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What Seek Ye?(the Grail Message-vol 1)

From the GRAIL MESSAGE,vol.1,WHAT SEEK YE;we are told that the only way we can protect ourself is by;     

1)Doing good always:there are two advantages,i.e doin good is like planting a corn seed in creation and when its time for harvest ulld reap thousands.

The second advantage is that SPIRITUAL LIGHT from the good you have done would come out and surround you from all evil.

2)We should keep the hearth of our thoughts pure"KEEP THE HEARTH OF YOUR THOUHTS PURE,BY DOING SO YOU WOULD BRING PEACE AND BE HAPPY(AWAKE-LECTURE 5,THE GRAIL MESSAGE)because our thoughts are our(man's)greatest enemy,it is a lie!By doing so we would produce good thoughts because our thoughts good or bad are connected to us through a spiritual thread and would come back to us.A local picture;our thought is like a boy that flies his kite during the day and draws it back to himself at night.

3)Finally,listen to your inner voice;it is our guard and should be our pastor,imam,bible e.t.c.A local picture;if our 'mind'INNER VOICE tells us to iron,if we don't and our electricity supply is cut off,we would start saying,"if a had known i would have ironed because my mind was telling me"

          [i][/i]FREE YOURSELF FROM ALL DARKNESS.

Visit any reading circle or call 08052381598.Cheers.

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@ almigthyo, no wahala. i wont be present physically at the festival but i'll make sure i have the experience to the fullest. may the goodness and strength of the lord be our lots this festive period.

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@ amightyo,

but me i dont know you oooo for grailland, but me i be one reserved person sha.

HAPPY FESTIVAL OF THE PURE LILY TO YOU ALL

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Is this mighty from Grailland, Iju Hills?,

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Hello all crossbearers,

I am an ardent reader of The Grail message (also a crossbearer by virtue of birth), but the only problem I've been faced with recently is my inability to read it as often as I want to because of many mundane things I am involved with.

Please can you refer me to any site where the I can find the lectures of The Grail Message.

I will be very obliged if my request is replied to.

Thank you.

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@ all-truth seekers,

YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO PUBLIC LECTURE BASED ON THE GRAIL MESSAGE.

Date: Sunday 23rd, March 2008

Venue: Grailland, Iju Hills, Lagos.

Topic: Spiritual Reasons for Climatic Changes and Natural Catastrophies in our Time

Gate Opens

3:30pm

Lecture Starts

4:00pm

You are cordially invited.

"The Wisdom of God rules the World"-------Abdrushin

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on vacation, so haven't been frequent on the net, but i'm very much around!!

my dear, i'm good, et toi? been very busy lately, but i'm still around. hear global warming is catching up with you guys as its very cold still!!

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ahhhhh na fight

are we quarelling?

please lets not quarell ok.

you didnt have to take my post personal i was just kidding u.

thanks for enlightening me aiight and am sorry if my post touched a nerve.

        *but u didnt hhave to say the part about being in a relationship, now you're gona break pilgrim's heart*

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@ aproko,

are u a crossbearer? if you are then lets hook up, ok?

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anyone reading the grail message only to find faults therein will find nothing of use to him, but he that reads it with an earnest volition for something higher will surely find more than he's looking for.

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not advertising dear. have fun reading. am not going nowhere. the Grail Message leaves no gaps or loopholes! non absolutely

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@Aproko,

Maybe I should start from down up in my response:

Perhaps the interpretation may be the one thing that is the problem. But then, how do I delve into something that might not be effectively communicated to others?

At least something may have been clarified here, even though others still remain unclear. The one thing made clear now is that the spirit and the backbrain are two very distinct entities in man. That said, I think it would be quite unbalanced to feel that the spirit communicates to man via the cerebellum.

The one reason why that could just not be a healthy inference (besides the fact that the cerebellum has its distinct function) is that it makes one think that intelligent people are earthly (judging from the size of one's frontal lobe); and therefore intelligent people care very little for spiritual things.

Which leads me to ask: does the backbrain grow in size when a person becomes highly spiritual?

