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Quran 36

10 It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.

11 You can only warn him who follows the Reminder (the Quran), and fears the Most Beneficent (Allah) unseen. Bear you to such one the glad tidings of forgiveness, and a generous reward (i.e. Paradise).

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@focus, back to sender

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@Focused123: « #120 on: Yesterday at 01:29:06 PM »

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You can continue saying ur madness from today till thy kingdom, who cares

'Allah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong doing to wander blindly' Quran 2:15

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Depending on the country, she resides. If she resides in any Muhammedan states, where 100% madness called Islam is practised, she would be killed.

If she resides in the western or any civilised society, she will get away with it.

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@ MUhsin

True saying. Rather, it should be judged by the life style of the leader. On this Muhammad failed, because  the hadith records that he suffered from a mental condition that made him think he had sex with his wives when he actually did not. Na wah for this kind prophet o wey dem come whinch like this! May be that was the reason he thought that that disembodied being that gave in message was Gabriel. Imagine, Angel Gabriel asking Muhammad to wipe out the Jews! That shows that the being was the Jews enemy- Satan. Clearly, Gabriel will be on the Jews side, and not on the side of people who drink other people's blood.

Anobi ni "I smile when I Kill"

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@Nezan

Please in al honesty, what would you do if I show you verses going against each other, saying different things?

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In America, if a wife leaves Islam "they" disassociate themselves from the wife. Her parents, His parents and close friends will turn their back on her. Eventually she is forced to go back.

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Nezan: Go get three types of Arabic Quran. Ask somebody to open each one of them to the same surah, any surah and look at each of them. You will see that they have the same character, different styles.

Then get KJV, Douwy, and NIV (before NIV is edited this year to come out with a new NIV: Lol), open any chapter and read enough of each of them and see if you will have letter for letter same in all!

I am trying to spoon feed you.

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If you go through the different versions of the bible, you will also discover that the only difference is style. Dont spoon feed me.

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Quranic versions from the mouth of Nezan is demostrated by the below, and I hope this is what we have of the Bible, too.

1) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK Allah. Let call this style of writing Hafs.

2) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK Allah. Lets call this style of writing Warsh.

3) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK Allah. Lets call this style of writing Uthmani.

4) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK Allah. Lets call this style of writing Kufar.

5) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK Allah. lets call this style of writing Basra.

6) [center]I AM A MUSLIM. THANK Allah.[/center] Lets call this style of writing another.

I can continue to list, and the writing will be the same except styles. Is the Bible like that? I mean do we have Douwy and KJV and NIV exactly containing the same wordings, but different styles/

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@alimat, ok, help me out.

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@Nezan,

English is not supposed to be ur problem, U are told to start a new thread for that.

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I mean this OP is about a wife leaving Islam. . .right?

Thus I say open a fresh on that issue. Period.

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You refuted the fact that your koran has many versions, that was why I was trying to disagree with you.

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A fresh thread may be more appropriate for such a subject, Nezan. Thanks

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This is far from truth, Nezan. And am sure you know that.

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The impression I wanted to correct was that, just as we have different versions of the Bible, the same goes for the koran, no need over flogging this issue.

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@Nezan: I read Hafs, Warsh, Uthmani writing of Quran. And am not an Hafidh of Quran. I know Sheikh Hassan, of Brooklyn, Sheikh Muhammad of Midtown Manhattan, just notable example among over a million around the world read all of the styles of Quran prints and none have said that one is incorrect.

when you pick up Warsh Quran, you know that the Qaf is written like Waa with a dot at the top, and the Faa is written like a Waa with a dot at bottom.

when you pick up Hafs Quran, you know that the Qaf is written like Waa with two dots at the top, and the Faa is written like a Waa with a dot at the top.

Now is that so difficult for you to absorb?

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Source:

http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/txo/koran.htm

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Readings No. 1 and 5 are of particular importance: the reading transmitted by Warsh is now widespread in Africa, except Egypt, where, as now in almost all other parts of the Muslim world, the reading transmitted by Hafs is observed.

