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What Was The Forbidden Fruit?

Was arguing with someone the other day about the fruit from the tree of knowledge Adam and Eve ate. Meanwhile how did we come to the conclusion that the fruit was an apple? I couldn't find apple in the bible. No way, my friend is saying that the fruit meant that Adam and Eve had sex. I was saying that both of them literally ate the fruit. Was i sounding silly? Does the forbidden fruit really represent sex?

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The spirit of yashua is the spirit of prophecy.

I long for the new day and pray constantly to see it with my eyes.

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The 8th Day of God is what we should be aiming for as well. This is after the millennial reign of Christ, where Man will typically live a full day in the sight of God; thereafter, God will usher those who qualified into the New Day, which starts immediately after the 1000-year reign of Christ. God wants everyone to qualify for this new beginning, but most are counting themselves out, because they want to live for the now, just like Eve and Adam, which is sad. Really.

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I must say that I like MostHigh's recent comments.

The story is both literal and allegorical.

If you look at it very well. God spent six days in creating the world and rested on the seventh.

Moses revealed something interesting in Psalm 90. He said a thousand years is like a day before God and a day is like a thousand years.

Taking that maths into consideration, you will notice that no man has ever lived a full "day" (1000yrs). The closest was Methuselah (969). In essence, God wants to take Man into the 8th day. But, before the 8th day, there is a 7th Day, which is equivalent to the 1000 years reign of Christ on Earth, of which we are at the brink, hence the end of days. If you also examine things very well, we are about to finish spending 6000 years (Geologists may argue against this fact).

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The Beginning and the end is one and the same thing all is judgement it really depends on your perspective.

Genesis and revelation is one and the same thing all is judgement it really depends on your perspective.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life are one and the same thing depends on your perspective

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life and the Instructions and teachings (Torah) are one and the same thing.

Seeing that within the Torah we have the knowledge of good and evil and also the knowledge of life everlasting.

The prohibition from partaking of knowledge of good and evil was put forth to protect mortal man from the consciousness of the sin nature. Children should learn to drink milk before they can chew bones

The unclothedness they felt after consumption was the sin nature itself, (though shalt surly die!)

Their BANISHMENT was not as a result of the nature of the fruit itself but was due to their DISOBEDIENCE, hence the consciousness of sin which is disobedience to the LAW or the Instructions and teachings.

They were expelled from EDEN to prevent them from consuming the tree/book of life and hence attaining immortality or God like nature.

Now the question is why would the father not want man to attain a God like nature after the fall from grace?

Man after the fall attained a sin nature and only through self-sacrifice and denial can he attain the opposite which is a God like nature and this process as we know takes longsuffering hence the expulsion which was the beginning of man’s suffering. (OVERCOMING THE WORLD)

In His wisdom, God chose to remove the Tree of Life from man.

It was not a permanent removal though. God says the righteous of mankind will have access to the tree once again in the future Kingdom.

The true understanding of the word will be available to all the righteous in the kingdom Age

He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God" (Revelation 2:7).

After just falling from grace mankind would have to overcome his sin nature before he will be given to eat from the tree of life as Yashua Ibn Joseph has said.

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There was no forbidden fruit. Its a symbol for the works of the flesh. That is why Jesus asked his followers to bear fruit. The fruit of the Spirit (you know what they are). What is forbidden is the works of the flesh (you know what they are). Works of the flesh, bad fruit. Works of the spirit, good fruit.

Hence, you shall now them by their fruit....

Give thanks for the reasoning still...

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I agree, that is what people have been saying about John 1:1

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Give thanks!!! We know! I'm posing the question to make a point that indeed when the people think of this as if it had to do with children, we will eventually get to a point where everything breaks down. Another words, confusion.

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Do you believe that a man eating a fruit 6,000 years ago will be your nature now? How?

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Ok Brah, I feel you.

I am not trying to prove I know better than you, it's just that I don't try to twist scriptures to my own belief system. So, when I see someone trying to prove to me what I can't see, I ask the person to show me, because I am ready to learn; yet, if I can't learn anything I tell the person he's not making sense.

People are referred to as Water/Sea

The Word of God is referred to as the water that washes.

The Holy Spirit is referred to as the Living Water that flows.

Jesus is referred to as the Water from the Rock

All these allegories have to be seen in their own context.

When people are referred to as being in the sea or fallen into the sea, it means they are dead or completely alienated from God..... I will stop there. ..... Thanks.

May God have mercy on us all and help us. Amen!

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How do these TWO verse explain that God told Adam to educate other created beings such as animals including things such as earthworms, sharks, tigers, etc?

So, to have dominion means to teach?

