What really is a soul, the word has been bandied around for so long and after reading some books(Thought provoking) I will really want to know what exactly a soul means. Where exactly does it reside in the human body.
What really is a soul, the word has been bandied around for so long and after reading some books(Thought provoking) I will really want to know what exactly a soul means. Where exactly does it reside in the human body.
The people that developed what I talked about ranged from christians, some were catholics whom catanthom protestants consider not to be christians and others where protest whom catholics consider not to be christain of them. Others were atheist and jews, some were buddhist, shinto, from japan and china.
The bottom line is no one has gotting any formula for creating or forming any compound from the bible. Non of them got any inspiration from the bible because the bible is against such kind of knowledge and says that god alone gives knowledge. There is NOTHING in the bible that has helped humanity or will help humanity solve its problem or help man to to better understand the world. God did it is the only clue that the bible offers. Scientist have searched the every where they can and they did not see god in any of their finding rather they found answers that contradict what is written in the bible and other religious scriptures.
I read recently that a cure for natural blindness has been found and will be out in the open by 2012, Bionic limbs and eyes are now used by people, Vaccines for diseases have been found, ways to mitigate the effect of tsunamis and hurricanes have also been found and will soon be used. Non of these knowledge that saves and preserves human life was ever and will ever be found in the bible.
You are talking about the life span of man uh? How many life span has technology improved? Have any one ever lived beyond those that lived before? Do you remember Methuselah of 969yrs? How many people even just one has ever lived by the reason of technology and medicine you mentioned to that age? You talked about medicine and all that have to do with man health, haven't you read from the scripture some things of such? I've live my life up till now without the help of medicine. Do you really know what is called divine healing which is above all medicine? How many has technology resurrected from the dead which i have a life story on? Just tell me how technology has improved our life span? Infact it destroyed more than it helps!!!
Now to the nature that has ever existed till now. How many things has the nature destroy if not what you called modernization and technology? Where do those that developed all you mention derived their materials from? Do they built what they build in isolation? Can't you see the futility of Man without God?
I want appreciate you for that. Infact, thanks alot for opening my eyes to that which you've mention.
With sincerity of heart did i accept all that you've said. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN WHICH ALSO I WANT YOU TO ANSWER.
WHO ARE THOSE WHO DEVELOPED ALL THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED? THE CARS, THE AIRPLANE, THE TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS OF LIKE, THE UNIVERSE AND HER PLANET? IS IT A PAGAN? OR A SERVANT OF Allah? OR ARE THEY CHILDREN OF GOD CALLED CHRISTIAN? AND BY WHAT WISDOM WERE THEY DISCOVERED? THE EARTHY OR HEAVENLY? BY Allah(SUN GOD) WISDOM OR BY THE POWER OF HIM(JEHOVAH GOD) WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE?
Please answer in sincerity if you know.
Now to what i have in my heart to share with everyone. One of the thing the Lord has taught me is that "YOU DON'T TEACH PEOPLE WHAT YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCE NEITHER CAN YOU GIVE THEM WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. To some of us this is the truth, what we post and what we argue on are something we have never experience neither do we have it in our custody. And our problem is that WE HAVE NEVER BEEN TAUGHT BY THE LORD NOR HAVE WE LEARN OF HIM NEITHER HAVE WE CREATED ROOM FOR HIM TO TEACH US HIS WORDS. All we ever do is to put our head knowledge into His words thinking we will derived anything from them but nay we cannot. And i say unto everyone of us, GOD'S WORDS CAN NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD BY YOUR OWN ABILITY OR INTERPRETATION. THE TRUTH IS A PERSON AND YOU MUST APPROACH HIM BY HIS OWN METHOD NOT BY YOUR OWN NOR BY WORLDLY METHOD. No amount of books your read, the school you go(went) to including your theological school, the technology and science you study or whatever you acquired can NEVER cause you to understand an iota of a verse in the scripture. Infact, your head will just swell up with earthly knowledge without the life of God. I say unto everyone of you that God's words are not to meant to be debate on neither is it for arguement the more you debate and argue on it the more confusion and darkness it brings.