Three of these prevailed, for uncertain reasons: Warsh (around 800 AD), Hafs (around 800 AD) and al-Duri Abu Amr (around 850 AD), with two others used in small regions. This represents five distinctly different versions of the Koran currently in use by Muslims in different parts of the world. Their separate justification for using their version is closely associated with their 'chain' or path of information from the Prophet Muhammad.

The five current versions of the Koran are:

The Transmitter Hafs, who is Hafs ibn Suleyman ibn Al-Mugheerah Al-Asadi Al-Kuufi (d. 180H):

His Qiraa'ah named Hafs from 'Aasim is the most popular reading of the Quran in the world today, except for some parts of Africa. Hafs was officially adopted by Egypt in 1924. His chain from 'Aasim:

He heard from 'Aasim ibn Abu Najud Al-Kuufi (d. 128H) who was Taabi'i, i.e, among the generation following the Sahaabah, who heard from Abu Abdur-Rahman Abdullah ibn Habib As-Sulami, who heard from Uthman ibn Affan and Ali ibn Abi Talib and Zayd ibn Thaabit and Ubayy ibn Ka'b, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).

The Transmitter Duuri, is Abu 'Amr Hafs ibn Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz ibn Subhan Ad-Duuri Al-Baghdaadi (d. 246H):

His Qiraa'ah named Duuri from Abu 'Amr is popular in parts of Africa like Somalia, Sudan as well as in other parts. His chain of from Abu 'Amr:

He heard from Abu Muhammad Yahya ibn Mubarak ibn Mugheerah Yazidiyy (d. 202H), who heard from Abu 'Amr Zuban ibn 'Ala Maziniyy Al-Busriyy (d. 154H), who heard from the Qiraa'aat from Sahaabis Ali and Uthman and Abu Musa and Umar and Ubayy ibn Ka'b and Zayd ibn Thaabit, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).

The Transmitter Warsh, who is Abu Saeed Uthman ibn Saeed Al-Misri, nicknamed Warsh, (d. 197H):

HIs Qiraa'ah named Warsh from Naafi' is popular in North Africa. His chain from Naafi':

He heard from Naafi' ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Abu Nu'aim Al-Madani (d. 169H), who heard from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn Al-Qa'qaa' and Abu Dawud Abdur-Rahman ibn Hurmuz Al-A'raj and Shaybah ibn Nisah Al-Qaadhi and Abu Abdullah Muslim ibn Jundub Al-Hudhali and Abu Rawh Yazid ibn Ruman, who heard from Abu Hurairah and Ibn Abbaas and Abdullah ibn 'Ayyaash ibn Abi Rabii'ah, who heard from Ubayy ibn Ka'b, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).

The Transmitter Suusi:

His Qiraa'ah named Suusi from Abu 'Amr is also found around the world in small parts.

The Transmitter Qaaluun, who is Imaam Qaaluun:

His Qiraa'ah named Qaaluun from Naafi' is popular in places like Libya in Africa. His chain from Naafi':

He heard from Naafi' ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Abu Nu'aim Al-Madani (d. 169H), who heard from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn Al-Qa'qaa', who heard from Abdullah ibn Abbaas and Abu Hurairah, who heard from Ubayy ibn Ka'b and Zayd ibn Thaabit, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).

In case Muslim readers should be greatly concerned: The variances between these different versions of the Koran are generally quite small and minor, although there are a substantial number of them. Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun has published a version of the (Hafs) Koran which contains the variant readings from the 10 Accepted Readers in its margins. About 2/3 of the ayat (verses) have some sort of variant reading. The great majority are differences in the vowels inserted in certain words (remembering that the early written kufic texts of the Koran did not include vowels or diacritical marks). There appears to be only one difference that might represent a significant effect on belief, that in surah 2:184. There are many Islamic scholars' discussions about these many differences. As an example of one, in Hafs, surah 2:140 reads taquluna, while in Warsh, that text is in surah 2:139 and reads yaquluna. Another example: Hafs surah 2:214 reads yaquula while Warsh surah 2;212 reads yaquulu. Muslim scholars agree that such variations do not seriously alter the meaning of statements made in the Koran.

