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What will happen to the ministries of these men of God, if they are called home to be with the Lord such as G.O, Oyedepo, Pastor Chris, Adefarasin?

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@Nuclearboy, your point is noted.

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@MOG2009:

You misunderstand me. I DID NOT SAY HE IS A FREEMASON. I used it as an illustration because a few weeks ago, some people here argued he was a Mason because he made some signs. At that time, I defended him and said it was inconclusive.

This argument made me use that as an example that just as the evidence APPARENTLY suggested he was a Mason, so it is that those who stoned paul APPARENTLY thought he was dead. Was Paul dead? Is Chris a Mason? My answer is NO to both but I wanted Joagabje to understand the language construct.

PAUL was NOT dead. I do not believe Chris Oyakilome is a FreeMason.

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@Nuclear  can you proof your claim that Pastor Chris is a member of freemason.

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joagbaje, did you do physics during your school days?

If you did, you would have heard about apparent depth/height as opposed to real/true depth or height.

The view a person could have of the depth of a swimming pool(filled with water) at a certain angle is obvious to the person as shallow

which gives him/her the apparent depth of the pool, but taking a dive would alert this person on the fact that the real depth is much deeper than earlier observed.

So , something being apparent is definitely obvious on face value, but further examination would reveal it to be not necessarily so.

Check here for apparent depth/real depth

Appart from all these above, it is very very easy for anybody to know that the passage from the bible in question never suggested that

Paul was dead but expressed what the people thought of his condition.

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Nuclearboy stop using such words, I thought its a discussion. I personally hold the opinion that Paul died. And if you go back and read the post . I clearly said " personal opinion" Stop allowing your bad belle for pastor chris to turn you into another thing.

I believe strongly that Paul actually died and rose. The greek word Anistemi confirms it. Whatever interpretayion you try to give it, One thing was sure. Paul rising up again was connected to the prayer of the saints. If he was not dead , why didnt he get up by himself?

Read that verse again.

Acts 14:20

Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.

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The understanding from wordboook dictionary was different. it means something obvious or so. I dont have it by me I would have quoted it verbatim.

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@Joagbaje:

This is simple - chris oyakilome is APPARENTLY a freemason because he made a few signs freemasons make

So answer this - Is He a freeMason?

Same thing with Paul was APPARENTLY dead because they thought he was dead.

Do you understand now?

Remember I defended him so watch your "I have beef" with oyaks nonsense

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I guess it's a combo/combination of the two.

At one point, it seems like the former; where he vehemently defends the glaringly wrong.

At another point, it seems like the latter where he mellows down a bit but still never admits being wrong.

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^^ My only query is - does he truly believe these things or is it the fear of losing his job/salary/whatever that makes him defend such horrendous ideas?

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E pass Joagbaje? What do you expect other than for him to be talking through his backside?

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^^^ Matter CONCLUDED - He was NOT dead.

This is the type of deliberate mis-interpretation that CE has become famous for. How do you re-invent meanings with a steady eye? You guys are a wonderment (!?*)

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Oga sir, go and brush up your english language.

Do you know the meaning of apparently?

Apparent:

Appearing as such but not necessarily so

. . . from WordWeb dictionary

Conclusion: Paul appeared to be dead, but was not dead.

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The stoning of Paul was not like a man chasing a goat away from the compund with stone. It was execution. Sharia . It was a death sentence  and not a wounding sentence. just as stephen was executed. The keep stoning until the individual dies . They have to be sure he was dead before throwing away the body. Thesame way James the brother of Jesus was killed by stoning and when he refused to die , someone smashed his head with a big stone befiore disposing the body. When you carry out execution ,you must ensure the person dies, if not its not execution.

Living bible gives more insight .

ACT 14:19 (TLB)

Yet only a few days later, some jews arrived from Antioch and Iconium and turned the crowds into a murderous mod that stoned Paul and draggged him out of the city, apparently dead 20. But as believers stood around him, he got up and went back into the city

Two things Jesus assured those who will believe in the resurrection life.

