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When Did The Apostles Become Born Again?

When Did The Disciples (Peter, James, John And The Rest) Become Born-again?

Was it when Jesus called them, when he died, when he rose or when the Holy Spirit came on penticost? Or were they ever born again?

It is my desire that this topic will lead to better understanding of who we are as New Creations in Christ

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^^^Hmmm let me guess. . .he's reading up some lengthy article to copy and paste here for us or . . .mmm he might just come around swinging his 'false prophet' axe, showing links  containing lies and false accusations against God's annointed.

well, here he comes . . . .

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@ OLAADEGBU

Please l am yet to get a response from you as regards you thoughts about my posts responding to the wonderful reference you sited from John 5:24. Please find ti mn e to reply. Thank you

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Not at all. That should rather be your own fear. The truth is gaining ground daily. We are raising sons to glory.

It's on a promissory note. He has written a will. This car is yours , this house is yours . But the man has to die first before you can lay hold on the house.

Hebrews 9:16-18

16 For where there is a [last] will and testament involved, the death of the one who made it must be established, 17 For a will and testament is valid and takes effect only at death, since it has no force or legal power as long as the one who made it is alive. 18 So even the [old] first covenant (God's will) was not inaugurated and ratified and put in force without the shedding of blood.

Jesus didn't function in the new testament. The salvation package is in the new testament. Which was ratified by his blood. The lamb of God didnt take away sin by preaching. He took away Sin by his death.

Why was he praying for them to be one in him? .  He has to come into us. He wasnt in them yet. The life is in christ. When he comes into a person. He supplants the old life. Being born again is not about following religious dogma but having a new recreated spirit.The holy spirit has to bring Jesus into a man because the life is in christ.

1 John 5:11-12

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

The apostles didn't believe Jesus would rise from the dead. They believed he came from God, he had the teaching of life.but the key thing about the life is his death. They didn't have faith in his death.

Romans 10:9

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

He didn't just come to preach, he came to die. That is where life begins for the church .

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Man was only reconciled through his death. Not through his preaching.

They were his disciples. They stuck with him despite all the false accusation. They believed he came from God and saviour of israel. They served with him.But remember he had over 120 disciples. Not just the twelve. Why would he get only 12 born again ? What about the 70 he sent out.the twelve only were closer to him . And among them he still had 3 that seem to be inner caucus members. That doesn't have anything  to do with salvation. It's a relationship thing .God is not a respecter of men. There's no preference. This goes for the rest of your post.

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Salvation Before the Cross

by Steve Fazekas

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May be l should have added this because l feel it would help to make things more clearer

Hebrews 9:20 ". . . This is the BLOOD OF THE TESTAMENT which God hath enjoined unto you"

Where was "the blood" spilled ?

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Hebrews 9:15- "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth"

Please read and understand

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Did the Apostles have eternal life before the Cross?

Jesus said,

"Verily, verily, I say to you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death to life". (John 5:24).

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If we have to concentrate on the issue of discurse, then i think the Apostles got born again on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:2

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

KJV

put in mind that the coming of the Holy Spirit gave birth to the church, for this is the period of the church which is the dispensation of the Holy ghost.

Now when a man gets born again he or she is baptise into the body of Christ, this was exactly what happened to the Apostles, in this verse (Act 2:2) the bible says the Spirit of God filled the the entire room  and the Apostles were inside the room, so what then is baptism, its from a Greek word baptizo which means to be ccompletely immense into something, that's to say you are totally inside, this was the experience of the Apostles, they got born again when they were ccompletely immense into the body of Christ ,let me quickly ask this question, when the spirit of God filled the room (overshadow), were the Apostles inside the spirit of God or the Spirit of God was inside them, the truth is the were inside the Holy Spirit, that incubation gave birth to the church.

Remember they had another experience that same day in verse 3-4

Acts 2:2

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

KJV

Acts 2:3-4

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

KJV

that's the evidence of speaking in tongues

what i explained in verse 2 is significant to water baptism which is the outward demonstration of what you do in your place of confessing Jesus as your Lord and saviour, which is to say you are iidentifying with his death and Resurrection, so when you are deept into the water it signifies His death an beburialnd when you are brought out of the water, it signifies His Resurrection

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Are you scare that you might be losing your disciples?  Here are some answers from past post that you either glossed over or did not see.

