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When Did Jesus Know He Was God?

At what age did Jesus become aware that he was god?  Was it

1)  In the womb

2)  At birth?

3)  6 months old ?

4)  1 year old ?

5)  12 years old ?

6)  20 years old ?

7)  30 years old ?

8.)  33 years old ?

9)  At the crucifixion?

10) At the Resurrection?

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Dear christian, how can you worship a god, a weak god for that matter. Genesis 2:1-3, God finished all his work and rested on the 7th day, poor christian god. Mathew 26:67 'jesus was struck, spat, beaten and spat, mathew 27:46 jesus cried with agony making senseless talk 'myself myself, why thou forsake me forsake myself'

john 8:28 jesus said 'i do nothing of myself'

Quran 40:68

It is He (Allah) who gives life and causes death. And when He decides upon a thing He says to it only 'BE' and it is'

knowledge hath come to you, be wise and choose the right path of the Almighty

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Yes Jesus said he and his father were one, but not in a literal sense. Jesus was referring to the fact that he was always in complete harmony with his father. At John 8:28 Jesus himself clearly explained this when he said -"When once you have lifted up the son of manthen you will know that I am her and that I do nothing of my own initiative but just as the father taught me I speak these things."

If you also look at 1Corinthians 15:28 it talks about Jesus's role in heaven and how he is still in subjection to his father Jehovah. It says[b]-"But when all thing will have been subjected to him then the son himself will also subject himself to the one who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."[/b]

It says clearly that "the Son himself" will subject himself to God (the one who subjected all things to him). It also says "so that God may be all things to everyone" including his son Jesus Christ.

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Tudor you are a barbarian.

@olumaintain, yeah thats what am saying, tudor, hitler, noetic, satan infact a cat too is god. This is hilarious

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If Jesus said he was God, and some people seems crazy with the pharisees and saducees,

What about me being god (the son of God).

It is about your depth of understanding.

Ye are gods.

But psalm 82:5 explains that many in darkness will never understand this truth.

The only way to Accept being a god is by knowing the truth, JESUS.

If you don't know JESUS, you will always dispute it.

Jesus said, " I and my father are one" this is the truth.

God bless you for reading this truth.

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sleek29,

Thanks so much.

I know that the truth that we know shall set us free.

I owe nobody any apology for knowing the truth.

But for people who said i am brainwashed,

It is not true,

The truth is, “I am Spirit-washed”. Isn't that great?

For those who understands this truth, congratulation.

Read Psalm 82:5.

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Your sect is really under represented on this forum. I'd urge you and your colleagues to pls come on NL and educate us about your sect and doctrines. Other christian sects especially the pentecostals are monopolising this section, you wouldn't want them to be feeding us their lies unchallenged, do you?

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Abuzola, you are a foolish man! I'm not a god coz all god's are selfish, incompetent and egocentric liars!

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Hahah, we are god, satan too is a god, hitler likewise tudor, every1 is god. Lmao

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SoWhat77 are you a jehovah's witness?

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While I am in total agreement with what I posted above I am not the author. This was taken from an article regarding the question, "Was Jesus God".

There are other brilliant articles where this one came from. Articles on subjects that are on the minds of many people today, such as, family life,when will suffering end and what does God really expect of us. If anyone is interested they can find these articles and many others at www.watchtower.org

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@olaolu

If i get u right u are god and nt God? pls differentiate

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Lysaa,

I really appreciate the Spirit of God in you.

I would like to speak with u on phone.

However, send me a mail to fredglog2006@gmail.com.

I will now get you my mobile or get yours thru mail.

But for those who don't know and does not want to know the truth,

we can't but keep saying it.

I still repeat that, "I am god" Psalm 82:6

Only people who understands Holy Spirit will understand this.

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@sowhat77

Thanx for your thorouh and incisive analysis of the whole issue putting it into better perspective, however some people on this forum are so thoroughly brainwashed and thick in the skull that all your brilliant and bible based analysis would not mean anything to them.

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the question seems difficult

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young, but i feel its a mystery

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The Trinity and the Church

The Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus or of the early Christians. As noted previously, it is “a teaching of the church.” In its 1999 issue on the Trinity, The Living Pulpit observed: “Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the trinity is standard Christian theological fare,” but it added that it is not “a biblical idea.”

