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Where Did The Non-isrealites(gentiles) During Ancient Times Go Heaven Or Hell?

The bible says God called abraham and promised him and his generations alot, but what i want to knw is where people like d ancient chinese who wer not mentiond in d bible or even africans went wen they died, if they went to hell it dozn't seem fair cuz d gospel wasn't brough to them in d first place, anybody with answers shld pls explain

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As 4 davidalyn, go search 4 d correct answers,instead of churning out bullshit here.search d 'word' ask d elders but watever you do make sure your answers hold water,unlike d nonsense you said earlier

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This lunatic noetic neva ceases to amaze me! I can lay my life down and swear dat piece of poo is a jehovah's witness cuz dey argue senselessly and dodge questions exactly like him,

I just can't understand why a sane person who believes in a diety wuld ask another who dozn't believe questions lyk what understanding do i have,who is god,what is his ontology, WHAT THE F*@K!! This guy is crazy!

No-slowpoke-etic,you are d one making d positive claim as to the existence of good,in case you're illetrate,it's your responsibility to answer questions concernin him/her and give proof/reasons for your belief.not coming to NL to ask abt 'ontology'

How do you xpect me to demonstrate an appreciative understanding of the subject(god)? isn't it obvious i chose reason and rationality instead of subscribing to ancien writings dat for all we knw wer made up by d writers, i dnt subscribe to things wiout EVIDENCE and all the pieces fitting together.

So stop dodging and ANSWER my questions.DEFEND YOUR BELIEFS MAN!!!

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davidylan does not even know what he is talking about. Even animals learn what ever they know and are taught everything from hunting to surviving in the wild by their parents and other animals around them talk less of humans, I have been close to a 3 year lion that was domesticated by a zoo keeper in Sidney and the lion is no different from the dog with which it grew up with in behavior, the lion behaves just like the dog. if the owner of the lion decides to take the lion into the wild in the state the lion was without teaching it how to survive in the wild the lion will definitely die out in the wild because it doesn't even know how to hunt and survive in the wild. the lion doesn't know what it means to fight for territory, it doesn't even know what territorial dominance means and how important it is to other lions, all the lion knows are the humans around it and the dog that taught it everything it knows since when it was a cub. But you won't expect david to accept it he is hell bent on defending the false postulations of paul that humans are born with moral consciousnesses written in their hearts by the Christian god even though he hasn't told us what the moral consciousness that are written in people's heart are. He talked about stealing and killing but we know that people are taught to know that these things are bad, NO one grows with the automatic knowledge that killing or stealing is wrong and mazaje gave an excellent example of the Nigeria tribe that killed their twins and felt good about it thinking they were doing the right thing. If people are born with moral consciousness written in their hearts the people will not kill off their twins for one reason or the other. The same people were taught not to do that because the European missionaries showed them how wrong it was and they stopped.

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davidylan will lie his deluded heads off all the time. . . here is what he wrote

i wonder where he got the idea that noah had never had about sin or forgiveness. . . as you pointed out he and paul have not told us which moral laws are planted in our hearts. . .davidylan i know that you will agree with me that burning of twins is morally wrong completely? why was it not written in the hearts of the people that practiced it naturally? what about cannibalism? why was it not naturally written in the hearts of the people that used to practice it because they believed that it will make them better hunters? if killing your neighbor is wrong why did moses, joshua, and the rest of the ancient jews kill their neighbors, enslave them, steal their lands, forcefully take their women and their children as it was written in the bible? if there is any such things as natural conscience written in the hearts of men by the biblegod then the last person that you will expect to tell people to kill each other will be the bible god but we have him telling people to kill each other, steal, lie , molest and enslave each other all over the bible. . .

