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What's Wrong With African Religions?

I have always wondered why it is so easy for us Africans to embrace Christianity.

We aren't the only colonized people, the Asians have managed to hold on to their religions and languages( which makes up most of our identity) and some how Nigerians have only disdain for the old ways.

I met a man recently and when he said he wasn't Christian but follows the old ways (ancestors et al) my first reaction was wary. Now I wonder why.

Right now I'm in Brazil for the carnival and couldn't be more impressed. if the slaves with all they went through, found ways to hide their worship till this day, what does it say of us?

Our movies haven't helped matters as all traditionalists are evil.

Please, this is supposed to be a civilized discussion not why Christianity is the only way. To each her own.

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Horus you are too good for this people,don't argue with them,just say it. The blind need to be led.

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I think the question should be, what's right with African religions? I am a Christian and I made the choice willingly. It's only in the Bible that I saw mercy, grace, righteousness, holiness and JUSTICE. Yoruba religion left TOO much to be desired.

If African religions can justify their "rightness", then we can discuss.

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Do you have to believe in rivers, stones or trees as object of worship. The African Religion in my opinion and according to God Himself is an act of ignorance. Worship of many gods/false deity is considered wrong because in truth, have they created anything at all?

The history of African religions have things connected with human sacrifices, oppression. To me, in a civilized world the worship of Ogun or Oya is barberic and expresses man's ingratitude to his real Creator- God Almighty

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There is only ONE God in the whole of the universe. We only have different ways of worshipping or getting through to him.

Christians call Jesus, Moslems worship Allah, some people get to 'Olodumare' through Sango, Oya, Ifa Olokun a soro dayo (a La Yemi Elebuibon), the Jews worship yahweh, they don't believe Jesus is the messiah. In India, their religious is 'bhakti' - a devotion to personal gods, this is just to mention a few.

The problem with our people is they want to be like 'Oyinbos'. In embracing their culture, they have completely forgotten ours. This covers all aspects of life - dressing, behaviours, our schools, our chilren do not even understand or speak our languages anymore.

And the irony of the whole thing is these oyinbos want to be exactly like us: www.oyotunjiafricanvillage.org

'This is United States of America, where a white american HRH Oba Efuntola Oseijeman Adelabu Adefunmi I, is one of the most important practitioners of Traditional African Religion in the Western Hemisphere. He is not only credited as the first initiated African-American, but also as one of the pioneers of cultural nationalism in America and the first African-American to be crowned King (of all Yoruba in the Americas and Canada).' Their religion is Ifa oracle.

If these oyinbos are embracing our culture, is it not shameful we've lost everything?

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if u wan serve mami water na u sabi, as for me and ma house we will serve the LORD, but one advice - there is only one way to salvation and one Messiah for our world and dat is JESUS.

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The missionaries came and brainwashed us. And we forgot our roots. There is nothing wrong with African religion.

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The problem with African religions is that we abandoned it and accepted already corrupt religions -- Catholicism, Protestanisim, Pentecostalism and The Great Religion. If the missionaries had the true Christianity they would have helped us improve our own culture and religion. We would have improved our culture till it becomes completely God pleasing. Christianity is not a religion but a way of life, it doesn't force people to accept foreign customs, religion and languages. Our own customs should have been reformed and improved not abandoned.

I will give two examples:

1.) Imagine catholics teaching Africans converts to pray through saints all of who are Europeans. 

2.) Imagine Great Ones teaching African converts to pray to God only in Arabic.

Are these instruction for the spiritual benefit of the converts or are these agendas to promote Arabic and European culture? Even a child can tell that the idea behind this is to conquer and increase their culture in foreign lands -- cultural slavery!

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This goes to show that so called African Christians are neither really Christians nor are they really African traditionalists. They simply replace the African ancient gods with the God of Christianity. They kept the practice of African religions only under the cloak of a false Christianity. I have heard of pastors telling people that their lack of progress is due to their girlfriend's, wife's, mother's, or neighboor's witchcraft. This is exactly what some the ancient native doctors told people, it is never a Christian practice. A true Christian knows that living aright(Christlike living) automatically protects him from any form of witchcraftcy. I have never seen a white(Caucasian) pastor give such wicked diagnosis. This shows you that some of the African pastors, eventhough they call themselves Christians, their spiritual maturity is still at the same with ancient African native doctors(dibia).

Check out this thread:

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=29429.msg686053#msg686053

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@Backslider 

Thanks for you guy's contribution but my conviction remains in the fact that Jesus' death was murder committed by mankind and it is against the will of GOD.

But there is no need going round and round over the issue, and besides it is not exactly what this thread was created for. Perhaps, I will open another thread specifically on the issue of the crucification of our Lord Jesus.

