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did God appear from nothing. or did something create God. answers please.

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Any being that can fit into your finite intelligence is not [/b]the [b]Infinite God. Mark my words.

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there's evidence to support to support macro-evolution. there's fossils of termites and insects that were as long as 6feet millions of years ago, now termites are tiny compared to humans. macro-evolution can be seen in ur brain size. why are people threatened by evolution??

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Don't try and say , you did bring up insults when it was mentioned that , "those that don't believe evolution lack understanding" (same thing as saying we cannot understand the noneexistent scientific and academic evidences for evolution. ). Therefore I decided to make my academic standing known so that anyone who likes to make a personal insult to me (for not supporting evolution) based on wrong assumption that creationist do not have sound scientific background, would at least think twice before doing so.

Well it doesn't really matter whether you insult me or not , you would not be the first evolutionist to insult a believer in God , based on intellectual prejudices.

Also I did not institute an argument based on popularity, i was just trying to mention the example of the scientist that believe in God as against those evolutionist who always imply that only those very silly people and non-scientist believe in creation. Since you have stated that I was the one who based the argument on popularity, I would be happy if you can point it out from any of my previous post where I did that, instead of accussing me again!

Hence I was simply trying to point ot that , in matters of science, , a court rulling is irrelevant, in the determination of what is actually scientifically true.

Some of the answers that you are giving are still based on "uncertainties", yet you expect people to dogmatic accept it as facts and reasons as to why evolution is true. Please come on,

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Carl's work tackles the very real problem of the evolution of antibiotic resistance by bacterial populations in hospitals. Antibiotics, such as penicillin, are drugs that kill or prevent the growth of bacteria. When antibiotics were first discovered, they seemed to represent a miracle cure for human diseases like pneumonia, typhoid, bubonic plague, and gonorrhea. However, almost immediately after the introduction of antibiotics, bacteria began to up the stakes — resistant strains of bacteria soon evolved that could grow even in the presence of a particular antibiotic, rendering our drugs ineffective in battling these resistant infections.

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Resisting our drugs

Carl's work tackles the very real problem of the evolution of antibiotic resistance by bacterial populations in hospitals. Antibiotics, such as penicillin, are drugs that kill or prevent the growth of bacteria. When antibiotics were first discovered, they seemed to represent a miracle cure for human diseases like pneumonia, typhoid, bubonic plague, and gonorrhea. However, almost immediately after the introduction of antibiotics, bacteria began to up the stakes — resistant strains of bacteria soon evolved that could grow even in the presence of a particular antibiotic, rendering our drugs ineffective in battling these resistant infections.

Amount of Enterococcus bacteria in U.S. hospital intensive care resistant to the antibiotic Vancomycin

bacteria and antibiotics

The problem is much like running on a treadmill — medical researchers must sweat just to stay in the same place in their race against the bacteria. Drug companies develop and introduce a new antibiotic, only to see the evolution of resistant bacterial strains within a few years. This necessitates the development of yet another antibiotic, which, in turn, becomes useless in the face of newly evolved resistant bacteria.

The cycle of drug development and the evolution of resistance is a costly one, both in terms of mortality and economics. Over one million resistant infections are acquired each year in U.S. hospitals at an estimated financial cost of 4-5 billion dollars (not to mention increased mortality)! And because they are harder to treat than susceptible infections, antibiotic resistant infections cause more days of hospitalization and missed work. Various sources estimate that in the U.S., we experience 400,000 additional days of diarrhea due to bacterial infections resistant to a single antibiotic alone and more than 8000 additional days of hospitalization due to resistant salmonella strains.

How exactly does antibiotic resistance evolve? How have such small and simple organisms managed to repeatedly outpace our drugs? The process is quite simply evolution by natural selection. Imagine a population of bacteria infecting a patient in a hospital. The patient is treated with an antibiotic. The drug kills most of the bacteria but there are a few individual bacteria that happen to carry a gene that allows them to survive the onslaught of antibiotic. These survivors reproduce, passing on the gene for resistance to their offspring, and soon the patient is populated by an antibiotic resistant infection — one that not only affects the original patient but that can also be passed on to other patients in the hospital.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/_0_0/bergstrom_03

who should we believe, a biologists from university of california. now that we have show proof, why don't theists show some proof of God existence or characteristics.

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If you want to have a conversation with him, you have to believe first

no i'm asking folks like u who have had a conversation with God, how was the conversation. was God touching u, whispering in ur head. how did u recognize the voice of God from an hallucination??

I would like to know the historians and the basis of their claims.

How do we confirm that the big bang happened? do u have video, tapes, writings?

no i asked u for the confirmation, stop dodging it. the coffin of jesus claimed to have been found was determined to be a hoax, christianity today has been determined to be a combination of Greek,roman and Egyptian pagan religions. as per the big bang, there are evidence deep in the earth's crater that show a massive collision between planetary bodies happens millions of years ago. the big band is a theory still being modified the more we understand the universe.

We cannot all be arguing so heatedly about God unless He truly exists.

we actually can arguing about something that doesn't exist. mathematics argue about imaginary numbers and set theory everyday. does that mean the square root of -1 is a real number??

from what i understand it shows that u are not sure whether matter existed.

we wouldn't be having this debate if we were SURE. the truth is science is looking for a credible explanation but the universe is so vast to study. ur religion gives an ASSUMPTION that God created the universe. so who created God and how did God come into existence.