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davidylan will keep on lying for Jesus as long as it will take to make sure he wins a pointless argument. This is a non argument. I don't know why you guys are busy responding to davidylan who believes that the ignorant assumptions of Paul in the bible are right. There is NO moral law written in the hearts of any body. what if some of the gentiles were killing off their babies for one reason or the other as mazaje pointed out in his earlier post? what if they ancient gentiles were eating people or sacrificing them unto their gods for one reasons or the other and they considered that the right thing to do? what if some the gentiles married many wives which is contrary to the Christian god view? what if some of the gentiles consider killing those that do not look like them acceptable for one reason or the other? example the ancient Greeks were known to leave off their babies out in the cold in order to know how strong they babies are, that action to them was a good thing to do. Do people that are brought up in societies that accepts having sex with and marrying underage children know that they are doing the wrong thing? take bullying for instance, children are known to bully other children that are less stronger than them for pleasure, with out teaching a child that bullying is wrong he will continue to bully other kids that are less stronger than he is because of the pleasure it gives him. a child will not automatically know that bullying is wrong until his parents or teachers sit him down and tell him the consequences and effects of what his actions are. There is No moral law written in the hearts of any body because morality is subjective and differs from place to place. You and Paul haven't even told us the natural Moral law that the god of the bible writes in the hearts of the ancient gentiles. It is very easy to make a blanket statement.

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I watched Feral kids about a month ago and it was really an eye opener. Every thing that we know we are taught about it. A careful study about the ancient Greeks will show that we are not born with any moral conscience what so ever. The ancient Greeks did so many things that we will consider VERY bad and evil in today's world but then they taught that they were doing the right thing. Just as mazaje has said parent will not burn off their twin babies and feel good about it in some parts of Nigeria as was done before the missionaries came if we were born with a morale conscience.

The above statement is very false newly born gazelles do not run away from the sight of wild animals. It completely is not true.

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@davdylan, I now agree u're much more silly than i thought,i've emphasizd a million times dat d blank slate refers to MORAL right and wrong.but since u cnt dispute dis ur making it sound lyk i spoke in absolute terms, shame!

''survival instinct depends on ability to det which action is conducive 4 survival'' TRUE,but how do u determine if nt by learning or experience?The cerebral palsy argument contradicts you,why does he not knw standing in d middle of d road is bad? Coz he can't learn and understand d dangers until he xperiences it.in that case u have learn't by xperience.The basic human instinct is to do ANYTHING to get food,water,warmth& shelter as well as preserving life, we now LEARN the right and wrong ways to get these needs thru societal rules or religious rules, i'm sure u agree with dis but unfortunately your egostical attitude won't let u admit it.jus say u dnt knw d answer regarding d fate of d gentiles,instead of telling me abt 'natural laws written in their hearts'.bullshit!

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@noetic, you are a bloody !, i'm still waiting for your 'intelligent reasons 4 imaculate conceptn' and all u can say is i depend on mazaje and huxely, u're a big fool,trying to dodge d question.ARTFUL DODGER! Go ask your criminal pastor 4 answers,afterall u pay him in tithes,offerings,firt fruit,last seeds,vows,honorarium,thanksgiving and so on, let him earn his money abeg!

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Why are you embarrasing yourself like this just to prove a nonexistent point? the statements in bold are totally false.

Geese have been shown to follow the first moving object they encounter (even though it is usually their mother) how does that translate to determining what action is conducive for survival? and a baby would suck anything you put into its mouth even if it is a nail or poison which would kill it.

The actions might be conducive for survival but there is not determination on the part of the individual because they are innate instincts unlike the conscience which is not innate but developed due to social conditioning.

Don't confuse issues, the subject in dispute is about the knowledge of right and wrong in a baby/child.

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Just as I thot, the fell right into the trap. The response to flee from a lion is actually learnt by a gazelle. A gazelle brought up in the proximity of lions from birth would never flee from a lion and would be eaten by a wild one.

A gazelle however would flee from the heat of fire in response to the pain stimulus.

I deliberately did that even though your answer is contradictory to your earlier statement which I will repeat below.

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If a child is blank as regards the concept of right and wrong . . . how did he come born with a survival instinct which in essense is simply a concept on how and how not to survive? [/quote]

And if you don't see the contradiction in your statement in light of the example given of the Gazelle then you are dumber than I initially thought.

