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When Did Allah Say The Bible Was Corrupted And How?

Allah says somewhere in the Koran that he sent down the Torah (OT) and Injil (NT) and confirmed them.

Muslims now claim the Bible that Allah sent has been corrupted such that wherever the stories copied into the Koran differ from the Bible,they tell you it's because the Bible is corrupted.

Can anyone tell us when exactly the Bible became corrupted

Was it before Mohammed, during the lifetime of Mohammed or after the death of Mohammed.

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Just to expose the level its corruption! Bible is no divine, just a compilation of stories by UNKNOWN MEN!

When Jesus talk about the comforter, will you denied holy spirit presence within mankind before Jesus came when he said the comforter will only come after him.

Secondly, the holy spirit in any context mean the spirit of God, which has been used frequently to mean "angels", that relate message to prophets to in turn relate it to men. The comforter has described by jesus was meant to speak truth not of his own but what he hears and when he comes, he will prove the world wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment. So, tell me:

1. If the comforter is holy spirit and not a man, from whom he hears the message according to your bible?

2. The comforter would judge people, how has the hloy spirit judged people in the past and now?

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I wonder why olabs and co. are trying desperately to link mohammed to the bible.

The Holy Spirit can never be mohammed because of the following reasons:

John 14:16 — And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth.

The Comforter will be with these disciples forever. Jesus promised the Comforter would be with these disciples forever. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he wasn't born until over 500 years later - following the deaths of these disciples. He was born around 570 and died around 632 AD.

John 14:17 — But you know him for he lives with you and will be in you.

The Comforter lives with the disciples already now and will later be 'in' them. The Holy Spirit came to the disciples and indwelt them. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because first he wasn't around at the time when Jesus was speaking to his disciples nor second could he ever be in any of the disciples. The Greek word is 'en', and it means 'right inside'. Jesus is saying that the Comforter will be 'right inside' of the disciples.

John 14:26 — The Comforter is specifically described as the Holy Spirit. The Comforter is not a man. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he was never the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 — The Comforter will be sent in Jesus' name. The Holy Spirit represented the Lord on earth. No Muslim believes that Muhammad was sent by God in Jesus name. Muhammad did not come in Jesus' name, as the apostle of Jesus, rather he came in his own name with his own questionable “revelations”.

John 14:26 — But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

The Comforter will teach these disciples and remind them of what Christ said to them. As the early Christians grew the Holy Spirit taught them. Muhammad is not the Comforter because he never knew the disciples and he didn't teach these disciples, and Muhammad never reminded the disciples of what Christ said.

John 15:26 — When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

The Comforter would be sent to these disciples. These disciples received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Muhammad was never sent to these disciples.

John 16:13 — But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth.

The Comforter will guide these disciples into all truth. These disciples (and others) grew in the knowledge of God through the revelations from the Holy Spirit. Muhammad never guided these disciples into any truth.

John 16:13 — He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Comforter will speak to these disciples. These disciples grew to know the leading of the Holy Spirit, i.e. they knew His voice. Muhammad never spoke to these disciples.

John 16:14 — He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

The Comforter will take from Jesus and make it known to the disciples. Muhammad never knew Jesus and never took from Jesus and made it known to anyone.

The context of these passages shows clearly that Muhammad could not be the Comforter. Jesus was not speaking of another person to come at a later date. Jesus’ precious final words to His disciples were meant for them. Jesus was not merely preaching a sermon to be analyzed and intellectually talked about through the centuries, rather, He was giving His the disciples with Him there His final commands, love, and encouragement.

Here's a question for you to consider: In Islamic theology, Muhammad rendered Jesus’ message fulfilled or ended because Muhammad brought God’s latest message to the people. Muhammad expected that true believers in God would accept Islam. Therefore, if Jesus was foretelling Muhammad, wouldn’t Jesus be prophesying that his ministry will be rendered void by the Paraclete? Read the context of the passages and decide.