The main point being made here is that the ORIGINAL texts associated with the Prophet Muhammad are not questioned, but that the absolute and precise accuracy claimed by Muslims regarding their modern Koran is not quite correct. The reality of the situation is very much like the Christian Bible, which had one Original source text but now exists in a multitude of language translations of that one Original text.

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Muslims today generally insist that their Koran is precisely the wording of the original, and they therefore criticize the many "Versions" of the Christian Bible (even though all those Versions are actually translations of the exact same original Greek and Aramaic source Manuscripts). But such a claim is incorrect. There were at least 14 variant Arabic versions of the Koran in common use around 900 AD, and possibly several more. These arose due to the method of writing and copying that existed at that time. (Short) Vowels were not recorded, only the consonants. The short vowels could sometimes be represented by a comma-like or slanting-dash mark either above or below a letter. Also, differences between 'b' and 't' and 'th', which are identical except for dots (points) that distinguish them, were unclear because the dots were not recorded in the consonantal text of the time. Other letter/sound pairs also have exactly identical symbols. Therefore, a reader or a copyist could sometimes read different actual words from the same set of symbols. No question regarding the ORIGINAL wording was involved, but rather the many variations arose due to writing and copying the texts.

As a result, a number of codices developed:

Very Early:

Uthmanic

Ibn Mas'ud

Ubay ibn Ka'b

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari

Ali

Zayd ibn Thaabit

Abu Dardaa'

Later, the Koranic scholar Abu Bakr Ibn Mujahid (early 900s AD) fixed on one system of consonants and some control on application of vowels, which resulted in the general acceptance of seven basic systems.

The Seven Qiraa'aat (i.e, Readings):

The 'seven readings' were standardized in the second/eighth century. Abu Bakr Ibn Mujahid (d. 936 AD), a ninth-century Muslim scholar from Iraq, wrote a book entitled The Seven Readings, in which he selected seven of the prevailing modes of recitation as the best transmitted and most reliable. Others were subsequently disfavoured and even opposed, among them the readings of Ibn Mas'ud and Ubay ibn Ka'b. However, this is not to say that one must restrict oneself to one of these seven readings, or to all of them. Below are listed the local origin of the seven readings and the names of readers and some later transmitters (in arabic 'raawis') connected with them:

Readers

Naafi' of Medina (middle 700s AD)

Ibn Kathir of Mecca (early 700s AD)

Ibn 'Amir of Damascus (early 700s AD)

Abu 'Amr of Basra (middle 700s AD)

'Aasim of Kufa (early 700s AD)

Hamza of Kufa (middle 700s AD)

Al-Kisaa'i of Kufa (late 700s AD)

Each of these seven actually had two variants, due to different pathways (Transmitters):

Naafi' of Medina by Warsh or Qaaluun

Ibn Kathir of Mecca by al-Bazzi or Qunbul

Ibn 'Amir of Damascus by Hisham or Ibn Dhakwan

Abu 'Amr of Basra by al-Duri or al-Susi

'Aasim of Kufa by Hafs or Abu Bakr

Hamza of Kufa by Khalaf or Khallad

Al-Kisaa'i of Kufa by al-Duri or Abul Harith

Fourteen accepted readings in all. Some scholars recognize even more, such as:

Place / Reader

Madinah / Abu Ja'far (130/747)

Basra / Ya'qub (205/820)

Kufa / Khalaf (229/843)

Basra / Hassan al Basri (110/728)

Makkah / Ibn Muhaisin (123/740)

Basra / Yahya al-Yazidi (202/817)

Kufa / al-A'mash (148/765)

The selected 'Seven Readings' of Mujahid were:

Place / Reader / Transmitter :

