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What Are the 'Spirit/s Of Poverty'?

Some time ago, i spoke with a relative of mine who used to campaign to people in Nigeria about the existence of the "spirits of poverty" and their activities in people's lives, he used to recommend them to pray and "cast" out these "demons" from their families.

And also, i've seen and heard people singing songs like: "Me, i  no go suffer, i no go beg for food; God of miracle, na my papa o!"

It was impossible to convince him (my relative) that he imagined there are spirits of poverty because he was in Nigeria. Now, at the moment, he's in Canada, and few days ago, i asked him his current opinion about the spirit of poverty. He laughed and said "nonsense, i don't really think that there's any such thing like the spirit(s) or demon(s) of poverty".

My people, there is absolutely no such demons like "spirits of poverty" If there is any entity responsible for poverty: that entity is/are the leader(s) of the countries.

What do you expect, some greedy evil humans (in the positions of leaders) are enriching themselves with what is supposed to be used for the benefit of all people, now, the people are so poor that they need "miracles" to get food to eat, and you blame the devil for it?

"Me, i  no go suffer, i no go beg for food; God of miracle, na my papa o!"

Come to think about this: is it actually a miracle to feed, why are the Americans or the Europeans not praying for "miracle" for food?

Food is surplus hence there are obesities everywhere, so those who maintain slim figures are considered as human models.

The holy book says: "remove the wicked from the throne, and his kingdom will be established in righteousness".

What do you think, are there spirits/demons of poverty? comments please.

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But most rich people don't even know God, so, how come they are free from the spirit of poverty where-as, those who know God are bound by it's chains?

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Your friend was partially right in that He acknowledge a Spirit behind Poverty. But in the way to cast the Spirit, I will only want to put few things right.

First and foremost, "Devourer" is the Spirit of Poverty = Malachi 3 vs 5-12

Secondly the only known way out of it is "Obdience" to the Commandment of God. Then Prayers could then be applied. The first must come first.

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That is where you have gone wrong. Notice how you have given an excuse to the poor in Nigeria but have not made the same for those in the west? It does not work that way in the real world though. There are hard working people here who, no matter how they work, do not get part where they are for years to were they want to be. They do not choose to be poor. There are also those in the west and even in nigeria who choose to settle in poverty out of laziness. Notice how in both cases, the same thing is involved?? "POVERTY". Regardless of how you try to slice and dice it. Poverty, contrary to your claim exists everywhere you go. Some Choose it, some try hard to escape it but regardless of where one lives, it exists.

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Unlike in Nigeria where hard work doesn't guarantee freedom from poverty, a poor man in the west is responsible for his own poverty; in other word, NO normal person in the west can be so poor that he can't afford essential things in life. The only wayward people i've seen so far are either junkies or drunkards.

NO RESPONSIBLE PERSON IN THE WEST CAN BE SO POOR THAT HE CAN'T LIVE UP TO THE STANDARD OF AN AVERAGE MAN IN NIGERIA

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Maybe you need to ACTUALLY take a trip to the west then cause they are in the millions even in the west @VicJustice

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I really don't believe in spirits and stuff seems like BS to me, but I know that there's is poverty everywhere, it's just more evident in Africa.

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The scripture is clear of what being rich is all about

Jesus was very clear on what being rich is and was all about.

He knew what poverty is because he lived a poor man life.

Jesus was in need but He is God in man form and had to follow the laid down principles of getting his NEEDS Met.

people tend to think that we as christians should be all about getting and getting.

Matthew 19:23

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:24

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

WHAT IS BEING EVIL RICH(RICH) AND HOLY RICH(POOR)

A man that has a business and makes a living of the business is blessed but withholds the money from doing Good and stores it up and his heart is in this Store. Everyday he sees the NEEDS of people and Shuts his eyes. He says in his heart they have hands they should work hard. He goes to church pays his offering and tithes, he pays church dues and church building pledges, in his heart he does this so that he can get more and store more. he has houses that he can't live in he charges the people that live in it higher his heart is money money money. He sees only profit in all things he does. His god is gain. This is the story of a rich fool.