The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) discusses the Trinity at length and admits: “The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”

Martin Werner, as professor at the University of Bern, Switzerland, observed: “Wherever in the New Testament the relationship of Jesus to God, the Father, is brought into consideration, whether with reference to his appearance as a man or to his Messianic status, it is conceived of and represented categorically as subordination.” Clearly, what Jesus and the early Christians believed is far different from the Trinity teaching of churches today. From where, then, did this teaching come?

The Trinity’s Early Origins

The Bible tells of many gods and goddesses that people worshiped, including Ashtoreth, Milcom, Chemosh, and Molech. (1 Kings 11:1, 2, 5, 7) Even many people in the ancient nation of Israel once believed that Baal was the true God. So Jehovah’s prophet Elijah presented the challenge: “If Jehovah is the true God, go following him; but if Baal is, go following him.”—1 Kings 18:21.

The worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was also common before Jesus was born. “From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity,” observed historian Will Durant. In the Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahma, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus.”

So there are many gods. Did early Christians acknowledge this? And did they view Jesus as Almighty God?

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JESUS often prayed to God, whom he called Father, and he also taught others to do so. (Matthew 6:9-11; Luke 11:1, 2) In prayer with his apostles—only hours before his death—Jesus petitioned: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you. This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:1, 3.

Notice that Jesus prays to One whom he calls “the only true God.” He points to God’s superior position when he continues: “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.” (John 17:5) Since Jesus prayed to God requesting to be alongside God, how could Jesus at the same time be “the only true God”? Let us examine this matter.

Jesus’ Position in Heaven

A few hours after this prayer, Jesus was executed. But he was not dead for long—only from Friday afternoon till Sunday morning. (Matthew 27:57–28:6) “This Jesus God resurrected,” the apostle Peter reports, “of which fact we are all witnesses.” (Acts 2:31, 32) Could Jesus have resurrected himself? No, according to the Bible, the dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) “The only true God,” Jesus’ heavenly Father, resurrected his Son.—Acts 2:32; 10:40.

A short time afterward, Jesus’ disciple Stephen was killed by religious persecutors. As they were about to stone him, Stephen was granted a vision. He stated: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:56) Jesus, “the Son of man,” was thus seen by Stephen in a role supportive to God in heaven—“at God’s right hand”—even as he had been ‘alongside God’ before he came to earth.—John 17:5.

Later, after Stephen’s execution, Jesus made a miraculous appearance to Saul, better known by his Roman name, Paul. (Acts 9:3-6) When Paul was in Athens, Greece, he spoke of “the God that made the world and all the things in it.” He said that this God, the “only true God,” will “judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.” (Acts 17:24, 31) Here the apostle Paul described Jesus as “a man”—yes, lesser than God—whom God had restored to life in heaven.

The apostle John too described Jesus as subordinate to God. John said that he had written his Gospel so that readers might come to believe that “Jesus is the Christ the Son of God”—not that he was God. (John 20:31) John also received a heavenly vision in which he saw “the Lamb,” who in his Gospel is identified as Jesus. (John 1:29) The Lamb is standing with 144,000 others, who John says “have been bought [or resurrected] from the earth.” John explains that the 144,000 have the Lamb’s “name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.”—Revelation 14:1, 3.

Could “the Lamb” be the same as “his Father”? Clearly not. In the Bible they are distinct. They even have different names.

Name of the Lamb and of the Father

As we have just seen, the name given to God’s Son, the Lamb, is Jesus. (Luke 1:30-32) What about his Father’s name? It appears in the Bible thousands of times. For example, Psalm 83:18 says: “You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” Sadly, God’s name, Jehovah, has been replaced in many Bible translations by the terms “LORD” and “GOD,” often spelled in all capital letters. The capitals are supposed to distinguish Jehovah from others called gods or lords.* Yet, in many Bible translations, the Divine Name has been restored to its rightful place.

The English-language American Standard Version (1901) is a notable example of a Bible translation that has restored God’s name, Jehovah, to its rightful place. Its preface observes: “The American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries.”

EGYPT

Triad of Horus, Osiris, and Isis, second millennium B.C.E.

