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What is Grace and how is one saved by Grace?

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Sir, I am not pushing for an idea. I just state my views on the topic of discussion. What discussants make of my submissions is their own affair, not mine. Therefore I am not interested in converting any person nor will I persuade a single individual to change his or her beliefs.

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GRACE is God's part,FAITH is our part.without ur part ,u cant access GRACE.

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@lizton very true.

grace is the reason why we are living,

for he said we have all sinned and fallen short of glory, our righteousness is like a filty rag before him,

so grace is that unique factor that makes us able to stand in his presence. be cause we did choose him he chose us.

and this grace was given to us by jesus christ.

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Grace is , Unmerited favour. What a man dont deserve but given or have available from God is Grace. E.g. Mans expectation to make heaven could only come by Grace through Jesus Christ and not by mans high moral value etc.

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@Rampart:

I hear ypu, woman. In the maintime, let me try to hone my skill here, before I graduate to the Cultural corner.

@M_nwankwo: If you push the idea of grail message enough, I see a bunch of Christians going your way, rather than becoming Muslims. Fire in all its forms burn.

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I have never in any of my posts said that what I know to be a christian is derived from the bible. Neither have I said that the bible is the word of Christ. I do not agree that the bible is the word of Jesus Christ and that is the reason why I do not draw from it. However I respect the views of people like you who hold the bible as the word of Jesus.

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Then you have not carefully read the Bible. The Bible does not suppot your notion of Christianity without the Bible. Sacred scripture is important.

You are not a Christian if you do not draw from the words of Christ himself.

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d last time i checked there is a cultural section,where people from diff tribes show their language skills

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grace is priviledge  and hey don't ask me questions

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Toka ni mo fe ko. Yoruba shoro koo.

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@Olowo tee: Toki si otito kon to so? Mo nduro, ki nto lo kirun aila! lol. At least i am helping myself to Nigerianness on this board, writing in yoruba, sometimes.

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@JeSoul:

First I do not berate Christianity. However I challenge them to think about what they are saying about Jesus, at the same time diminishing other prophets, and unfortunately the essence of God. That is not even touch on the disregard of

Muhammad! Again, I am not bothered and not wondering about my agitating the conscience of the Christians. Afterall, we all human beings. I want good for each as much as I want for myself. And Christ, son of Mary is also my prophet (as)

He is well! Thank God. And am sure you are doing well, too. Your parents are fortunate folks. Thank God.

[OlowoTee (f)]« #28 on: Today at 01:42:25 PM »

Ori wipe iwa iwo sisi yi o daa! Have you seen me threatening anyone? Tabi ara e o ro, afi ti nba deru baa e? lol. Loo fee oko. Thats a good threat for you. What I am not, don't tag me with it. I am about good conversation. Provoking thoughts.

@ Missy B :

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heheheh, d xact part i wanted to quote from Olowotee.

If he likes,let him threaten frm today till Allah comes that if e eva wil/can Jesus comes.I'm patiently waitin for a day when i wil have enough time to show him why God is God above evry other god even Allah.

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Missy B, Allah does not come to anyone. People will have to return to Him. Inna lillahi wa inna ilehi rajiun; It is from Allah we come and it is to Him our return. That includes the return of Jesus, back to Him. And I am patiently waiting for the same day. But dont keep me waiting. The years are going very fast. So hurry. lol. I don't want empty rhetorics.

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So it is obvious that the is no christian unanimity as to what Grace is? hahaha.

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Jesoul

heheheh, d xact part i wanted to quote from Olowotee.

If he likes,let him threaten frm today till Allah comes that if e eva wil/can Jesus comes.I'm patiently waitin for a day when i wil have enough time to show him why God is God above evry other god even Allah.

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u could always learn there

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@JeSoul:

Who should have the greatest right to define what a Christian should be; Christ or any other person or group of persons? From your Bible, quote for me, the qualities that a true Christian should have. Then do me another favor; who gave in the Bible the description/definition of who a true Christian is, or should be? Am certain it will not be Jesus, or any of this 12 disciples. Sorry, 11 disciples, since Judas Iscariot killed himself. I sense it will be Paul. Correct me, please.