1. Madinah / Naafi' (d. 169H/785AD) / Qaaluun or Warsh (d. 197H/812AD)

2. Makkah / Ibn Kathir (d. 119H/737AD)

3. Damascus / Ibn 'Amir (d. 118H/736AD)

4. Basra / Abu 'Amr (d. 154H/771AD) / Suusi or Duuri (d. 246H/860AD)

5. Kufa / 'Aasim (d. 128H/746AD) / Hafs (d. 180H/796AD)

6. Kufa / Hamza (d. 156H/773AD)

7. Kufa / Al-Kisaa'i (d. 189H/805AD) / Duuri (d. 246H/860AD)

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if what said were true, you may have a point. but they are not, the reason you dont have an edition committee in the past 1400 plus years! if binding parchments into a complete book, is the edition that you mean, then the last one was during the kalifah of Uthman ibn Affan (RA), before the ascendancy of Ali AbiTalib (RA).

that is a mark differnce from whats gonna happen with the Bibeli in USA very soon. while Quran verse mentains that your book is corrupt, you help support the notion with all kind of proofs; thread on nairaland discussing versions of Bible, piting one against the other. another thread accusing a sect older by a newer one, while the newer one accuses even a more recent sect as heretic! talk about pot calling kettle black!

i hape you can see that 1400 plus years is 1400 plus years earlier and so doing advantage that so much so over what is about to happen to your Bible and you cant do anything about what decision your leader makes. it actually proofs what Quran said; you worship the word of your leader, by so doing you worship alse God(s)!

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@Nezan:« #81 on: Today at 12:55:57 PM »

Who commanded fasting on you, except Jesus was copying as to make sure that Moses' Mt. Sinai tradion remains. The same tradition you cancelled out on your own. The same tradition you nnow say its been reduced to Love your God and neighbor!

Ogbeni, stop this charade. Today, Darby Bible Company of America, the Publisher of NIV Bible is preparing to once more edit the Bible to make in your lifetime the Quranic verse that says that you have no Bible to stand on comes alive and be proven true, again!

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@ olabowale, your rather very long post doesnt change any of these facts:

*That Jesus is God the Son, at the name of which every knee shall bow, including yours and mohammed's

*That a typical muslim eats a heavy early breakfast and a heavy late dinner and claims that he is fasting

Now let me tell you, Christian fast is for spiritual upliftment in contrast to your claims that you fast to have a feel of the experience of the poor, let me tell you, why a rich muslim eats assorted foods in the morning and evening while claiming to fast, a poor moslem eats 'akara' with 'palp' in the morning and possibly a poor meal in the evening. That explains why poor muslims hide and eat at every time of the day during the ramadan fast.

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@Sleek29: The first reason we fast is on the pages of the Quran itself. Allah commands fasting on Muslim in Surah Baqarah. And the other reasons are in there, too. And one is to be a Muhsin (a doer of good for the pleasure of Allah only). Read the verses below, and you can even have sex at night, too.

2:183 Muhsin Khan: O you who believe! Observing As-Saum (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).

2:184 Muhsin Khan: [Observing Saum (fasts)] for a fixed number of days, but if any of you is ill or on a journey, the same number (should be made up) from other days. And as for those who can fast with difficulty, (e.g. an old man, etc.), they have (a choice either to fast or) to feed a Miskin (poor person) (for every day). But whoever does good of his own accord, it is better for him. And that you fast, it is better for you if only you know.

2:185 Muhsin Khan: The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the criterion (between right and wrong). So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Saum (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number [of days which one did not observe Saum (fasts) must be made up] from other days. Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Allah [i.e. to say Takbir (Allahu-Akbar; Allah is the Most Great) on seeing the crescent of the months of Ramadan and Shawwal] for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Him.

2:186 Muhsin Khan: And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright.

2:187 Muhsin Khan: It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum (the fasts). They are Libas [i.e. body cover, or screen, or Sakan, (i.e. you enjoy the pleasure of living with her - as in Verse 7:189) Tafsir At-Tabari], for you and you are the same for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned to you (accepted your repentance) and forgave you. So now have sexual relations with them and seek that which Allah has ordained for you (offspring), and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night), then complete your Saum (fast) till the nightfall. And do not have sexual relations with them (your wives) while you are in I'tikaf (i.e. confining oneself in a mosque for prayers and invocations leaving the worldly activities) in the mosques. These are the limits (set) by Allah, so approach them not. Thus does Allah make clear His Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelations, verses, laws, legal and illegal things, Allah's set limits, orders, etc.) to mankind that they may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).