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Disciples , or What do you mean? I suppose you knew all these or are you pulling someone's leg?

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^^^^ hahaha hmmmm l can smell frustration in the voice of the writer above hahaha you sound like the emblem of a failed test. Sorry kiddy kiddy l wish you the best on your pathetic course hahaha

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^^^ Okada-man:

You & your spare-parts brother from the same father (oyaks AKA junior tb joshua AKA vanity) can keep deluding yourselves laughing - it shows the holes in your head. Soon all will be made open to all and you will slink away like your father satan has always done. You only keep showing that your only purpose is support for the head of your team here and that you have no mind or personal thought process. So I'm not much bothered by your asinine outburst - low intellect will always manifest.

@Ndipe:

Thank you for your observation. They earn salaries from the fraud they sell and thus dare not counter such at risk of going hungry. The okada driver is especially bad - lazy, myopic, perverted people who think Religion is a means to personal wealth.

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Back to topic. When did the apostles get born again.

Answer: when Jesus resurrected and breathed upon them giving them authority to forgive sin.

John 20:20-23

20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them [his] hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

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He really did say that? I was just shocked to see a picture of a pastor quoting koranic messages along the effigy of Jesus Christ.

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Replying jo is like wasting one's time. The same who claimed to know scriptures is the same Jo who said it is wrong to pray through Jesus. And when rebuked and corrected left the thread in shame, even his co proponent, newmi could not disagree with his mentor(oyaks) in public when subjected to the strictest proof by Enigma.

Who knows how many tens of thousands this statement (it is wrong to pray through Jesus) has led astray?

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Heretics praying for other people's "doctrinal amendment"! What will we not see?

Anyway, our Ọga talk am say they will go long distances to make a proselyte and turn him into twice the child of hell as themselves. 'Nuff said!

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What Sinners need is a brand new life and nature dude. The new life supplants the old.

Keep twisting my posts,shey it makes you feel good. You ought to rather humble yourself to admit your mistakes. No man could be born again without the shedding of the blood of Jesus we became reconciled to God through his death.

Romans 6:5-6

5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin –

I don't want to believe this error of yours is what your pastor teaches. I have given many references that you need to humble yourself to study.

I thank God for the doctrinal amendment the holyghost has done in you guys so far. I don't need to argue much . We pray, he knocks out everything that is not of him. Plus your manipulative ,carnal and judgemental spirit which people like you often display .

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Ask your friend how many years ago that picture was taken. Maybe 20 years ago. Spirituality is not it the outward pretence. It is the devil that dwells on a man's past. Does tb Joshua still believe that jehovah is Allah till now? . Knowledge increase everyday . How can a man be digging a past that God has forgotten? We still have many christian today that still believe God is Allah. I thought so too until i read a book ." Who is this Allah?".

Because a man made an inscription on the wall many years ago, we won't let him rest? Is the inscritption still there? This action is typical of these religious people. Even when God forgives a man of an error , a religious man will not let go. How can a spiritual chritian be digging an old picture ? I hope he won't dig up in people commit in their childhood days?

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I don't think these guys you are referring to know the gravity of what is implied in that picture because if they know any better they wouldn't be sweeping this doctrine of satan under the carpet.  For them to be claiming that the qur'anic Allah and the RCC crucifix is the God that they are worshipping goes a long way in understanding why these people talk they way they talk.

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I challenge you to show us where I first personally attacked you or your church.  If I attacked anything at all it will be the heretical teachings that are spread from the pit of hell.   

What I do is to throw a stick into a pack of wolves, it is the ones who yelps that got hit.  If you got hit then know that it is time for you to consider your ways and repent.

What you call "mistakes" are fundamental issues that even young converts should now. Can you point out where he corrected these doctrinal "mistakes" considering the many souls that have ended up in hell as a result of these doctrines?