Jeremiah 17:11

As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.

Whilst there is a man that has a business and makes a living of it. His business is blessed and he stores little money and pays his workers Well. He sees people with lack and spend his money and time. He looks for the needy and blesses them. He goes to church and pay his due. His money is the publics money. He raises men that do good. (ABRAHAMIC BLESSING)people are happy he is blessed because he is the source of blessing. Through him the people of the earth know what Grace is (UNDESERVED FAVOR). He loses his wealth to undeserving people because his God gave his precious son for him he must give his best to God and to people that wont say thank you. This is an wise man.

I know a man John Wesley He sent missionaries to the world with his money he built churches and schools to people that will not say thank to unworthy sinners. We were in the dark God used Wesley with his money he made. He lived a simple live people of the world will say he died poor. But I say he died a soldier full of grace divine. Wesley died with six pounds in his pocket a cloak he wore about and a silver spoon. He left churches all over the world with schools also hospitals.

Look at you pastor they are in the Gain business "Give to gain" is what they say

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I am not a scholar but I do know that Jesus did not play with demons or Satan. I am reminded of the story where the woman gave her 2 mites in the offering, she was not turned away nor was demons cast out of her, Satan was not rebuked either. I currently have a blogtalk radio program on the internet and the Lord has given me a message about Mystery Babylon and there is a scripture that says that she has become a hide out for demons. She was luxurious and was buying this world good including food. The early church started a food program, that did not appear to be sin or demonic and when the famine was predicted in Jerusalem I believe by prophet it was another church that sent relief. There was no mention of demonic activity or sin for not having sufficiency of themselves. Jesus never cast out poverty in fact he said Mark 14:7

For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. Jesus our precious Lord and savior is indeed true riches. He did not say cast devils out of them. I think this kind of logic and now doctrine is a deceptive thing pushing the agenda of Mystery Babylon when we are challenged to come out of her and rejoice at her judgment because she is judged for our sakes. The bible says in Peter that because the end time is near to be disciplined and earnest in our prayer lives and to be hospitible and offer food to those in need. But because some people are so covetous and blind by the deceitfulness of riches as proclaimed by Paul in Timothy in the last day they will be lovers of themselves and there money and are saying to people who are less fortunate that they must be demon possessed and are in sin, I beg to differ. Further more Paul told the Thessalonian church that if any are facing hardship then they should pray. James told us that it is not enough for those who claim to be faith filled to speak affirmations over needy people lives saying be warm and fed like is going on today in the pulpit with all the "repeat after mes" and "tell your neighbor this" but if one really had faith in God, biblical faith, one would participate in blessing others. I forgot to mention that the reason I am here is because I heard some one binding up the spirit of poverty on an internet program but it just did not agree with me so I was surfing the 'net and I found this forum, be blessed

You must know I am a female because I am going on and on. Somethings are a condition of the flesh such as laziness, sleep. Those are not spirits your flesh needs to be bought under subjection and Jesus has power all flesh that is why he was healing limbs, deafness, blindness, lameness, deformities. Those things were not demons in all cases and some were not caused as a result of sin although we all have sin because he did not forgive every one's sin that he healed them.

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spirit of poorverty is a thing of the pass if only you no the right thing to do. thats why am here

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Interesting obsevation @topic

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Spirit Of Poverty? I could be wrong but wasn't that the spirit that told a rich man to give up all his possessions and mentioned something about needles and camels?

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You and me know very well that though it is supposed to work on paper like that in the west it doesnt work that way. Houses do appreciate and a lot of people dont stay in a house all their lives. if you buy a $200K house on mortgage. After 10 years you definitely sell if for that $200K unless something drastic happen to the neighbourhood. Even a lot of people get to sell their house at twice the value and can even go ahead and pay for a cheaper house then. The good thing in the west is that if you have a good head on your shoulder you can handle ur finances very well that there wont be any spirit of poverty close to you even if you are bloody atheist!