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@lady f

sorry to barge in and first all im a christian,but from some scenarios i have witnesed in naij all religions have a positive as well as a dark/negative side to it, i have seen people putting keys in the middle of bibles and making the bible turn and also heard of some white garment churches using some parts of the bible and candles to bring some harm unto others, there was something i read in the papers when i went to naij on hols about a certain white garment pastor that specialises in praying and giving spiritual guidence to drug mules amongst other instances, so i think it actually depends on the individual/individuals and not on the religion

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I am so happy that Obalende has put some points to you. Hell fire is the Perfect Absence of God. The wrath of God is hell. Escape it now so that you will enter into his mercy.

You see this end time people preach God as a peaceful toilet roll type of entity. I say God is angry with the Wicked day and Night. The ax is laid on any tree that does not bring forth fruit.

The Lord has put on his battle vest ready for the blood of the wicked. His eyes are red as fire his feet is swift as a man read for war. Flee the evil to come enter in the blood convenat that the Lamb Gives.

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All traditional religion wether african, Asian, American etc have all these in common: MYSTICISM, SPIRITISM and OCCULTISM. If they have live in it, TRY JOINING one of the numerous lodges in town but it is a dangerous venture, I WARNED![/color][color=#990000][color=#990000][/color]

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What's Wrong With African Religions?

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@ m_nwakwo

Bro, please read my Post(s0 and you will see things from a clearer angle. What you posted is as a result of your critical observation of things but I'd love that you see things from the perspective God would love you do.

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@just cool

Adam is metaphorical man who represents the whole of mankind. If Adam was an actual man, then God wouldn't punish his(Adam's) descendants for a sin that their father Adam ccommitted. God doesnt punish people for the sins of their fathers for this is injustice. Only humans do such a thing IE-- a fathers teaches his children to do evil, this evil will remain in the family and they will keep suffering from it until the children stop doing it. Hence your bible said: "the sins of the fathers shall be visited onto the sons."

Even if you belong to the race of Jesus or Adam, you are still accountable to God for your own actions. Don't ever think that by belonging to Jesus' race you are already justified. This is blasphemy. The ancient Jews had a similar belief- some of them believed that just by being descendants of Abraham they were justified. This is wrong, hence John the baptise rightly warned them:

"do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham."

Nobody is justified or saved just because of his belief or his ancestry(race). Only by living your life in accordance with the Will of God will save you.

Hello Bro;

You are very correct in this statement ; God doesnt punish people for the sins of their fathers for this is injustice.

But Bro u need to understand Bible terms such as " In Adam all Died, In Christ all shall be made ALIVE ".

It's called Identification. . I would love that you diligently study this ,not with a pre-conceived mindset butwith one which is in search for the Truth. Study this ;

The whole generation of mankind was identified in Adam. HE is the originator of the race,so he was responsible for how the race fares.When God was to bless the Generation of Man after he created them, He was speaking to the Whole Generation of man in this man;ADAM.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

You know as I know that these blessings was not for Adam alone, it is for the whole race of mankind. Therefore, We can deduce that God identifies Corporally with the whole race through Adam.

Since He is the first man, God had set it in place that every thing he created would bring fruits after it's own kind. This was the inception of the Law of Nature; A mango tree would reproduce a mango, a maize reproduce a maize.

Adam our first man disobeyed God's command, thereby[b] polluting [/b] his sinless nature and became a sinner. Just like if we plant a brown maize, the products definitely would be brown. In thesame vein, all of us which came from Adam were regenerated in this sinful nature, born of the Flesh and ruled by the senses. Adam's first Son Cain (without anyone teaching him ) killed his Brother. This showed vividly that he was born after the sinful nature of Adam and therefore all of us that are born of a woman come with this corrupted nature.

So you See, God wasn't punishing us for the Sins of Adam but rather OURS. God (as you acknowledge ) is rich in mercy and kindness. He is LOVE personified.

In demonstrating his character of his person sought for a permanent way of saving man out of his sins. REMEMBER the only problem Man has is is SINFUL NATURE. So there had to be a new nature for man, a pure and sinless one which is not subject to sin or else it would boomerang again.

Thanks be to GOD the Father of our Lord Jesus, who came to destroy sin in the flesh by him coming in the flesh but not according to the lineage of Adam; (He was born of a virgin birth so the seed of Adam which is polluted could not be in him) and by the death and prosecution of this sinless GOD-MAN, he paid the price of sin for every one from the lineage of Adam and redeemed us.

Now if he had left us with this sinful nature,that means God did a Half job but thanks be to God he didn't do that. He originated a new race for mankind which as the sinless nature of Christ Himself (the Last Adam).