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So you now agree that we werent born as blank slates?

thou ignorant fool . . .[b] survival instincts take very complex brain coordination to understand. [/b]Take an individual with cerebral palsy, does he know that standing in the middle of the road is dangerous?

Survival instincts themselves DEPEND on the ability of an individual to be able to determine what actions are conducive for survival and which are not.

Did you go to school at all?

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I'm not surprised . . . the only baffling thing was this piece of garbage duduspace wrote . . .

Why did the gazelle run at the sight of the lion? how did it know that stay = bad and run =  good? Watch discovery channel, even newly born gazelles run at the sight of wild animals . . . if they were born with blank slates i'd expect the gazelle to go give the lion a hug instead.

And i thought you had anything but space between your ears?

the rest of his confused piffle wasnt worth responding to.

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And what (if anything) does this have to do with discussions in this thread?

Seems like some members of the "Brotherhood of the deluded" engaging in some back slapping, why don't you go hang out in a gay bar while you are at it?

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@ Daviddylan

To expect tudor to reason and see beyond his nose, is like expecting rainfall in a desert.

He relies on mazaje and huxley, who also rely on google and youtube. he (tudor) simply has no brain of his own.

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U are a very confused man! Doz re basic instincts necessary 4 survival,just lyk plants and bacteria move towards light and food.and just lyk we wer born with reflexes and some re conditioned by learning actions, as 4 moral right and wrong u're not born with dem dats d issue at hand and ur digressing talking poo abt bosoms, 4 d lion he may exhibit traits of hunter and meat eater,but if not trained on how and how nt to hunt he'll die of hunger in d wild, he was born with the claws,sense of smell & strength,but being able to use dem effectivly is by learning.a child learns to crawl by curiosity,he sees things want to touch dem and moves to touch it,whether by rolling or crawling,he sees adults walking he tries to walk and since d legs aren't ready yet he ends up crawling, my blank state was made in regards to 'morals' and u know it,so stop behaving lyk a child and argue constructively.

As 4 noetic,d fool has refused to answer my question, coward!

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this is one of the easiest ways to know these goons arent really interested in an answer . . . tudor asks a question of what happened to those who lived without bibles, religious laws and a God they knew and could worship in a defined manner. I answered it simply from the bible and now we have trolls whining about blank slates?

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simple example of the stupidity of claiming that we are born as blank slates . . . a lion raised by humans on milk only still exhibits traits of being a wild animal, a hunter and a meat eater . . . who taught it?

And we assume animals are of lower intelligence than humans. when a baby is born it immediately starts looking for the bosom . . . was it sucking in the womb? A child learns to crawl . . . were the mother and father crawling too?

I think the only blank state here is your braiins.

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The "Artful Twister" and erudite scholar of the "By any means possible debating school" is at work again, the blank slate statement by Tudor was made in respect to the knowledge of right and wrong in a baby at birth (i.e development of the conscience).

Is this the only snide remark you could come up with? don't tell me you've run out of peer reviewed articles to twist and selectively pick from.

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noetic, you waste too much time responding to mazaje. I've pretty much stopped . . . he's simply a goon with a one-track mind . . .

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It doesnt "click" simply because you never expected one anyway. By all means believe whatever you wish.

Tudor says we are born with a "survival instinct" but earlier claimed we were born as a blank slate. I doubt he even understands his own confusion.

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@davidalyn, by 'unsatisfactory' i mean your answer doesn't click, an answer is supposd to completely cover d question logically.

You're begining to confuse me,first you say god judges them by natural law in them(which dosn't exist) and then u say the bible actually says 'no' condemning dem to hades, pls clarify

as 4 a 3 year old lying,it's simple logic.he does sumthing mum gets angry and he gets a spanking,next tym he does it again,mum asks who did dis,inorder to avoid spanking he says he didn't.he might not evn knw its lying,it's now d duty of parents to tell him wat he,s doing is wrong and society does nt accept dis.

