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What Are The Wages Of Sin?

1 John 5: 17, says;

All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does NOT lead to death.

So choose your sins wisely.

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For the sake of your blasphemy, I now understand that you are not in search of the truth, and my discussion will be a waste of my precious time. But for posterity, I will reply the post above.

When one reads the KJV without a concordance, one can almost give any meaning to any word. If you are too lazy to use one, read the Amplified version i posted and see v16 where the death is described as the extinguishing of life. The life that God will give when you pray for the sinning brother, is a merciful extension of his lifespan to give him an opportunity to come back to himself. Without such an extension he would die in his sin and then he would be damned. So you think its spiritual life? Thats heavy ignorance between your ears, because Salvation is each man's personal decision. When Huxley sins, Olaadegbu can at best pray for mercy and more time for Huxley to come back to God. Thats the secondary dimension of forgiveness. The primary dimension, you must use your own mouth and heart. Olaadegbu cannot confess Huxley's sins and obtain eternal life on his behalf.

As for when you will die, Im not God's Voltron, running to defend him. Neither am I His timekeeper. Your surmise only irritates me. But just like i know a man forcibly held underwater may only survive for so long without oxygen and death is sure unless he can rise for air, I know death is inevitably at your window already, forcing its way in. God's mercies are endless, who knows, a miracle may yet save you.

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Hello,  thanks for your response.  But I seem to be getting confused about the various types of "deaths" mentioned in 1 John 5: 16 - 17.  Is he always talking about physical bodily death, or does he also refer to "spiritual" death?  Let's look at the verses again:

16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

In verse 16, the first use of the word "death" - does this mean an immediate physical death as in the act of sinning, or immediately after sinning?  So if you see your brother/sister fornicating, theiving, lying, from which they do not die, you should pray and god will give them "life".  Is this physical life or is it spiritual life? Why would John refer to physical death and spiritual life in the same context?  It would make more sense if this "death" is a spritual death, from which prayers would restore spiritual "life".  Or similarly, if John meant physical "death", it would make more sense if the "life" was a physical "life", rather than a spiritual "life".

Now, consider the following scenario.  Supposing one of these brothers were involved in some form of armed robbery and they were shot and seriously injured.  If he prays and repent, would God give him life?

It makes more sense if this death is interpreted as as spiritual death in verses 16 & 17, as the concept of sin does not normally immediately put the health and life of the sinner at physical risk.    Apart from suicide, which you mention (and which I don't regard as a sin or offense, for many other reasons), can you think of any sins that immediately threaten the physical life of the sinner and from which they could die?  If this were so, there would be nobody on earth right now.

What is/are the sin(s) that lead to death?, as John declares in verse 16.  If John meant physical death and taking suicide as an example of such a sin  - then if you see your brother committing suicide, there is really no need for him to pray as he will be dead anyway.  So if this really was meant as physical death, then the entirety of verses 16 & 17 is hardly worth mentioning.  It is a bit like saying "Do not give food to the dead".   It only become worthy of mention if death is meant in a spritual sense in verses 16&17.

On the question of blasphemy - I have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit many many times, and I right now CURSE the Holy spirit.  What kind of death shall I expect?  And will it be immediate?

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What are the wages of sin?

I would dare to say . . . "Paying daily/weekly/monthly tithes to charlattans in the midst of scarcity"

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Huxley, the verses (see my last post above) clearly show that John meant "there are sins that INVOLVE death in the process of carrying out the sin". It speaks here of a physical death, because when one dies physically while sinning it will be impossible to repent. Since the time Christ rose from the dead and preached to the dead, giving them a final chance, forgiveness has become a luxury only available to those with the license of physical life. After Christ rose, anyone who dies in his sin will not have another chance.

All sin lead to spiritual death. A classical sin which leads to physical death is suicide. Or maybe cursing the Holy Spirit, thus severing your possible connection to God and escaping the arms of mercy; physical death will occur quickly. Like it did with Herod in Acts. If you are in a tree & you saw off the branch you are sitting on, wont gravity break your bones?

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Huxley,

All sins [murder, ethnic cleansing etc] will be forgiven but He who blasphemes against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven. I didnt say so, the scriptures did.

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I continue to like you for this huxley. You're usually humbly ignorant, not proudly so.

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No, for some of these sins (like adultery and fornication) the wages is not death as clearly stated in 1 John 5: 17 - (and there is sin that does NOT lead to death.).

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Roman6:23 WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH CHRIST JESUS.

OP. 1john5:17:ALL UNRIGHTEOUS IS SIN. Relate it to d above.If u fornicate,kill,hate ur neighbour,snatch boy friend/girl friend, All na sin&d wages is death.So may God help us&save our soul

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SO "[b]ALL [/b]sins lead to death"? But that is not what 1 John 5: 17 says. How do you reconcile that?

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What death do u think d Bible is referring to? From my little knowledge that death means eternal burning in hell, so truly all sins lead to death.

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