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Where Do Souls of Animals Go???

The General belief is that souls don't die. Humans have souls, so do animals of all types. If it is true that souls don't die, and humans go to heaven or hell,

WHERE DO THE SOULS OF ANIMALS GO??

If You believe strongly that you would make Heaven, then you must answer this question!

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I sure there is a verse missing that say something like . . . : And you in turn I have given as meat for the mosquitos and tsetse flies and and ultimately the worms that await thee in the earth, and it was so.

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@backslider

So you would take the words of a couple of men who lived thousands of years ago to the voice of science today. Do you not think the bible would have been used to teach biology if what you are saying has a shred of evidence to it?

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@ugborikoko

I am clapping for you here because you have just touched on the main theme of the reason why Jesus came for us and not animals. this is where LOGIC and true spiritual christ likeness is differentiated

now let us look clearly at the BEGINNING

Gen 1

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after[b] our likeness[/b]: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

If you look very well you will see the main purpose for God setting man on earth. you see in the passage how the words "Subdue" "have dominion" was used in this chapter to explain what was the purpose of man.

We were supposed to SUBDUE the earth and everything in it including satan and his host.

God subdued satan and his host. So in the image of God were we supposed to live for God unlike the ANIMALS they were suposed to live for us to subdue them.

As God has dominion of Lucifer we are supposed to have dominion over him and his host. The animal was not supposed to be used to deceive us to east the fruit.

Now lets us look at how God showed us in Practical terms how we DOMINATED by allowing man name the animals.

Gen 2

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

NOW FINALLY WE COME TO THE DIFFERENCE OF MAN AS AGAINST ANIMAL.

Gen 2

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

what this means is that man was a dead soul. why did God breath into man

SO THAT MAN WILL LIVE FOR GOD AND GOD ALONE.

The zoe of God dwells in all man but we can loose it.

Where Animals go is not supposed to be our business because they are not in anyway needed in spiritual warfare and obedience. The Animals are subject to the spirit of man and that of the Spirit of God.

DONT YOU REMEMBER WHAT EVE SAID

GEN 3

"13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."

AND SEE WHAT SHE NOTICED OF THE SERPENT

GEN 3

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SUBDUE NOW SUBDUED US BY DECEPTION AND LATER DOMINATED OUR MINDS THAT WE STARTED RUNNING FROM GOD. SATAN HAD ENTERED THE SNAKE AND WE KNEW AND WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

IF YOU HAVE A DISEASE DOG OR ANIMAL IN YOUR HOUSE ATTACKING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT ? HAVE A COMMUNICATION WITH IT LIKE EVE DID?

SELAH

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@reindeer

I have been around here, its you I should be asking about the faith you found after pilgrims story, how has that been working out for you?

I hope well.

Personally I don't think it is important if animals or human beings have to go anywhere after they die. I have not died before neither did those who supposedly wrote this word of God, the simple truth to me is that we do not know, if anyone says he or she knows let them show us evidence to support their claims, anybody can claim anything, talk is cheap!

Cheers.

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Animals do not have souls. Only humans do

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Y'all sound like you have died as an animal before. The certainty to which some of you speak is nauseating, and what you have as your foundation is what a couple of guys who knew zilch about how this world was. It is very difficult to believe people today talk less of believing someone who died more than 6000 years ago.

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Who is this propagandist? as some one said you guys are more deluded than i thought. . . . . you simply have no knowledge about animals at all. . . . .

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Sir, consider this: That the body does not need to be inanimate (dead) before the soul is dead. There are many dead men walking and talking on the streets. Consider what Jesus said when he said, 'Let the dead bury the dead'. So you see the 'dead' can pick up a shovel and dig a grave in which the dead are to be buried.

So yes, dead souls exists, yet that doesn't mean that the soul is inanimate. A soul becomes alive when it is connected to the Spirit. When the body of a dead soul becomes inanimate, the dead soul does not cease to exist. It just ceases to have influence on the material world.

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animals dont go heaven when they die because they dont have souls. they are only on earth as our earthly campanions. only humans have souls and only them can withstand judgement when they die. when an animal dies they are dead for forever no ressuration for them, only humans are made in the image of God. END OF STORY. sorry u wouldnt see ur bingo in heaven

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I hope say no be fight. The guy was only making a simple request. If you notice he is only on his 36th post, which would suggest that he is not familiar with you and your perspective on religious matters. If he presumed that you were coming from the bible that would be understandable.

If he already has his answers that doesn't mean that you shouldn't contribute. Are we not all here in a dialogue, exchanging opinions and hopefully learning from each other?

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human has body,soul,spirit

animal's has body and soul

now note:soul does'nt rise

human are image of god and god is a spirit

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At those qouting the Bible, i will like to point to your remebrance that the Bible is a spitirtual book, and it must be understaood in the spiritual sense, if it is not viewed from this perspective, it will continue to be a book with seven seals.

The words of the Bible must not be understood and taken literary, it goes beyond that.

When it is said, GOD created man and breathe into him, the breathe of life.

This is a 2-stage process.

1) The creating, and

2) The animating.

This process span some period of time, it wasn't and didnt happen within a second. And that is where the issue of evolution come into place. Well, am not here today to lecture you all.

Those that have eyes, are no longer seeing.

But those that still see, have really misunderstood and misrepresented their real intended meanings and purpose

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I didnt provide the explanation to those with preconceived ideas/opinions, so everyone is entitled to their personal opinions.

I rest my case.