2:188 Muhsin Khan: And eat up not one another's property unjustly (in any illegal way e.g. stealing, robbing, deceiving, etc.), nor give bribery to the rulers (judges before presenting your cases) that you may knowingly eat up a part of the property of others sinfully.

2:189 Muhsin Khan: They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage. It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, etc.) that you enter the houses from the back but Al-Birr (is the quality of the one) who fears Allah. So enter houses through their proper doors, and fear Allah that you may be successful.

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@Nezan:Hear this keferi, kiriyo man. Nezan, am talking to you with your worships of 3 gods in 1, and you have the strength to say that you fast. You know the Onifaas and the Onisongos, etc of yoruba traditional religions (animists) do fast, too. Who do they direct their fast to? Their gods, in their individual rites.

Now to you, we cant deny that you fast as christians. Thats obvious, at least the catholics do lent. Your dry fast is of your own desire, like all the others whims that you do out of group or personal desires. Who do you direct your your fast to: Is it father sitting on the throne, or is it Jesus the son who will sit or is siiting on the right side (and who is on the left? Lol) or the always docile Holy Spirit, until we see that he as an equal or less of a God in the three Gods, of the Trinity drove Jesus "into the wilderness" into the arms of Satan to "Tempt Jesus, at least 3 Times"? I dont wanna talk about how absurd the whole world at a glance in the temptation revealing the silly heroic image of impossibility that I will discuss it at another time, along with satan tempting "god" to give him what he already own.

Can anyone tempt you, nezan that he will let you be the husband of your lovely wife, when you are already her husband, with two beautiful daughter's from her and God willing if you are up to the task, still more in your future? If anyone can do that to you, then let me know, and I will tempt you from where I am, about her in your Abuja with some easy for you thing to do. And if you dont do it, then you have no "right" to her anymore! This does not make any sense, or does it, to you?

Or did Jesus himself got the tradition of fasting 40 days and 40 nights from the fast of Moses when he  received the Ten Commandments at Mt. Sinai? Notice that these were 40 days and 40 nights, and not less! Contrast that with the 3 days and 3 nights of Jesus promising to spend in the belly of the earth, in this case the group chose a mere cave (Please is that the belly of the earth? Grave is a belly, Michael is been encased into one), the sign of his prophethood, as the peoplr with "ye people of little faith", demanded. The three days and three nights "sign" is supposed to be similar to an earlier "prophetic sign", that of Jonah in the "belly" of the Whale.

While Jonah was swallowed alive by a Whale, Jonah remained alive in the belly and coughed out, after 3 days and 3 nights of Jewish day beginning and ending  were completed, different from what happened to Jesus, from Friday's just moments before sundown, and before day break of Sunday! Some tradition report that Jonah was swallowed by the first whale or a another fish, which in turn was swallowed by a larger whale,. But whether its one whale or the one was also swallowed by a bigger whale, Jonah's case was a complete miracle, well known to the total Jewish nations, as they are in nations of 12 tribes based on the male children of Jacob/Israel.

If Jesus of the Bible, the god of the christians made this "promise of giving a sign loke the sign of Jonah" and we read that it is at least a night short and or a day short, his prophetic promise is not fulfilled to this day, and if he died in the process, he failed woefully, while Jonah must be a better man, and I wonder why he is not the god of the christians, too?! Afterall, you christians love romantically heroic story, what happened to Jonah is a better story than what happened to Jesus. The Whale of Jonah moved about, even to the depth of the sea, either isolated of in pod with other Whales, but all the while Jonah was alive. When he was coughed out alive, Jonahonly had skinsore and nothing more!

Jesus on the other hand spent less than his own promised period of three days and three nights, in the belly of the earth, similar to Jonah's Whale's! Neither in the time spent or in any belly! Cave is not a belly, and if it was, the women with the oils to anoit a dead man or rob on the body of a"dead man, a corpse", is a no tradition of any of the 12 nations of Israel, were also in the belly of the earth! In every which way, the promise was not fulfilled.