The only instinct we're born with along with all animals is 'SURVIVAL' instinct,we're programd lyk animals to do anything to survive,it's nw d society dat tells us wat is the right & wrong way to survive,dats where concience is formed,basd on what you are taught, for example,i'm u as a christian might eat pork meat and have no second toughts,but a muslim who does so wuld be prompted by his concience dat he's gone against d tenents of Allah

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Speak to the man in the mirror, it is you nitpicking for errors, if I were I would have assumed that your initial statement which I responded to meant that all 3 year olds lie.

Sorry to disappoint you, I am not tripping over my feet it is you rather rolling in your mud. I never said kids have no capacity to understand the concept of lying, all I said was that they might not "fully" grasp or understand the concept. When children start learning maths they usually repeat additions after their teachers and they might not fully understand the concepts involved in addition until much later but still do simple sums because they remember their teacher saying something like 1+1=2

It is obvious to me that I'm at least more mentally stable than you are because you've succeeded in your self delusion that everyone acts exactly the way you do.

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There was a time when people used to burn twins in some parts of nigeria. . . parents will allow others to burn their twins for one reason or the other and not feel bad about it in fact they taught they were doing the right thing by burning their twin babies. if we are born with a natural conscience will parents ever burn or allow people to burn their twin infant children? were the perpetrators not taught that it was wrong to do that? why are morals always evolving if there is any such things as natural conscience? NO SUCH THING EXIST. . .

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Your analogy doesn't make sense because you are drawing parallels with a matured adult making a decision while we are talking about a developing child.

You continue to speak like an , have you ever heard of autonomic reflexes, when a child puts his hand in fire (without the knowledge of the effect of its heat), does he think of moving it before he does? in other words, is the movement of the arm from the fire an act of the will or just some sort of self preservative instinct at work?

Before you answer me with your typical half-thought out responses, the point I'm making is that you don't have to fully grasp or understand a concept or an idea (note the use of the word fully) in order to use it.

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does a 4 year old child that sees a toy outside his house that does not belong to him, play with it and take it home know that he has stolen it? does a 4 year old child that slaps another child because he took his toy know that it is a wrong thing to do? does a 3year old child that cries all night know that is is wrong to deprive others of their sleep at night? does a 4 year old child that lies to his mum because he wants her to give him a candy know that he is lying? are they not thought by others that it is either right or wrong? do the 10 year old taliban kids that are on tape executing the paskistani soldiers with a gun know that what they are doing is wrong? what the heck are you saying?

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Again confusion reigning supreme here.

1. they are not lying BECAUSE THEY WANT TO

2. But they lie anyway BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AVOID PUNISHMENT OF GAIN REWARD.

Do both premises square with each other? Imagine if i said . . . i'm not really running because i want to but because i want to get to my destination faster . . . well i'm still running FOR A REASON ANYWAY AND ITS BECAUSE I WANT TO! If i didnt want to run i'd just sit or walk!

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you pretty much alluded to that in your statement. It seems when you guys get caught in the web of your own confusion you start nitpicking for "errors".

you're tripping over ur own feet . . . you acknowledge that kids have no capacity to grasp and understand the concept of lying YET go ahead to claim that they use it to avoid punishment . . . how were they able to wrap their minds around the complex fact that you can lie to escape punishment if they didnt even understand the concept of lying in the first place?

Its just like saying i dont understand the concept of algebra but go ahead to use it to solve quadratic equations anyway.

Are you mentally stable? Or is this just one of your "the end justifies the means" arguments?

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mazaje basically comes here to spew tasteless, irresponsible and unintelligible garbage. That you consider his response cerebral enough to reference is testament to the state of your own mental acuity.

the idea that folks are born with a blank state is rubbish . . . you all know it, but of course as long as its just one more false tool in your arsenal to fight against christianity it doesnt matter.