 

If I attack your errors of salvation that says sinners don't need to repent, that Christ's apostles weren't saved, that you know better than the apostles, or even Jesus Christ, that Jesus needed to be born again you should not think that I am attacking your person, if you really want to save yourself and others who listen to your errors you will examine your doctrines to see whether they are from the pit of hell.

Let me get personal here and I will be starting with my church.  I met a taxi man in London that I shared the gospel with.  He narrated to me how he used to be a zonal leader in my church in Nigeria but was disciplined for having an affair with one of the sisters.  He was relieved of his duties in the church and was mandated to be sitting at the front row in the church during every sermon.  He could not handle the humiliation and then promptly left the country for the U.K with the sister whom he eventually married.  He went from one church to the other occupying himself playing musical instruments until he ended up at the CCC.  Immediately they made him a leader of some sorts and he even told me that they were having evangelical outreaches.  He tried to convince me that he was doing the work of God there and that he needed not to be restored.  Some years later I saw him in one of the Christian television programmes praying and when I met him afterwards he told me that he had now been truly restored back to the Lord and that he has now started his own pentecostal church.  He told me how he got ordained in the RCCG and went to a bible college in the U.S of A.  I asked him why he left the CCC.  He retorted that his eyes became clear and he began to smell the coffee when his wife got impregnated by a member of the choir (the drummer boy), that was the time he began to seek the face of the Lord in genuine repentance and got restored.  Why am I relating this story?  The man in his backslidden state knew the doctrines of the Bible and he used this to bring his parish up to date scripturally, they were even going on evangelical missions, but that did not open his eyes to the lies of the devil nor did it change to church that he tried to cosmetically decorate.  This man was still maintaining that he was doctrinally sound until the scales fell off his eyes.  The fact that you can be saying that TBJ is gifted with healing and prophecy and giving excuses for his teachings tells me that you are birds of the same feather and it is my prayer that the Lord who delivered this man in my story will deliver all of you who are sincere but sincerely wrong.     

When your partner in ministry corrects those doctrinal "mistakes" that is leading and has led many to their eternal damnation then we will be able to say that he has received "help from enlightened people."  Do you think that the devil who tempted the Lord Jesus Christ does not know scriptures?  He knows it much than you but he has always succeeded in twisting them  suit his own diabolical lies that are from the pit of hell.

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This is my first time of seeing a picture of TB Joshua aligning Christianity (the 'effigy' of Jesus Christ on the cross) along with a quranic inscription that proclaims the deity of Allah? Quite shocking. Jojogabe, is that where you worship?

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^^

Submission to Christ, not to a vain bleached hair-dresser swivel-hipped fraudster

Trust in God, not endless bleating about "dominion" whist manipulating the poor to eat

A life of discipline, not noisy lies and postulations whist indulging in wanton sin

Meanwhile, Azi-baby and mab-cobra are goodluck's cousins according to "pastor" Jo - what of you? I'm sure you are Clifford Orji's twin

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I'm not the one that started getting personal,But you. You keep labelling us as a sect.

It is not the first time you do these attacks.

Tb joshua may have made his mistakes in the past doctrinally . Many churches have, just as you are making your own mistake with apostolic salvation . The fact that God calls a man doesn't mean he will automatically know scriptures . You must study to know or be taught to know. Many  Ministers today still make mistakes and will still make mistakes if they dont study. Tb joshua was gifted with healing and prophecy. Most prophets are not teachers neither scholars . If a man build ministry on gifts only , he will enter error.  You yourself gave a link of ministers that couldn't define salvation properly. Tb Joshua needed good people to help him straightens things out. Not for them to look for his destruction.  Anybody can make a mistake. But God sees a man's heart. Since He invited pastor chris and they met, things around him began to change. Doctrinally and otherwise . Thats what the bible wants us to do.

Redeem church was once a White garment church , but the founder who was gifted also in healings and prophecy received help from more enlightened people. Like pastor adeboye and others They left the old testament doctrine. And move to perfection.