Further, to fulfill exactly what Jesus foretold concerning the Comforter and His relationship with the disciples, the New Testament records the fulfillment of the coming of the Holy Spirit and the disciples receiving Him. The disciples received the Comforter - the Holy Spirit, on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:3, 4. The Comforter was now “in” the disciples and He remained “in” them from then on and taught them — just as Jesus had said He would.

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what is olabs saying?

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@Sleek29: « #36 on: Today at 07:10:20 AM »

Now, what happend? lol. So why are you a christian, still? I am sure you know that Jesus was a Jew or is this a new information to you? lol. I beg oo. Omo boy, you got a smile out of me! O je di imale and have a wonderful life. Afterall, 9ja is a good place to practice your religion, bar none.

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Jesus said,i'll send you another comforter,of course he was the first one, why can't you just learn to know about the Holy Spirit and know that He isn't different from Jesus, Jesus was a teacher,the Holy Spirit does the same. and let me put it to you jews are the most cunny people i know especially those in the US ask them what happened to the world trade centre, planes or bombs

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@Sleek29: Where do you live man? I have been playing with Jews for at least 24 years since I started by own business. Some of them take me as their own son, nephew, friend, and the young among my jewish friend as an Uncle or big brother. Larry Weinsteen is a Judge in Las vegas and he is like my nephew. Fred Braff the person who started BUM Equipment is like a father or a big uncle to me. Let me just stop there. I have been invited and had attended many of their annual gatherings. I have rabbi Friends in Boro parks and I have spend uncountable weekends in many summer homes owned by many Jews!

You have no idea of anything, so dont tell me anything about Jews! they do not take Jesus partially because they are stiff-necked and believed that there will not be a prophet except a massiah. Jesus did not fit the bill for them! They needed a Moses and not an Aaron! But them when they tried to kill him as they had killed many messengers, Allah saved him from the "death on a cross", because ther intention was they wanted to accurse his soul by letting him expired on the cross!

Jesus said he could not do anything out of his own power, which clearly tells us that he was a human and not God, for God is capable to do all things! I asked you for "former Comforter" before the "another Comforter" you are dancing around the fences! Man answer my two parter question! I have not even taking you to task from the Biblical, "I have many things to say, but you cant bear it, "! If you want a uman god, then defend him as a no idol! I think that you are an idolator by your having a god that is human and another that you call aspiritual "another comforter", with a wrong title as father that I think you call the "Creator!"

And as your Bible as a revelation, read the Quran, no where does the Bible stand as a revelation from Allah. What is stated however is that Torah was revealed to Musa. I am very confident that the Jewish Torah if compared with the Christian OT, they will have some differences! So we ask you, in reality which one is ORIGINAL and UNADULTERATED> Yet I know that the hands of the scribes have entered into the Torah! And we see that the New Testament the Injil of Jesus has been tampered with where some verses have been taking in or taking out at this or that time, as the wind blows in the religion fashion of Christendom! At one time there was nothing called Protestant and definitely King james Bible! Today it is a well known book, a VERSION, ifferent from Catholic Douwy Bible by at least 6 Books!

Are these not signs that before you have all these "versions" one different from the others, there must have been an "ORIGINAL!" Or are they all versions, considered "ORIGINAL" like KJV Original, and Dowy Version Original or American Standard Version ORIGINAL?

I am waiting for your answer. Good night in the maintime. You have acted like a gentleman.

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@olabowale, you're wrong about something, the jews (judaism) don't even acknowledge Jesus as someone sent by God (whether God or prophet or son of God), some say he's just a teacher(rabbi), while some say he isn't, jews asked for Christ to be crucified, even today ask any practising jew he'll tell you exactly that, the torah is what a jew believes in, they killed Jesus because he called himself the messiah (of which he actually is), if a rabbi mentions the name Jesus its followed by(may his bones grind to dust), so tell me where is the original injeel and don't tell me its that crazy gospel of barnabas as its just plain concoction, so where is the bible Allah claimed to have been corrupted .