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Poverty = Poor Mentality + Laziness

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what we africans have is poverty mentality!!!

and also there is spirit of poverty because when you look at Jesus first message was to preach the good news to the poor.

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redsun and olubori has said it all. i agree that there a spirits but i would say that those spirits only manifest when man has the mentality of poverty. like the bible says as a man thinketh in his heart so he is. if you believe that this country is hard then it will be hard for you, if you believe you are poor then you can never be rich,  it all has to do with how you think and how you look at life.

for example only people you think spirit of pverty are chasing are poor, some poeple don't even consider it and they are the ones that make it.

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The whole concept of "spirits of poverty" is a wrong use of word. Poverty cannot b a quality of a true spirit. Poverty is activated via d mentality of d people n so pple wld continue 2 experience poverty as long as they think in dat way. And we really shld stop looking 4 d cause of our problems wit others we can & should b masters of our fate.

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Poverty is of the mind,you are poor because you don't believe you can be rich,it is a choice based on one's imagination and general state of mind,on the other hand,one can be rich materially and still be poor in mind,wealth in the hand of a fool is like bubble,it can't hold.

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There is no such thing as spirit(s) of poverty what exists is poverty mentality- a way of thinking and subsequently living that has been eroded of all good value and high quality. in as much as i believe that being poor is not strictly limited to material things, lack of good and true leadership has engendered an acute situation of lack, want and paucity. the basic things of life are almost out of reach of the majority so what almost everyone is doing is trying to survive and  when a man is hungry, homeless etc his brain can't kick into pime/higher functions. what u get are desperate measures. Most countries have national plans that stretch into dozens and scores of years, we hear of the american dream etc but as a people we don't have a consistent national mantra. we don't have nigerian heroes: nigerians who can inspire and nurture a culture of value for human life by example. thats why our roads are death traps, air travel a tragedy, no medical facilities, no power,  we all know the list. what is the life of a nigerian worth? have u seen how we honour people who labored in their youth? pensioners i mean. what do u think the way they r being treated presently inspires young civil servants, professionals and custodians to do?

Every christian is an extension of God- a dynamic(dunamis) representation of His Kingdom(his rule and dominion). we should all be a living epistle describing and inspiring leadership, sacrifice and value to a poor and broken nigeria. i believe this is what the church should begin to do. not re-enforcing the poverty mentality by misplaced value systems and incomplete doctrines. As a man thinks, so he manifests.

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poverty is sometimes spiritual,

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There are evil spirits in this world, for even Jesus when he walked on the face of this earth cast out demons from indiviudals, but to say there is a SPIRIT OF POVERTY I cannot say.  In America, we hear a lot of ministers talk about GENERATIONAL CURSES being past down from one generation to the next.   For example if your mother and father is poor, and there parents were poor, and there parents before them were poor, and YOU and your family experience never being able to get to the point of plenty, riches, and living a life of abundance, then it is said that you have a GENERATIONAL CURSE on the family, which must be broken by the power of God.  I believe that, for if our parents do not show us, by the way they handle their funds, pay tithes and offerings (which according to the word of God affects your financial blessings), then how can we do any better--except someone show us.  These generational curses, or spirits of poverty come from a lack of knowledge of the word of God and just life in general.  Many times it is a matter of not knowing how to handle finances, and therefore, the cycle of poverty continues.  God's word does not fail nor lie, if we pay our tithe on that which we receive, even if it is just on one Naira or American dollar, God has promised to bless our finances.  Of course, it is not just a matter of paying tithes and offering, but we also must be GOOD STEWARDS of the finances God blesses us to get.  If we continually do not pay our bills on time or just before the man is about to turn us out the door, that is not being a wise and good steward over our finances.  So, it is a combination of obeying God and paying our tithe and offering AND handling our money correctly by making wise decisions with what God gives us.

If we combine all of those things above, I believe the generational curse of poverty will be broken.  Actually, it is MORE in our power than Gods, for we must FIRST DO THOSE THINGS, and he will bless our lives.  By saying there is a Spirit of Poverty, to me, places ALL THE BLAME on the spirit, and takes ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY for our own actions off of us!