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@ pilgrim.1,  @ ricadelide,

most of the cross bearers on this forum are not scientist, so you would have to pardon their explanation if it has been poorly structured.

am no scientist myself, but all they are trying to say is that 'spiritual things' are usually communicated through the hind brain. the frontal brain helps us find words for the pictures we see with our minds eye. the point is to make sure you dont rack your brain too much and end up painting the picture another colour. an earthly example - you see a red rose, but at that point, all you are aware of is that plants are green. if a rose is a plant, then why should it be red and not green?, you then go ahead to paint a picture of the rose you saw with your mind's eye, only you paint it green, you sell that masterpiece at an exhibition, and then you travel to a place you've never been and see a red rose, just the way you saw it in your mind's eye!!!

the point is simple, the things of the spirit cannot be rationalised cos when they are, they only lead to more errors and distortions.

i wonder if i make any sense here.

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LOL, thanks. I'll drink 'calm juice' from now on, lol.

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spiritual and physical at the same time? Dont they belong to two different realms? i don't know what analogy to use but this one comes close - can something be in the gasceous state and physical state at the same time? what is intrinsic to the back brain that makes it pocess this wonderful ability to be both spiritual and physical; does it have special nerves? what 'intrinsically' gives it this ability over other parts of the brain or even the body? what i mean is - why the hindbrain? or the spirit just happened to choose the hindbrain above other body parts? but then if you say the hindbrain is spiritual in itself then it can't be a product of choice, it has to be intrinsic.

i really want you to think about this because it is very fundamental - and that is where the problem begins.

As far as i know, there is no connection between the spirit and a network of nerve cells in the abdominal cavity.

they have now learnt to cultivate it)?

And you still didnt answer the other questions;

The hindbrain comprises the pons, the medulla oblongata and the cerrebellum. Do you know what the functions of these brain parts are?

How do the tested scientific functions of these parts of the brain correlate with a spiritual function of 'knowing' things accurately?

no matter how you try to say it, the spirit is not part of the brain. Spirit is spirit, flesh is flesh.

directly communicate with the body, nor does it use physical means to attain or disseminate its knowledge - because they belong to two different realms. Like Jesus said 'that which is flesh is flesh (ie physical), that which is spirit is spirit'. And no, the renewed intellect can understand the spirit - that is the function of the mind, to understand.

basis for the message? where did the author recieve his inspiration? I notice you guys always allude to the bible; where does the bible stand in relation to the message ( i mean in terms of importance)

Anyways, hope i didnt come across too strongly. Cheers.

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Aproko,

I get your gist - and thanks for taking the time to offer some explanation.

The one thing I'm wondering about is whether the analysis for the parts and functions of the brain (as offered by the crossbearers on the Forum) is correct at all. The reason for this is because what has been offered on the thread by them does not help anyone understand what very little that we may know about the brain.

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@enita2002,

I hope you can understand why the enquiries have been popping up? If the question was not involving the brain, we would perhaps have been discussing something else - whatever else has been offered by the 'crossbearers'.

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@otuwe,

First, I'm not looking for loopholes but rather asking that we all engage in discussing what you guys have been posting publicly on the Forum.

Second, the main issue so far discussed - being about the brain - is actully what the 'crossbearers' have been discussing; and that's why I remained within the context of what already has been offered.

Okay, no worries. I wonder again how anyone is supposed to understand anything posted at all if we don't use the proper faculties for doing so?

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we crossbearers have been saying same thing, its just that people in pseudo-knowledge thinking, thinks we're sayin different things all together.Truth can never be discuused in order to reach an agreement.

IT is and will never be what people are expecting it to be. ok

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@enitan2002,

We're here to discuss. I believe that if someone has a message worth hearing publicly, that message should be open to discussion so that we all don't go away saying different things. The different interpretations among the 'crossbearers' are simple manifestations of this one fact - that they are all saying different things and no one is gaining anything at all.

That is why I offered us to come to terms with what the whole basic issue has been about. That should not be grounds to sign people off and close the door of discussion - it should rather encourage informed inputs.

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@ pilgrim.1

then you steadfastly hold on to that which teaches the true aspect to the working of the human brain.