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I have studied the bible but do not draw from it. I do not see why people are suprsied about it. I have also studied the sacred books of other world religions and esoteric organizations but do not draw from any of them. I do not agree with the notion that you have to accept the bible or indeed any sacred texts before you are a christian. My postion is that a christian is one who loves God with all his heart and love his neighbour as himself. Simply put, anyone who recognises the laws of God or  the will of God and lives accordingly is a christian. It does not matter to the laws of God wheather you are a pope, an apostle, a prophet, a jew, a budhist, a christian, a catholic, a pentecostal etc. It is our activities (actions, words, thoughts, motives, intuitions) that counts before the laws of God. It is these expressions of our free will, that is, our activities that will elevate each one to the beauty and joy of paradise or catapult one to the torments of hell.  The argument of which sacred texts is the Truth is a waste of time and more importantly a waste of valuable spiritual energy. Many will not recognise this until they drop their earthly body.

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how can, you don't draw from the Bible.

huxley, o boy wetin be your own sef? good quesion, but na wa o, abeg make we breathe small.

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oh no,not huxley again

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Indeed,christain wey nor blive in bible stil dey pray make judgement day quick come!!!

God give us d grace to know d right tyns to do b4 that day.

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You can label me whatever you please. It is your choice. On the judgement day, it will be crystally clear to all who is a christian and who is not. Thanks

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na wa oh wonders shall never cease, a 'christian' that does not read/use the bible? please stop fooling yourself, you don't fit the biblical description/definition of who a true christian is.

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A christain is one who recognises the the teachings of Jesus and lives accordingly. The message of Jesus the son of God is life and it is indelibly written in all creations (visible and invincible). Divine messages are not in a book or books because it is life itself. I believe that anyone who loves God with all his heart and love his neighbour as himself is a christian. Such a person will be led to Jesus and experience his Message which is life. I will not quote biblical passages to support reincanation since I do not draw from the bible.

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I f you are a christain,the bible should be everything you draw from.If you believe in God ,you must also believe in the bible.As for reincarnation,i don't believe in it and i'm in no way ready to argue abt that now.But does the bible tell us reincarnation is true?(rhetorical ques)

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It is ok if you disagree with my statement. I understand your position but disagree with it. To get what you do not deserve contradicts justice. I believe that God is the living Justice. To get what you do not deserve makes mockery of justice. I am a christian but do not draw from the bible. I also believe in reincarnation and know that I have been on earth several times in different bodies. A lot of what people call grace and destiny can be traced to activities in former earthlives. Unfortunately, most people are not conscious it, hence the see circumstances in their own lives as arbitrarly. My position is that we reap what we sow even when we have forgotten what we sowed. Jesus did not take any persons punishment. He gave men the words of God and with the words of God, men can wash their sins and work out their redemption and salvation.

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Nwankwo,i TOTALLY disagree with your second sentence.

Jst some ques.

If you're a christain,What seed did u sow in d past that merits d gifts of God that u enjoy today?

What good have u done that moved God to allow his ONLY son take your punishment?

Grace is gettin what u don't deserve.

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Grace is not an unmerited favour even though it may appear to be so. Grace is the harvest of the good seeds that we sowed in the past. Because the activities of our spirit reside in the spirit, not in the brain, most people are not physically counscious of the seeds that gave rise to the fruits that they are harvesting. Thus they regard it as an unmerited favour since they cannot counsciously trace the fruits of the harvest to the seeds that gave rise to the fruits. Grace lies in the laws of God which offers both reward and punishment depending on how man uses his free will. Grace is the manifestation of the law "whatever you sow, you shall reap".Spiritual guides are aware of the the good fruits that have ripened for us according to our deeds and they lovingly guide us (without the brain being aware of it) to places, events, circumstances etc that triggres the earthly manifestation of these good fruits. Grace is snonymous with providence. It is a manifestation of the love and justice of God.

Only the man that lives in the laws of God is saved. Equally, only the man that lives according to the laws of God is free. The actiivities of such a saved one will always radiate justice, love, peace, harmony, joy etc. Thus, recognition/obedience to the laws of God is the only criteria for salvation.

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Good!!Feel free to ignore any of them.

Are you married?

Have you ever at any point in ur life felt der's a God smwhere?

got more.

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What are your questions?

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wow, i love that, i will start using that, cos it is not only do make sense, but so much truth.

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seems like u know it better already, so lecture us then, i thot it is a forum of sharing what we know and not trying to outsmart one another.

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I will say is getting something that you dont deserve.

Christ death for you and I, we dont deserve it, cos it is not by our good deeds, but cos of his love.

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Grace is God's unmerited favour.Infact everything that we are is through grace.

G-God's

R-richies

A-at

C-christ's

E-expense.

Huxley,u re not askin these ques to learn bhut to find fault.May God help you.Besides u haven't granted ma request.Said i have sm ques for u.

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