashioned during the 6 days.

Some argue that the earth in its initial stage of creation was formless, but only was like that before the Lord shaped it during the 6 days. In other words, on the first day of it being created it was formless until it was shaped and fashioned later on during the 6 dausof creation.

I prefer the latter.

water was created the very first time when terra ferma was. Both land and water were created together.

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Good question. I have often thought of that myself. One way to solve that issue is to go back to the original word in Hebrew. Other renditions use the words "fill the earth" instead of "re-plenish the earth"

Well, there is only one earth, lol. We are not sure if Lucifer fell before, or after Adam and Eve were created. If Adam and Eve were responsible for sin generally, then it means that they had to have been the first couple.

If they were people in existence before them, which can be easily concluded from your question, then the idea of Adam and Eve being the first humans to sin wouldn't be true biblically. Just food for thought.

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The story of the pre-adamic age has always been a controversial one. But if the Bible does not explicity talk about it, why do we have to dredge over it? Forget am sha. The most important aspect is the Salvation that He has freely offered to us through the Blood of His Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

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Yes there is. Gen 1 says it vividly. The Bible says in the earth was formless and void. God couldn't have created what was formless. He created it in Gen 1:1. there was a huge apocalypse in which the earth was destroyed and for millions of years it was so until He descided to create it again in Gen 1:2.

This is the huge thing between science and the Bible. that is why we have dinosaurs dating millions of years while the Bible says Adam came 6000 years ago. That is why we have homo erectus .e.tc.

OOOOOOOOOO Knowlege draws us closer to Yehovah!

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A quick answer to the question:

Yes,there was a pre-genesis world.

According to the book of genesis,the world is only over 6000 years old.But the history of mankind stretches much further back.Much,much further back.

There also ample proof that the humans(our ancestors) who once walked on this earth possessed knowledge of science and technology that is way way  beyond ours now.

You want one proof?

The piramids and all the other megalithic structures scattered worldwide.The present generations of humans are still scratching their collective heads on how the feats were performed by the supposedly primitive ancients.

You want another?

The "Aztec Calender",so accurate that it is so "anachronistic" in achievement to the modern man,that the scientific establishment are still wondering how on earth the presumed primitives - ancient aztecs - could have come up with such.

Do you all remember YAHWEH?Well,that biblical god may just as well be those humans in possession of such advanced technology playing God with their fellow humans who had remained in the lavel of primitiveness,and i am talking of Moses et al.

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Really!! Since when did the bible turn to an encyclopaedia of knowledge?? DONT BE MYOPIC!!

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Are you sure about that?

How so?

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Yes, there was.  From the evidence in the Bible, Genesis occurred between 1850 BCE and 850 BCE.  In other words, there was no life as we know it then.   However, scientists' finding show the universe to be about 15 billion years old.  

The true origin of the story of Genesis can be traced back to the myths of ancient Mesopotamia, the Fertile Crescent, the waters of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, in present-day Iraq.  It was one of the world's first civilisations (about 7,000 years ago).

The book of Genesis borrows largely from this oral myth called The Epic of Gilgamesh the stories of the creation of man in a wondrous garden (Eden), the introduction of evil into a naive world, and the story of a great flood brought on by the wickedness of man , that flooded the whole world (Noah's ark).

This is fact, for any one with an open mind who cares to find out.

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No sir! You seek to subvert the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

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Oh boy! this is talk for now now!!

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@Hugoboi,

You need to bring your proofs and stop jumping to conslusions that we see no basis for. The only proof binding on anyone on this thread must be based solely on biblical authority.

Remeber, this is not a science fiction section.

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I didnt come to the conclusion my dear.Av got a verifiable authority to back that up.Lemme let u know for added measure that u existed in Atlantis and that ur life has a bearing on ur current life

This is talk for anoda day !@!!

Nope!! humans like u and I

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I really do think it existed, only i cannot prove it.

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Some other evidence that the earth was not created the way we find it revealed in Genesis 1 can be found in Isaiah 45:18: For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The Hebrew word translated VAIN here in Isaiah is the same word used in Genesis 1:2 as WITHOUT FORM.  The Hebrew word is transliterated as TOHUW.  The word expresses a chaotic state, a state of emptiness, nothiness, wasteland or wilderness. 

In other words, God did not create the earth to be what we first see it to be in Genesis chapter 1.  The earth became TOHUW, and it was in this state that the Spirit of God entered into the scene as revealed in Genesis Chapter 1.  So how did the earth get to this state?  We'll find answers to that in the Book of Ezekiel and Isaiah.  I'll delve into this subsequently.

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Evidence of the pre-adamite world and part of the clue to Gen 1:1 can be found in Jer 4: 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

27For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

28For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

29The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.

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@Hugoboi,

I do not know how you come about your conclusion that the pre-adamic earth was called Atlantis.  Neither do I understand how all these is tied to re-incarnation.  Infact, the Bible is clear to the fact that there is no such thing as re-incarnation.

@lafile,

The fallen angels are not the ones I refer to as the inhabitants of the earth.  The fallen angels were free to roam the earth until the times of Noah when God now had to bind them up in chains of darkness (under the earth) in a place called Tatarus.  This became necessary because they were trying to disrupt God's plan of salvation by sleeping with women and producing a half-angel, half-humanity race contrary to God's plan.  Angels cannot be saved, but man can be saved.  Producing these mixed race was contrary to God's plan and the children produced through these union are the ones the Bible refered to as Giants who were said to roam the earth during the times of Noah.  This explains why God just had to destroy the world as we know it then, and spare the family of Noah to begin the work of salvation all over again.  To avoid the angel-man pollution from ever happening again, God had to tie up the other angels (except Lucifer himself) in Tatarus.

You will find the references to these in Genesis 6, 2 Peter 2:4-5 and Jude 1:6

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lets hear you TayoD. as in scriptural backing. By "inhabitants of the earth" did u mean fallen angels?

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@ TayoD

Of course there was a pre-genesis world known as Atlantis.The technological advancements in place today were all spillovers from the other world and like u correctly pointed out,demons as we know them today were inhabitants of Atlantis.I would also like u to note that evidence exists as to this.This also strenghtens the issue of re-incarnation

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There was indeed a pre-adamic world, and the evidence is available in the Bible. Personally, I believe the beings we know as demons today were the inhabitants of the earth in that period. I think I can point out evidences that point to this conclusion from the scriptures.

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