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@ PILGRIM,

then there's no need of you seeking again, cos you have in your hand with "living-faith" that the bestest of th best TRUTH is in your care.

Then goodluck to you

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@enitan2002,

I've always been open to hear what you have to say - and that's why I have been calling for clarification. The one simple request I offered was that we reason together and agree on what we all know are the functions of the brain. If there's something we all are missing, then the 'crossbearers' are responsible to clarifying such issues to us, rather than assuming that enquirers are not ready to accept truth.

For the most part, what we have been reading from the contributions of 'crossbearers' appear distorted. That is why we have been appealing that we all reason together and clearly understand what you call "truth".

Cheers.

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@otuwe,

Already disregarded hinduism's post.

However, @enitan2002, I don't think that your interpretations have made issues any clearer. Let's simply go back and start off by asking about the parts and functions of the brain - and then from there link them to what you're trying t explain. For now, I would say that back-brain/hindbrain is not the seat of the spirit.

Please check out the parts and functions of the brain and let's discuss further.

Cheers.

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@ otuwe,

thats nice of you, hinduism erroneously believes that he's better than those that haven't come into recognising the importance of the message.And thats really bad

You're really making my day here.

I can see you're online, can you IM me on enitany20022005@yahoo.com, cos am also online,

@ hinduism,

are u also a crossbearer?

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i dont know your intention man but i dont think your post was called for.

knowledge of the Grail Message does not require intelligence. as long as your spirit still yearns for the truth, it would definitely make sense.

so u dont need to be a graduate or a professor b4 u can know the TRUTH.

A well known professor once read the Message and it didnt make sense to him but a lowly farmer (who doesnt even speak english) came across it and is now a crossbearer spreading the Message to people.

so it is really for those really SEEKING.

@Pilgrim and ricadelide

pls disregard hinduism's post aiight. if there is still a little yearning inside u for the truth, u wud definitely understand and value the Message

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The back brain is also physical and spiritual as well.The back-brain is the seat of the spirit,it is through it the spirit make itself known in the gross material world.

The back-brain also know as the cerebellum is connected to what is known as the solar plexus,and it's through this solar plexus the spirit make itself known in pictoral forms which is the being transferred to the back brain only in pictures.Then the frontal brain which is in charge of controlling the physical body, the arms, the legs, the eyes, etc then now translate the pictures it can see from the back-brain into physical deeds.

But the bridge that will allow the normal process to happen has been cut short due to negligence on the human part.

Due to the over-cultivation of the human intellect(i.e focusing only on material things) it's has now over-developed more than the back-brain, and anything that happens spiritually must have a physical manifestation, and that results to the great differences in their sizes.

But still yet the spirit still make impression but the intellect cant undertstand it.

And that is no matter the help being sent from above, majority of human species will never understand the messages.and thats the root of all evil.

Except we human spirits start to learn anew,i.e turning our gaze away from the earthly matters and start to look above.Any spiritual things will still rermain like the book with seven seals.

And thst's simply what the GRAIL MESSAGE is all about, it's directed at the human spirits who is willing to drop all that he's learn and accept a new way of thinking.

"With my Message I now open the Book of Creation for you! The Message clearly shows you the Language of God in Creation, which you must learn to understand so that you can make it completely your own." words of ABD-RU-SHIN author of the GRAIL MESSAGE

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@ricadelide,pilgrim: The HOLY GRAIL and its teachings are not for low class people like you both, you will never undersdtand it no matter what your are told here in the forum, unless you do away with all your mental speculations and graps the Truth, if not the Grail Message will remain a Book with seven seals to you.

And may I remain you that it is not for the less Intelligent.

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I have met some but never really talked to any - at least not about the doctrine. Many of my profs back in Nigeria were involved as well - guess its a message for the elite or perhaps the 'enlightened'.

*I'm doing very good actually, enjoying the weekend off. Hope you are as well. Cheers.

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Lol @ricadelide,

I would hope so as well. The few I happen to have met left me a bit confused as to what they're about; and like stimulus hinted, they're not very generous with information as to who exactly they are.