Q. from what did matter and energy come from?

matter and energy didn't come from anywhere if they have had ALWAYS existed.

then who were the witness when according to evolution theory, the earth formed out of disk of gas and dust.?

evolution theory has nothing to do with creation. evolution theory deals with how living things transform and not how living things were created. go ask physicists about creation, while the biologists deal with evolution. u guys seem to have little clue about what u talk about

where they there when it was formed or it was just assumed to be??

the earth was formed from a collision and the reaction of matter. how exactly, we don't know. there's evidence in the earths geography to support this. is there evidence that some boogie man created the earth in 7days??

Galileo was isolated because his science did not tally with the popular opinion

galileo was isolated by the catholic church not his fellow scientists. again religion lags behind science.

Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.

my question is did God say those exact words to u?? did he whisper it to ur ear or where u reading a bible that written by fellow humans and is known to have many errors. the bible says keeping slaves is fine as long as u treat them decently. in other words, slavery is cool then right??

In fact, God created matter. He created the universe

it's not a fact, if there's no evidence to back such statement. an ifa priest could claim his oduduwa theory as fact then right.??

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1. We know that fresh lava flows are ones the later go on to form new layers of forcks.

2. We already know the age of the fresh lava from the fact that they "are fresh"

3. We want to use the fact that we know the age of fresh lave flows to determine whether or not the dating methods used to date rocks are accurate or not.

4. If the dating methods used to date the fresh lave flow gives a different age, apart from the observed age of the fresh "rock", the it becomes easy to dismiss the accuracy of the dating methods.

5. Does it make sense that a dating methods fails to give the correct age for a rock materials made from fresh lava flow and yet evolution wants to assument that the same dating method would be able to give the correct age for fossils or layers or rocks in which fossils are found.

This becomes easy to see why it is difficult to believe the potassium - argon dating methods, since it messed up during the dating of fresh lava flow.

please can you kindly let me know:

1. Where they got the elements or materials to create the artificial organism. (did they create their own big band and big boom)

2. Did they use elements in the periodic table that have already existed to make the artificial organism or did they create their own entirely new , elemeents

3. Did they leave those materials to evolve on their own to become the artificial organism or did the scientist use their intelligence to create the artificial organism.

4. From what stage did they start with the artificial organism, since it is a well known fact that even ordinary proteins cannot be made by random chance from amino acids. So if the structure of the artificial organism did not occure by random chance how come it is being attributed to evolution or rather to a design.

This is not true because a human drug addict who starts with a cigarette a day, who then transforms into smokig a pack of cigarettes a day and then into smoking marijuana and then into cocaine. What that tells us is not that the drug addict has "evolved" rather it tells us that the drug addict has adapted to the presence of harmful materials that are either stimulating him or killing him. As such since you cannot say that the drug addict has evolved via the addition of extra  genetic information into their genetic information pool has increased as a result of "resistance to stimulation from ordinary cigarette". You also cannot say that the viruses and bacteria have evolved by adding genetic information into their genetic information pool, simply because they have also become "resistant to certain drugs".

I would thus be happy to see , whether a scientific report says that , a virus or bacterium's genetic information is increasing due, due to the development of resistance to drugs.

All that were are still seein evidence of is "lose of information" which is the destructive mutations that we are talking about,

it seems you are trying to use adaptation of an organism to his environment (variation without addition of self addition of genetic information by chance but with removal of genetic information) as an evidence for evolution.  That I breed two different types of dogs to produce does not mean that the new dog has evolved, instead it simply means that by using my own "intelligence", I have being able to manipulate the already existing genetic information in the two dogs to gring about another type of dog, not anothe type of cow, not another type of whale. The information into those dogs is there to produce a dog.

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hi kag

nice to hear from u. i can see ure still an evolutionist.

anyways @poster

something must have come from nothing, so asking what/ where God came from isnt  enough in your attempt to cast doubts on Gods existence.

And since people never get tired of these 'prove to me that God exists threads' may i add that i believe that it is scientifically impossible to prove that God exists. neither is it possible to disprove his existence, religion is faith based which is quite the opposite of the seeing is believing philosophy of science. if i wasnt a xtian i think i lld be agnostic. the truth is that we all have absolutely no idea how this world came to be. if i had all the answers i wouldnt have to believe!!! i believe in God i.e i can't prove He exists yet i believe! now how can i prove to someone esle something i can't prove to myself,  if i see a vision or hear God speaking to me or feel His comforting prescence psychologists will have field day explaining away what psycopathic problems im contending with.

Evolutionists have no idea how we came to be either. the whole theory is a mass of confused scientific mumbojumbo. too many loose ends, yet the sceintific community turns a blind eye to these loose ends because they are repelled by the idea of a God. Xtians also should stop trying to prove the existence of a God scientifially. xtianity is not a science. advocates of intelligent design had the right approach as far as im concerned though and from the little i know it is far more likely that the world was created by something or someone directly than the indirect hand of blind but intelligent darwinian chance

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I didn't need to, the links that, well, you provided but didn't read gave the answers.

What personal attacks? What discussion?