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And how exactly did you come to this conclusion? where exactly did I use the words "ALL" of course its still the same ole Davidylan with his favorite pastime of twisting people's words.

and yes while children may not fully grasp or understand the concept, they can use it if there is fear of punishment. They are not lying because they want to but in order to avoid punishment or to gain some sort of reward and when they initially do it, they don't know it is wrong until "significant others" points it out

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You mean ALL parents lie and a 3 yr old can mentally process that the parent is LYING, understands the concept and then learns how to use it?

All at the age of 3?

Insult me, that's fair . . . but to then shoot urself in the foot with the above . . . pathetic.

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Yu never cease to amaze me, just listen to yourself, you still haven't figured out how a 3 year old learns how to lie? what do you think they are doing when they stare at you and study you all all day long?

You make yourself look silly when you make such posts as this; myself and some others will continue to question your intelligence when you make such posts as this, it does your considerable mental capacity no justice at all.

I would suggest you take a look at Mazaje's postulations in answer to your other questions.

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this goon is just saying things that do not make sense. . . .this is another lie. . . .when abraham married his half sister sarah was Inbreeding considered a bad thing then? there is a tribe in australia that used to believe that if they eat human flesh it will make them better hunters so they caught people killed them and ate them. . . . do these people that practised cannibalism believe that is was wrong? if they were born with a conscience will they do that? if we were born with a conscience will abraham marry his half sister? i told you that the ancient jews do not believe that stealing was wrong because they stole the animals of their neighbour when they engage them in war. . .why is it that the present israeli forces can not do that? if we are born with a natural conscience will the ancient jews steal the animals and women of their neighbours when they fight them in wars? will they forcefully enslave them? will they kill off innocent children and women? do we intentionally kill off innocent children and women in today's conventional  wars? why are there war crimes today? do they exist when moses and his foot soldiers were killing innocent children and Molesting innocent women and burning entire cities to the ground as was written in the bible? you are a complete goon. . . .people are born with a BLANK slate. . . do the children of the australian cannibal tribe know that killing and eating other people is wrong? were they not taught to believe that it was right? if we were born with a conscience will their children kill other people and eat them?  do the taliban children know that it is wrong to kill others that are not like them? were they not taught to believe that? people are taught what is good and what is bad. its like you have never been around kids before. . . if you have you will not say such a thing. . .a kid will see a thing and pick it up and begin to play with it or assume that it is his. . .haven't you seen parents slap or shout on their little kids and teach them not to take things that do not belong to them because it isn't theirs and it is a bad thing to do? if we are born with a conscience will a baby do that? are we not taught every thing that we know? if we are born with a conscience then why is morality evolving? 70 years ago you will not be allowed to attended the same class with whites in the united state. . .now things have changed. . .

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dont blame us tudor, after spending 6 months with bone heads like mazaje and huxley you cant help but feel that most of you are simply out looking to score points rather than asking because you want genuine answers.

I dont get it when you say my answers are "unsatisfactory" . . . in what sense is it? That it does not mirror EXACTLY your own pre-conceived idea of what the answer shld be?

You asked a biblical question and i responded with the biblical answer and its still "unsatisfactory"? Why? Are you the one who set the criteria for those who can and cannot go to heaven? So why do you expect the answer to mirror your mind?

The question was whether non-israelites/gentiles would go to hell IF they NEVER heard about the God of Israel . . . the bible EXPRESSLY says no. What sort of answer where you looking for?

Now to tackle your above questions . . . to claim that "we were not born with a conscience" is FALLACY. Who teaches a 3 yr old to lie? But he wakes up one day and effortlessly tells a lie to get out of trouble . . . what experience taught him to do that?

Did you have to attend classes that taught you that stealing your neighbours goat was wrong? Did you have to visit ethics class to know that stealing meat from the pot was wrong?

My dear, no body is EVER born with a blank slate . . . that is just a flat out LIE you desperately need to force your own opinions into the bible.