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In jest or not, you use it, when you honor yourself. And its not when you humiliate or dishonor yourself. I use it when I want to show my important to any one. My wife is a good start. And she is permissable to use it for herself and say, Olabowale o, awa laya e. I got no problem with it.

So let the dude marlbron know that majestic plural is permissable by the one in authority. Definitely, The God/Allah/Eloi can used it for imself, alone, without somebody thinking that there are associates and co authority holders with Him. This is my agument.

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To be honest, the only time you will catch me using royal 'we' for myself is in jest. I will not seriously talk to my woman like that. Although I agree that in some languages it is acceptable for one to refer to oneself thus.

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But the messed up thing is that we all know that Jesus didn't write any Injeel and that the letters of Paul were written before the Injeel. I presume that the injeel is the gospels, yeah?

In fact christianity was alive and thriving long before there was any Injeel, so how could Allah have revealed it to Jesus?

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@osisi

Yes, osisi, I will say previous divine books were corrupted!lo

Who was bible revealed to? There is no where in the  Quran where Allah says he revealed bible, it is TORAH to Moses and INJEEL to Jesus. Now tell me, which part of the bible constitute INJEEL and which part constitute TORAH according to what you belief in the bible?

expecting your response

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@ Pastor. . . Have arranged marriages ever been a part of yoruba culture? I mean when parent choose the partner and the child has no say in the matter

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haha. . .Ijebu sounds a lil like my native dialect.

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I didn't know that Ijebu could be so sweet until I saw this:

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If not for subtitles I don't even think I would be able to understand anything.

I'll get back to you on the matter of majestic plurals.

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Oko obinreen! thats Ijebu for you. Now, that I know that you know how to seduce your wife, tell me, can you use majestic plural to honor yourself by furthering your seduction? To satisfy a woman is a big task. Most men fall short of its accomplishment, so the woman never let him know how inadequate he his in the pre-intimacy department. pre-intimacy does not have to lead to sex, immediately, you know.

I want to hear about the majestic plural bit. Can you tell us how that is? Do you use it? I want you to take Marlbron to school on this issue!

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E kurole egbon mi! I'm fine thank you. However I want to state that prior to honoring myself in front of my wife I first make sure that my wife is well and thoroughly honoured herself. After ensuring her satisfactory satiation I can then please myself as I wish. Hey, but that's just me.

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@Marlbron: Ask Pastor AIO, he will tell you that when a husband is honoring himself in front of his wife, he will say " sebi awa ni oko e?" (In english we are your husband). And this husband is obviously refering to himself, because the wife does not have more than one husband all at the same time. At least not in Yorubaland. The Kings do use plural for themselves! Its called Majstic plural> When I speak to my wife, I sometimes say, aa nba e soro. Oo de gbo nkon taa nba e soo. Pastor, educate this man called Marlbron.

@Pastor AIO: Allah used Muhammad (AS) to cover all lands, all peoples, all the time till the day of Judgement, from the time of Muhammad (AS) onward! This is one of the reasons you have Bilal bin Rabah (RA), the Muhadhin of Muhammad, being a black african. What else do you want when you have the best, already?

Bawo ni, omo onilee?

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A muslim brother warned me of replying the likes of osisi. Hmmmm. But by replying many will benefit even the christians who are blinded by their pastor.

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Quran 4:163

verily, Allah have sent the revealation to yo you (O muhammad) as Allah sent the revealation to Noah and the Prophets after him. We (Allah) also sent the revealation to Abraham, Ishmael, isaac, jabob and the offspring of the twelve sons of jacob, jesus, job, jonah, Aaron and solomon and to David we (Allah) gave the psalms'

N.B DAvid was given psalm in the above psalm.

Quran 6:154

Then We (Allah) gave moses the Torah, to complete our favour upon those who would do right and  explaining all thing in detail and a guidance and a mercy that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord'.

Above the torah was revealed to moses.

