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1.peter.3.3-4

You should not make use of outward aids to make yourselves beautiful, such as the way you do your hair, or the jewelry you wear. Instead your beauty should consist of your true inner self, the ageless beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of the greatest value in God's sight.

1.tim.2.9

i want the women to be MODEST and sensible about their clothes and to dress properly;NOT WITH FANCY HAIR STYLES OR WITH GOLD ORNAMENTS OR PEARLS OR EXPENSIVE DRESSES, but with good deeds as it is proper for women who CLAIM TO BE RELIGIOUS.

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I dont know if its interpreted in the modern world.

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It's simple really;don't show too much skin,don't put on too tight trousers or too tight and short skirts or see through blouses

@poster,Paul did say most of what he said about female dressing and conduct in the church are his own opinions and not LAW and he made it clear because of this same reason,so there won't be any conflict or division in the church.

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the world has now turned gone fashion. I dont know how our females would look without it

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Seeing this verse I can not help but think that because we are human, and no matter how much we claim to be spiritual, our opinions will still be subject to our personal views and takes on particular issues.  Sorry I am not half as spiritual or religious as most of the members of this thread but I quite understand that the bible verse in question does not entirely mean that women should not wear jewelry or any form of body adornment as stated or intended.  Even from a liberal point of view (i.e not spiritual) it simply states that inner beauty (of the heart) should be given more priority than jewelry and all other forms of body adornments that enhance physical beauty.

Yet again, I cannot help but understand why some churches and individuals misinterpret this verse based on the evident fact that today , this verse is also the excuse as to why both women and men dress inappropriately.  I mean, it swings both ways, on the one hand, you should be more concerned with how you look inside but on the other, it doesn't say you should not wear what you think makes you beautiful.

If we all did things that we thought were right then where are the standards to judge from?  Many of you have stated that you need the intervention of the holy spirit to understand the message in the bible, I  however see this differently.  I believe the message in the bible is clear and broken down for even the liberal man to believe. (Just as this verse is simple to understand).  The thing is we are human and most time we are subject to opinions which are subject to the knowledge we have gathered from our environment (being most times what we see and what we are told).

This is why sometimes, or many times, it seems as though christian do no comply with the rules in the message of the Bible.  Someone stated that Paul was against women preaching in church.  I have also heard that women should cover their hair in the temple of God and I have also heard that there is a format governing how the language of tounges should be spoken in church.  To be honest, while the Bible is quite static in delivering its message, Christians who receive this message are governed by a dynamic world.  That is, while the Bible does not change (or is not supposed to change) human beings (Christians)  are constantly changing and hence they must adapt the static nature of the Bible to their ever changing environment.

Please understand that besides being a spiritual and religious book the bible is also a book which sets the laws, the morals, philosophy as well as history of a particular people that still exist today (the Jews). Hence no matter the level of spiritualism we attach to the Bible as Christians, it will always contain the opinions (which are subject to the laws, philosophy etc of that time) of the writers.  If you doubt this fact, then please read the account of Jesus Christ according to all the disciples and you will see that they are not all the same even if the pattern is the same.

Today women are more open to society than they have ever been. At one time in history, common women (of middle/low class) couldn't come out in public, let to even vote or rule a country. Today they do all these things and even more.  The Bible is specific about a woman's place but today, that has changed and we see women taking far greater roles in society than that detailed to them in the Bible.  This leaves all kinds of questions which I believe, we just should not bother about.

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Pls be modest, that will be all.

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It means we should focus on our inner beauty, rather than spend too much time trying to look beautyful

because real beauty lies in the soul which cannot be curropted- i think this verse is very beautiful

But i must add- it doesnt say 'thou shalt not wear gold and braid your hair'

some churches take one verse from the whole of the bible misinterprete and build doctrines on it!

but i guess its how the spirit reveals to each individual- women shouldnt feel like it means we shouldnt look good

personal decisions should be made with God and not what man is trying to trick you into thinking

pls don't misinterprete the word of God; bible saying about our inner beauty and we should have a clear spirit and forget the things of this world.

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well i think i have nothing to say about this because it's only Holy Spirit that can teach us the Bible very well

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@ ayettymama

You have said it all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@ Stillwater

The thing tire me o if say na men this rule dey for nobody for remember to keep the comandment o.But as na how women supose waka with shameface and all ather stuff men for spri koko church go see to the enforcement.

