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When Did God Create Hell?

In which of the seven days of creation did God create hell? Did God design and create the world with HELL in mind or did he create it as an after-thought?

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Men created Hell for themselves when they misuse the neutral power from on-high.

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Accepted. Who's Nick? Look, I know atheists and Christians needle each other here. It's like some kind of sport. You can clearly tell both sides are having fun. One atheist told a Christian she was so religious her brain cells are dead and only respond to the word 'Jesus'! I almost burst a gut laughing. They pass the thing back and forth. But snide superiority and outright insult is beyond the pale, man.

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The most prominent hell creators and sustainers on NL are as follows;

1)Olaadegbu - Chief creator/sustainer/propagandist of hell

2)Davidylan

3)Noetic

4)May Kelly

5)Nuclearboy

5)Abuzola

6)Olabowale

7)Evang Olu

To these fellows, religion without the concept of hell is meaningless. So they keep on creating and sustaining this place of torture in their minds every moment of their lives. Must be a weird way of living.

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lets get back to the topic. Hell created by God or not.

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@Mad_Max

I am ashamed for stooping low to the extent of getting tagged rude

I misconstrued the ambiguity(ies). Am sorry and apologise

I agree with Nick you on certain issues you highlighted hence the interest, enthusiasm & scrutiny

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You're rude.

You assume my two long posts were meant just for you. They weren't.  While talking indoctrination, the 'you' was a general public you, not just you in particular. I've lived the indoctrinated life. It IS a peculiar form of bondage. The message was for others in a similar predicament. It's possible you may have mistaken my earnestness for pretentiousness. You're free to. People here have posted things that's helped me lots of times. The posters had no idea. So it wasn't all about you.

Oh dear. Which assertions in particular?

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hell does not exist. . . .and , god does not exist likewise . all were created by men to twist the world with their so-called religion madness.

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@Romeo4real

Hear hear . . . and subscribing

by the way, Mad_Max is a she

PS Huxley is cool, he throws up subject matters, steps back, watches the terrain and then interjects when he fancies or deems fit

Jagunlabi on the other hand is a toughened cookie (i.e. o ti giran) famous for his general distrust and seasonal cynicism

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@Mad Max - with regards to you comment above, it would be nice of you to inform us as to why. You have made certain assertions that people want to know more about, or want you to clarify. It is only fair that you do so, or offer a more plausible reason for your inability to do so.

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Whilst Mad Max may sound off topic and rambling, he has articulated himself quite eloquently and in an erudite manner. It is worthwhile to consider what he is saying. This is more that can be said of other posters here.

As for Jagunlabi & Huxley - it is best to ignore them. Huxley is well known for intentionally creating posts for the express purpose of contention, rather than for enlightened discussion. He seem to have found an excellent tag team partner in Jagunlabi!

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@Mad_Max

Simply take the advice to frequent here often to shrug off the Nolly & Hollywood fantasy and delusions of grandeur

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The logical thing to do here is to take an EFFECTIVE step to make sure the rest of the loafs of bread are without dents, with emphasis on EFFECTIVE. If this yahweh really loved his creations, then he should have taken effective steps to correct what the problem was, afterall he had more than enough time to have done so, but he did not.

I hope that you can see the fallacy of your analogy.

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@ Mad Max and all other like him

You people make my head hurt. What ever happen to "just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin and thus death spread to all man because they have all sinned." If you bake bread in pan with a dent every bread that you bake in that pan will have a dent. Abeg use short sentences and easy logic. You go make my head scatter.

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Hell is as old as d rebellion of d devil.i think d right question shuld be when did lucifer rebel.

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I didn't mean to sound pretentious. I detest it in people. Or to mislead/misguide either. I know you're disppointed I didn't answer your questions directly, though I easily could. I can't start telling you things as if I'm some divinely appointed teacher. I'm still learning and know very, very little. But there's no way the things you've seen and know or think you know won't colour what you say, though you're attempting to say nothing. Hence my sounding 'vague'. I simply cannot tell you things. And certainly not on a public forum. You can't look to people to lead you and teach you and tell you what to believe or how to believe or what is true or not true. Only He may lead you. Just look to Him. He's the whole point.  THAT was my whole point. He isn't affiliated to any religion either. No religion has a monopoly on truth.