It is time to learn OF CHRIST, IT IS TIME TO RETURN TO THE PLACE OF HEARING GOD AND FOLLOWING HIM. Its time to stop debating on God's words which amount to nothing but knowledge without life. It is time to be more desirous of His presence. The truth of His word can only be made manifest to you when you desire Him more than discussing or arguing about His word. My admonition is that we should seek the Lord concerning this matter, He is willing to teach us His words. And one more thing, i feel like saying this, ''Yea, darkness even gross darkness is already here upon the world and your escape is not in arguement or debating on His world rather is in His presence'' I say unto you that if all you ever want to do is debate and argue, till this darkness invade and swift you off your foot you will not know.''
Its time for all of us to go back to the place of HEARING GOD, FOR THERE LIETH OUR STRENGTH. May the Lord be gracious to us and may He keep us from this gross darkness. Yea, may His love carry us away into His presence so that we will not be hook by this darkness. Lord Jesus may You do this for us, to the glory of Your name. Amen
EXCUSE ME, Let me open some scriptures and after that say what is in my heart. These all talk about soul Gen 2v7, 12v5,13, 17v14,19v20,27v4,19,25,31. 34v3,8. 35v18, Exodus 12v4,15,19. 30v12,15,16. 31v14, Lev 4v2, 5v1,15. 16v28, Deu.6v5 13v3, Lets jump. Job 10v1, 30v16(Note: POURED), 33v14-30. Psalm 19v7, 31v9,49v8(to mention few) Isaiah 10v18,53v12(what did HE poured on the cross?) micah6v7 (note also how soul was used there), Matthew10v38(note He mention body and also soul as a separate things) matthew11v29,16v26, 22v37, Mark 8v36,37. , Luke21v9, 1cor.15v45(note living soul and quicken spirit. Two different things) 1thes.5v23(note 3 things mention and they are different) hebrew4V12, 10v39 1peter 1v9(salvation of soul) 3John1v2. Rev.6v9,16v3 20v4.
These are just few verses that talk about the soul, the body and the spirit as as different entity but in the same body. IF I'M TO ASK, WHAT DID JESUS POURED OUT ON THE CROSS? Is it his body or Blood(which equal to his Soul) read isaiah53v12 again.
The same "earthly" knowledge you despise is the knowledge man has used to understand the world and how the forces of nature operate. The same "earthly" knowledge you talk about is what men have used to build cars, airplanes, computers, improved medical delivery which increases the lifespan of men and heal them from various diseases. How has the word of your god helped humanity in understanding the world better? Any formula in the bible as to how to make better medicine and heal diseases? Anything in there on how to stop or reduce the effect of natural disasters? Anything on how a nation can better its economy and the economic situation of its citizens? Anything in there that will help people live more healthy lives?
As for this word of god that you keep repeating all the time, do you know that men voted on it to be called the word of god? What you call the word of god today is what some men about 1500 years ago decided to call the word of god by voting it into becoming the word of god and destroying others that did not pass through the voting process. If there is anything like the word of god it will not have over 80 different translation of the english version alone and over 30,000 sects all struggling to understand it. Jesus whom you guys refer to as the word of your god did not write any part of the bible, its really astounding that the person you refer to as the word of god(jesus) did not write any part of the book you call the word of your god(bible).
Hmmm. Just wondering what you are all driving at concerning this matter? Some the enemy has succeeded in deceiving them the existence of him, so also has he deceived some concerning very matter which has to do with their eternal life. Have you not know or has it not been told you that men of deeper searching and knowledge are not always wise neither has God chosen the educated one to be taught in His ways. Infact, the foolish of the world has He choosing to confound the wise. For by the world wisdom the world doesn't know God and it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believed. For the Jews required a sign and the Greek(the unbelievers(though they may be christian having their bible) and pagans or the Gentiles world) seek after wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, unto the jews a stumblingblock and to the gentile(including LUKEWARM christians and pagan) foolishness. But unto them which are CALLED both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
HOW LONG SHALL YOU DEBATE ON GOD'S WORDS. DO YOU THINK BY YOUR DEBATE WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING WILL BE GRANTED NAY BUT MORE CONFUSION AND DARKNESS!!