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there is no natural law that exist in the hearts of very man. . . that is a fallacy. . .your conscience is made by what you are taught as right and wrong, moslems believe that it is right to kill the unbelievers because Allah tells them to do so. . .ancient jews believe it is right to kill the canaanites, jebusites, etc because they were living on the land that was promised them by their tribal god. . . .even the ancient jew believed that slavery was a good thing. . . Inbreeding is now considered a bad thing but it wasn't during the time of abraham because his wife sarah was his half sister according to the bible. . .into days world such a union will be considered a crime. i was watching a documentary on aljareera, a guy went to pakistan and documented how the taliban had completely polluted the minds of little children, the children were taught to kill without feeling any remorse the pakistani soldiers, they talibans taught the children that they were pleasing Allah their creator if they did that and they will be rewarded excellently by Allah when they die. . .that might be wrong to you but to them they were made to believe it is a holy thing to do. . . .stoning to death a person's child was acceptable in the old testament times but it is not in today's world. . .lying to save a person's life is not a bad thing at all. . . .stealing to feed your starving family is not a bad thing at all. . .during the early 1900 americans were taught to believe that blacks were less human and deserved to be treated as slaves, some even used the bible to justify it. . .so many arabs grew up believing that it was ok for them to kill people and force them into islam, some grew up believing that it was ok to enslave others. . .THERE IS NO NATURAL LAW WRITTEN IN THE HEART OF ANY MAN. . . people learn what ever they know because they were taught about it. . . . .morality is always evolving. . . during the old testament times there was nothing like decrees when engaging in wars nothing like war crime existed then, you kill your enemies and take away all their possessions including women and animals, that is impossible in today's world the IDF can never do such a thing in gaza or tehran . .so your assertion abi paul's assertion is very false. . .

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@davidalny, guy open your eyes,d issue abt intelligent reasons was brought up by your team mate 'noetic',and he doesn't evn hv d nerve to answer my question.

Contrary to what u might believe i'm asking an honest question and not out to score points,your answers re nt satisfactory and i'm seeking clarification, d problem with religious pple is when pple ask questions,they think u're out to get them,

As 4 paul and his sayings,you are not born with a concience,your concience is made by what you are taught as right and wrong,and it prompts u wen u go against d principles you wer taught, so there's nothing lyk 'written in their hearts',when ur born you're a blank slate,shaped by what u see,hear,feel and touch.

As per your brother noetic,the issue whether i can handle intelligent reasons is irrelevant,give me the reasons/points FIRST,then we knw if am capable or not

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You dont want an answer . . . stop screaming your lungs out. You simply are out to score a point . . . even if this were explained to you 100 times you'd either slink away like huxley does all the time or stay here yelling that your questions have been evaded. I answered the very question pertaining to the thread, it seems you're trying to avoid that now by bringing up two completely different questions irrelevant to the topic of the thread. We are already used to such rigmarolling.

Besides why are you asking for "intelligent" reasons? Do you assume you are actually intelligent enough to understand intelligent reasoning? I think not. You seem to misconstrue ad hominems for intelligence.

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You dont seem to be interested in understanding this issue as much as scoring another point for godless humans FC. Paul talks about "natural law" as being written in their hearts and goes further to explain it by adding this - their conscience also bearing witness.

Every man has a conscience that tells you whether what you're doing is right or wrong. Noah didnt know God, never read a bible all his life, didnt know about the 10 commandments, had never heard of sin or forgiveness . . . YET he found favor with God. A clear indication that EVEN THEN there were men and women who lived by the natural laws of the human conscience. That law that tells you deep in your heart that stealing, lying or killing your neighbour is wrong!

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@davidalyn, ,hmmmn so we have 'natural law in us'?examples please, ,wat ur saying is god is gonna hold dem responsible,even as they didn't knw a whiff who he was and his rules and regulations,dats outrageous!

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@noetic ANSWER MY QUESTION U BLOODY !! Stop being evasive! Give me INTELLIGENT reasons to believe your imaculate conception and ressurection.COWARD!