PALMYRA, SYRIA

Triad of moon god, Lord of Heavens, and sun god, c. first century C.E.

INDIA

Triune Hindu godhead, c. seventh century C.E.

NORWAY

Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), c. 13th century C.E.

The Trinity—Whose Teaching?

What, then, about the teaching that Jehovah and Jesus are, in effect, the same God, as the Trinity doctrine proclaims? In its issue of April-June 1999, The Living Pulpit magazine defined the Trinity this way: “There is one God and Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and one Holy Spirit, three ‘persons’ . . . who are the same or one in essence . . . ; three persons equally God, possessing the same natural properties, yet really distinct, known by their personal characteristics.”#

Where did this complex Trinity teaching originate? The Christian Century, in its May 20-27, 1998, issue, quotes a pastor who acknowledges that the Trinity is “a teaching of the church rather than a teaching of Jesus.” Even though the Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus, is it consistent with what he taught?

The Father—Superior to the Son

Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.” Our heavenly Father, whose name is Jehovah, is described in the Bible as being superior to his Son. For example, Jehovah is “from everlasting to everlasting.” But the Bible says that Jesus is “the firstborn of every creature.” That Jehovah is greater than Jesus, Jesus himself taught when he said: “My Father is greater than I.” (Matthew 6:9; Psalm 90:1, 2; Colossians 1:15; John 14:28, King James Version) Yet, the Trinity doctrine holds that the Father and the Son are “equally God.”

The Father’s superiority over the Son, as well as the fact that the Father is a separate person, is highlighted also in the prayers of Jesus, such as the one before his execution: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup [that is, an ignominious death] from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If God and Jesus are “one in essence,” as the Trinity doctrine says, how could Jesus’ will, or wish, seem different from that of his Father?—Hebrews 5:7, 8; 9:24.

Furthermore, if Jehovah and Jesus were the same, how could one of them be aware of things of which the other was not? Jesus, for instance, said regarding the time of the world’s judgment: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”—Mark 13:32.

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it will be interesting going foward to know the ages of the posters on this thread to align that with their posts

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Apparently, u need Christ cos u're just so pathetic now.

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Sir Olabowale,i am quite sure Lysaa can't give you a reasonable answers to your question above.JUST LEAVE HER ALONE,SHE HAS BEEN BRAINWASHED.

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@Sleek29: If Jesus was the (word) of God, then it means that God cant be audible without Jesus? When Jesus died, according to you, God of the Bible Word must have died, too. Did the Angels hear His command as long as His word remained dead? Were there any activities of Commands during the time His word died?

Finally, was God capable of Independent action without Jesus, and be successful at it? Was Jesus capable of of Independent action without God and be successful at it? Between the two who worshipped or cry out, begging the other? Or neither did? Or both did to the other?

@lysaa: If it is too deep for human mind why give it to humans? How did you get, since you are obviously a human? How can you eplain the mystery ehind it? Is there any logic at all, since the Bible says God is not the Author of Confusion? Normally, uman being should behave humanly. Why would God behave humanly, instead of Godly?

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Nonsense, read luke 22:42 jesus prayed to God meaning all dependan to God

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Jesus does NOT NEED to be aware of His Divinity - just as the fishes do not need to be aware of the ocean. In the word of the Oriental Masters, Jesus and God are 'Not One. Not Two'

I have posted this 'parable' before for us all to reflect upon =>

Disciple : “How does one seek union with God?”

Master : “The harder you seek, the more distance you create between Him and you.

Disciple: So what does one do about the distance?”

Master : “Understand that it isn̓t there.”

Disciple : “Does that mean that God and I are one?”

Master : “Not one. Not two.”

Disciple : “How is that possible?”

Master : “The sun and its light, the ocean and the wave, the singer and his song—not one. Not two.

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Am a pastor, deluded fella

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Not that he was GOD,but he still is and that he will remain.

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Will you go and read your koran and stop talking about things you have no understanding of?

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Afix, their god was slapped, beaten and spat on, infact strip Unclad check mathew 26:67

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Evidently you are one of those who read the bible upside down nd force what is not in it into it.

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ABUZOLA or what even your name is, please and please we just do not want u here.