Now going back to your fasting thingy, proof Islam wrong by becoming a muslim for the rest of the 19 or 18 days. You can start by taking the shahada, then make all the Salah, night and day and before dawn but after midnight. Then eat 10 portions of what you used to eat or as much as you can consume, for your beginning of the fast meal. In abuja that shoud be about 4.30 am, I think. Then you break your fast, say when the sun sets at about 7.30 pm, with your 10 times or regular meal, keeping all your normal daily activities. By the time the fast period of the remaining days, I guarantee that you will know that Khaki no be leda!

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who needs an ignorant slave of Allah like you to explain fasting to?

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Really ? Ignorant people believe fasting is only abstaining from food ? God have mercy on them. What makes you think people emanciate when fasting ? In this there is a lesson for the wise

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@Davidylan: It turns a roaring lion to a gentle feline, a cat meow, not purring though! Thats for the others. Why dont you become muslims for the rest of the ramadhan?

I think you are afraid that you may like it! Its gonna come, because am certain that down the line in your Ijebu Ode blood, some of your grand parents, etc was a muslim. Ask daddy, he will tell you, until the white people forced them to become Keferi, the same line you are tolling today.

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Did I tell you I need your apologies?

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@nezan, i apologize if you find my words offensive

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GUYS, please no personal attacks! We should not be fighting one another. Maybe we should be kinder and gentler people. I am adopting that attitude towards many if not all.

No fighting, please.

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Thank God am an opportunist who has a job and comes to work daily, not some jobless teenager who spens his entire time on NairaLand. How do you expect me to browse at home when I attend to family issues after work. As you earlier insulted me, you know I have my wife's pants to wash after work, so how do you expect me to browse at home, my boy?? ,,,,,,,, typical of a muslim mentality who has four women and consider them as properties, not as helpmeets.

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Nezan is just one chop alone and die alone man, am sure he cheats on his wife, he romances with office girls, watch Indecency on laptop or Computer at work, the guy is so greedy that he doesn't have internet connection in his home, he manage to come to NL and Indecency site with office laptop or computer, what an opportunist. Am sure you nezan can't read my post till you go to work. I have studied your time of coming to work and closing through ur login. timing. What an opportunist !

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true born again christians are unforgiving, whine alot, repeat the same thing over and again, as broken record, and very violent even though supposed to turn the other cheek! Nezan, how to like the nice come back?

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True, muslims are violent and the koran supports violence.

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Religion should not be judged by the practice of some of its followers.

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@Olabowale,

The boko-haram issue is not dead afterall, similar groups are still regrouping. The governor of niger state recently raised an alarm about them.

The fact that somebody is illiterate doesnt mean he believes that education is sin, BTW, have they gone on a killing spree against education?

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Nezan, how long you wanna beat the dead horse, of the boko haram? i have news for you, mister, in america, we have a lot of people who inspite of the affuence of this society are not educated, in the least. I have seen people who do not have a single pair of wearable shoes!

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This is why i say christian are gullible, they believe whatever they are told, from false miracle to lies. Without questioning, may God help us. The truth will always be threatened with tarnish but it will never succeed

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@ last post.

I tot it was part of the religion except now that you re refuting it.

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@Jookco: You live in Hayward or you lived there, where Yusuf Hamzah, a white man has Zaituna Institute, and all you have to do in that tiny little town, is to walk right in and ask all kinds of questions about Islam. What are doing is yelling about something that you see in Palestine where they are struggling against their ethnic oppressors, the Zionists. You are quoting Job etc from the Bible as if Islam was identified by it! Anyone and all religion can be read into that verse, including Judaism. I guess you may blame the Oil region people in Nigeria for struggling at least for their survival on their land! No? While I may completely disagree with the method, I am not blind to the fact that they have greviances.

