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What Are Sins And Are All Sins Equal?

What are sins and are all sins equal? Are the punishment for "minor" sins exactly the same as for "major" sins?

Can the biblical sense of justice be applied to the ordinary judicial system of society?

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@Davidylan:« #32 on: Today at 09:29:03 PM »

How do you think I formed my definition, if not directly from Qur'an and or Sunnah? Definitely not the Bible. And from verse 11, we see that Iblis refused the Commandment of God. Thats a sin of worship. And in verse 22, we see Adam and Eve eating from the tree, against the instruction and warning of Allah. Thats a sin of deed, out of ignorance. You should read the rest.

The Noble Qur'an Al-A'raf 7:11-27

11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.

12. (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."

13. (Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."

14. (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."

15. (Allâh) said: "You are of those allowed respite."

16. (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.

17. Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."

18. (Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."

19. "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zâlimûn (unjust and wrong­doers)."

20. Then Shaitân (Satan) whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals."

21. And he [Shaitân (Satan)] swore by Allâh to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well­wishers for you both."

22. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaitân (Satan) is an open enemy unto you?"

23. They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers."

24. (Allâh) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other [i.e. Adam, Hawwa (Eve), and Shaitân (Satan), etc.]. On earth will be a dwelling­place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time."

25. He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e.resurrected)."

26. O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth[]).

27. O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitân (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabîluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayâtin (devils) Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.

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this is how you fail exams . . . failure to clearly read instructions. no where did i ask for examples of sin. It is not necessary once a clear definition is provided.

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For a fibble mind like your with all kinds of evil tactics, we must go the exta mile for you. And yet, your evil mind is not satisfied!

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This was not asked? what is not equal to what?

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Since huxley asked it in his original entry of this thread, it is important to answer his request as well. Islam gives complete answers. Unlike you, you have not done anything, except more inquiries! When will you even answer Huxley's request? The greatest sin is not equal before God to the lesser or other sins. The greatest of all sins is the sin of worship! Now answer other peoples questions.

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I shall do so EXACTLY the way you answered me.

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I have answered you. Now what? Where is your own answer?

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Look again at the question . . . examples were not required neither did you provide a valid quranic definition for sin that can be crosschecked for accuracy.

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The whole world is waiting for your Biblical answer, from Jesus. Is he not your god, higher than paul? Now make your move and lets see what your Bible says.

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One quote from the quran pls. This is STILL your own personal opinion.

Definition pls, IN THE quran.

where in the quran is backbiting and homosexuality EXPRESSLY condemned as sin?

Is this how to OVERCOME sin according to the quran?

Pls give us a quranic verse to show that:

a. sins are actually recorded

b. you can wipe sins off the record.

anything outside that is playing musical chairs with the facts.

Long rituals. where is this commanded in your quran?

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@Davidylan:« #32 on: Today at 09:29:03 PM »  

In action and or deed, those things that are evil deed because He has commanded against them. For example homosexualism, is a sin. Stealing, backbiting, etc are all sins.

If a sin is not been committed, but just thaught about, one is to fear the punishment that God has threatened man with and dont commit the sin.

If it has already been committed, one should seek sincere forgiveness and also do a good deed over it, so that it can be wiped off from the record, or rather not been recorded.

Simply seeking forgiveness and make a conscious effort not to repeat the sin. Then remember Allah with your heart, and tongue; make tesbih; Subuhannallah, Alhamdulillah, Laailaha lilallah, Allahu Akbar, Walahullah wa la kuwata ilabilal alilazhim. Astagirullah wa tubu illayk. Laillaha illaant, subhannah, ini kuntun mina Zhulimi. Alhandullillah, Sukrulillah. Sakrnia'ma. Any and all or more of these are enough, by Allah to wipe off any sin. Of course you have to be a believer, knowing fully well that there is no other but Allah the Almighty alone.

Now your mind should be able to understand. If you are not, am sure others will see that your kingdom is empty.

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This should expose this man of falsehood so i will start first by juxtaposing my questions with your alleged answers.

I asked for the definition of sin - how does the quran EXPLICITLY define it, what makes someone a sinner? How can you overcome sin as a muslim? by what means is previous sins commited in ignorance removed?

Here is your "answer" . . .

The question was this AGAIN - how does the quran EXPLICITLY define sin?