I asked one of my friend's sister if the Grail Message was a syncretism of many other religions. Although she didn't oblige a clear answer, I'd not forget the look she gave me.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to the discussion - as I hope that those who have expressed themselves as crossbearers will help progress the thread.

Cheers.

*How are you doing anyway? I trust you're doing good?

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@pilgrim

i hope they are willing to respond, rather than hide under the 'we are not supposed to discuss the grail message' banner.

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@ricadelide,

Precisely what I was going to ask. I didn't want to be forward by preempting the discussion in calling attention to the seeming contradiction.

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hi you guys,

i just have some contradictions that i think i should point out;

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How can the intuition be part of man's spirit and part of his brain (physical body) at the same time?

Is the spirit a part of the body?

If the intuition which you say is part of the spirit operates with or in the hindbrain, does that not mean that it uses physical means to acheive the knowledge that it so attains?

If it uses physical means, then what is spiritual about it and what makes the knowlege so gained superior? Is it that just for the mere fact that you say it uses the hindbrain as against the forebrain then it is superior?

what makes the hindbrain better than the forebrain as a better means of acquiring 'accurate' information?

the other part of the contradiction stems from the use of the term hindbrain itself.

The hindbrain comprises the pons, the medulla oblongata and the cerrebellum. Are you talking about the same hindbrain we are aware of in neuroanatomy or do you have a different definition for / of the hindbrain? Do you know what the functions of these brain parts are? How do the tested scientific functions of these parts of the brain correlate with a spiritual function of 'knowing' things accurately?

Just a few of the many issues i have with this doctrine. cheers.

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it will be my utmost pleasure in meeting you, well i'm always on GRAILLAND every sundays, i dont know about otuwe and onyex, well feel free to call me whenever you're on GRAILLAND on this number 08055458324.

Looking forward to meeting you.

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@ otuwe,enitan2002,Onyex, Thanks for your matured ways of responding to post, it really shows that cross bearers are really spreading light and love where ever there are and in all situations. may Chalice,Rose and Lily be with you all. Please feel free to write me offlist. and tell me where to meet you guys when I visit Nigeria in a couple of days.

I hope to be in Grailland,this month and will really love to meet you guys .With much love In the"The Light of Truth" The Grail Message.

Your Brother

Echidme

Yaoundé Cameroun

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its really nice meeting a fello crossbearer here again.

Onyex is still a seeker,i guess thats why she's eager to let people know the good things happening to her now

Otuwe is a crossbearer also wonder why she's calling on seun to close this thread,i guess she's not proud to be a crossbearer, i guess

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@Onyex: Thanks for your post,please may I ask you: Are you a Cross Bearer or just started reading the message? which year did you receive your Silver cross? and When did you start reading the Message?

@Otuwe:No Seun don't have to close the tread there are so many christian tread here and seun has not close any of them, so why are you calling for the closure of another movements tread? Is not wise and just.?Tomorrow you will come and want to be one of our leaders, just see little tread your already calling for the closure, are you Abacha?

@Onyex again: Your name sounds igbo are you?Where do you live in Nigeria? Thanks for the picture of the Temple, it makes me feel as if I am right inside there once again.Am a cross bearer since september 1993

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@ otuwe,

thats nice of you, i love that enlightenment.

Keep up the good advice.

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THE INTELLECT IS PHYSICAL AND IS BOUND TO THE EARTH, THE INTUITION IS SPIRITUAL AND PART OF MAN(SPIRIT).

THE INTUITION IS ALWAYS ACURATAE (THAT LITTLE VOICE DAT TELLS You NOT TO TRAVEL THIS MORNING)

THE INTELLECT IS LIMITED(GIVES You ALL THE REASON You SHD TRAVEL)

AT THE END OF THE DAY, You TRAVEL AND HAVE AN ACCIDENT!!!!!!!!!

                                                       *JUST MY INTERPRETATION OF IT*

GRAP A COPY OF THE MESSAGE AND UNDERSTAND BETTER OK

AM NOT A GRAIL MESSENGER, AM NOT WORTHY TO BE CALLED DAT. I THINK THATS A WRONG CHOICE OF TERM. ITS PREFERABLY ADHERENTS OF THE GRAIL MESSAGE OR CROSSBEARERS OK

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@otuwe,

So, what exactly is the intuition as different from the intellect?