I'M JUST WONDERING IF ANY OF YOU HAS EVER LAY DOWN HIS OWN WISDOM TO OBTAIN CHRIST OWN. YEA, YOU SEARCH THE SCRIPTURE THINKING IN THEM UNDERSTANDING WILL BE GRANTED AND LIFE NAY FAR BE IT FROM IT, THE PLACE OF HOLY SPIRIT AS A TEACHER TO TEACH YOU HAVE YOU NEGLECTED. For i'm yet to be convince that most of the things posted here are from HOLY SPIRIT, NOT SO BUT THEY ARE FROM THE SOULISH LIFE AND THESE WISDOM YOU POSTED ARE NOT FROM ABOVE BUT IT IS EARTHLY, SENSUAL(SOULISH) AND DEVILISH.''' All I see is that devil has so deceived YOUTH INFACT AGED AND LEARNER THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR SOUL, HAS HE HAS ALSO CHEATED THEM OF THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR SPIRITMAN.
THE ANTIDOTE OF KNOWING IF YOUR SOUL EXIST OR NOT IS TO SEEK THE LORD HIMSELF IF YOU ARE TRUELY HIS OWN, FOR MANY GOATS AND COWS THAT CLAIMED TO BE GOD'S OWN ARE NOT, THE LORD DETEST THEIR STRENGTH BUT IF YOU ARE A SHEEP IN HIS PASTURE I CAN GUARANTEE YOU 100% THAT HE WILL TEACH YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS.
, God breathe on it (the body made from dust) and man became a living soul', 'the soul that sinneth it shall die', I pray God ypour whole Spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless till the coming of the Lord'
The above are some of the verses in the bible that referred to 'Soul'. From the above some points stand clear:
1. In Genesis Man has- Body (from the dust), breathe of God (spirit), and soul.
2. Man consist of spirit, soul and body
3. Soul is unique to an individual (soul that sinneth it shall die)
The body is what we are able to see- obvious.
Jeus said a spirit has no flesh or bone, so our spirit is the breathe of God (God is Spirit) in us. While Soul is that part of an individual which makes us unique and able to stand before God after our body is dead. The spirit sort of make the soul immortal. It is with the soul and spirit energized by either the Spirit of God or Satan that many humans are able to find themselves in places while their bodies are lying somewhere else e.g witches, astral travel, visions, some dreams etc. While we all have the same breathe from God that continue to replicate as we reproduce ourselfs, the components of our bodies are inherited from our parents while the Soul is unique to us. spirit and soul at times are used interchangeably like stephen said 'Lord Jesus receive my spirit' because both are inseparable.
Some call it the seat of self consciousness. It is a spiritual being as it is not from the dust. Difficult to explain, but in practice those that engage in some of the above mentioned exercises know that man has another 'body' with which he appear 'unique' in any place very identical with the shape and features of his visible body but not terrestrially material like the physical body.
The body goes to the grave or cremated, or turn to dust if not preserved by chemicals While the spirit in/and the soul go to stand for immediate judgement after death and stay either in heaven or hell (a form of Remand), for the ultimate trial after reunion (resurection) with the body in the last day.
I keep "embarrassing" myself? this is an ad hominem. How do I keep "embarrassing" myself? What do you mean by "what is this rubbish about the brain"? It has been shown empirically that the brain is responsible for all what you talked about not the "spiritual consciousness". Do you have any empirical evidence to show the spiritual consciousness is responsible for any of the things you wrote?
You have not been able to coherently define what the soul is, so far you have only mixed incoherent words that you yourself can not really explain or provide any evidence for as the soul. Your definition of the soul is just a play of words that does not make any sense to me. You talk about the soul being a non body unconscious personality Please what does this mean? In what part of the human body does this "unconscious personality reside"?
The meaningless and absolute rubbish you go to talk about things you do not even know. A simple I don'T KNOW will do. You don't have to keep lying and embarrassing yourself just because you want to convince yourself about what is non existent.
The basis for instincts, acumen and all moral knowledge is the BRAIN and empirical evidence has been provided to show that it is the basis for all of them. If you disagree then PLEASE provide your own empirical evidence that shows that scientist are wrong in showing that the brain accounts for the basis of all the things you said. Every body can make wild assertions. it is up to the person that makes the wild assertion to provide empirical evidence to back up his claims.
Yes. Where is your empirical evidence that shows that the soul out lives the human brain(consciousness).
I don't want to appear as if I am asking too much questions but what really is non body and unconscious personality? The brain has been empirically shown to be the basis for instincts and acumen,dreams and all decision making including knowing how to differentiate between what is right and wrong. A person who's brain is unconscious can not know what is right and what is wrong and has no instinct and acumen. It has been empirically shown that the brain controls all the things you have said about the soul unless if you mean the brain is the soul.