Just like it wasn't as a result of your actions that you were identified in Adam, you can't also be identified by your actions into Christ. Now this saying comes to be; THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH (Hab2:4, Heb10:37, Gal 3:11)It must be by Faith( Believing).

you can only come into this race by believing in the sacrificial work of the Christ claiming that it is truly for you and then you automatically belong to this NEW & SINLESS GENERATION.In this new generation , your Adamic nature is destroyed and you are identified as one without guilt or reproach. That is why God Declared them as this:

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Nature isn't something you can work for or attain by your work. It's either you have it or you don't. Man in this sinful nature can NEVER PLEASE GOD by his acts, "a sinner can not see the Glory of God "You know our Bible Says so. Therefore Don't expect anyone to be justified by his works if he does not have the[b] new[/b] nature found in Christ.

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Brother, i hope things are now clearer and there is no reason whatsoever to want to still remain unbelieving. you don't need to outcry your belief but this i wld just love you to know : Your Creator has done this Great thing for you.

Did you check my post on the last link?? If u did,Op it helped?

Charle Friend.

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I absolutely agree with Justcool  that Jesus, the son of God was murdered and the shedding of his blood is a crime against God. Most believers always say that "all things are possible with God". That phrase is correct but its interpretation by most people is wrong. To most believers, it means that God can do anything he wishes. The truth is that God cannot do those things that are opposite to his nature. Thus God cannot sin, God cannot commit evil, God cannot commit injustice, God cannnot annul his laws etc. Justice, love, divine laws have its origin in God. How then can God act in ways contradictory to his very nature? In explaining the mission of Christ, Obalende asserts that the shedding of the blood of Christ and using Christ as ransom was in the plan of God. I disagree since any plan of God cannot use evil as an instument of achieving good. Jesus, the son of God was sent to save mankind from their sins by teaching them the will of his father. It is the word of Jesus that is salvation, not his death. Mankind rejected the word of God and sealed their enemity against God by murdering his son. This same mankind who murdered the saviour turned round to claim that the murder of Jesus was a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin? How can the blood shed by murder which is a sin forgive sin. It is like trying to wash off a blood stain on a white shirt with blood. The very notion that Jesus who commited no sin accepted or was made by his father to carry the sins of the world contradicts any concept of justice. Which earthly judje will allow a murderer to go free and then imprison an innocent person? Yet we men expect God, the origin of Justice and Love to do things that contradicts his very nature. Indeed it is impossible for Jesus to carry the sins of others since every sin is firmly bound to the originator. A sinner can only wash his sins himself and the words of Jesus is the dertergent he needs for it.  If it is the plan of God for his son to die as Obalende asserts, then Judas, the highpriests, the pharises, caiphas and all those who participated in the plot to murder christ are fufilling the plan of God, then such people by their activity are servants of God. Yet no one want to call his child Caiphas, Judas etc. On the cross, Jesus sumed up these events when he prayed "Father forgive them for they Know not what they do" Why will Jesus pray for their forginess if what they are doing is in accordance with the plan of God, the father. Do you ask for forgiveness when people do the right thing or when they do the wrong thing? Before Jesus was incarnated on earth, he knew that he will be murdered since men are of darkness and he is the light. Darkness will always attack the foothold of the light. Jesus knew this but being the personification of divine LOVE, he came to earth to wage war against the darkness. Jesus came to save mankind amid the dangers. It is like a house is on fire and your wife and child is inside it. You have two choices, to run away for your own safety and allow your wife or child to be burnt or to go into the fire and save your wife and son out of love. In the process of saving your wife or child, you may get burnt and die. It is true to say that you entered the fire to save your wife and son and in the proceess got burnt and died. It is incorrect, wrong and misleading to state that you entered the fire to get burnt and die. I guess this simple story of a house burning will be enough to give some insight on the true mission of Jesus the son of God. Any belief in God no matter by what name it is called that contradicts the justice and love of God, attributes sinful activities to God is false. God is holy and cannot engage in unholy or evil activities either as an end in itself or a means to an end. Every human being know that ritualists who shed the blood of their fellow men are evil and their activities are sins against God, yet people then think that the shedding of blood is salvation in the case of christ. To ransome a human being by shedding his blood is a dastardly crime against the laws of God, to ransome the the son of God by shedding his blood is a sacrilege commiteed against God.

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Adam is metaphorical man who represents the whole of mankind. If Adam was an actual man, then God wouldn't punish his(Adam's) descendants for a sin that their father Adam ccommitted. God doesnt punish people for the sins of their fathers for this is injustice. Only humans do such a thing IE-- a fathers teaches his children to do evil, this evil will remain in the family and they will keep suffering from it until the children stop doing it. Hence your bible said: "the sins of the fathers shall be visited onto the sons."