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that should be a misinterpretation

the intellect is designed to comprehend earthly matters while the intuition helps us comprehend spiritual matters

the intellect operates in the frontal brain while the intuition operates in the hind brain

the ideal is for the intuition to receive and pass on to the intellect(since the core of man is spirit), rather man has disregarded the intuition and relies completely on the intellect for everything and that is why it has become almost impossible to understand some spiritual matters

*these are my opinions*

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Hey Grail messengers, would someone help to explicate the issue of why people should not use a part of their brain?

Thanks.

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@ otuwe,(well express yourself, i was only giving an opinion. i just don't want people to be misled with wrong interpretations of the Message.

thanks)

people have already being misled with wrong interpretations,it's therefore one of our obligation to enlighten them.Its there any harm in that, but if it then persist then thats becoming fanaticsm on our part.

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public lectures are for SEEKERS.

they are not forced to come for the lectures.

so i dont think its evangelism

well express urself, i was only giving an opinion. i just dont want people to be misled with wrong interpretations of the Message.

thanks

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Just something to whet your appetites on frontal- and back-brain:

Cheers.

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otuwe,

i guess you right to an extent.

the knowledge am just sharing here is not meant for the so-called fanatics here that are saying what they dont know.

It's being directed at those seekers whose souls will filled with lightness after reading it.

And dont forget, the message is also like the book with seven seals, it contains evrything a seeker is seeking and nothing to the fanatics who think they have EVERYTHING.

will you then say public lectures being organised from time to time is also evangelizing, WE dont prophesy doom for those that dont accept it unlike the others(you know what am talking about).

"KEEP THE HEARTH OF YOUR THOUGHTS PURE,BY SO DOING YOU WILL BRING PEACE AND BE HAPPY" words fo abdrushin, author of the GRAIL MESSAGE

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@seun

i wish u cud close this thread, it wud do us alot of good.

@onyex and enitan

guys i dont think there is need for all the "evangelism"

like it says "what seek ye"

anyone that seeks wud find

i dont think it should be discussed on this thread ok

just an opinion though

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@ ALL,

I think i can shed more light on what onyex is trying to pass across to everyone.

The quest to be conscious by the human spirit in its finest state was followed its incarnation on the gross material world(EARTH).Because that's the best place he can nbecome conscious through experiencing.An aide was given to mankind by name LUCIFER to help in its development on the gross material world.And also an earthly tool was given to man which is the brain.

And the brain has two compartments frontal brain (seat of the intellect) to help in its earthly activities and the back brain (known as the intuition-seat of the spirit) which is to still help man be reamined connected to his spiritual home.

So during its course of developement the gardener who was suppose to be patient with his seedlings has started to lose patience cos he saw that these creatures are not worth the stress to assist them make it back to the kingdom of their CREATOR.He then introduce the principle of temptation, which was simply the stronger ones will make it back home while the weaker ones that fall victims will simply be cut off.That was how LUCIFER lost the connection to the LIGHT.

But the fall of man started when he completely neglected developing his back brain(intuition) but focused solely on material things and he could not simply understand spiritual things.

But MANKIND were not left on the own,due to the love of the CREATOR many prophets were raised to still point out to erring mankind the way back to their luminous home but still yet they still could not fathom the words of the PROPHETS, and those that did sooner or later turn the teachings into religion and it became one-sided,then they added some of the things they've forgotten.

So therefore, a new revelation has now come to now put the neccessary signposts at their appropriate places and thats what the GRAIL MESSAGE is all about.

N.B:It's not a new religion

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@onyex

if uve really read the Message, you should have known better than to start this thread.

and whats with the pictures? are u trying to advertise the Grail Message or wat? and yet you say u aint envagelising.

i wud advise u desists from this cos it has grave spiritual implications ok cos u r binding urself to everybody who reads this and if someone takes the wrong conceptions uve stated as truth, u cud become eathbound.

be careful about the type of actions u take

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