Are you saying that the brain survives human death? All the things you attributed to the spiritual consciousness have been empirically shown to be a function of the brain.
I don't think it does.
Well knowing how this line of arguments tend to draw to, It is pertinent I ask u to also define a soul. but fair enough u dont know what a soul is.
The spiritual consciousness of a man refers to the entire composition of a person, his non-bodyand unconscious personality.
Which is usually the basis of instincts, acumen, decisions to acknowledge right from wrong, the subsequent rewards/consequences et all.
The spiritual consciousness is the part that survives from the human structure after death and as such receives eternal life.
I believe the clarification above addresses this questions
should I take this as ur definition of a soul?
You "definition" is not only false but truly embarrassing. You said that physical consciousness is derived from the soul. But ALL empirical evidence point to the brain as the source of ALL human consciousness. So your claim is VERY false. If you insist that human consciousness is derived from the soul then you have to provide empirical evidence to show for it.
What you call the soul is what I call the brain. Empirical evidence show that the brain is the ONLY source of human consciousness everything about human consciousness begins an ends in the brain. Where is your evidence that show that the soul is where the human consciousness is derived from? Every body can make wild assertions.
You made the wild assertion so you have to defend or provide evidence to back up your wild assertions.
It is very clear that you are not interested in having any meaningful conversation. I admit that I don't know what the soul is, you claim to know what it is and gave a definition of what the soul is according to your own understanding. Your answer raised more questions than it actually answered. You made some assertion, I believe you should be able to explain them.
Here are my questions again.
What do you mean by spiritual consciousness of a man? How is the soul distinct from the body, how does it affect the human body and in what part of the human body does the soul reside?
What really is a soul? I just don't know what to make of jagunlabi definition of what the soul is.
True nobody really wants to tell me what the soul really is, The atheist are more interested in trying to show that there is nothing like the soul. That is not what I asked I just asked what the soul is. Any body that can explain should please help me define what the soul is that's all I asked.
jagunlabi is a prime example of a sad fact. These atheists who lampoon the bible as being a weird collection of myths dont seem to have a clear understanding of their own convictions.
For instance jagunlabi believes that a soul exists, that the soul is eternal (much like the bible), he believes that the "kingdom of heaven" exists (why its called heaven or a kingdom at all is beyond me neither does he himself understand) . . . he believes his unproven "kingdom of heaven" is within us (just stealing shamelessly from Luke 17:21 . . . even though he calls the bible a myth) . . .
What really does Jagunlabi believe? The soul hovers around after death, goes nowhere and manifests itself in physical things? How? This same jagunlabi forever crying for "proof" of christian beliefs cannot even show us tangible proof of souls of men who have become "physical things" like tables, chairs, dogs or lizards?
What really do atheists believe?
which leaves me even more confused. Help me out here . .
1. If the soul "goes nowhere" then what is the point of an eternal soul?
2. What does the soul continue to manifest itself as? what physical things?
3. Any proof of these happenings?
Now you leave me doubly confused.
1. What "kingdom of heaven"? whose kingdom? yours or that of a God you claim doesnt exist? Where did this your kingdom come from? What is it like?
2. Why are you stealing a phrase "the kingdom of heaven is in you" from the bible you dont recognise as true?
Now i'm confounded . . . can you CLEARLY enunciate what you mean by us finding out who we truly are? What is awareness?
The soul goes nowhere.There is only one consciousness that manifests into all the things you see in the physical world and that includes your own physical body.
When you die,it is only the physical that dies,the consciousness continue it's manifestations into other physical things.It is a neverending eternal cycle.
To be aware of your eternal self,you have to be pointed inwards because the kingdom of heaven in which your true self resides in IN YOU.
By turning your attention to worshipping external deities like Allah or Jehovah,religions are turning us away from looking within to looking outside of us for salvation.
Now our salvation lies within us and not without.That is why i said that religion prevents us from knowing who we truly are,for when you get to know who you truly are,you have found your salvation.