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Quote from: karo93 on 13-03-2010, 21:54:51

1.peter.3.3-4

You should not make use of outward aids TO MAKE YOURSELVES BEAUTIFUL, such as the way you do your hair, or the jewelry you wear. Instead your beauty should consist of your true inner self, the ageless beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, WHICH IS OF THE GREATEST VALUE IN GOD'S SIGHT.

so u believe that the bible condemns outward beauty. I know that the bible does not comdem outward beauty but condemns over dependence on the outside at the expence of the inside. why do i say so cos external beauty does not replace or prevent/hinder inner beauty at all. u can both be beautiful on the outside and on the inside. buth if external beauty affect your internal beauty please discard the external. When u want to achieve inner beauty it is foolish to use outward aids to enhance it cos it can't. the reference in this verse is totally for internal beauty. the Lord does not see as man Sees he sees the heart and not outward appearance. he is the God who made what u might term in human eyes ugly plain and unattractive together with the sexy beautiful and attractive. both in relationship with man man does not see the heart but the outward and a man and a woman of God must also please his/her spouse with the external. 1 Corinthians 7: 34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. U please your husband by taking care of his needs physically. Paul also said that a woman's long her was given her for her glory. God knows longer hair is glorious beautiful attractive majestic on a woman. the black race type of hair does not favour long growth as opposed to other races. hence the use of aids like attachment weavons  E.T.c to produce that effect.

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@All,

you were experienced the truth. But why most of your ladies were not complienced.

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the bible does not say women should not use jeweleries but to focus on their spirituality and not physical things of the world.

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the bible does not say women should not use jeweleries but to focus on their spirituality and not physical things of the world.

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See, bible said no hair plaiting or cloth wearing but rather we should be adorned with humility so all born koko sisters who cant stand the sight of a well groomed bible believing female remove your clothes and shave your hair according to you it is written in the bible.

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Let's cut the crap, ok! A Christian sister should only be kwown or critiqued by her character or by what comes out of her mouth. Lets stop this muslim bullsh*t of trying to make our beautiful sisters look out-of-touch and uncivilised. If y'all that concerned about their dressing or the way they look, why complain about those Muslims with veils?

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@ OP

Is that from Peter or from God?

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Poster. . .

You need to stop reading the Old testament and go get yourself a New Testament Bible. . .

Cause that quote you just stated is in the Old Testament in which women in those days used their Jewelries to show people how wealthy

they were and that's what led to the law of women shouldn't wear Jewelries to Church cause they used it to boast about their wealth.

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Let me leave this space for the pastors and evangelists. Though no amount of preaching will make me leave my hair unkept.

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I remember the bible also said we should not worry for what we will eat or wear and that who ever wants to serve God must forget about brother

Mother and sister.Why dont I see people sitting with folded arms not working cos the bible said so and people leaving families as soon as they find christ? why havent I seen people plucking out eyes and arms like the bible said we should if they will lead us to sin?

Its amazing how some sects just force a law that they feel will distinguish them from others upon its followers

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Christian Adornment

"I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels." (Isaiah 61:10)

This beautiful Old Testament verse speaks eloquently of the appropriate adornments and clothing of Christians. The worldly person may dress in costly garments and ornate jewelry, but these are no better than hastily sown fig-leaf aprons (Genesis 3:7) or filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6), if they merely attempt to beautify an unregenerate life. Far better than even the elaborate ornaments and jewels at an oriental wedding are the garments of salvation and the robe of righteousness prepared by God Himself, even though outwardly they may appear as mere "coats of skins" (Genesis 3:21).

Note the admonition of Paul in the New Testament. "I will therefore . . . that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works" (1 Timothy 2:8-10). Similarly, to Christian wives Peter says: "Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price" (1 Peter 3:3-4).

A Christian should also be clothed in "the whole armour of God . . . loins girt with truth . . . the breastplate of righteousness; . . . feet shod with . . . the gospel of peace; . . . the shield of faith . . . the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit" (Ephesians 6:13-17). Both by modest clothing and by a Spirit-controlled life, we thus ought to "adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things" (Titus 2:10). HMM

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@ @Estrella must be a cute damsel. Self xplanatory' was.

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It is better to go too far than to go to little. If heaven is your goal, then no word of God will be too much for you to obey. Why dont you do it and when you get to heaven let God says you have taken it too far. Afterall there will be no punishment for that rather than been condemned for doing to little.

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Very correct. To the rest who reply otherwise, u need the HOLYGHOST!!!

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Jere 4:30 says And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.

The scripture further said in 2Tim 2:19 Nevetheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

So the choice is your to make.

Shalom.