Note it was NOT, how does Olabowale define sin.

this is how you fail exams . . . failure to clearly read instructions. no where did i ask for examples of sin. It is not necessary once a clear definition is provided.

This was not asked? what is not equal to what?

I shall do so EXACTLY the way you answered me.

Look again at the question . . . examples were not required neither did you provide a valid quranic definition for sin that can be crosschecked for accuracy.

Again all you did was provide YOUR own idea of what you THINK constitute sin. Where is the quranic DEFINITION?

my turn to do what? Run rings deceptively around the question?

Where is the quranic definition for this? surely it shld be quotable.

Again where is this stated CLEARLY in the quran? I'm tired of hearing personal opinions cloaked as religion.

Are you sure you're not dozing on ur computer, this is the second time you are repeating this.

Questions completely and decietfully avoided. pls try again.

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@Davidylan: Below is my responses. I defined sin. I gave ther types of sins. I also provide examples. I finally states that they are not equal. Now read and provide your own answer. How does Bible define it, the the rest of the informations.

@Davidylan: In worship; all worship is a sin, except what Allah permits. So when iblis refused prostration to Adam, that was a sin of Iblis. Whoever worships anything other than Allah is also a sinner. So your 3 godhead, trinity is obviously a sinful thing, since it is not a permissable thing. Those who refuse to acknowledge the presence and or the Lordship of God Almighty alone are also sinners. So the hindus, atheists, etc are just sinners like the Jews and Christians.

And in deeds and action; all deeds and actions are permissable, except what is forbidden. So unjust killing, sex outside prescribed marriage and in prescribed manners, severing ties of family relations, stealing and consumptions of goods in an illegal manner, etc, all are sins.

Now, David, its your turn. I am tired of your bruhaha. Ypu blow too much smoke, and no heat or fire.

And the greatest of all sins, in the sin of worship. Interestingly, it is what Iblis committed as a jinn/genie and it is the first sin immediately after Adam was created, prior to Eve's creation. I am giving you specifics. And Adam was created between Asr and magrib Salah timeon Friday! You have to match my information, otherwise you have produced nothing.

Defination: What God prohibits, or what He does not allow by His commandments and laws.

Sins are in two categories: Worship and deeds of actions.

In the case of worship: Worshipping any other without God being the exclusive Object of worship. And also not worshipping Him at all. Examples: Idol worshipping, Trinity, or obedience to others without direct authority from God and the atheist, etc also are among this group, because from their own deductions they cancel God out.

In the case of deeds and actions: Whatever that is commanded not to do is a sin. Examples are unjust killings, illegal sex act, illegal consumptions of properties belonging to someone else, including ophans, severing the relationship with the family/bloodlines.

I believe you can't claim that you did not see it now. I am sure you will tap dance your way through it. Watch David do his okey doke, everyone.

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i didnt ask for examples . . . i'm sure you're old enough to understand the difference.

I asked for the definition of sin - how does the quran EXPLICITLY define it, what makes someone a sinner? How can you overcome sin as a muslim? by what means is previous sins commited in ignorance removed?

Those are the questions . . . u hypocrites have been too busy giving spurious "examples" to hide your embarrasment.

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@Davidylan: While you are dealing with laws, a by the way matter if you ask me, please note that the thread is about sins and their degrees, if not all equal. I have also answered your challenge in the thread you boldly requested that I answer you first, before you present your Biblical definition of sin. I have given examples of each 2 major groups of sins.

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you're not the first to ask such a question . . .

Lets see how Christ Himself answered your 2000yr old question -

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

chikena!

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Oh my goodness. What are these laws? Are they the 10 commandments, the golden-rule law, the hygiene laws, the cleanliness laws, the dietary laws, etc, etc.

Are there any laws about righteousness and how does one become righteous? Let's turn to Matthew 5 and listen to Jesus speak;

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20[b]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven[/b].

What laws is Jesus referring to here? The scribes and the Pharisees were unbending sticklers for the Mosaic laws (you know things like Exodus 21: 17, the stoning for breaking the sabbath etc).

Was Jesus suggesting his followers become even more observant of the Old Testament laws than the Pharisees? Is this what righteousness is?

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So god's systems of justice is inherently more cruel that human justice. Humans justice has a scale of crime and punishment, with crimes like murder, molest, child-abuse considered the most vile and punished severely by all civil legal systems. Other crimes like perjury, theft of small things etc are not as severely punished. Basically, in human jurisprudence, there's the concept of proportionality.