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@Mad_Max

Dont sweat yourself over "MY DESCENT INTO DEATH by Howard Storm".

- already familiar with the subject & author

With respect and without offence, I daresay your submission(s) were deceptively initially interesting, it fizzled out to be pretentious

and turned out to be off-the-rail with warped rhetorics, unnecessarily vague & misleading out of sheer misguidance . . .

Take a sabbatical off the Movies forum and make more or frequent pit-stops and/or appearances here

PS For the record I am not affliated to a religion.

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And yet if you don't, it's unlikely you'll learn anything new. Indoctrination is a form of mental bondage. It erects a wall. How can God get behind that wall and talk to you if you don't pull it down? It can't be easy for God. We're hard creatures to teach, and we don't learn. We're gifted at self-deception, at going off our own tangents, at twisting things, at perverting the truth, at seeing what we want to see. How can we be trusted? Nevertheless, He talks to us, He teaches us, He does not stop trying.

He talks to you and I, if you'll listen. If you won't insist you know better. He'll always confirm things He tells you. In the bible, in the words and writings of strange people, in many ways. There was a book I happened across that confirmed things I knew, but from which I also learnt new things. The author is an atheist who died in a Parisienne hospital. He expected oblivion (he didn't believe we survived biological death) and got a huge shock instead. Read what he says and judge for yourself. I believed him. It's MY DESCENT INTO DEATH by Howard Storm. If you like, I can post excerpts from the book here.

God's is a Spirit of truth and He'll lead you into truth, if you desire it. Your religious teachers may be right and what they say may be true. But God also wants to talk to YOU personally. Don't block him out with indoctrinated ideas and act like religious authourity knows better than HE.

Maybe it's better to stay in the safety of what you've been taught, and to defend that viciously if it's threatened. Because those teachings are a part of you, those who attack it attack you in way, and in defending it you're defending yourself. It's natural. You're saved whether you hide behind indoctrination or not.

But if you want to know things, you'll have to endure the trauma of de-doctrination.  The things you'll learn will have been taught you by religious authority, but now you learn in perfect freedom. But you'll learn new things too. Hidden things. Secret things.Stay in your comfort zone. Or dare to venture out and ask God to lead you into truth like He promised. He is ready and willing and able. It's fantastic He even bothers

at all, but He does. I know 'His Love' has become a cliche and lost meaning. But in truth, no one will ever love you more.

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Ah, I shall have to disappoint you and not answer some of that. By evolving biologically I don't mean we arrived by ourselves, independent of God. God created us. We're spirit beings He thought about. We came into existence because of that. If you're alive on this earth you're an amalgam of spirit and flesh. Imagine how powerful a being must be, if he created creatures as complicated as we are merely by thinking about it. We aren't all He created. There are things and beings far far far more powerful and incredible than mere humans. He continues to create. Universes and beings and spirits and realms and hyper-realities impossible to imagine. It doesn't end. It's wonderful.

The Adam/Eve story in the bible isn't the original. It's a waterered down version. I think the Talmud contains the original. When you read that you're in no doubt it's allegorical, but the hairs on your neck prickle. Something is clearly happening there, hidden by imagery. Something true and terrible. It's not for me to say. When your mind confronts something that is true but you're not ready for it, you will reject it. So you'll find out the Adam/Eve story isn't literal at your own pace. People have known they aren't real for a long, long time. It's not new.

One exercise is to think of the spiritual facts you know and how you arrived by that knowledge. Isn't it from religious authority, from other men? And didn't you believe based on their authority as teachers and pastors? Or they offered incontroversible proof of what they taught you? So what's true for you then is dependent on which particular religious authority you trust and choose to believe. But isn't it true that these authorities differ and so there are diverse creeds and doctrines in Christianity, denominations representing its own brands of truth? Doesn't all the arguments between Christians on this forum reflect the different truths we've been taught?

But if a thing were true, wouldn't it be true regardless of denomination or creed? How many things do you KNOW for yourself that isn't based on religious authority teaching? If you're like most of us, precious little. So what you're defending isn't necessarily what is true but what you've been taught for so long it's a part of you. To doubt it would be acute discomfort. To cut it off would be hideous trauma. It'll be like being adrift at sea with no compass.