I don't expect you to understand these things,but that is okay.
i agree with most of your comment. immedaiately a man dies, what remains consious is the soul. On our journey back to the spiritual a soul dies in the ethereal planes releasing the spirit to continue its journey if its destined to get to the spiritua;. But lets all not ight over this. lets jsut argue constuctively . afterall we and life all started from the same process
Your SOUL is your BEING,who you really and truly are.The eternal you.The part of you that was never born and will never die.That your very SELF that religions do not want you to be aware of.
There are many terms for it;
They all mean the same thing,basically.
What stops u from producing this OBVIOUS evidence that supports ur misinformation?
1. first u FALSELY claim that there is nothing called a soul
2. secondly u IGNORANTLY attributed thoughts and emotions to be attributes of the soul but done by the brain.
3. thirdly u now state again that the soul exists separately from the brain if at all it exist.
are all these three not contradictions? whats the basis of assuming that the soul is separate from the brain "if at all it exists"?
whats the basis of FALSELY claiming that soul has to do with just thoughts and emotions?
keep Erupting ur ignorance . . . . .u have never heard of near-death experiences, have u?
What is the misinformation in what I have said? Do I need to provide any evidence for the obvious? It has been shown that the brain controls everything when it comes to thought and actions of the human body. Both voluntary and involuntary action are all controlled by the brain. If something bad happens to the brain the body suffers. The soul, apparently, must be somehow separate from the brain it it exist. there is no evidence for such part of the body existing, all empirical evidence point to the brain as the center of control of all activities in the body. If there is a soul then you are yet to show me where it is located in the human body and how it affects the human body as a whole.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THE SOUL?
The brain controls everything when it comes to human consciousness and when the brain dies off everything dies with it.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WHICH SHOWS THAT THERE IS A PART OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS THAT SURVIVES BODILY DEATH.
Nothing like the soul exist, Empirical evidence as some have said points to the brain as the part of the body that controls all thoughts and emotions. The is no evidence to show that there is any part of the human body that survives bodily death. The soul exist only in the imaginations of theist.
Bindex yane? Na jidadin article da ka kopu ka yadda anan. . . . . .
All empircal evidence shows that the "person" is defined by the brain, no magical "soul" involved at all. It can be empirically shown that the brain is the source of all thought and emotions. It can be empirically shown that there is no effect of the brain that goes on after death. It can be empirically shown that every kind of knowledge and everything people do can be mapped onto the regions of the brain. Everything we do is explained by brain activity and we can do nothing without it. It can be empirically shown that the brain is nothing more than a complex biochemical machine. Sure scientist are still learning about the details of the brain, but we know all of what I said and more. Without question, scientifically we can categorically state that there is no soul or spirit in a human all these are ancient constructs of medieval men.
It cannot be shown that there is any way for a consciousness to exist outside of a brain of some kind. Immaterial things can be empirically shown to have no consciousness of any sort and cannot have any such thing. Spirits have never been detected anywhere at any time. People who tell you otherwise are selling something or they are delusional. People can fool themselves and can have hallucinations and dreams that they interpret as spiritual meetings or revelations. These can be induced in the laboratory and personally with drugs. They are effects of the physical brain and nothing more.
The idea of a soul can be traced to ancient superstitions and ignorant ideas simple nothing more nothing less. . Every scrap of evidence points to the brian as the center of all thoughts and imaginations and nothing can be demonstrated otherwise. As much as we can know anything, we know that there is no such thing as a soul. It is no more than a poetic reference to the essence of a person which is all in the brain and dies with the body.
I totally disagree with you for saying someone who does not believe in spirits or souls is a kid or does not know what he is doing on earth.
When you sleep at knight ; YOU DREAM. And dreaming is not peculiar to any race, religion or sex, we all dream. In fact all mammals and even birds are known to perform REM sleep, which is associated with dreaming. So the ability to dream does not indicate we have a soul or spirit.
All through my youth days i was trying to understand the difference between mind, soul and spirit, and up till today, i do not understand what those terms mean, maybe you can explain them.
There's absolutely nothing like a soul! What we have is a body,body and body. . . . This whole fairytale about spirit and soul is ridiculous to say the least.
How many people have seen a soul or spirit?. . .just because some primitive story book says you have a soul doesn't mean you actually do have it.
My bone of contention was with the claim that the original was Greek, but you've withdrawn that now.
What might help further demonstrate your point was if you gave us the original hebrew words for these 3 terms, make, create and form. and show how they are used different in ancient hebrew texts.