I'm happy for you. I don't remember talking about your academic intelligence etc. So, um, paranoid much?

Here you go: http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm#earth

That's right. However, it was the church that isolated him, and after most scientists and people accepted what the evidence was showing, it was still the Bible literalists that held on to the belief that the Earth is stationary.

I didn't say it did. You were the one that initiated an argument based on popularity.

Okay? What does any of that have to do with nything?

Exactly.

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You did not talk about polystrata fossil details.

You have also started making personal attacks instead of basing the discussion solely on the information at hand, By d way I have a first class degree in engineering and I am soon going to start a PhD program in Robust Control System, so look before you when trying to play the crap academic intelligence card and insult.

By the way who told you that a lot of scientist believe in evolution, give me a poll result data showing that, also a lot of people believed the sun was once going round the earth, it was later found to be false. Galileo was isolated because his science did not tally with the popular opinion.

Abeg popular opinion has nothing to do facts and figures. Also dat the supreme court declared something to illegal does not make it wrong. Racism was wrong and yet supported by law for a while. Communism was wrong and yet supported by law, Nazism was wrong and yet supportef by law.

Scientific facts do not need a court of law to justify whether or not they are true, (The fact would prove itself and stand firm in the face of opposition.)

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And the pratt train just keeps a-rolling only this time it's chosen to hurl a garbage of links with it. hurray!

Oh no, most everyone knows that there are a few scientists that don't accept evolution. However, the number of scientists that reject the theory of evoluton is relatively low, and lower still in those involved in biological science.

Project Steve is still ahead:

http://www.natcenscied.org/resources/articles/3541_project_steve_2_16_2003.asp

Check out the Steve-o-meter.

Untrue. I've addressed that in my previous posts.

Not really. However, even if Darwin was confused, modern scientists aren't confused on how the eye - including human eyes - may have evolved and evolved again and again.

See: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html

Nonsense. Most of the people that accept the theory of evolution are theists. Marx wasn't influenced by Darwin and neither was Stalin. Stalin's biological basis was Lysenkoism (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism)

Two examples:

Allopatric speciation in fruitflies: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_45

Speciation in African elephants: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/293/5534/1473

Leviathan and Behemoth weren't references to dragons. You've misinterpreted those verses.

It's possible, but highly unlikely.

Same place the legends of unicorns, fairies, mermaids and leprechauns came from.

That's not a dinosaur.

What I find interesting is that the most inocuous of drawings - which on close review indicates something other that what you suppose - is all the evidence you need that dinosaur were dragons and coexisted with humans, but scientific evidence is dismissed out of hand.

Not quite. It was assumed that organic matter couldn't survive fossilistion. that was the wrong assumption. That collagen was found in the bone of the t-rex is no indication of its age, nor does it change the dating of the fossil.

See also: http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21549748-948,00.html

Um, the mammoth was frozen!

Why? Why would the state of the mammoth and its inards change if it was completely frozen?

Wrong. See: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mammoths.html

I think it would be best if you read a few of the links you provided:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/yellowstone.html

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Polystrate_fossils_indicate_massive_sudden_deposition

Also, they don't indicate a worldwide flood, they indicate exactly what they state in the above.

Whale polystrata which you helpfully provide below: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/whale.html

It's vestigial because it's reduced in function. Not a cow nor a deer.

Seal's dating: reservoir effect: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_4.html

Snail's: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_3.html

potassium-argon dating and lava: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD013.html

Actually, no such thing has occured. And true to form, a great deal of your pratts still have nothing to do with evolution.

Furthermore, you do know that your "arguments" are based on misinformation and poor understanding, right?

I'm tired so I'm stopping now.

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Relationship between Communism, Darwism, Karl Marx , Stalin, Hitler and Evolution:

Stalin's Brutal Faith (http://www.icr.org/article/276/)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/chisholm.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Communism/10_planks.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/devilution.htm

http://www.icr.org/article/285/

The Ascent of Racism (http://www.icr.org/article/268/)

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Relationship between Communism, Darwism, Karl Marx , Stalin, Hitler and Evolution:

Stalin's Brutal Faith (http://www.icr.org/article/276/)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/chisholm.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Communism/10_planks.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/devilution.htm

http://www.icr.org/article/285/

The Ascent of Racism (http://www.icr.org/article/268/)

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First and foremost there is a propaganda being spread to make it look like scientists are the ones that believe in evolution and non-scientist are the ones

that believe in creation. That is entirely false, there are lot of scientist that are convinced that evolution is false.

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The lies of Charles Darwin

check this link to find out about he scientists that believe that evolution is false, Charles Darwin was propagating falsehood,

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2732

http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/

www.doctorsdoubtingdarwin.com

http://www.discovery.org/csc/

The list of those scientist against Darwinism is given here:

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=660

http://www.icr.org/pdf/research/RATE_ICC_Chaffin.pdf

Also there are a lot of scientific evidences that simply show that evolution is false.

so please don't try to use a smoke screen of saying evolution is science (it is not), evolution is just mere speculation based on the "prejudiced

interpretation of the individual", it is not supported by science.