Quran 5:46

And in their footsteps. We sent jesus, son of Mary, comfirming the Torah that had come before him, and We (Allah ) gave him the Gospel in which guidance and light and confirmation of the torah that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for the pious'

The above quoted jesus as been given the gospel.

If the gospel was revealed to jesus then  what happen to it ? Did it disappear or what ?  What made paul to write the scripture all over again.

Be the judge: page 85 of Da vinci code

constantine ordered the destruction of all works that contradicted the new religion (christianity), including all writings about jesus by pagan writers and even christian writers who lacked the foresight of how history was to be rewritten. This was conducted with efficient zeal with nearly all christian documents, especially those in Rome, disappearing to make way for their replacements. In 331 AD, Constantine seized the opportunity of conducting the whitewashing of history and ordered new versions of the new testament to be written.  

What this means is the new testament that we have today was written in the 4th century with political spin desirable to constantine

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@$Osisi: « #5 on: Today at 06:58:34 PM »

Now tell, me, why did the Jews practised that part of their Toraic law, if Jesus already cancelled it by "throw the first stome story?" You see why I had asked you sometimes ago, how did Mary stay alive, if stoning was prescribed by Musa in the Torah before Isa bin Mary, except that Quran gave the explanation by Jesus' defense of his mother by his speech in the cradle?

What do you have to say about this? Am waiting!

so please when did the same Torah that Mohammed use to unleash his punishment get corrupted and by who?

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@$Osisi: « #3 on: Today at 06:54:44 PM »  

Finally, is it not true that the maryianites/mites have called on Mary as an intercessor to Jesus, like the Catholics do today? And the whole of Christendom called on Jesus as intercessor to God/Eloi/Allah? Haa.

@JeSoul: Dont act as if you believe Torah is not corrupt? Afterall, search with the finest toothcomb, you will not find Jesus and Trinity in it! As a matter of fact you will not find Trinity in New Testament!Show me that word; Trinity and I will see you in Boston before the end of Summer!

Show me Baptism in the Jewish tradition. Then show me Bermitvah in Christian tradition? I wanna see a Jew get Baptised and a Christian get bermitvah? Yet you guys use the same Book, with different traditions? Did Jesus get Bermitvah as a Jew or get Baptised as a Cristian?

And Bermitvah is the rite of passage to adulthood at age 13! When did you do your Batism or was it bermitvah, like Jesus Bermitvah?

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@$Osisi: « #2 on: Today at 06:52:27 PM »  

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Because the OT has been shown by scholars to not be of divine origin, it is logical for anyone who believes the evidence they have presented to conclude that the Qur'an's claim is not accurate; and it is not of divine origin either. As in, God did not physically give any document to Moses on Mount Sinai, so th Qur'an is based on a man made document.

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Âl 'Imran 3:93. * a group of Jews went to Mohammed and ask him to pronounce judgment on an adulterous couple. Mohammed asked for the Torah to be brought before him, and the couple was subsequently stoned, in accordance with the penalty laid down in the Torah. (see Sahih Bukhari Book 38, no. 4434) * This incident indicates that Mohammed deferred to the Torah for judgment. In the whole incident, there is no indication whatsoever that the Torah is not trustworthy.

so please when did the same Torah that Mohammed use to unleash his punishment get corrupted and by who?

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Answer the question ma friend!

How can you make baseless unsubstantiated claims?

It's obvious that at the writing of the Koran,Allah didn't claim so,or did he?

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From the Islamic holy book

Sura 5:46 Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous.

Sura 5.68 Say, "O people of the scripture, you have no basis until you uphold the Torah, and the Gospel, and what is sent down to you herein from your Lord." For sure, these revelations from your Lord will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief.

so when again did Allah say the Bible was corrupted?

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You are really on a roll! Rite on. Just dont let the skid get you to lake of fire! I hope that you will wake up one day before too long and say that boy Olabowale and the others on nairaland are right. We will wait for you. Allah is AlGhafur Al Afuww Al Rahim! Wake up, girl!

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