Even if you belong to the race of Jesus or Adam, you are still accountable to God for your own actions. Don't ever think that by belonging to Jesus' race you are already justified. This is blasphemy. The ancient Jews had a similar belief- some of them believed that just by being descendants of Abraham they were justified. This is wrong, hence John the baptise rightly warned them:

"do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham."

Nobody is justified or saved just because of his belief or his ancestry(race). Only by living your life in accordance with the Will of God will save you.

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Surely, His goodness and mercy shall follow us, all the days of our lives.

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@Obalende

Thanks for attempting to answer my questions, I commend your effort but I disagree with you.

First of all God did not make satan, and demons. God created angels who remain beautiful, good, and powerful beings as long as they live in the will of God. However if any of these beings stray from the will of God, they become bad and evil. That is what happend with Lucifer who at first(when he obeyed the will of God) was a good and a powerful angel but he made himself satan by straying from the will of God.

Some demons were created by man. No demon was created by God for God is absolute goodness and cannot create evil. We humans are creators too. Our thoughts, words and actions take on forms in the non-physical planes and await us. Being our works, they are attached to us and they affect us. We must experience them when we pass on, thats why your bible said, "your works awaits you." When we think or behave in an evil way, these thoughts and behaviour will take an evil form in the beyond, attached to us and await us. These evil forms that result from our evil thoughts, words, and actions are what we call demons. These forms are living beings and as long as we keep thinking, behaving, and speaking in an evil manner we give them the power that keeps them alive.

Saying that satan was predestined to rebel is blasphemy because you are calling God the author of rebelion and wickedness. You are also accusing God of injustice by believing in predestination. You are saying that HE chooses to save some by predesignating them to accept while others are predestined to refuse Him and go to hell-- even a child can see that this is injustice.

God predestines nobody. We humans have the gift of free will, which if used rightly brings us joy, blessings, and happiness; however, if we use our free will wrongly, we create evil forms which will bring distruction. God does not interfere with our free will. But He urges us through his prophets and his Holy son to choose rightly, for our own good, in-other to avoid destruction.Otherwise why would He send us prophets to urge to change our ways if He had already predestined us to salvation or distruction. Do you think God is a fool? Why would Jesus spend his energy preaching to people if he already knew that they are destined to distruction.

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Everything is wrong with African religions.

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During the great dispersal of man at the very infant stage of mankind, many men sojourned to the very ends of the earth, and while some flourished and gave rise to massive empires and kingdoms, some were content at just maintaining an equilibrium with the earth and all her inhabitants. In Africa, while ancient Egypt and Ethiopia is regarded by history as a place where early settlements thrived, it is also worthy of note that the movement was towards the coast, an area that is balanced by earth and sea. Our earliest fore fathers had foregleams of that time in human history where man was at peace with the earth and the thriving city states and kingdoms that survived even to these modern times have regaled us of legends where injustice was abhorred upon and hardwork and productivity was encouraged and it was an honour to be called a good man or a virtuous woman.

The ways of the world have corrupted that system and what we see today is a deviation of that arrangement. Religious sentiments have come to becloud the the practices that were passed on from thousands of years and it has been reduced to a religious phrase ala African Traditional Religions.

I still want to believe that at some point, the African peoples prior to the coming of Europeans had some sort of understanding with the laws that governed creation as the peak of alleged atrocities which is human sacrifice, was only carried out after a murder, or any other very grievious offense to the people and to the land or sea. Mind you, there were both negative and positive forces of creation at play at that time, just as they are at play even to this present day.

But for any other man who would want to reasonably explore the plausibility of an idea, he would find a lot of reason in some of the things that has been made known to us thanks to the information and enlightenment that is available to us and at our disposal

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If my question can only be made clearer to me in hell then it means that my question cannot be answered. Any answer about life and God's relationship with His creatures that cannot be made clear in creation(From the spiritual worlds to earth) must be a lie since in HIS creation God makes everything as clear as abc. One who truly seeks anything, even an answer to a question, shall surely find. "Seek and ye shall find," God does not deal in mystries. His ways are clearly written in the laws of creation. Every law in creation even the laws of nature and physics speak of nothing but balance, Love, and Justice. In creation God does not deal in mysterious ways (ways that cannot be understood by man).

If by this you mean that God should not be challenged then you are right. But if you mean that man should not ask questions about God's dealings with him then you are wrong. Like I said God deals with all creatures clearly. His dealings are always clear and always express Love and Justice for all. Where man fails to see this Love and Justice coming from God he should not only question, but he should earnestly investigate and ardently seek. If he questions, seeks and investigates rightly and humbly then the answer will definitely be given to him. Therefore it is the duty of man to question, seek, and investigate and find the reason behind his life, condition, and God's dealings to him. This is how you draw near to God.