Even Charles Darwin himself was confused about he impossibilty that the "Eye" could have evolved, check out "Charles Darwin comments on the human eye.

http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/darwineye.htm"

http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/chapter-06.html

http://www.discovery.org/articleFiles/PDFs/survivalOfTheFakest.pdf

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?id=118

The unfortunate thing is that since those that believe in evolution ultimately do not believe in God, it simply influences their world view and decisions.

which ultimately leads to sadness, evil actions and violence for which they are simply accountable only to themselves.

Check out about Stalin : http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=276

Check out about Karl Marx :

Like I have said random mutation can cause damage, but please can you tell me where random mutations can cause evolution of one animal to another (please

don't tell me it has happened millions of years ago, i am interested in repeatable evidence) . Check this weblink about the lies about mutation out:

http://www.pssiinternational.com/

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Ancient Dragons or Dinosaurs

Please let us understand that Dinosaurs where mentioned in the bible (Leviathan and Behemoth anyone). Also let us understand that the word Dinosaur is a

recent word, it is possible that Dinosaurs were called Dragons before,

Also were do you think the legends of Dragons in England came from , the legends of dragons in the Chinese culture.

Also ask yoursel how there are drawings of dinosuars in this particular ancient cambodian temple (http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-cambodia.htm), even

before the present day nonsense of evolution.

You can cross check for yourself occurences of dinosaurs in history, via ://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

Even the sumatrans had dinosaur pictures,

South American Nasca

Cree Indian art

Bambara peoples of Mali

A dragon was said to live in the wetlands near Rome

European reports of flying serpent living in Egypt persist through the 1600’s

Khmer civilization

Bushmanland, South Africa

A similar petroglyph (carved rock drawing) has been found in Arizona’s Havasupai Canyon (photo taken by Dr. DeLancy)

The January 2003 issue of National Geographic magazine presents an artifact described as a "cosmetic palette . . . from a cemetery of the first dynasties in

Manshaat Ezzathttp

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Blood in T Rex. Bone

Blood found in T.Rex bone simply shows that the bone could not have been millions of years old, simply because Science says that DNA does not survice for

more that 100000 years.

The wrong notion about fossilisation does not explain the existence of testable blood in the TRex simply because DNA cannot survive as long a millions of

years. Hence the bone simply cannot be millions of years.

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The Mammoth Conundrum

It is true that I might have wrongly stated that evolution says that mammoths were millions of years , nonetheless evolution still wants us to believe that

mammoths live many thousands of years, ago. Yet it becomes very difficult to comprehence how it was possible for an undigested food to be found in one of

the frozen mammoths.

The undigested food found in the Mammoth simply shows that:

1. The Mammoth died while eating

2. The Mammoth did not die for millions of years , or else the food would have rothed not be found at all.

More issues about how the mammoths fits with the bible and how the false view of evolution about mammoth is dicredited :

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/mammoth.html

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/part-2-polar-regions.html

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Polystrata Fossils

I am sorry that I said Stratafied fossils (i did't remember the name then), the correct name for such fossils is "Polystrata Fossils". This means fossils

that are found extending different strata of layers. They have been found between Sedimentary rock and coal. Their existence simply shows that those layers

simply cannot be millions of years as false stated by geologic evolution. An the geologic evolution (geologic column) is the one which is used to try and

date fossils,

http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/43/43_4/polystrate_fossils.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/yellowstone.html

How would explian that Whale skeleton was found standing upright through different layers that was supposed to be "millions" of years old, rather it simply

shows that the layers are not millions of years old as you want people to believe (cause evolution is based on baselles faith in the existence of things

which cannot be proven with science, ). Yet because evolution gives a reason to remove God from the equation people quickly want to believe it so that they

can continue living the same kind of self indulging lifestyle.

Look let us stop deceiving ourselves the presence of polystrata fossils and lack of transitional form of fossils, simply shows that there was a sudden

catastrophe (Noah's Flood) which buried all of this animals alive. Hence the position we are now finding most of them.

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Polystrate_fossils_indicate_massive_sudden_deposition

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Is it a Whale or no wait is it a Swimming Cow or a swimming Deer

Evolutionist say whales came from cows and/or deer, and that the small bone found in a whale is a vestigial organ. Well that is a lie is known that the

small bone found in the whale is used for sexual excapades in the whale, so that alone says it is not a vestigial organ as speculated by evolution.

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/manatee/sirenian_evolution.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/whale.html

http://www.trueorigin.org/ng_whales01.asp

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2004-03-11-wonderquest_x.htm

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Falacy of the Dating Methods

The so called dating methods used to deceive people into believing that fossils are millions of years old, simply show that those dating methods are not

correct.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/geology.asp#table1

Variosu examples are shown of when wrong results are obtained from the dating methods on which the millions of years of evolution is based .e.g.