If God never had the intention that Man should procreate, why did He say the same to Noah?

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What about Genesis 35:11 that says, "And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Sorry brah, all your arguments are just personal interpretations of twisting Scriptures.

I guess, you would want to say that the Holy Spirit is angel Michael again.

Nah! You're just twisting Scriptures as Peter warned against in 2 Peter 3:16. I advise you to desist because you will just be misleading people into all sorts of assumptions and error. It's dangerous, not to humanity only but before God.

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Correction son of God.

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And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD

DEUTERONOMY 4 VS 6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

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No need to tell me this, even an atheist know this.

We all know that it is full of allegories.

But that is the more reason why you should NOT add your own personal twist to it.

If the Bible did not say God told Adam to teach animals about Him, why do you want to add it?

If the Bible says God told Adam to teach animals about Him, show it to us and not try to twist it through your explanations.

For example, the Bible openly declares that Jesus Christ is God and He also says the same in various places as well.

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Your explanation is not new and the fact that the Bible is referring to spiritual deadness does not mean that was why God created beasts before He created Adam.

You mean Creation does not know their Creator?

How come Sinai quaked before God? (Psalm 68:8 )

What about the Ravens? (1 Kings 17:4)

Where is it written that Adam was to teach the beasts of the field about their Creator?

Please show me, don't try to explain it, just show me the Scriptures - 2/3 scriptures will be enough. I am willing to learn.

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THE BIBLE IS DEEPER THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE AND HAS MORE LAYERS THAN AN ONION. THATS WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE INSIGHT TO PEEL THE LAYERS. ALMOST EVERYONE STAYS STUCK ON THE FIRST LAYER

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GENESIS 1 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

<<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. <<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH

SAME BEASTS BEATING ON ISRAEL AFTER THE LORD ELEVATED THEM AS PUNISHMENT TO ISRAEL FOR NOT SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZING THE BEASTS

DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. <<<<< BEASTS OF THE EARTH ? AND CARCASE MEANS SPIRITUALLY DEAD BODIES NOT PHYSICALLY DEAD. BEASTS OF THE EARTH ARE HEATHEN NATIONS. GENTILES

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Again you're entering into a territory the Bible did not give an account of.

Ever heard of the Serpent of Brass?

Numbers 21:9

There are MANY things we don't know; because of that fact, you can't try to justify your knowledge or assumptions by what you think, it has to be DECLARED in the Bible.

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YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE TWO TYPES OF MEN CREATED.

1 ADAM - CREATED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD HENCE THE PHRASE 'LET US CREATE MAN IN OUR IMAGE'

2-THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD - CREATED AS BRUTE CARNAL REPROBATE BEASTS WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IN THEM

NOW THIS IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. THE NATION CALLED ADAM WAS SUPPOSED TO SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZE THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD. THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS WHEN IT SAYS 'BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY'. MULTIPLY THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD UPON THE EARTH. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GIVE BIRTH TO MANY KIDS ETC ETC.

HOWEVER INSTEAD OF SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZING THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD, THE ADAM NATION ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE TAKEN IN BY THE IDOLATRY OF THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD, THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD THAT DID THIS ARE CALLED THE SERPENTS. WASNT TALKING ABOUT NO SNAKES. AND THAT WAS THE FRUIT. THEY WERE DABBLING IN IDOLATRY

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Don't try to change the Thread's topic: What Was The Forbidden Fruit?

The Bible is clear that it was a fruit from the TREE of knowledge (of good and evil).

The best argument or treatise written in the object, IMO, is that one I read from Forbidden Fruit .... the fruit was a spoken knowledge.

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You keep claiming ERRRRR, and using scriptures I quote as your basis for errors.

I can prove the Godship of Jesus in each Book of the Bible.

Can you prove that Michael is Jesus from other passages of the Bible apart from that place in Daniel (even though it specifically said that was Michael and not Christ?

You are making claims you can't substantiate.

Who says the Catholic Church believes that Jesus Christ is the end of God salvation work in man?

You're just trying to change the topic..... From Jesus being Michael, to him being Lucifer and now Catholic beliefs.... Is that Taqiyya?

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Morning Star is DIFFERENT from Bright and Morning Star.

Saying they are the same is akin to saying = A god is the same as The God.

A God is NOT the same as The God.

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Next, you will say because the face of Moses started shining like the Sun, that makes him also Christ? Nah!

Or because Enoch and Elijah did not die, they were Christ? Nah!

Bro, let us humbly stay where the Bible stays.... all other things are private interpretations.

I have quoted only what the Bible says and not added my own flavour to it.

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It is obvious.