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just like the 99.9% of ppl here that have never bothered to read the bible from cover to cover, context reading is all you do,

everyone takes everything out of context and hence watever favors them they take, watever doesn't favor them, they drop, thats what i hate so much about the church system in this country,

i bet you if we follow the bible word for word, we'll end up living lives of Jews (the founders of the religion), lol

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There is need for some level of spiritual understanding here, i am not a woman so i don't spend too much time on these passages when i read them, but like it has been said over and over on this thread, the keynote is moderation.

I corithians 14:40 - Let everything be done decently and in order.

Afterall our mortal bodies go to dust when we get out of here but our souls go above to be judged. I am therefore on that premise going to give more time and care for my spiritual well being than my body. I am however not going to let my body suufer because cleanliness is next to Godliness. If Jesus was not well clothed, the soldiers would not cast lots on his garments.

So its a little here and a little there but moderation is key.

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Bible says you should not eat porks

Bible say you should kill adulterous people

Bible says an eye for an eye

Bible say many things,

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Oh please the bible was written by man - chauvinistic and ignorant MEN. Dont wear jewelry during those times = "dont be trying to enhance your beauty so another man can look at my property WOMAN!"

PLEASE! the only thing regarding jewelry that makes any ounce of sense in the bible is "render your hearts and not your garments/ do not participate in idol worship" in other words enhance all you want, heck wear green weave and purple eye contacts if you want with all the bling bling, BUT do not deny the presence of God and futhermore be as good as a person as you can; refrain from worshipping vanity as it can slide out of your life as easy or hard as it came, Simple.

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an age long debate i wouldnt like to go into.the truth is, moderation should be the key here.

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Inner beauty is what counts. Flamboyance is not Christ like. What is so new about that. It does not say do not wear jewelry or do not do your hair

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.ask for God's guidance nd interpretation. .but some women take it t0o far. .imagine spending 5 h0urz at the hairdresser'z. .

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We all like to understand the bible the way we want to

Just one bible verse has millions of interpretations, all depending on the way you percieve it

And it takes the holy spirit to understand the true meaning of a verse

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your version of the bible is clearly skewed. Since the bible say we shouldn't worry about our hair does that mean we should walk around looking homeless with uncombed hair and claim you are doing it for God. The bible claim you should not worry about the outside beauty at least thats how most christians around the world intepret except for some hard core Africans.

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your version of the bible is clearly skewed. Since the bible say we shouldn't worry about our hair does that mean we should walk around looking homeless with uncombed hair and claim you are doing it for God. The bible claim you should not worry about the outside beauty at least thats how most christians around the world intepret except for some hard core Africans.

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While I'm not going to critique everyone's comments and contributions so far, I'd however want to draw your attention to the following,

In Greek Civilization, the duty of a woman was to 'remain inside and be obedient to her husband', a sign of a good woman which however forbid her to see, hear and if possible speak little

Under Jewish law, a woman was a thing; she was owned by her husband exactly the way a sheep or goat is owned. And finally, under Roman law, a woman had no right; she remained as a child for ever. Because of the fallen world we now live in and sin nature which existed in our flesh, Christian women are now more susceptible to the same maladies as non-Christians

The problem of looking on outward appearance is not limited to women only, 1 Samuel 16:7, Take a look at Luke 16:15 also.

In the days in which Peter lived, those with the means to do so went to great extremes in dresses, cosmetics, and hair styling to look good to others and sometimes intimidate them or rather belittle them.

Ornate hairstyles were prevalent in the high society of the Roman world:

Curl climbs on top of curl and over the forehead there arose something which at its best looked like the chef d’oeuvre of a master pastry cook and, at its worst, like a dry sponge. At the back the hair was plaited, and the braids arranged in a coil which looks like basketwork.

While outward appearances affect every believer, male or female (see Matthew 6; and 23:5-6), Peter particularly instructs married women about their priorities concerning true beauty. There is nothing wrong with dressing in a way that pleases one’s mate. It is no sin to be well-dressed (see Proverbs 31:22). But it is wrong to be preoccupied with outward appearances at the expense of inward beauty. A beautiful woman who lacks inner beauty and character is, according to Proverbs, like a pig with a gold ring in its nose.

Peter was a man in touch with reality, but time have changed, the world is fast changing and people have to change with it. It is now a common factor that without these ornaments, women now look less-attractive to brothers. Everyone is given a measure of faith, let it carry you as far as you could go.

Shalom!

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If this chapter is followed accordingly, then we can save a lot of money, resources and eventually preserve our ecosystem from degradation.