Ficticious results obtained from Mollusk Shells

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/141/3581/634

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when they are used to test freshly killed seal,

or

Caborn dating methods have been giving bull poo dates, e.g. The dating of the shell of a snail (carbon dating methods have rated a snail shell at 2300

years old, yet it was known to have died only days before the examination),

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Living_snails_were_C14_dated_at_2,300_and_27,000_years_old

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/carbon_dating.asp

or

Potassium -Argon method is used to date/test fresh lava for which the age is certainly know

http://naturalselection.0catch.com/Files/radiometricdating.html

http://www.icr.org/article/353/

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=436

Ar-Ar dating assumes there is no excess argon? http://members.cox.net/ardipithecus/evol/lies/lie024.html

200 year old lava dated 2.96 billion years old? http://members.cox.net/ardipithecus/evol/lies/lie023.html

Fresh lava dated as 22 million years old. http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/hawaii.html

http://www.wasdarwinright.com/dating-f.htm

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i2/radiometric.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/dogma.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n1/radioactive-dating

http://www.icr.org/pdf/research/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf

http://www.icr.org/pdf/research/Helium_ICC_7-22-03.pdf

Look there is no need to keep hanging unto straws, about evolution. THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT ALL THE PREVIOUS SPECULATIONS OF EVOLUTION ARE BEING SHOT DOWN

ONE BY ONE TRUE SCIENCE. The so called stratification of layers as being shown to be able to form rapidly throw flow process,

http://www.icr.org/article/261/ , this in itself kills off the speculation of evolution that stratas formed over "millions" or "billions" of years.

The expected erosion that is supposed to be in the ocean assuming the earth was millions of years old is not found, so explain to me what that means in

simple english.

http://www.wasdarwinright.com/dating-f.htm

Does it not sound disingenious that instead of dating the rocks or layers in which fossils are found, rather sometimes tend to date the rocks by the

assumed age of the kind of fossil found in them, even though (the inaccurate) dating methods shows that the dates given to the fossils is completely

different from the dates of the layers or rocks in which they were found.

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Falsehood of the existence of Vestigial Organs

Vestigial organs being propagated by evolutionist is known to downright false or misguided ignorance,

http://www.uncommondescent.com/the-design-of-life/vestigial-organs-anyone-the-humble-appendix-begs-to-differ/

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Another issue for cosmological evolution

check out the following problem with evolution based view of cosmology:

http://www.icr.org/article/3472/

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More nonsense

Finally there are too many nonsense being peddled by evolutionist as if they were truths, which they are not. e.g. mutation, (I said that even though there

a destructive mutation, yet you have being unable to give me an example of when and how we have a beneficial mutation that would have turned a cow into a

whale)

http://www.icr.org/article/3466/

checkout this other links that will help you understand that you have been feed bullshit and dogma, which you have also decided to believe with out evidence,

because a person who calls himself (a scientist) claims that evolution is true. It is interesting to note that Darwin did not have the qualification to be

called a scientist, yet evolutionist try to vilify anyone that claims to use science to disprove evolution.

http://www.emjc3.com/evolution.htm

http://www.rodsgarden.50megs.com/evolution.htm

http://www.icr.org/article/1149/

http://exposingliesinevolution.blogspot.com/2007/06/dr-jacksons-rebuttal.html

http://www.discovery.org/csc/

You can also try and check the following sources cited by some sites in their response to the lies of evolution.

Gish, Duane. 1985 Evolution, The Challenge of the Fossil Record.

Creation-life Publishers. El Cajon, Ca.

Huse, Scott. 1983. The Collapse of Evolution. Baker Book House. Grand Rapids, Mich.

Morris, Henry.1977. The Scientific Case for Creation. Master Books.

San Diego, Ca.

Sunderland, Luther.1988. Darwin's Enigma. Master Books.; San Diego, Ca.

Weiss, Mark, and Alan Mann. 1985. Human Biology and Behavior: An Anthropological Perspective. Little, Brown and Company. Boston.

Willis, John.1993. Law Professor, San Diego City College. Personal

interview 3/15/93.

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In conclusion anyone who is interested in finding out the truth for themselves can kindly check the links above and other links from them.

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We cannot all be arguing so heatedly about God unless He truly exists.

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Acharaya S. is one well known example. There are others. Really, though, that wasn't what I said. I said: "there's no evidence to support that Jesus performed miracles or that he said all that was claimed he said." The syntax is all over the place, but I believe it's still understandable.

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Please let me know the historians who would disprove Christ.

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Why is there a sense of who God is in diverse ethnicities?

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How would you explain that fresh lava/rock from a volcanic activity was dated and yet gave a result as if it has existed foer thousands or millions of years.

what's ur source for this?? why would one need to date a lava rock if it had already been considered "fresh".  the rocks studied are usually the ones deep in the earth core or volcanic rocks decomposed for millions of years in the sahara. u seem to be making up scenarios and avoid the main question. how did God come into existence. why worship something u can't seem to explain.  this comes to my main point. religion is based on faith in the unknown, while science is based on proving and explaining the unknown.

Even without big bang (cosmis evolution) there would be no biologic evolution, and yet without the prior existence of matter/energy bigbang is not possible.

lots of theory states that matter and energy have always existed. matter reacted to form the first forms of life which were unicellular organisms. they then evolved into what we have today.

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Where did you get millions of years from? I suspect the food was undigested either because of the mammoths digestive process or because it got frozen before it could digest them; or even, a combination of both.

Fossilisation

Turkana boy for one says you're wrong. For another, cows didn't evolve into whales.

You'd have to be a lot more specific than that. I don't know what was being dated or what was used for the dating.

Um, what? I didn't get that. Not necessarily an indication on you; I just didn't get what you were driving at. Could you perhaps clarify?