You're trying to prove that Jesus is Michael with only one verse of the Bible that does not link Jesus with Michael in anyway more than Psalm 91:11-12.

You have failed to prove Michael as Jesus from Genesis to Revelation, except that you have added that Jesus shall become Lucifer, light-bearer.

Have you forgotten that Jesus is the Light of God? He is Light and not just a bearer.

But I have shown you SEVERAL scriptures, which CLEARLY identifies Jesus Christ as God and nothing less.

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Michael is a PRINCE, just like Adam was a PRINCE, Lucifer was a PRINCE - principalities....

Jesus Christ is the HEAD of all principalities

Colossians 1:16 reveals:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

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Are you trying to tell me that because Daniel 12vs1 says Michael stands up for the people of God that means he is the Saviour, the Messiah?

Even Orthodox Jews know that the Messiah is God, it's just that they can't accept Jesus to be the Messiah.

Michael still has one major fight and that is recorded in Revelation 12:7 that says, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,...

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Paul wrote Hebrews 1 to make this clear distinction.

But you're still choosing the wrong path, even after Paul wrote on this issue almost 2000 years ago.

John 1:14 CLEARLY states: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does that look or resemble angel Michael?

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And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people ( Israel ):

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The Bible na my ONLY source O! Yes, I don read articles.

But Bible no get equal.

You're the one ignoring the FACT (or TRUTH) that the Bible declares Jesus as God and nowhere calls him angel Michael.

Jesus is known as the Angel that fights for them (Israelites)

Jesus is known as the Rock that followed for them (Israelites)

Jesus is known as the Pillar of Fire & Pillar of Cloud that watches over them (Israelites)

Jesus is known as the Prophet of His People (Israelites)

Nowhere does the Bible says this about Michael.

Michael stands up for the people of God, .... are they not ministering spirits?.... Hebrew 1:14

Search your scriptures before you claim error about others' knowledge, that is pride.

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Saying that a messenger is an angel is right.

But Jesus Christ and Michael are TWO SEPARATE entities.

When we use angel in this context, you and I know what we are saying, that is, spiritual beings sent into our terrestrial world to do something. There has NEVER been any time other angels worship Michael; but, all the times God was physically manifested in the old testament, we have angels worshipping Him, and that is the same for Jesus.

All manifestations of Michael and Gabriel in the Bible, they REFUSE worship; but Jesus never refused worship.

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Colossians 2:9 tells us: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

<<< WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT DABBLE INTO OTHER PHILOSOPHIES OR DOCTRINES BECAUSE IN THE WORD IS ALL THE DOCTRINE YOU NEED. THE WORD IS THE ONLY TRUE DOCTRINE. LET ME GET YOU A PRECEPT FOR THAT

ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh <<< THE BIBLE IS ALL YOU NEED. THERE ARE TOO MANY BOOKS WRITTEN BY MEN. IN THE BIBLE IS THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD

AND SECONDLY YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT AN ANGEL MEANS. IT IS AN OLD WAY OF SAYING 'MESSENGER'. YES JESUS IS AN ANGEL. HIS MESSAGE WAS TO REDEEM THE ELECT OF ISRAEL AND TO UNITE THE WHOLE WORLD BOTH JEW AND GENTILE TO THE LORD. HE IS AN ANGEL. AN ARCHANGEL

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God is God, He can multiply Himself in many ways, if He chooses.

God is the Father

God is the Son

God is the Holy Spirit.

One God manifesting in different forms. Sits on ONE throne.

The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, not two spirits.

Not an angel.

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Do you know that on the Earth, that is what is defined?

Soon, God will merge the two together and there would be no need for the elements.

Colossians 2:9 tells us: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jesus tells us in Proverbs 8, that before God started ANY creation, He was there. And you call him an angel?

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1 CORINTHIANS 11 VS 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. <<< THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD. TWO ENTITIES

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No, Jesus is not angel Michael.

He is God.

Hebrews 1:5 tells us: For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

John also tells us: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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^^^ you want to dance with Obadiah?? Na leprosy you go carry oo. I take him on because I have the Holy Spirit. What have you??

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IDOLATRY <<<< THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT

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I am yet to find where it said the command that the Adam should not eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil to be from Satan. But what I read is: Genesis 3:11 ..... And he said, Who told you that you were Unclad? Have you eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you that you should not eat?

Was that Satan or God?

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You must know that PRIOR to this event, there was another event, which was the rebellion of Lucifer (with some other angels who later joined him) and Genesis does covertly mention this in verse 2 of Genesis: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep...." You want to ask: How could God have created something that was without form, void and covered with darkness? That shows there was a life form before and there was a sort of catastrophic event that ensued.