That is just my opinion.   Try what the word of God says in paying your tithe and offering and ALSO handling your money wisely and see where that takes you--in the blessings of God's prospertity and abundance. No matter where you live (Nigeria or America) the word of God is true!

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There are different evil spirits out there, for even Jesus himself cast out demons when he walked on the earth. But for me to say there is a "SPIRIT OF POVERTY" I really cannot say. In America you hear a lot about GENERATIONAL CURSES

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i have powerfull medicin that drive away spirit of poorverty from your family, and i have medicin for knowing book

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By what means can a sales girl in Nigeria buy a new car, is that possible?

 Actually, uncountable number of immigrants in Ireland who only have temporal work permit (who are not entitled for mortgages) do drive new cars from their minimum wages, not everybody is entitled for a mortgage, especially when one is temporally legal here.

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another escapists idea, people unwilling to take responsibility for their 'circumstances', easy to blame it on unseen forces

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Not true really except you believe that amassing debt is equal to true riches.

The truth is that westerners are living on borrowed time and heading towards an economic crash. Almost everything done here is on credit except you want to settle for old banger cars etc etc . But generally people buy on credit and pay installments with high interest rates .

Since when did debt becomes prosperity ? Do not be deceived, this is only a temporary farce.

And how do you justify buying a house , semi detacched worth supposedly about £110,000 due to high demand and subsequent inflation. But we know the true worth of these houses are in the 40,000 to 60,000 pound margin in terms of real value. And then you have not talked about the interest on the mortgage which will come to about 70,000 pounds, so alltogether you are paying £180,000 for a house worth only £60,000 and then the house is not even yours until you complete payment which means that you can have your house repossessed if you miss mopre than two payments and lose out on all the thousands of pounds you have paid over the years.

If you call this prosperity then I am astounded, infact this is more of a curse than a blessing.

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May God open our eyes to distinguish between human and spiritual matters and where they overlap.

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Sorry, spirit of poverty ?? Thank God I have been delivered from the Nigerian brand of Christianity , always looking for spirits everywhere.

While I do 100% believe that there are spiritual attacks and influences in society, the resultant physical manifestation is simply a consequence of our greed, lust and wickedness which attracts these spirits in the first place.

We are quick to blame our leaders but as a Nigerian who has lived in Nigeria for most of his adult life and who visits periodically, our society is rotten from top to bottom and bottom to top.

It is almost impossible to get along in Nigerian society without partaking of sinful acts such as bribery , financial greed and immoral day to day acts.

Will you attribute these traits to spirits ? No.  But you can bet that evil spirits will always take advantage of the darkness in our lives and society as a whole. They will inhabit and attack with dire consequences and inflict misery and curses on us when we imbibe the hidden things of dishonesty and shameful acts.

May we begin to take cue from this knowledge and rid ourselves of every dark deed we practice openly or in public, on ourselves or on others. Only  then can the light of Jesus shine into our souls and shield us from demonic misery.

Conclusion : Poverty can be enhanced by Satan but is generaly caused by greed, selfishness, laziness, unbelief in God and the rejection of Jesus Christ and finally by bad rulers in places of authority.

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what do u think about the Ibo saying "omere ma chi ekweghi onye uta atala ya" which literally means that one has tried every thing possible yet no break through, though i don't believe in the saying but it is true. what do you think about curses,Nemesis-these can be the sprite of poverty

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Well, like many of us agreed, i personally do not think that there's any such spirit responsible for poverty; such demon(s) do not exist. I do believe in God, and i acknowledge the existence of Satan (or the Devil). I've spent a great deal of time abroad and i've seen many countries, but believe me, i've never seen a European who's so poor that he can afford regular meals.

  I began to realised that many people in Africa turn to God because they are oppressed by fellow humans, and poverty had compelled them to seek Divine interventions. But these Europeans (or westerners) are just too much that they often don't see any need to believe that there is a God.