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What I like is how basically ignored my post and answers, ignored the questions I asked, and just rolled on with the pratt (point refuted a thousand times) machine. Nice.

Untrue. You're thinking of the archaeoraptor fossil. Incidentally, it was a fraud that was composed of genuine transitionals.

What, specifically, do you mean? In some instances, the roots of a tree may keep "burrowing" even fter a upheaval.

What does this have to do with evolution?

Um, most scientific dating methods are accurate enough and do give consistent and supporting answers. What does this have to do with evolution?

Nonsense. That's not how the geologic colum works. What does this have to do with evolution?

My guess would be the same way animals like fish and frogs have rained down because they got carried during evaporation What does this have to do with evolution?

Untrue. Some examples of beneficial mutation, include the ability to degrade nylon by a bacteria and the mutation of Apo-AI to Apo-AIM in an Italian family.

What dating methods? Some dating methods can't be used for specific things, like for instance: carbon dating can't date a living thing, but it can be used for other specific datings that are within a particular range.

They haven't. The paluxy tracks aren't wht Hovind wants you to believe that they are. Even AIG have conceded the point.

Proof is for maths and alcohol. If, however, it's strong evidence that hasn't been falsified that you're after, there are several to been seen. I mentioned a few in my last couple of posts.

How so?

Nonsense. Ron Wyatt's "findings" are a fraud. By the way, do you knwo how many chariot have ben found? The truth lies within the answer. There's no evidence of Noah's ark.

I don't know.

Don't be silly. Many theists, including Christians, accept the theory of evolution. You haven't shown how evolution is a rligion, you've so far shown, though, that you know very little about it.

Evolution isn't chance.

Not all "evolutionists" or, indeed, atheists acept abiogenesis. That doesn't mean that what you've written above is quite right, though. No one that accepts the possibility of abiogenesis thinks life came just by chance immediately from non-life. Several processes that follow the principle of an action coming from a reaction occured.

Hovindite rubbish. I'd advise you to use a better source for your pratts.

No one expects you to accept them without evidence.

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How do you explain that an undigested food found in a frozen mammoth, that is supposed to be millions of years old

How do you explain the blood that was found in the bone of a T Rex that is supposed to be millions of years old.

How would you explain that no transitional form has been found for apes to man, cow to whale , etc

How would you explain that fresh lava/rock from a volcanic activity was dated and yet gave a result as if it has existed foer thousands or millions of years.

Even without big bang (cosmis evolution) there would be no biologic evolution, and yet without the prior existence of matter/energy bigbang is not possible.

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The so called dinosaur bird transitional form that you are talking about have been shown to frauds made from the gluing togther of various bones by scrupulous idividuals who sold them.

Can you explain why we have Stratafied fossils of tree trunks that are still standing uprigth and which go through different strata of coal.

I find it silly the no scientific dating methods is accurate enough enough to give you consistent answers, yet you still go ahead to give you speculative dates for different fossils based on the geologic column.

About the geologic column, the geologic column is based on circular reasoning, e.g A saying A is true based on B , while at the same time B says B is true based on A. how do you explain petrified clamps (in a closed position) that are found on the top of everest , please note that being in a closed position means that they were still alive before a catastrophe brought them to everest.

How do you explain that even though there evidences bad mutations that show that animals are losing there genetic information, yet there is no evidence showing the existence of a beneficial mutation (which increases genetic information in an animal) that then makes an another become another animal.

Why is it that dating methods could not accurately date the shell of a living snail and a freshly killed seal (for which we already know the correct age). Yet we are expected to believe (in faith) that they can accurately date fossil bones as millions of years.

Explain to me why they found human foot prints and dinosaur foor prints within the rock,

Please there is no single scientific evidence that you can use to proof evolution.

You mentioned Archeoptrix , they have been shown not to be transitional forms as you have falsly claimed on this thread.

How come they are finding evidences of where children of isreal crossed the sea, evidences of desrtroyed chariots of the egyptians in the red sea, evidences of Noah's Ark.

How come they are finding metal shapes and works inside coals that is supposed to be "millions and millions years".

The simple truth is that Evolution is a religion of those that do not want God to exist, so that they can do whatever they like.

Even Charles Darwin himself knew that the "Eye" was to complexy to have occured by chance.

Genetic scientists specify that without the presence of about 20 specific aminoacids a protein cannot be formed.

Yet atheist and evolutionist still think live came from a primordial soup by chance.

If the moon were to be millions of years old the dust accummulation on the moon would have swallowed up the american astronauts, yet they walked on a relativley thin dust layer.

The is not one evidence showing how life could have came from nonliving materials to living things. Instead all we keep hearing is "could have " "Should have "may have ""might have" "would have", speculations that we are expected to accept without at least one prove.

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I suppose we now know that you're not the honourable "kind".

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No, I meant evolution as described by the theory of evolution; which is essentially what is meant when someone is talking about evolution in reference to humans, transitionals etc. basically, biological evolution. If I want to talk about cosmological theories, it would be just as clear - as you can dedce from my other posts where I mention both the Big bang theory and planetary formation. And if for some reason that wasn't clear, the context of my previous post should have indicated what was meant.

Also, microevolution and macroevolution aren't really different. Both occur due to the same mechanisms.