Galatians 6:1

1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

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Who is the hypocrite here?  Was it not you that started getting personal mentioning my church and accusing us of being hypocritical?  What has that got to do with the subject at hand?  And you are now accusing me and my church of being hypocritical and busybodies in other men's matters.  The link you referred to is another example of your hypocrisy, the fact that a member who was alleged to be a "pastor" in deeper Life engaged in the works of darkness does not mean that I or the church approves of it, what we are addressing here are the fundamental teachings being taught and this is what will determine what you believe.  You implied that we are a sect and I responded by posting a link that shows you how your "church" is associated with a sect that believes that Islam and Christianity are one and the same as they quoted some qur'anic verses on their posters.  So, if you are looking for a sect you should be able to recognise one when you see one, or is your "church" not associated with them?  That is not other men's matters it is called exposing and reproving the work of darkness, it's called exposing the unfruitful work of darkness as you can see in the cartoon below.

Once again look at the link below and tell me whether you are not birds of the same feathers.

http://connect.in.com/tb-joshua/images-joshua-du-nigria-infosectes-1-820031003074.html

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/tbjoshua.html

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^^^^

Another attempt to change the topic,since you're stuck in error.

1 Peter 4:15

15 But let none of you suffer as . .  busybody in other men's matters.

Well, Since Satan has given you GBEBOORUN in other people's matter.  This link might interest your hypocrisy for your GBEBOORUN ministry

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-620124.0.html

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The sect that will identify and associate itself with this sect in the link below is what we should be careful about.  Show me your friend and I will tell you who you are. 

http://connect.in.com/tb-joshua/images-joshua-du-nigria-infosectes-1-820031003074.html

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/tbjoshua.html

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is daily manna now your bible?

The issue is not about Jesus winning soulsNIn his earthly ministry, he reconciled man to God by his death dear. He must get to the cross first.

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

if men could be born again before jesus died to reconcile man to God, what is the necesity of the shedding of his blood?. what do you understand by BORN again in the first place.  any sect that will teach that a man can be born again without the blood of jesus christ is a sect we should be careful about.

John 6:51

. . .and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

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This article has been reposted here for those who find it difficult to believe that  Jesus needed to be born again and that He didn't win souls during His earthly ministry. I have also discovered that these sects don't even believe that sinners need to repent from their sins and they believe that once saved they are forever saved. Happy reading.

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@ Mabel,

Truth is not simple at all for the bom boi

Check this out

2 Corinthians 5:21

21 For our sake He made Christ[ virtually] to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become[ a endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of] the righteousness of God[ what we ought to be, approved and acceptable and in right relationship with Him, by His goodness].

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@newmi and Mabel

When foundational doctrine is faulty ,it will affect the entire structure. I can understand why some have issues with truth

John 6:51

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

When did he give his flesh for the life  of the world? On the cross of course. How on earth will someone partake of the new life without the cross.

Romans 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

What was the obedience of christ ? The cross. The bible was clear that it was his obedience to death on the cross that brought life. A testament it's only a document until the death of the testator . The WILL Jesus "wrote" could only be of effect after his death. He made promises to the apostles but he had to die first for it to be of effect.

Hebrews 9:16-18

16 In order for a will to take effect, it must be shown that the one who made it has died. 17 A will is used only after a person is dead because it goes into effect only when a person dies. 18 That is why even the first promise was made with blood.

If any man must mature as a christian , he should start studying Pauline epistles.

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Romans 1:4

"And declared[ to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"

Jesus was announced the Son of God BY THE RESSURECTION FROM THE DEAD and he had to die for to ressurection so what is matter

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@Nuclearboy,

so you don't know this simple truth

Satan had the power of death until Jesus took it from him after He died

Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

(KJV)

Re 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

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There's a number of lies above

[1] Satan still had the power of death ?? ?? ?? Well, according to Jesus, satan had lost - "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning! ,  "I saw Satan fall like a lightning-flash out of Heaven," Luke 10:18 -- Jesus was still HERE when that happened. Or was He lying?

[2] Jesus died physically. He NEVER died Spiritually. Spirits (even sinful ones) DO NOT DIE! And Jesus did not die Spiritually which is why the Bible says - "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, ,  ascension back to heaven, not only did He overcome sin, He took it captive" Eph 4:8. He remained FULLY "Lord" even in death and thus conquered in the lower realms. All men die but none was able to conquer death because they were dead DEAD!! But Jesus conquered because He was "dead" ALIVE. Or could dead people conquer?