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@Mad_Max

Was about saying, yeah, let's agree to disagree but among others the bolded caught my eyes

So what are we guilty of?

How are we lost . . .

When, how, where did we sin . . .

How did we evolve, what and/or where did we evolve from . . .

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Yeah. I've heard how God made man from scratch and a woman from his rib and they ate a fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and mankind fell. That something as abstract as knowledge is represented by 'tree' and 'fruit' tells you this isn't a literal story. It's like Revelation, when a message is given to John in symbols. He understood. There was a place where he was completely baffled. Seeing he didn't get that particular imagery, the angel with him explained what it meant. The woman stands for this, the horns stand for that, etc. But he understood everything else and so there are no explanations offered for them. Adam and Eve aren't real flesh and blood people. No sin entered the world because they ate allegorical fruit. It's an insult to God's perfect justice that you'd accuse Him of punishing the innocent for the supposed sins of others and feel completely comfortable in this belief.

We're guilty all right. We're lost all right. We sinned all right. But it wasn't by proxy. There was no Adam and Eve. Biologically, we evolved as a species. But this world isn't the beginning and it isn't the end. We are. . . very old, all of us. God says, I have foreknown you from the foundation of the world. What do you think that means? It shouldn't be hard. Think of the story of the prodigal son. Think of Christ saying He will leave 99 secure sheep and go after a single one that is lost. Tnen go over the allegorical Adam and Eve story again. You'll figure it out. There's no such thing as inherited or original sin from Adam/Eve . It's, I'm sorry, completely absurd.

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Mad_Max

Let's use the present age (i.e. the information technology age) and bring this home

Using Microsoft Office Word we can make sense of

"by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"

Normal.dot (endearingly referred to as Normal Dot Dot) is the default or global template that Word uses to create a blank document

The moment the template becomes corrupt, all future word documents created with it will be corrupt unless the issue with the template is fixed or addressed before use

Those two people that sinned were the template that got damaged resulting in all humanity becoming guilty (i.e. word documents created from a defective template)

Sorting out the defective template gets one back to churning out defect free word documents

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You're right. God didn't create hell. But flesh and blood Adam and Eve never existed either. The Genesis story is an allegory telling you something else that is true. It makes no sense to say two people 'sinned' and all humanity became guilty. Even if they were real people, and they aren't, wouldn't inherited sin have stopped at the point God declared that Fathers would not pay for the sins of children, and children would not pay for the sins of their parents, but each would bear the consequences of his/her own sin?

It seems hell is real. It seems to exists as a vast, infinitely complex place of separation from God.

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Amen!!!, u got it, thats absolutely correct.

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He didn't create hell. God original purpose was for humans to leave FOREVER in PERFECT conditions on a beautiful earth. Adam and Eve messed that up. And sin was brought in to the earth, and the wages of sin is death. Hell as an eternal damnation is made up. Hell is actually mankind common grave which we can all expect to "go" to if we happen to die.

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first of all God did not create any hell.

hell was created by the religions of man.

the funny thing about hell is that everyone is going to hell. how?

christian, buddhists, hinduists, atheists, pagans etc. are all going to the moslem's hell since they are infidels.

and moslems, hinduists and Buddhists, atheists, pagans etc. are all going to the christian hell since they are unbelievers.

therefore at the end of the day everybody is going to hell.

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@ ^^

Yes, God already planned to have humans end up in hell . . .

Yes, God knew humans would sin . . . and hell was created in advance

No, God was not surprised when Adam sinned

Yes, correct God already knew they will sin . . .

Why was God surprise?

God was not surprised when Adam sinned, afterall God is omniscient

The questioning was for Adam's benefit - an experience called self-discovery

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So God had already planned to send humans to hell many many years before he created Adam, correct? So God knew that humans would sin and eventually have to end up in hell, so he created hell many many years in advance of creating man. So why was God surprise when Adam & Eve sinned. God already knew they were going to sin, correct?

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Hell was not part of the six days creation. Hell was created many many years before the creation of Adam.