Did you read my previous post? I'll repeat exactly what I wrote:

"Actually there are several independent lines of enquiry that support the theory of evolution. These include:

- Shared endogeneous retroviral insertions between species, including humans and other apes

- shared genetic sequences and genes between species, and in particular, the presence of chromosome no.2 in humans. A very strong indication of the shared ancestry between chimps and humans.

- The fossils of transitional animals, e.g. Archaeopteryx and other dinosaur-bird transitionals.

- observed speciation both in anature and in labs. e.g Hybridisation peonies resultng in speciation

In any case, what curse is causing animals to become extinct?

What exactly is a kind? Are lions and tigers the same kind? What about a donkey and a horse?

Actually, no. Please read both my previous post and this one.

You realise that at this point we are no longer talking about evolution, right? In any case, if I bother to attempt an explanation, will you listen?

It's easier to just point out that all of those are wrong. If you want me to go into further details, don't hesitate to ask.

Energy. Energy can arsie from quantum fluctuations in a vaccuum- essentially, from nothing; although, that is not to say that was what hppened in the case of our universe.

That's Hovindite nonsense.

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sysuser thank you . . . i get weary of KAG's seemingly intelligent posts that essentially have no basis.

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Evolution is not true , First of all, let us define what yu mean by evolution is it cosmic evolution or is it macro evolution or is it micro evolution.

There is no evidence whatsoever for the speculation of evolution , you said there is evidence from extinct apes (another fantasy and speculation), animals are going extinct because of the curse not because of evolution!

Microevolution is not evolution instead it is just variation, within the same kind hence why a black man can give birth to an albino (because of variation in the makeup). A tall dog can give birth to a short dog, but it is still a dog, ,no matter how many times you try it will always give you an animal that is " kinda" like a dog.

Evolution requires faith, because you expect people to believe things dat hav no evidence whatsoever.

where did the matter come from.

Where did time and space come from.

And pls don't start me going on the lie that evolution is science, evolution is not science simply because it does not give any prove or scientific evidence that can be tested any where else,

the fossils records say nothing about evolution instead what they say it dat an animal died , You simply cannot say when or where the animal lived or died. You also cannot accurately say what the animal looks like.

Lucy, Java man, Pekking man have all been shown to be questionable/or downright frauds.

Dragons (what we now call dinosaurs) have always existed with man, check your bible Leviathan and Behemoth. There are ancient drawings showing that there were once dinosaurs that lived with man.

The amino acids experiment which was tried to see whether they could create protien was shown to falsified.

Big Bang theory assumes that there was initially matter or energy , yet not how come it did't start from nothing .

The earth's magnetic field is decreasing gradually at rate that if the earth were to be billions of years old, the early magnetic field would have been too strong for life.

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Wait, so God isn't incomprehensible then? I guess we can now safely discard a part of your "theory" in your previous post. What do you mean by godlessness?

Actually there are several independent lines of enquiry that support the theory of evolution. These include:

- Shared endogeneous retroviral insertions between species, including humans and other apes

- shared genetic sequences and genes between species, and in particular, the presence of chromosome no.2 in humans. A very strong indication of the shared ancestry between chimps and humans.

- The fossils of transitional animals, e.g. Archaeopteryx and other dinosaur-bird transitionals.

- observed speciation both in anature and in labs. e.g Hybridisation peonies resultng in speciation

Those are just a few examples of the evidence available.

Extinct apes. humans and other currently living apes share distant common ancestors.

It can be surmised from the shared characteristics - often of a unique combination - with other apes and the fossil record. Why would they need to create another man? And on earth would that prove anything? WTF, man?

It's not just about being able to "explain anything" with any cursory tale that comes to mind - that is left to religion and politics. It's being able to explain things using the scientific method and sometimes mathematics, and allowing for falsifiability. By the way, science doesn't prove.

Then it's time you let go of Creationism, because several scientific theores have been shown to be correct.

Well, we are all experiencing it now.

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Neither is God such a mystery except to those who are constantly trying to use this argument to justify their godlessness.

There is no ample evidence for evolution but ample theoriesa and speculations. If humans are not descendants of living apes then which apes were we descendant from? How did science know that we descended from pre-historic apes and can they prove it by creating another man?

Science can always explain anything . . . they just have a problem proving that their explanation is indeed correct.

neither has creationism been completely shut down. Until science can accurately demonstrate that their "theories" are correct then i still have a basis to hold on to creationism.

the question is not whether it occurs but whether you have ever experienced it.

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Men don't have the capability to get pregnant because human beings - like other mammals - are of two varieties. The female is the one with the evolved capacity to give birth to an offspring.

Rest, dream. It's a lot more complicated than that, but it boils down mostly to those.

The Sun. The Earth and the moons orbit around the Sun and vice versa.

Not quite. There's no evidence to support that Jesus performed miracles or that he said all that was claimed he said.

It's likely they didn't happen. What witnesses? Are supposed witnesses always a reliable source, especially when they are biased?

You can try though

Evolution isn't such a mystery. There's ample evidence for evolution. Human beings aren't descendants of other presently living apes. Science can explain how you descended from an ape and explain how it's possible for humans to have evolved from other extinct apes.

No it hasn't.

Evolution occurs. Yes.