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@ Backslider

Your blasphemy is unbearable!!!!!!

Do you know the meaning of what you just said! You reduce God to the level of imperfect humans who give their love arbitrarily. The first thing you should know about God is that God is Love. God cannot be without HIS Love! Being Love, HE loves all HIS creatures equally. And love cannot lack in Justice otherwise it's not love. Love and Justice are one!One can equally say that God is Justice. Being the perfect Justice, HE cannot give His love arbitrarily otherwise He will be unjust.

Therefore God is perfect Justice, He will not even let a creature as a little as an ant suffer innocently.

Your post speaks of unbearable blasphemy because you described God's love as something HE gives arbitrarily(to whoever HE pleases), in-other words you called God unjust! This is wrong! God gives HIS Love equally to all HIS creatures-- man, ants, cows, lilies(plants),angels etc. God does not chose to hate or love someone for with no just cause! This is an injustice which God cannot do, and this is not what Agape love is!

It's unfortunate that so many Christians have reduced God's son(Jesus) to the level of a slave used for ransome, or a dirty rag that God used to cleans their dirty sins.

They also reduced God to an imperfect ritualist who will give anything (even his innocent son) to die for the sake of mankinds dirty sins.

You can see that by your teachings you make man the most important creature, even more important than God, since God(Jesus) was used as ransome for man. This is the height of selfishness, selfcenteredness, and blasphemy! So many Christians today worship man(themselves) and not God.

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@just cool

I have 4 questions for you:

1.) Why would God send His beloved and innocent son to die for mankind?

2.) Does God love mankind more than His own son?

3.) Why would God let an innocent person pay for the sins he never committed? Is this not injustice?

Your Bible said: "A man must reap what he sow." Why would God let Christ reap or pay for sins he never sowed(Committed) while the offenders receive forgiveness and not reap what they sowed(pay for their sins)

4.) If God had to kill his son to achieve an aim(forgive mankind), then God is a ritualist! How then, is God different from the occultists, satanists and the ritualists who allegedly do human sacrifice in other to achieve an aim (get rich). ?

You have a question that only in hell fire the answer will be clearer to you. But you see God cannot be questioned. He says I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy on.

Even you as mortal man have a similar Attribute. You choose to hate or love someone with no just cause. The word is Agape unconditional love to man and it is kind.

Jesus was not forced to lay down his life there was the agreement of the trinity. On the Cross God could allowed sin on his son. The anger that has heaped up in God to purnish sin in man is now horribly made Perfect.

Flee from the Angry God wrath be a son friend of God by accepting jesus is God and Saviour.

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@ Horus

Very good point. I bet they wont offer any reasonable answer, the next thing now is personal attacks.

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@ just cool

Brother,

I would Love to say that this is the beauty of Salvation.To believe in this truth that JESUS came to die for my sins and he had already done that and therefore I'm justified by Faith in this truth and av Accomplished the reason for which God created me. All I can do now is to tell everyone of this wonderful msg of love of the Creature for the Created, man and God.

I[i]t is really unfathomable for one to logically conclude but the scriptures has it that it is in this foolishness that GOD has d

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

2[/i]1 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

ecided to save the World.

I would advise you carefully go through my first Post I know it's very long but I've tried to be detailed so that you can understand this truth because it's the most important to God ,th Creator Himself. He longs that you come to the Knowledge of this and enjoy the eternal benefits that accrued thereof

Your questions are answered in to-to on this link:

http://forum.marketsandshops.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=299

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where did you saw me using the word [B]WAIST?[/B]

In which post?

Use quote and show us where and if you cannot shut up!!

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Well, it's part of the aim of bringing civilization to Africa. Sometimes, I think of this too and it's sad but it is what it is.

But then Christianity isn't the only religion practiced in Nigeria today, I think there are more people of Islamic belief. I don't see myself worshiping a deity though.

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Lol @ this silly hipocrite. This is the same clown that said in another thread that "Religion is a waist (waste) of time".

Bloody hipocrite

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What is religion but the deification of ancestors, the making sacred of traditions within the context and history. How can we honor any god who was used against us? The only people who accept alien gods are defeated people all others honor and accept their own name for the Almighty. We must learn to appreciate ourselves and our traditions. What is wrong with the African God?