The rebellion of Lucifer has already happened before this time and after Adam & Eve were created, there was also an acknowledgement that Satan (fallen Lucifer) had access to Eden as we read in Ezekiel 28:12-19. The whole story of what happened between Eve and the Serpent (Satan) may not have been written in one place, but we have the same experience with Jesus Christ.

Satan offered Jesus Christ some food or fruit from the "tree", but Jesus rejected it and said he must live by the commands of God. But Adam & Eve did not.

Yes, everything God made was good, but that did not mean it could not have been polluted by the polluter. Ever cooked and meal and somehow some housefly gets there to pollute it? Does that mean you cooked a bacteria-infested meal? Of course not. The same we find here.

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So when it says that everything God made was good, then the writer was not being totally honest then?

Also, do you really think that as a result of Adam the world is where it is? Adam lived 6,000 years ago or so according to the bible.

If the tree of life was right there then why would God cast them out. Why would the Gods or God and whoever he was talking to feared they might eat from the tree of life?

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Quick questions...Why would a God say "be fruitful and multiply..." If the only way to do that is by sexual intercourse then punish them for doing his command?

I'm not too sure if the tree or fruit of good and evil was a sexual act....

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^^^ The issue here is the two mindsets\spirits at play: The one of God that says: all things, knowledge, principles created by God are good and fit for use by man, while the other(of the devil) says: some things are good and some things are evil(Therefore are prohibited). So Adam chose the second and we have seen the result of that since. You error is that you think this tree of the knowledge of good and evil is of god. This is what translates to the mindset that there are things in creation that have been banned by god and there are things allowed. This is not of God but of the devil and it translates to the Law of Moses. But as far as God is concerned: There is absolutely nothing in NATURE\UNIVERSE that is banned. Why are we sons(Gods) and inheritors(Gods) if we are afraid of common creations? Shouldn't these creations be subject to us??

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You did not complete the quoting of that passage, you stopped at 16 when in actuality it continued through to verse 17. That does not look like a full observance of the WHOLE truth.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

There was a BUT.... that was when the power of CHOICE, the greatest power given to Man was authorized to man. Was it Satan that was conferring this authority?

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You have got it in the reverse order. There is nothing God wants us not to know. He wants us to know and use and control(dominate) everything.

God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good...(Genesis 1:31 )

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely(Genesis 2:16 )

It was the devil who brought the idea of knowing somethings and forbidding other things, thus: "knowledge of good(things allowed) and evil(things forbidden)". It is a deception to think that it was gods idea to forbid things and knowledges that he had created and made good and fit for our use. Now the laws of Moses was the legal\formal manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but this knowledge of good and evil has been active in our consciences and behaviors since Adam adopted it. It is human nature, whether you are Jew or Gentile.

So Jesus dying signifies the fulfilling and abolishing of the law so that we can go back to the original mindset of all things being good and fit for our use and control.

To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled(Titus 1:15 )

All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.

The New Testament is replete with passages emphasizing this fact that we are liberated from the law which banned many things with it's "thou shalt not's..."

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That'll be a good idea, but what would be the source?

Can't wait to hear this explanation of the Kabala....

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@ karli4nia.... Do you know what Cabala/Kabala truly is? It is the occult - knowledge of secret things. Ever read Deuteronomy 29:29 before? There are some things God does not want us to pry into, but the Devil says, away with that! Come and I will teach it to you, hence the knowledge of good & evil... do you feel me? Hence witchcraft.... hence the fall of Mankind. Could it be that Eve was actually learning Kabala?

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+10 likes @theHighlighted

Can you tell us the kaballah version of this event?

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The story of Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit as related in the Bible is an allegory this represents a very profound truth of how Humans lost connection with God. If we know Kabala, we would have a detailed picture of what its all about. However, it is 100% intimately related with sex.

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From the characteristics(spirit) you'll know they are the same. Ie: The tree="knowledge of good and evil"; The law="Do's and Don'ts". They say exactly the same things, only in different words. But in the Law\mindset of God; there are no don'ts, Everything is do's, and yes, and Amen, because he created everything good and no Evil.

By Adam Adopting(eating) to be ruled by the tree of the knowledge of good and evil(or the Law), It became human nature and has been part of our consciences ever since. The presentation of the laws to moses was just a formality but the contract has been active since Adam.

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It pure fairy tale.

• THE STORY OF ADAM & EVE IS A MYTH SAYS CATHOLIC CARDINAL GEORGE PELL: http://consciouslifenews.com/catholic-cardinal-adam-eve-didnt-exist/1127457/

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