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"The prevailing theory is that He [God] is timeless, incomprehensible, the alpha and the omega, the begining and the ending. He created the heavens and the earth, made man in His own image and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Through the process of redemption He came down to earth, took up the likeness of sinful flesh to die for the sins of you and me that through Him we might have eternal life.

After His ascension, He came down and shed Himself abroad in the hearts of those who believe in the form of the Holy Spirit . . . a process of drawing us to Himself by Spiritual attraction." (source: the bible)

Hope i've answered your question

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"The prevailing theory is that they [planets, including the Earth] are formed during the collapse of a nebula into a thin disk of gas and dust. A protostar forms at the core, surrounded by a rotating protoplanetary disk. Through accretion (a process of sticky collision) dust particles in the disk steadily accumulate mass to form ever-larger bodies. Local concentrations of mass known as planetesimals form, and these accelerate the accretion process by drawing in additional material by their gravitational attraction, " (sauciness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#Formation)

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If the evolution of man is a mystery (that has NO proof), then how are you able to write it down in textbooks and teach your kids such bull? Its pretty hard to look an ape in the face and claim that he is your ancestor dont you think?

why cant science explain HOW you descended from an ape?

The big bang theory has also been shut down repeatedly. What do you think about evolution? Have you ever witnessed it?

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You are the one who claims the earth exists, the burden of PROOF is on you. all i know is that God is a spirit. Spirits may have always existed through eternity for all we know.

thank you.

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If anyone can SINCERELY look at nature (the impressive sun, the planets, the sea, the fishes, atoms, etc etc) and still claim that there is no God, there must be something blinding that person.

It (the blinding agent) could sometimes be a bad habit that the person is not willing to let go of. Check yourself.

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You won't get the answers u want. But I just wnat u to understand that the proof u need is in history. There is no historian on this earth that can claim that the events that led to our belief in God did not take place they happened and most importantly that Christ walked the earth and he performed miracles and he said the things he said.

Now if u choose not to believe that's all on u, keep in mind that the devil lurks everywhere and is looking for a way to get back at God for dismissing him. He's still challenging God.

If u want to believe that there's no God, then ask yourself why is it that all these things have happened and there are witnesses to it. Logically and with the backing of history u cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

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u came from your mothers womb after your dad impregnated her! why didn't your dad have you himself since you originally came from him and don't believe in mysteries?

where and what do you do when you're sleeping? why is there day and night? I guess all that are science to you! men u better go check yourself na so e dey start.

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So are u saying that God doesn't exist? or are you simply losing it! u better go see a doctor if u believe that one exist!

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QUESTION: WERE DID YOU COME FROM TO THIS EARTH. And if you cannot tell us then there is no need believing in you. I quote you again

i came from my mothers womb after my father impregnated her. i'm reality, u can see, touch and feel me.

how did the earth come into existence?

u are the one that claims GOd exists, the burden of PROOF is on u. all i know, is that the earth is made of matter. matter may have always existed through eternity for all we know.

God's existance is a MYSTERY that we will NEVER EVER know! so guy, leave it alone before you commit! if you can ask that smart question, I'm sure you can start a thread with other smart topic but please leave this one cux no ONE, no ANGEL, or SPIRIT both in heaven or earth can answer your question.

if GOd existence is a mystery, then how are u able to worship him or have a personal relationship with him. it's pretty hard to have a relationship with an unknown entity don't u think?? why can't the angel explain GOD's existence if they are always with him in heaven??

In the begining God created

the theory of Genesis has been shut down repeatedly. what do u think about evolution. did God start evolution??

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God's existance is a MYSTERY that we will NEVER EVER know! so guy, leave it alone before you commit! if you can ask that smart question, I'm sure you can start a thread with other smart topic but pls leave this one cux no ONE, no ANGEL, or SPIRIT both in heaven or earth can answer your question.

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how did the earth come into existence?

As soon as you provide a logical, coherent and proven answer i will promptly tell you how God came into existence.

If however there is no answer to my question then permit me to wonder why you believe that the earth exists.

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I want to believe your not an Anti-Christ or a DEVIL even worst than SATAN. If your answer is NO. Then be careful. Do not ask silly questions. I also want to believe that you worship somewhere - be you Moslem or Christain. AND AGAIN BE CAREFUL.

"WHEN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION - I WILL TELL YOU WHERE GOD IS FROM"

QUESTION:   WERE DID YOU COME FROM TO THIS EARTH. And if you cannot tell us then there is no need believing in you. I quote you again

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Exodus 3:14 -> "I am that I am"

His name that He gave to Moses is loaded with theology/metaphysics/etc/etc

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God is existence Grin

Now ask your self where does existence come from? Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

so how do u PROOF God is existence. is existence timeless?? why can't we just say the galaxy has always existed without claiming some God created it

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- the unmoved Mover

- the unchanging Changer

- Being itself

- etc, etc

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And it leads to nowhere.

But just because we do not know where the creator comes from,does not mean that "IT" does not exist.

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if there's no answer to the question, why believe in something u have no clue about. how did God come into existence

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Do you really expect anybody here to have an answer to that question?Get real!.

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If we assume that God came from somewhere (call it point X) and settled at the point He is now, then we must also ask:

- Where was He before He came to point X?

- And where was He before that?

, and on, and on, and on.

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