What would we think of a Yoruba who accepted Chinese ancestors as his own? We would find it quite interesting and wonder how it came to be. But what of Africans' acceptance of others' gods? Is there no tradition with these alien gods? Of course there is tradition with these gods! To accept the Jews' god or the Arabs' god or the Hindu's god and so forth is to valorize those histories above your own. Indeed, it is to honor the names in those myths and stories higher than your own stories, it is to love the language, the places in their stories above your own. Why is Mecca, Rome, or Jerusalem more sacred that Bosumtwi? Quite simply, it is imperialism, not by force of arms, but by force of religion which sometimes comes armed.

Joel Kotkin's Tribes - a book about people ready for the 21st Century claims that only Jews, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, and British are ready. These groups have some commonalities which include (1) strong sense of identity, (2) international network, and (3) a passion for technology.

He does not include any African community or ethnic group. In fact, he believes that the African people were best organized under the leadership of Marcus Garvey who believed that Africans were not only > capable of achieving without the whites; Africans had to achieve without whites in order to be seen as fully participating in the drama of history. Kwame Nkrumah believed in much the same idea.

Samuel Huntington's The Clash of Civilizations claims that there are six major civilizations: Chinese, Japanese, Orthodox, Hindu, Western, I'slamic. He says each one has a nation that is vanguard, deeply committed to its religion and history. Africa has no such vanguard nation and furthermore Africa has yet to emerge from under the cloaks of its interventionists. Of 53 nations only one nation is more African in religion than either Christian or Great One. That nation is small Benin.

Benin is 87% popular traditional African Religion. But it is a small nation with limited influence in a propaganda fashion. As such we do not expect African traditional religion to play a major part in the civilization of Africa for a long time to come, but we can begin to examine the questions, to raise the issues, and to interrogate our practices.

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Brother,

Men are not in any way obliged to the worship of devils. The Devil himself was the Ruler of this world and then caused people to fight and kill themselves in a worship to him. He is the Father of confusion and nothing related to him ( whether praise or worship in form of religion ) can bring peace or fairness to the worshippers and their relatives.

The Devil got the[b] legal[/b] right over mankind to rule and dominate this world by the simple act of Adam's disobedience to God's will in the Garden of Eden (We all know that) but thanks be to the God of our lord Jesus Christ who in his wisdom saved man out of this bondage. How?

Since Man Sinned, the only person who could have helped man out had to be a man( this is the demand of Justice) but bear in mind, the originator of the race of Mankind sinned therefore ALL generation of man that came from Adam were all polluted because of this SIN therefore making it impossible for any of us to save others out (This means no prophet or Holy man of this generation could have saved us, NO MAN could)

AS a result of Man's Disobedience and Sin , Man was separated from the union the had with God before his fall and therefore could not come in close relation with God especially in the form of Worship and Religion. Since this fall man had been searching for a way out but unfortunately couldn't but continue in the FORCED service to the devil through series of endless sacrifices which involve killing of fellow human.

The only thing that could have saved man from this entrapment was for A MAN without SIN to come and pay the price of MAN's disobedience (SIN) , DEATH (The wages of Sin is death). This was a great source of worry to God who so much love his ROYAL creation, MAN.

God in his infinite love had to create another race for human with another person as the originator ( YES HE HAS DONE THAT). God himself came in the form of man, Born of Virgin, lived as human, walked on the streets of man, Suffered the same temptations as man and PRAISE BE TO GOD , HE (GOD) DIED FOR MAN AS A MAN JESUS CHRIST. Heb 2vs 14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

So you see Brother, He became the pioneer of the new race of human which as forever holy and acceptable to GOD himself. They don't long to be in the presence of GOD because they are always there, GOD calls them his people his own SONS. This are the only people whose worship is acceptable to GOD.

How do you become a part of this? or Is every human automatically transferred into this group?

God despite this great work for human, his beloved creation he still give us a position to make the choice to either join this group of people or not to but God implores and beg every man to make this choice.

WOn't it be so CRUEL for a man to reject this great gift of God. This is the only reason why a man would GO TO HELL. HELL is REAL and so is HEAVEN but every man has the choice of MAKING HEAVEN and shunning HELL.

HOW? The Scripture has it. ROM 10 vs 8-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

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All you nedd to do is this. Believe in this great message of the love of GOD. HOW HE CAME AS A MAN AND HAD ALREADY PAID FOR THE SINS OF MAN.

Therefore, by the rule of justice man is not supposed to in any way to worship or continue in the enforced slavery to the Devil who has been stripped of his AUTHORITY over the entire race of mankind

It was as a result of the ignorance of this facts that our Fore Fathers by their nature continued in their service to the devil but as God would have it brought this missionaries our way to tell of this truth and of the unending benefits we would enjoy in our unfettered relationship and worship to the LIVING GOD. Any one who continues in the absurd festivals and observing of some rituals which our Fathers did does not do this to GOD but to the defeated and DISGRACED devil who as no power whatsoever on the least of Mankind.