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You guys should stop forcing me to keep replying this thread.

@post above, I have read the Bible before. Don't assume that my asking questions means that I have no knowledge of the Bible.

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fellis, read the bible so u will understand.

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I decided to leave this thread alone for the starter before but I just have to comment on this.

How could this hell have been divinely revealed to anyone yet? Does that mean that judgement has already taken place without it being judgement day already?

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Divine revelation of hell by Mary Baxter

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Greetings to  Dear fellow Nairalanders, I kept reading comments given on the post

We Thank God for his grace and mercy , and pray that The founder of Nairaland and users remain blessed AMEN.

To God belong the secrets , mystery , key to the Heavens above and the Earth Beneath them . He is ONE , The most High , Nothing is above Him ,

HE was not Begotten ,has not begotten, He has no wife . And non can be likened unto him. He never give his secret of the unseen to anyone.

The Originator of Creator , He creates what he wills with his power . He created the Angels from Light, The Jinn from Smokeless Fire , and Man from

Earth as he wills he gave each of them souls yet with instructions  and He the Greatest knows the Number of Generations that will live before he

Judge as he is the best to Judge.He did not create all things without reasons . And of His Messengers are THE ANGELS and Men .

Adam was created without Mother and Father . He thought Adam that which he knew not e.g Names of Animals which the Angels do not know.

Adam and  Eve should have been free of sin,  If they both obeyed God and not listen to Satan as God told Adam that Satan is a clear enemy to him from the Day he Adam was created .

When Angels welcomed (Honored) Adam but Satan Refused and Said God created Adam from Clay and he was Created from Fire SO he disobeyed

God and Satan was an outcast and promised to lead Adam and his offspring astray and will come from every angle to make them commit

mischief but God said he Satan will be burnt from the Fire Which he was Created from and his companions who disobeyed him will be burnt in HELL

Except for they who abide by his commandments will be safe.We all can imagine how many generations with different language, skin colour, body shapes he created just from a single soul Adam.

Well all benefit from his abundance and he keep sustaining the Earth. He sends down rain from the Heaven to give life to earth so as to produce

food and water in abundance for all living creatures.

The mystery of how he creates  things brings about everyday wonder and argument .among mankind and the World filled with various activities.Glory be to him.

God created Paradise as MERCY through it he shows mercy to whom he will and HELL as punishment through it he punish whom he will. HELL was not created for Mankind but  (Satan) and the evil spirits and they that chose to Satan companion .

But human being disobey God  and Transgress all bound. If Men of understanding should reason we all know that The Creation of Earth and

Heaven is a more serious matter than the creation of mankind but Mankind sees Himself as Free of wants.

He alone knows when he created everything except that which he reveal to Mankind and the Angels.

He already showed us the right way, How to Worship Him, HIS COMMANDMENT  he told the truth as he is the truth, The First and the Last,

If He God so willed The past Generations wouldn't have fought themselves but he does what ever he wills with his power , He Compel what , whom

he wills for reasons , That's why He is God  the only Deity worthy of Worship . But mankind sets partners of worship when they know he sees ,

hear, is aware of all we do. Every day Neither sleep nor slumber overtakes Him ,All that is in Heavens and the Earth Beseech him of his Goodness and Bounty and he is free of want.

He is independent while we depend on Him. And Mankind cannot pass beyond the Horizons of the Earth to the Heavens except by permission of His Lord

And Finally The Main Reason for the creation of  "Life and Death is as to which of us is best in deeds"

The Trees and Birds and other creatures glorifies Him he hears, sees and understand all.

Back in some years in Military Cantonment Ikeja by the walk way i saw trees with the name in Arabic "Allah" displayed on it.  The name of God "Allah" also appeared on leaves, Melon, Fishes , which i watched on videos on the Net.