  Now, come to imagine a society where an ordinary sales girl or a shop assistant, a house cleaner, a house maid or a baby minder can buy and drive the latest cars and live comfortable lives. So, where is the spirit of poverty in the west?

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u empower POVERTY when u don't inform people,

We're on the road to a beta nation, whoever brought us this far(involve us in d information circuit), in my own opinion already made a mistake(we're already free from poverty, n all hidden agenda of high places), the power to fight poverty is being informed, n using information

Keep reading, keep xploring, keep using your brain power, God will see us through

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I can say the real spirit of poverty in Africa, first, is man made i.e. greediness of our leaders, second one is laziness, third is lack of information.

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Ok, ok, ok, now I know.

Then yes, there are 'spirits' of poverty. And one can pray to break the yoke of these 'spirits' of poverty. That means that poverty itself is the end results of the things that cause it, more or less like the symptom(s) of somethings more sinister, e.g

bad leaders in government

unemployment

wrong investment plans

inflation

thieving public officers

or even laziness

etc

I just wanted to be sure that poverty is not seen as something that one is born with; or family/generational disease or something that a pastor will need you to fast and pray for, to cast out because (in agreement with the proponents of brain usage), by using one's brain one can prevent, avoid or fight all the above causes.

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If anyone thinks that he or she is posses by the so call Spirit of Poverty, let him or her open a Church, every sunday offering will CASt his or her spirit of Poverty away. Till the second coming of our lord.

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Spirits of poverty in Nigeria-e.g obj,abacha,odili etc. They were spiritual wickedness in high places(veiled in human flesh) then there are some people who are their own spirits of poverty because they have the right environment and leaders but wouldn't work. I call them "lazy fellows".

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There is nothing like spirit of poverty it just that we don't help one another when we are in the position to do so, lecturers are good example.  we are so afraid of other people knowing more than we do or getting richer than us thereby hindering their way and making life difficult for them, take example from the group you belong to or your work place how the leaders there behave.

So the only spirit of poverty if you believe there is any are the bad leaders we have in our society

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[b][/b] One of the biggest deceptions on earth is; Satan does not want people to know that all these spiritual things exist.

The bible says: "do not be ignorant of satans devices" The people who rule countries such as Nigeria are controlled by different "Principalities" eg: Poverty,Greed,Wickedness etc. Principalities are controllers of demons and so on, (Eph 6:12)

These spirits control people’s minds in such a way that, a person in authority can make a devastating decision that will affect millions of lives.

(The amazing thing is that person will be happy with such a decision and you wonder why!) That is why we all need God Jesus to rule in our hearts.

Every thought a man makes good or bad comes from somewhere (God, himself or Satan) as the bible says "everything that God made was good"

Poverty is just a means of controlling people’s lives! You cannot control the life of a rich man; as his riches is his power to control!!

Where there is equality there is no control over others!!! This is another reason for a class system (Low class, middle class and upper class).

A lot of people don’t know these things because spiritual things can only be discerned by the spirit of god in a believer (born-again). 1Cor 2:12-14

I pray that you will receive God into your heart and he will open your eyes to all this things that is going on in the world today, That is why we

have to pray for our leaders Good or Bad.

Have a blessed day!

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Spirits of Poverty is simply act of laziness, simple as ABC,

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Can someone define this poverty we are talking about before I comment?

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A brain is poor when it's not used.

What differs a rich man, who never spends a dime out of his money and lives a miserable life, from a poor man?

My answer is nothing: they are both poor!

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If some basics(e.g. sound education, light, water, good housing and good governance) are provided, then more than 25% of our brains will be channeled to innovative business solutions to problems that'll provide income enough to "bind" every spirit of poverty.

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Yes there are spirits of poverty!!

", and the fruits of these spirits are hatred, corruption, bad leadership, laziness, lack of vision, and ultimately lack of knowledge, against which there are no riches"

Cheers,

OIO

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Well, those leaders responsible for the dire state of the nation could be agents of demons.

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The only poor thing we have in Africa is our brain. We don't use it and if we do, it's always for the worst!

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