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@ no-slowpoke-etic . The god i dnt believe is d one u claim to represent and worship, Dude i cnt believe you! U ask me 4 any intelligent reason to disbelieve imaculate conception,sinless life & ressurection? U've just showed your fish-like brain in debating and asking questionr. Tell me,any intelligent reason to believe dan the writings of four blokes who say they re disciples and cudn't even get their stories straight abt their 'beloveth' master's last word?for all we knw dey made it up.and super-goats lyk u swallow it hook line an sinker! SELF-RIGHTEOUS Bottom!

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As 4 d multiple posts,u shld talk 2 seun.i click it says error again and again it finally posts only 4 me to see it 4 times, noetic culd pray 4 divine intervention if he wants

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@noetic- you are a BLOODY slowpoke! Even if i dnt believe in god it doesn't mean i cnt ask questions. ''Irrational insanity best describes atheistic postulations''.dude cmon!wat wuld u call a belief dat sum guy was immaculately conceivd,or a guy rose 4rm d dead,or d belief dat your pastor (a fraudster)makes miracles. Dats classic medical stupidity.Afterall xtians lyk u go around d world preaching d gospel,we have a right to answers. As 4 ur answer,it shows your stupidity and gullibility,i'm sure a self righteous Bottom lyk u wuld claim to have d holy spirit.why dnt u ask him heh?

@lady,thanks 4 trying to answer my question,unlike d previous 'ignoramus'.what is d original sin if i might ask?

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Dude (Reply, Click ONCE) not four times mehn.

The prison isn't a literal prison as in bondage. No it is a place where these people are kept until they go through a cleansing from their attachment to original sin. St. Peter describes it as a Prison because in it there isn't always fun, not that they can physically feel pain, but that the pain comes because they will have such a longing for God that it pains them that they have sinned even once against God, and they will see God but not be able to get to him.

It's kinda like a fat kid who sees the big juicy fat cake but he can't get to it, and he thinks he's going to die for not getting that cake. It is that longing to be with God, and they get cleansed from their attachment to sin. WHy? Because nothing unclean can enter heaven.

Well purgatory isn't a place of torture or punishment, it is a place of cleansing. However it will feel like torture, imagine being able to see God and not get to him, that's all the torture there is.

Those sodomites, I can't tell u where they go as I cannot pronounce judgement on people, only God can do that. If he felt some of them were to go to hell, so be it, to purgatory to be cleansed then so be it

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since u dont believe in God, why is it important to u what GOD does to you or them at death. irrational insanity best defines many of the atheistic postulations. why constructively discuss the actions and inactions of a being u dont believe in? This is medically called madness.

To answer ur question, who ever makes the laws passes judgement. If He says u are not worthy, so be it.

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Why would God send people who served and obeyed him to prison when they die? What kind of God is that.and i hear dat purgatory is a place of tortoure and punishment, funny heh? Besides where did disobedient ones like the poor blokes in sodom and gomorrah go when they wer iced by the lord?

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Why would God send people who served and obeyed him to prison when they die? What kind of God is that.and i hear dat purgatory is a place of tortoure and punishment, funny heh? Besides where did disobedient ones like the poor blokes in sodom and gomorrah go when they wer iced by the lord?

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Why would God send people who served and obeyed him to prison when they die? What kind of God is that.and i hear dat purgatory is a place of tortoure and punishment, funny heh? Besides where did disobedient ones like the poor blokes in sodom and gomorrah go when they wer iced by the lord?

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Why would God send people who served and obeyed him to prison when they die? What kind of God is that.and i hear dat purgatory is a place of tortoure and punishment, funny heh? Besides where did disobedient ones like the poor blokes in sodom and gomorrah go when they wer iced by the lord?

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DID THE JEWS BELIEVE IN SHEOL?

DID THE GREEKS BELIEVE IN HADES?

DUDE STOP TRAILING ME BEFORE I REPORT YOU, THIS ISN'T FUNNY!!!

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u see why people dnt reply to ur answer its cos its not valid and if they continue replying u its like talking to a lunatic cos u will never listen always arguying blindlly, dear nairalander continue ur ill ways am sure u wil be guarantied purgatory by paying for mass for forgiveness of ur sins,humm i pity u

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