@dexmond: The Alfa who is looking for male lizard is just that. Afterall, we now have ChrIslam in Nigeria, now. I wonder where these nonsensical engagements, away from Islam will lead these men claiming to be muslims, whereas their ways are far from what the Prophet (AS) demostrated? Is Islam now based on actions of individuals or is the individual's Islam confirmed or denied by Quran and the authentic Sunnah? The later is the obvious answer. While Islam stands on its own, the individual who claims to be muslim, must now demostrate his bonafide by how his actions agree with Quran in the way the prophet (AS) explained it.

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@dexmond: About killing, I think that you wanted to say that if Muslim killed a non-muslim, deliberately. But Allah says in many verses of the Quran that unjust killing and killing in general is not a permissabe act: In Makka period, which must include the Pagans as well and indeed the whole Makkan community, of what is revealed of Surah Baqarah at that time spoke about the three conditions which are natural for the family of the murdered to follow, even today. Look at the case of the Lockerbee, Scotland Airplane diasaster of 1988, the families of the victims are still angry even up till now; yet Libya had paid them real money as compensations for ther losses. But they want the accused who was convicted to continue to pay until death; keep him in jail/prison they demanded here. Some said they are unhappy that Obama is not pushing even harder. Some will be happy to get their hands on this convicted "killer" and kill him themselves, and that may just be the beginning of their healing process. Some may have forgiven him and moved on with their lives.

What am saying is that there is the naturality to human being of what Islam says. You will agree that no one looses a family to a murderer that will not be sad, and no one based on Christian's Bible saying that you should turn your other cheek for a foolish slap this second time will do it, if its abig boy with Rough hands that is going to slap you?

Again, Allah says that the taking of a single soul is like killing a whole humanity! It is rightly so, if we go back to the origin of mankind, Adam. We will also agree that an evil soul that is killed justly by the community is like killing a generation of evildoers, if the fruit is not usually fall far from the tree that produces it! Just killing we can not argue about, even though we may not like it. But we must consider the alternative of allowing injustice to reign from the hand of unjust person!

And what our mother said about the huddud of cutting the hand of the thief is correct with conditions: Usually it is not possib for the first time offender is caught. Allah does cover the shame until the person is so used to the evil that he/she becomes lax at it and it beomes normal to him. He does not see it as something evil, so Allah then reveal the secret so that he is caught and of course can be punished after due process. Read ahadith about what I just said about crie and punishment. Thank Allah that information source and gathering of it are now as easy as mouse, click.

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infact there was an alfa in my street, everytime, he will be looking for male lizards, don't know what he does with it. they also enquire from Ifa(divination)

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Listing you Islamic folks, I watch CNN Christian Amanpour Generation Islam, I wept because Satan have been using you folks with his wiles and false information, Children are being trained in the Palestinian to be suicide bomber, what you all need is Wisdom, the bible ask where can Wisdom be found job 22:12 and the same Chapter verses 28 Said the Fear of the Lord, the God of Isaac and Jacob is Wisdom and to depart from evil which is Islam is understanding.

Brothers and Sister how come the life of Islamist are full of strife, a little thing makes them angry and the react in way you can not believe, their Alpha mix the book with all king of substance that are used by native doctors to pray for people , this is pure nonsense called Islam, repent and be save Jesus is the way and the Live, but I'm convinced that you perish because you lack the kind of Wisdom that I just talked about, but one thing is real Jesus love you all and don't wish that any of you perish, the door is opened to you, your brothers and sisters from Iran and other Islamic nations like Pakistan are turning to Christ on daily basis, satan is a liar say no to him today and be saved.

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@olabowale

I actually desire to see a decent society. But the shariah is not the solution. You know it is nearly impossible to adapt the shariah to this modern age.

Al-Daarqatni quoted Muhammad in the Sunan as having said, "Neither the slaves nor the people of the Book are under any huduud." This hadith means that if a Muslim deliberately kills another Muslim, he will receive capital punishment . But if a Christian deliberately kills a Muslim, he will not receive legal punishment , but a less severe punishment (taziir), which is basically a heavy beating.

Ayesha, the mother of believers, reported, "I heard Muhammad say, ‘The stealer's hand is to be cut off only if what he stole is worth a quarter of a dinar (two dirhams) and beyond that’’.

How do you intend to apply the above?

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