. Should we now continue in this? This is what is termed as GREAT SIN TODAY. This is the only thing that can incurr the wrath of JUSTICE (Not even GOD because GOD LOVES MAN ).

So Brother whats your choice , choose to believe in this message ( foolish to the mind but power in the sight of GOD) 1 COR 1vs16-28

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

And as you make this choice you will fulfil God ultimate plan for creating YOU. 1tim2vs3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Eph1vs5-8

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

and then become AUTOMATICALLY and IRREVOCABLY the SON and true Worshipper of GOD.

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What makes the life style and mindset in africa better than that of chimps?Generally,man is the crudest creature,i respect chimps more than an average man,filled with greed,brutality,selfishness,manipulation and illusive endless visions that will finally destroy him,altering the natural course of nature.Yet in the midst of all this africa is yet to start.

Nature is god,it revolves,all in one,one in all,deviate, you perish.

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Christ brought a new and operative life which is not based on the sacrifice of blood because He was the ultimate sacrifice.

And another thing, read the bible God does not accept human sacrifice. He tested Abraham and later provided the lamb for sacrifice. It never said Abraham killed Isaac.

But in his obedience God considered Isaac dead because Abraham did not withhold his son but freely offered him up knowing that God would raise him up or give him a son again.

As for the Egyptians God did not sacrifice them as offering which these so called african religion requires.

Lastly Christianity is not a religion it is a life style. And because someone else brought it to us shows that nothing cannot come to you unless it is your time. It was our time to receive the truth which we did and we are taking it back to the people who brought it to us which is a blessing from God to us.

It is just like the student you taught coming back to teach you what you taught him it is a blessing.

So receive Salvation it is a gift from God which does not bind you but frees you.

God bless you.

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Everything is wrong with it!!

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Is dis wot pple r stil discusin on Nairaland!

I tell u this' d beginin of d end 4 Nairaland.

RELIGION AND HISTORY, the world's all-time atomic bomb.

Let's kip discusin & c wia it leads us all.

RELIGION AND HISTORY . . .

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I don't really know that much about African religion. I must say, I don't really trust organised religion at all. They all seem to have a common thread. Minimising the free will of the individual to rationalise/ refuse/discuss. The main religions at least are very manipulative and quite destructive if you ask me. They claim to derive from God, but all they do is drive a wedge between human beings. People are so steeped in their own religious beliefs that they can't relate to one another in a healthy and constructive way.

Religion has been used as a vehicle to propogate slavery( physical, emotional and mental). There is an absence of accountability and it basically serves as an avenue whereby people can convince themselves and others that they are something other than what they are in reality.

The legacy of Christianity in Africa is one which has been more negative than positive. Firstly, the INTENTION with which it was given to us was not one of love, but one of disrespect, we and our forfathers/traditions were never respected or valued. They were despised and pitied. Because of this, they were first catergorised as inferior/devilish/unnatural/debase/disgraceful. It was this feeling of inferiority and insecutrity which allowed Christianity to flourish. Tell someone that they are dirty for long enough they will start to feel dirty and the water you offer to "cleanse them", they will not refuse.

Maybe we were never as dirty as they convinced us we were.

I'm not saying I agree with any religion, in fact I can't say that I do agree with all of any religion, but one thing human beings do is attempt to propogate their own superiority unto others, it often has nothing whatsoever to do with God or spirituality.

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Same goes with christianity and islam so whats the difference? you have just describe how all the major religions work?

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is that so.

Are you comparing yourself to a chimpanzee?

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Wow!You have just described your dear christian faith,right there!Perfect fit.

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African religion is not a way of life and religion is suppose to be away of life.

African religion was formed by the personal interest of some people who discover some naturer science.  It was based on the idea of protecting theri discovery.  For example if any one discover a particular leave for a perticular purpose, he will demonise the process behind the stuff and call it a religion.

For example, my grandfather told me about a discovery and he has an imale that protect the idea because he was the only one that knows the secrete of the solution to the problem of blindness.

Now I will tell you what he told me before he died.  One day while he was in the bush hunting, he discovered a parrot nest, it is natural that no one should see parrot eggs with Unclad eyes, so to know if the nest contain eggs or hatched you will us fresh palm leaves to test. If the fresh leave got burnt when you put is in the nest then the egg is not yet hashed.  So you will wait till it is hatched.

Then you will now blind all the offspring of the parrot and watch what the mother bird will do.  So it will go get a particlar leave which will be used to get the baby birds to see again.