[3] Jesus took Sin upon Himself - He did NOT become Sin!

[4] When was paradise "moved" to heaven. Heaven is for the Justified. When did "justification" take place without judgment or did judgment take place yet without the whole world knowing aside of you?

[5] Where is the source of your information that anyone now goes direct to heaven?

Lies, false doctrines, demonic-ally inspired words

And if you don't want serious trouble, face the topic and points above (OR avoid them since you have nothing to say). But no insults or self-righteousness plus tell that bingo okada-man to keep off.

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¶ For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.

2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. {penny: the Roman penny is the eighth part of an ounce, which after five shillings the ounce is seven pence halfpenny; about fourteen cen

3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.

5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.

6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.

8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. {have wrought, : or, have continued one hour only}

13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14 Take that that is thine , and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

(KJV)

Salvation is free for all. There are no special persons or hierachy.

To recieve salvation, everyone, no matter who you are has to go through the same process

Even the apostles were not excluded from this

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This is a simple matter

If a man writes a will, the will does not come into effect untill after the death of the man

It's the same thing here, the apostles could not get born again until after the death of Jesus

Even the bible states Jesus was the first begotten of the dead

Re 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

(KJV)

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WHEN DID THE APOSTLE GET BORNAGAIN

that is the topic if there remaineth nothing more to be said then let us initiate a new topic rather than deviate the topic

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@OLAADEBGU

Try do a study on the new creation . The things under the old testament were shadows of the new. No old testament sain went to heaven except Elijah and Enoch . Every other person went to paradise which was beneath in hell . Because Satan still had the power of death.

Jesus was the first person to come out of spiritual death. He had to identify with man in man's spiritual state. He became sin. Which is spiritual death and separation from God.

In his earthly ministry. He preached about the kingdom at hand . The apostles and every other person only got saved when Jesus was glorified.

His blood brought life to us. If we could have life without the death of Jesus . Is there any point for his death. This is an insult to his blood. His life had to be poured out for us to be saved.

The old testament folks only got to heaven when Jesus resurrected with them. Pls read mattew 27

Matthew 27:52-53

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

After this incidence paradise was moved to heaven. When a chritian dies now ,he goes to heaven.

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When did the apostles get bornagian

When did the apostles get bornagian

When did the apostles get bornagian

When did the apostles get bornagian

When did the apostles get bornagian

When did the apostles get bornagian

When did the apostles get bornagian

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Lay aside all these rubbish . Let's not derail the topic. Gossip and acusation of other Christians doesn't depict the fruit of the spirit. outward false humility is not Christianity. Your spirituality is not in this holier than thou attitude. Outward false piety with malice,junk,on the inside.

The fruit of the spirit is "LOVE" one of the signs of spirituality is the love for the brethren. You don't engage in gossip about your brethren, if any falls, go to him and restore . There is no perfect church.

All these "my church is better than others" is childish . There is no perfect church. People are people everywhere. A thread came up about a deeper life pastor despoiling a child , did you talk? we hear such cases of outward piety but inward dirty. But I am not in the habit of carrying such story. They are still my brethren even if we are not in the same ministry. We cant be taking communion with the blood of jesus and join the world in speaking evil of one another.So let's stop this child's play. When did apostles get born again?

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^^ you just described Jo and his master perfectly.

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These are the last days that Jesus and His apostles warned us about and what we see unfold before our very eyes is what has been predicted in ages past.  Jesus warned us that:

"Not everyone that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And I will profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." -- Matthew 7:21-23 (The Evidence Bible).

As you can see, a lot of professing Christians are fulfilling this prophecy.  They call Jesus "Lord" but they practice iniquity.  They profess faith in Jesus, but have no regard for the divine Law.  They tell  "white lies," take things that belong to others, have eyes full of adultery but they will say that the Moral Law is for the Jews that are under the law.  May God have mercy on us.

It was Jude that said:

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write to you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered to the saints.  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. -- Jude 3-4 (The Evidence Bible)

We should not lose sight of the mandate of the Lord Jesus Christ which is to contend earnestly for the faith.  The battle we find ourselves in is for the salvation of lost sinners.  False converts have crept in unawares and sit among us.  They think that salvation and sin are compatible.  They are actually workers of iniquity. 