But this apears to be missing from god's system. On god's system Hitler would end up in the same place as someone who stole an apple. Is that justice and is this s just god?

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thou ignorant and slow to understanding . . . i repeat that 1 John 3 was NOT refering to humanly constituted laws . . . now just a few verses to put your senility to rest . . .

Now . . . righteousness unto WHAT was John talking about here? righteousness as regards Roman or Jewish customary laws?

Why shld he that disobeys roman law be of the devil? Does that make sense? Did Christ come to die that we may be more able to obey yoruba tribal laws?

Whosoever is born of God will sometimes out of error go over the speed limit . . . is that a sin to keep such a one out of heaven?

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In the eyes of God, a sin is a sin, there is no such thing as 'little sin', 'big sin' as we have here on earth, in the sense that a murderer will be looked down upon more than say a liar, to God, a sin is a sin

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Where the deuce did you get that interpretation from? Are you just making things up as you go along, as is the wont of most christians. Here is 1 John 3; Can you show me how you derived that interpretation;

1 John 3

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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Was that not the FIRST question I asked? Scroll up and take a look. This is it below and your accusation are groundless.

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The first question a rational human would ask himself on reading John's statement would have been - WHAT LAW WAS HE REFERING TO?

Sadly the ability to think is not a part of the arsenal of your ilk.

Lets break it down for you - When John talks of "the law" he is primarily refering to the laws that govern the regenerated soul/the believer. 1 John 3 said nothing remotely close to refering to human laws. Breaking English law would not constitute a sin according to the bible EXCEPT the bible also says to obey constituted authority.

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Or were the Yoruba just savages who did not have laws in their community and lived in utter anarchy? (Pardon me, I don't mean to insult Yoruba people)

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Am prepare to hazard a guess that if the Yoruba people existed 2000 years ago, then they would have had tribal laws within their community. Or were the Yoruba just savages who did not have laws in their community and lived in utter anarchy? (Pardon me, I don't mean to insult Yoruba people)

You appear not to have got the drift of my question. Let me make really, really, r-e-a-l-l-y s-i-m-p-l-y f-o-r y-o-u t-o u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d.

Would sin be a transgression of the Roman laws, the Greek laws? Which laws upon transgression constitute sin?

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What an , was yoruba tribal law in existence when apostle John wrote his book?

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What law are you talking about? If I infringe a Yoruba tribal law, is that sin? C'mon, be more specific!

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1 John 3: 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

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I see a consistent definition of sin as a thing, anything? What thing? What anything ?

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going by your laws, all sins cant be considered equal.for example, a man stole 5o tubers of yam, he was sentensed to 60 lashes and 1month in custody.anothe man stole billions of cash and spent some weeks in custody.but bibl says the soul that sins shall die

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The bolded part is very logical and to an extent right. But then the issue becomes: WHO DECIDES WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG?

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In ma term

Sin is KNOWING what is wrong and DOING it.Where there is no law,there is no sin.For anything to be considered as sin,first you have to be aware its wrong and yet go ahead to do it.

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Sin is anything that could cut the direct line btw u and God.

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hmmmmmm,

Who told you thats the "holyspirit? "  Is that what you were told/taught? How do you know ?

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eg when one commits any kind of crime and you feel heavy inside you without any peace of mind that is the holy spirit telling you that you have sinned.

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Sin is that thing that seperates you from God

The bible say his ears are not heavy to listen

His hands are not shortened to save but sin has come between man and God

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Sins are punishable deeds. They are acts not pleasing to God: Hell fire is the altimate punishing place for sins.

In worship, what God forbids and will not permit, eg, not acknowledging Him as the Only Object of Worship. Those who associate anything with Him, eg, son, or holy ghost and those who worship physical idols or those who deny His existence or Lordship, are all guity of this.

In deeds: What God warns us against, eg illici sex, unjust killing, severing the blood ties, stealing, backbiting, undermining and taking undue advantage, including devowing the properties of others.

And the greatest sin is that of worship. God said that He will not forgive this sin, if a person were to die on it. However, God can forgive any other sins, if He wills.

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But what is "sin? " Having a clear and explicit definition would make this conversation a lot easier.

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