You can then trace the leave and it will be used as the major agent for any blindness solution.

My grand father now has an oro masquerade that anyone who need this help will have to swear by this demon called oro before he will provide whatever help on the person.  The oro has their worshiper along with his own ifa group.

This is how most of the traditional religions were formed.

So I think trditional religion are mare ideas of people. Not of God.

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Re: What's Wrong With African Religions?

« #4 on: February 08, 2008, 03:44 AM »

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Ces the problem is that neither side knew what they where doing. Some of our forefathers sold everything they had, including their brothers, their sons and daughters, and their ways of life to the missionaries who came under the false guise of bringing the knowledge of God. They brought an already corrupted religion. They ostensibly brought the knowledge of God but actually they were colonizing in order to increase the wealth of their countries and ways of life.

True Christianity is not a religion, it only a way of life. It doesn't demand that one should abandon his culture or religion. True Christianity will only make one renovate his culture IE- remove the bad practices. But branding ones culture totally evil and of the devil while at the same time comanding or tricking them into accepting yours is not true Christianity.

Christ never asked anybody to change his religion, neither did he start any religion.

If the so called missionaries(colonial masters) had the right Christianity, and if our fore fathers were wise, both sides would have learned from each other. Our fathers should have seen in Christianity the love and acceptance which will make them stop some of their bad practices like the killing of things. At the same time they should have had to freedom to continue with their own culture and develop it in a God pleasing way. Not abandoning their culture and becoming catholics and protestants, and learning a foreign language rather than their own.

If we had done this, like some Asian cultures, we would have developed our culture to a greater level today. Our understanding of God and life would have been better. Our actions would have been better, and our languages should have been more developed. We would have been able to command more respect from the rest of the world than we do now.

Today we are nothing but caricatures, neither truly European nor truly African. How can we better our country this way? The colonial masters intentionally made use this way, so that they will never have to share the world power with us. We will remain too busy trying to be like the whiteman; thats what we think progress is.

The answer to your question is:

The only thing wrong with African Religions is Africans themselves who abandoned their religion to the devil and accepted foreign ones

[b][/b]you have spoken well,there are no flaws in what you posted,we africans are sleepwalking into the total eradication of our culture.

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The following points must be made clear:

Christianity is not a European religion.

Africans actually got to hear about christianity before mainstream europeans( ethiopian eunuch, churches in Egypt etc)

Christian names do not make one a christian

Ancestral worship in africa is not coordinated and the beliefs vary

What is the essence of ancestral worship ?

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With due respect, the question of the thread is as legitimate as any question on religion.

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With respect, I think you are asking the wrong question. I think the question should rather be "Why do we need religion?"

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It's so sad, Africans have converted to foreign religions with such ease.

The Arab came to Africa and converted some of us to Islam.

The white man came converted some to Christianity.

Thats why I respect the Indian man, he kept his so called primative religion with a million Gods.

Africans suffer from one of the worst cultural affirmations. Sad real sad.

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very beautiful and a sound reasoning

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It takes a developed mind to understand what religion is all about,presently,the minds of majority of africans are undeveloped,something almost very close to chimps,i don't know why,people are not just thinking.Understanding the basic principles of life answers the big questions of religion,discover,create and be authoritative.

Live like gods.

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All religions are means of social control, whether African, European, Asian or Arabic. All religions involve an elite priesthood who earn their daily keep by interpreting the will of beings, who they claim must be interpreted by them, the priests.

It is sad that so many Africans despise their own ancestral religious traditions. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with African religions, however, there are several key reasons for the outstanding success of Christianity in Africa.

1) Traditional religions often functioned in African societies to prop up systems that exploited the majority of the population by sanctioning the divine right of kings and highly rigid social orders and caste systems. These systems often did not allow for upward social mobility. The poor remained poor with no hope of joining the privileged. Christian missionaries brought a doctrine that exploited these social divisions. Not surprisingly the message of the gospel appealed most strongly to those with least to gain from the old social order. The hope for change, for salvation within the Christian gospel has always appealed to the wretched and downtrodden in any society.

2) Christianity, from its very beginnings, has shown a great capacity to adapt and change to different cultures. Thus, the African Churches were founded on the desire to give Christianity a more indigenous flavour and very early on became a key factor in gaining converts to Christianity.

3) Mission schools offered a concrete path for self-betterment and empowerment through education. Since most opportunities for social mobility gradually came to depend on being able to operate within the colonial system established by the Europeans, it was essential that ambitious people learned to read & write and adopt European values.

What is interesting now is that the populations of wealthy countries have for a while been turning towards non Christian non Mus lim faiths, while the populations of poorer countries have become even more hardline fundamentalist Christians or Mus lims.

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