It was Dr. Leighton Ford who said:

"When people inquire as to the relevance of our gospel, we must not be tricked into going on the defensive.  We must immediately take the offensive, for our Lord Himself has promised that the gates of hell shall not withstand the assaut of His Church."

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Romans 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Adams disobedience caused man to be spiritually separated from god, it took the obedience of Jesus to suffer death on the cross for all men to be saved

Knowing he had a right to choose what to do he still chose the cross.

It was not possible for anyone to be saved without this obedience being fulfilled

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^^^^

you and flattery, it's not a must to make a post. Knowledge is not common . But we should humble ourselves to learn.

I have given enough scriptures here to enlighten anyone who cares.

It is not possible to be saved without the shedding of the blood.

John 6:51

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

His body has to be broken, his blood has to be shed for the middle wall of partition to be broken. For us to be one with God, Jew or Gentiles. There's no secrete and special salvation for apostles only. Until Jesus said "it is finished " on the cross . His life was poured out for us to be saved. When the work of salvation wasn't finished no man could be saved.

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I'm building a whole new level of respect for Olaadegbu over his patience dealing with these people.

Joagbaje has said Jesus, his "supposed" Lord, his supposed "God" though sinless, was not perfect - please what is perfection? The Bible says "All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God". But that same Bible separates Jesus and tells us that He was sinless thus perfect and that it was this perfection of His that made Him a suitable sacrifice for the salvation of many.

But this "pastor" says "no, the Bible is wrong". How can someone discuss with such a person. Obviously this is not about what God's Word says but about what will profit him and his cabal of mischievous people.

@Olaadegbu: re the above you said:

He read them and understands. But it does not favor his scheme so he will keep pretending and trying to irritate/annoy you till you get angry then the rest of his pack of dogs will now come in and say "hey, see Olaadegbu fighting - he is not a christian". Ignore him. He "KNOWS" the truth. But it is a money matter for his true lord - the jeri curled millionaire business man.

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I have to keep repeating myself and referring you to the answers others have proffered in earlier posts because you refuse to read them. Here is the latest post that answered your question but would you read it?

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@OLAADEGBU

How can you say these questions are not relevant ?

There is no special salvation for the apostles. When it come to salvation, there is no preference. Same rule applies to everyone.

I answered the questions you ask me. I don't want to believe you're deliberately avoiding truth here. Jesus had to obey to bring salvation to all. His obedience is the death on the cross. Until that death was certified ,no one could be saved.

Hebrews 5:8-9

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

He suffered on the cross. And by that obedience , life flowed to all. From the disciples to the rest of the world

Romans 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

If it's possible to be saved without the blood, why did he have to die?

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^^^ Are you minding him? It is like an ostrich burying in it head in the sand in which case its backside is exposed as a ready target.

Again we have shown him all the below before but of course he claims to know better than Matthew's gospel!

Jesus' words in John 3:3

Jesus' words in Luke 13:28

Jesus' words Matthew 8:11*

*Note: Matthew uses "heaven" probably because of Jewish sensibilities about using the name of God  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_God

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The Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven means the same thing.  You have derailed this thread as much as it is.

In Matthew 4:17

"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"

In Matthew 12:28

"But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come to you"

The thing is that you don't even believe that sinners ought to repent neither do you believe that the kingdom of God came down during the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ.

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As I said earlier, you are the one moving the goalpost and evading the questions.  Who is talking about the salvation of the Gentiles?  This thread is about the salvation of the Apostles, so why ask questions that are not relevant when you cannot answer pertinent questions?

When the Scriptures said that Jesus learnt obedience it means what He knew by omniscience, He "learned" by experience, thus "being made perfect," not as God (for as God He was eternally perfect, by definition), but as man. (Defender's Bible notes).

In Hebrews 2:10 It says He was made perfect through suffering, and you may say how can the Holy God be "made perfect," the answer is that if He would also be a perfect man, He must learn obedience to the will of the Father, and true obedience can only be tested if it involves suffering.

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