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which means that OLAOLUFRED is god--------------------------------funny.please i am a novist,so i want u to do justice to the similarities and differences between the story of ADAM and JESUS origin.I BEG I WANT KNOW

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1 IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.(A)

   2 He was present originally with God.

   3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

   4 In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.

   5 And the Light shines on in the darkness, f[b]or the darkness has never overpowered it [put it out or absorbed it or appropriated it, and is unreceptive to it]. you'll try but the fact still stands that He is Lord

   

   14 And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth

Understanding Jesus is to big for the greatest minds on earth to comprehend, only those with God's Spirit living inside of them have that privilege of understanding it, the arguments will continue, t[b]he truth is that without the Spirit of God in you, you can't understand God.[/b].

you all are not different from Nicodemus in the bible who didn't understand what it meant to be born again and Timothy who wanted a physical proof before he believed.

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Not to worry, u don't even believe in Adam that's a living soul not to say Jesus Christ- a quickening Spirit.

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Sorry for being a pedant. Did you mean inductive reasoning? [b]Deductive reasioning [/b]is as secure and watertight a way of reasoning as they come.

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YET TO BE CONVINCE!.all what you said is base on deductive reasoning.NOW i will want you to give me the details of how ADAM came into existence,and then JESUS and then bring out similarities and differences from the story of their origin

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Its not chemistry that u try to understand with ur head. Believing is with the heart and not the mind.

The case here is the one of revelation, where a light is shone on ur heart and u just know. . u need not it go thru the scientific test to be proven, its just inside. Too big for the mind to fathom yet right enough to stay inside and change ur reasonings. Spiritual things are beyond the grasp of the natural man cos all he sees with his physical eyes is all he thinks there is. But one thing is sure, Life is Spiritual.

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There are some certain statement that the christians claims that it is true base on hypothesis.HOW DO YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT OLAOLUFRED IS god from his statement above.How do you expect a man born from the womb of a woman to posses the attribute of ALMIGHTY GOD?.Is this not foolishness on my part if i accept that hypothesis?.

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u make me believe u haven't come across a bible let alone know whats in it,

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Jesus NEVER for once claimed to be God in the bible neither was he ever described as God there. It is this overzealous peeps who assume they are "christians" that keep describing him as God. He is the son of God and he was sent by his father for the salvation of manking including yours huxley.

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You are funny, so goat bears goat and god bears god.WHAT AN AMAZING LOGICAL REASONING

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Then those that are evil in deeds are born by satan.YOU WILL BE A GOOD POEM WRITER-------------ridiculous

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I know that man's levels of understanding varies.

However, the truth may be disputed, but can not be erased.

A goat bears goat

A dog bears dog

A cow bears cow

A Man bears Man

No Dog has ever bear a cow

Neither has any goat bear a Man.

You always carries the identity of he who bear you.

If Jesus said, "He is God". He has spoken the truth.

If i said, "I am a Nigerian" that is a truth.

You may dispute it, but i know who i am despite your dissagreement.

Truth remains no matter how many proof brought forward to disprove it.

JESUS IS LORD.

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Jagunlabi, i appreciate that you understand so fast that Jesus is God.

I repeat, if any man is born of God,he will obey God,

If you are born again, you are born into God's light.

If you are in God's light, you will be like God.

If you are like God in the spirit, Then you are God.

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Compiled by Abuzola

jesus was sent and did not come on his accord but God sent him

John 8:42

'jesus said to them,'if God were your father you would love me, for i proceeded and came forth from God. I came not of my own accord but he sent me'

if jesus was sent then he can never be equal to God, see this

john 13:16

Truly, truly, i say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him'

Jesus is not equal to an atom of God, here is what jesus told the people.

John 5:37-38

And the father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never  seen'

Quran 2:39

Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelation/signs, such are the dwellers of the fire. They shall abide therein forever'

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amazing!, Olaolufred,You are indeed a comedian

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You are god ? Now i know why christians are gullible

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He is God.

because he did only what his father commanded him to.

He was God himself revealed in human form.

Human understanding can't comprehend this.

But the truth is, Jesus and God are one and the same.

Let me also tell you that "I am god"

This is because God is my father.

In a Nutshell, Jesus is God.

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He never claim to be God, he was a mere human like you and me, ate, drank, excrete, powerless that result to him been humiliated by the pharisees and on the cross

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