1. They will not die.

2. If they die, they will rise up  again. if they believe.

These two were evident in Paul's.ministry. When he was bitten by serpent  , people expected him to die. but the resurrection life kept him alive from death. And when he finally exprerience death through stoning execution, He was brought back alive by the prayer of the brethren. It is very evident that the rising up of Paul was based on the prayers of the saints that gather arround him.

Acts 14:20

   Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.

We have to come to a place where we can take the word for what it says.

John 11:25-26

   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I BELIEVE THOU THIS![size=13pt][/size]

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This is news to me Jo.

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^^ They "supposed" he was dead meant they THOUGHT WRONGLY that he was dead. Thats High School class 2 english and elementary.

anistemi

; to stand up (literally or figuratively, transitively or intransitively): - arise, lift up, (raise up (again), stand up(-right)

from Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries

"anistemi"'s meaning is above. Which would mean those who stoned Paul thought he was dead but after they left, he got up again

All this misinterpreting to turn Paul into another "Lord" is not good. Please stop it.

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God didnt create death, Death was a result of sin. Both physiscal and spiritual death. spiritual death brought physical death , spirtual life also has brought immortality. He has abolished death.

2 Tim. 1:10

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Jesus died for our sins, and gave us dominion over sin.

Romans 6:14

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

The fact that someone sin now does not make sin right. The more a man walk in truth the less mistakes he makes.

Likewise Jesus died for our sickness, pain and death. The fact that people false sick doesnt make sickness right.Thesame goes for death.

Sin,sickness,poverty and death should not reign over us.

Hebrews 2:9

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

That is why the message of the life in christ has to spread, the more you believe in this truth , the more truth you walk in.

John 11:25-26

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Why not take time to understand what Jesus is communicating to anyone who will dare to believe this truth.

In my personal opinion, I believe this was what Pauls was refering to in Philipians.

Philip. 3:10-12

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [12] Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Are you aware that Paul actually died and came back?

Acts 14:19-20

And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead. [20] Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city:

The Greek word for "rose" Anistemi; means rising from the ground and rising from the dead.

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^^^

I don't know why you guys are bothering to reply joagbaje, isn't it obvious he, oyaks and all the deluded lost souls in CEC plc desperately need help? Isn't it glàring that what they preach is another "gospel" contrary to apostolic teachings? Didn't the apostles warn us of such charlatans?

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FANTASTIC! Peter did not believe. Paul did not believe. James (aka baby-teeth) did not believe. In effect, none of those who walked with Jesus and died for His Gospel believed.

ONLY Joagbaje and Chris Oyaks "believe". All hail the perfect believers.

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@MOG2009

The point is , Death is a choice. Pastor Chris is not planning on death. neigher Im i planning to die. If you believe in the message , You will reign over death. Death is an enemy of God. The generation that believe this truth is the generation that will see the rapture.

John 11:26

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

If a man of God dies, It is based on what he believes. Death will rule over a man that believes in death. Enoch went by rapture, Elijah went by rapture .I go by rapture.

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they will remain in their position as associate, assistant and area pastors unless they find it in them to go open their own ministry business enterprise, if not they will remain subject to either the wife or son of the deceased man of god dog

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@op. Christ is the head of the church. Most GO.s knows that thats y they ve started preparing their successors like christ did with Peter. 'He said feed my sheep' most of them will do likewise

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@ Mudley313, food for thought. So, what about associate pastors, assistant pastors and area pastors or other local pastors?

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Corrected

Answer: They will be inherited by immediate family members (a la idahosa) like most business enterprises

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@Joagbaje, do you mean this guys will never die and they will live forever and ever on earth.  Where is Archbishop Idahosa?  What happen to his ministry?

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John 11:26

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The generation that will believe this truth is the generation that will see the rapture

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