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Before one studies the scriptures, one ought to pray first for understanding and guidance from the Holy Spirit. Paul in that passage was pointing to the fact that God doesnt look at how beautifully dressed/braided/adorned a woman looks outwardly but He looks at the heart.

Many people study the scripture on the face value without seeking deep spiritual truths about the scripture. If a woman dresses in obedience to the standard Paul set out (dont quote me wrong - there is nothing wrong with this standard) and in her compound she wakes her neighbour up with quarells, keeps malice with friends, gossips, and is hateful, so by the face value interpretation of that scripture, is she qualified for heaven?

Paul's emphases was not on the order of dressing but on the quality of the heart.

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pls to all posters before you write me off as a female critic you would like to go through the thread.

i never said females are the only bad ones or are bad at all and my topic shows that i have not condemned but opened this topic for all opinions[ i have gone as far as posting why they wrote it].

i do not take the judges sit on this table for we are all spectators here.peace

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^^ paul had alot of personal opinion and said so in the scriptures

but that doesnt mean we should write it off

he told us so we know exaclty how to behave and dont misunderstand what has been written

alot of churches like to write off what paul says and likewise some churches take some of his sayings wrong and too seriously

he has said all those things under the influence of the holy spirit and likewise many of us get revealations from the holy spirit that wont apply to everyone

just like when he said its better not to be married or when he said we shouldnt drink wine i never hear people takin that seriously!

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There is nothing like PAUL'S PERSONAL OPINION. Its time we recognise the fact that ALL scripture were written by inspiration of God. Paul was just a scribe and nothing more. Every Word in the bible in its original form is from the Mouth of God.

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Gosh OP, you are so judgmental! There are many verses about being non-judgmental, how come you don't adhere to those?

BTW, given the way men groom today, can't the same principle extend to men? Yet, the poster has only focused on women. Typical.

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Why do christian brothers not follow the words of Paul in Ephesians 6? Stop pointing fingers on anyone. No one made you a judge. Besides your interpretation is wrong. Read the bible and let it minister to you and then share the love of God through his words. Maybe that would change that woman you are trying to convert to your church or trying to change her mode of dressing. It is the holy spirit that convicts.

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@donugapi

paul never said it was his personal opinion. theses were like guidelines if you have read the books of paul. Paul was trying to break Judaism ties by telling them that they were no longer under the law so he could not give his own laws for the law as he said is for criminals.[1.tim.1.10]

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Please, when interpreting the bible, ask God for interpretation. Do not use your own mind or thinking. He is asking women to concentrate on how to beautify their character, inner being and not to concentrate on how to beautify the outward appearance. He did not say do not wear jewelries. You are concentrating on KJV which most people are struggling to understand its english. Read other versions. Below are some:

New living translation says:

3 Don’t be concerned about the outward beauty of fancy hairstyles, expensive jewelry, or beautiful clothes. 4 You should clothe yourselves instead with the beauty that comes from within, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is so precious to God.

The message says:

3.What matters is not your outer appearance—the styling of your hair, the jewelry you wear, the cut of your clothes—but your inner disposition.

4.Cultivate inner beauty, the gentle, gracious kind that God delights in.

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what peter actually meant was that ladies should focus on inner beauty rather than outer beauty - he wasn't really condemning jewellry wear

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I quite agree that that was their point but if you read further in that chapter (if i'm not mistaken), Paul also mentioned that his words shouldn't be taken as a rule that must be obeyed cos that was just his own personal opinion and doesn't mean you're a sinner if you don't do what they say.

So many churches (esp in Nigeria) totally misinterpret what so many passages say and get so many people confused.

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i just realised that my idea of over dressing is different from yours and from paul's and peter's too so we couldn't measure it here. nice seeing all your views though.

but i should let you know that what paul and peter meant was that they did not want the women to be flamboyantly dressed as they felt those things were worldly and would also make them no different from the heathen women and would also tempt the men.they wanted their women to look modest and be the admiration of all men to differentiate them from the heathen who practiced sexual immoralities and as such dressed to attract men.

that was their point in the two verses.

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like i said

your definitiomn of skimpy will differ from everyone elses

i think you dont understand what paul meant and should go back to wat i said

it does not say THOU SHALL NOT WEAR JEWELLRY

it means we shouldnt spend too much time worrying abt outer beauty

as it was said in those times similar to now

jewellry and heavily braided hair signifies social status and wealth

and thats what paul told us to avoid

yes God looks at our hearts- but that doesnt mean people should go to church dressed shabbily and smelling because they dont believe in deodorant!

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i meant as paul said in 1.tim.2.9

Do u support God only looks at the heart so anyone can dress skimpily to church.

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