All these are signs that God is ever living and the REAL AND ONE CREATOR that inspires all living things and we proclaim his greatness.

even lately in February 2010 in Russia A baby was Born with the Scriptures of  Qur'an mentioning God's name on his Leg.

see this link to see the video

http://www.moslemspace.com/szakir2007/video/miracles-of-islam-verses-of-holy-quran-appeared-on-skin-of-a-9-months-old-b/

The Alternation of the Day and Night is a Sign for men of understanding and everything he created with measures . It is not permissible for the  Day

to overtake the Night nor the Night to overtake the day and the Sun, the Moon  each swims in its Orbit, We all imagine the wonder of Creation by

God .Among Men he chose as messengers in series (e.g Adam , Noah, Moses, Elisha, Elijah, Jacob, Abraham, Jesus,Mohamed ) and telling  them to

warn their  people from sin simply because of His love for Mankind as his Mercy is more than his Anger. God is truly aware of all we do when a

mankind of each Generations is going astray he do send messengers to them to  If he had willed he would have destroyed them just as he did to

the people of Lot . The most Merciful God.   Among Mankind are those that advice to patience and  truth and are some that

Leads astray (and impatience ) for verily mankind "WAS CREATED ANXIOUS"

I pray God Almighty Throw his divine light into our heart and show us the way and we seek his refuge from the evil of that he as created and from we seek refuge from from he whispers evil into the bosom of jinn and mankind,   Amen.

To Him all  matter returns and to Him is the return of all.

Peace be upon the messenger Thanks and Glory be to our Lord Owner of Majesty and Honor.

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LOLOL. You a piece of work. . . .anyway I'll wait 4 you to return. By the way thanks for presenting your arguments peacefully. It makes things easier.

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^I am comin, ryt now I am busy. Same 4 d oda threads.

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@Fellis

Not entirely or quite so . . .

On the former, yes but on the latter, no

On judgement day those of questionable value and/or those that sinned would end up in hell.

Quick question Fellis

Are you right, are you always right?

Am asking because all unrighteousness is sin resulting with a questionable value

Only those with the righteousness of God will be spared the trash bin hell

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@Fellis

". . . humans aren't supposed to sin" claim.

Please give us some clues and/or evidence that humans arent suppose to sin . . .

Satan and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil . . .

To tempt or to test, hmm, that is the question dilemma

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^^Why do you think God created satan if his work was to tempt humans to sin and humans aren't supposed to sin?

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when he created satan

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God hates sin & he does all that can be done to show sinners his love, but he forces no one into obedience to his will.

The choice of the wicked determines their destiny, hell or heaven.

P-CE

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^Christian ego died on calvary. I doubt that you understand the statement anyway

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you need common sense!

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Hope huxley is learning his lessons so as not to repeat this class asking the same questions later?

jagunlab is so pathetic I didn't even bother myself. This are the ilk that criticise scriptures and say it's story written by fishermen. With all the resource available at your beck and call, that's all your intelligence could imagine? go and get salvation, that's your eminent need

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no non-existent god created any hell. human beings did . . . in their own imagination

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please let give the poor boy rest. the self-contradiction of the Bible keeps on rearing its head. first the undying love of God for his creations is in question and at what time the place hell was created?

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I taught i was the only one who couldnt find sense in the epistle Jagunlabi posted.

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A group of scientists, atheists and traditionalists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. They picked one scientist to go and tell God that they no longer needed Him.

God listened patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist finished, God said, "Very well! How about this? Let's have a man-making contest."

To which the man replied, "OK, great!"

But God added, "Now we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."

The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and gra grabbed a handful of dirt.

God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You make your own dirt!"

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@^^^

In the same vein which of the seven days of creation did God create death?

Death and hell are closely related sharing an inevitable fate

Figure out the day death was created and you're not far behind sussing the day for hell

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Jagunlabi u re yawning dust.

Hell wasnt created for man by God initial,it was for satan.Matt25vs41 hell was created for the devil&his angels. Also note that God doesnt want men in hell but wants pple to repent 2Peter3:9 that all men should come to repentance.

If anyone refuses to believe in jesus/God,such one is choosing hell. God didnt force Jesus/himself on anyone,if not all atheist should have been wiped off by God for refusing him.Yet he didnt do that,Everyone will choose where h/she wants to end up.Hell will be the home of many at the end.In fact hell is enlarged to accommadate alot of God reject.Isaiah5:14 say hell is enlarged awaiting candidates who prefers there.

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^Alright. So on judgement day it is actually those of questionable value and not really those that sinned that would end up in hell, not so?

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