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@ ugborikoko,

it seems you already had the answers to your question, if i had known, i wont have contributed at all, i thought it was a genuine question by a serious seeker of knowledge and truth.

By the way, i didnt tell you i got the knowledge from the Bible, so therefore i dont have/need to start proving some bible verses to you to back up my claims.

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@ enitan2002

Thanks for your contribution men. It provides some explanation of where the souls of animals go. But consider this, Genesis 2:27 the bible gives a vivid account of how Adam was created. God blew into the nostrills of Adam the breath of life, and inanimate Adam became a LIVING soul. Note the adjective LIVING. Does that not say something obvious. There is no point describing soul as LIVING if there is only one state of soul. Saying living soul indicates that dead soul exist.

By the way, that place mentions that Adam BECAME a living soul. Became does not mean the soul entered him. He BECAME a living soul, not a dead soul.

Therefore dead souls exist. When animals die their souls die. It does not go to heaven, hell anywhere else. It simply ceases to exist. Think of all the dinosaurs, ants , cockroaches, existict species of animals, and the billions of insects that have walked the earth and died, why should these creatures go to some special place therafter?

Please provide some biblical backing for the claims you made,

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God has created us as tripartite beings, which means that we are spirit beings, we have souls and we live in a physical body.  The physical body is this shell or house we live in, the soul is the seat of our intellects, wills, and emotions.

In Gen.2:7 God formed Adam out of the dust of the ground and breathed into him the breath of life and he became a living soul.  That is, Adam lived and became aware of his self .  This shows us that our self is our soul, which manifests as our mind, our will and our emotions.  Our spirits have a shape or body that corresponds to our physical body. 2Cor.12:2-4; Rev.4:1-2 which shows that a person can be separated from their physical body.

Adam was the only man made in the image of God.  Plants, flowers, trees, vegetation and animals were created for man's use.  Adam could communicate with God.  He could interact freely with the spirit world as easily as he could in the physical world through his spiritual body.  He communicated and communed with God easily in the Garden of Eden in the cool of the day.  He had a conscious awareness of his spiritual body just as he had of his physical body.  His soul which was conscious of his intellect and will, controlled both his spiritual and physical bodies.  God gave him authority over all other creatures both spiritual and physical to subdue them and have dominion over them except for humans, because mankind were made in God's image.

The devil did not have a physical body to operate in this three dimensional world and he came to Eve and Adam in the body of a serpent to deceive them.  He made them to doubt the Word of God with their minds, to desire the fruit of the tree of knowledge of evil and good with their hearts and to disobey God with their wills, this was the beginning of  the philosophies of man’s rebellion against the wisdom of God.  As soon as they disobeyed God’s command, spiritual death took place.  Adam was no longer consciously aware of his spiritual body.  The process of physical death also started and they were destined for eternal death.  Essentially death began physically, spiritually and eternally.

You can see the effect of the choice of Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  As soon as they ate of the fruit they became spiritually dead, that is, they were no longer consciously aware of their spiritual bodies and thus could not commune or communicate with God as they have always done.  At this juncture, they sewed fig leaves to cover their Unclad bodies as the glory of God had departed.  This was the beginning of religion, trying to cover up our short comings and trying to please God with the works of our hands.  Instead of the order of spirit, soul and body it became soul, body and spirit.  The spirit had to take a back seat and do as the soul and body commanded.  At the fall of man, the mysterious link between the spirit of Adam and of God was destroyed and thus ending Adam’s free communication with God.  Heb.4:12 All of mankind inherited this spiritual death as we all have the image of Adam.  But thank God for the last Adam who removed the sting of death.

God had to come down and slaughter an animal, shed its blood, showing Adam and Eve that the shedding of an innocent blood will only suffice in the interim, as it will only cover the sin and make atonement for their souls.  The last Adam had to come, who was the Logos that was with the Father and who was the second Person in trinity, became human and the perfect sacrifice and substitute that will take away the sin of the world. Jn.1:1-3, 14, 29  We can see here that animals were created for man's use, they were not under the penalty of sin but God used them as an atonement for the remission of sins and later they were used for consumption.  But now we have the Lamb of God who has come to take away our sins which was why God had to become flesh and blood so as to die for our sins.

When we receive the Truth personified who is Jesus Christ into our lives we become born again. Jn.1:12.  We then have the Truth personally dwelling in us when the Holy Spirit the third Person in trinity, comes into us at rebirth as we accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Lord, our spiritual body is reborn or regenerated so that we can commune with and worship the Lord as Adam did before the fall.  The proof that we communicate with God through our human spirit with the help of the Holy Spirit is clearly demonstrated in Jn.4:23-24

Only a spirit can communicate with the spirit world and in this case to worship God the Father who is a Spirit.  When we become  true Christians the link between our human spirit and God is activated only when God chooses to use it for His glory such as to give understanding of the scriptures, to make our hearts aware of His presence, to give us discernment of spirits, to exercise it during ministration, for spiritual warfare, to worship God in Spirit and Truth, etc

Our spiritual bodies are the link between us and the spirit world.  And your soul will determine which one you will link up with.  With God and His angels in His service or with Satan and his demons in his service.  The spirit world cannot be seen or measured with the natural senses and this explains why atheists are at loss here.  Many people here on the N/L religion section have given themselves to the services of Satan and his demons by being used to spread his half truths and lies, thus doubting, denying and disobeying the inspired written Word of God as is presented in the Bible.  Many have decided to create God in their own image, written their own laws and have no purpose and hope to life here and after.

But if we are to be reconnected to God and have an intimate fellowship with Him we have to be born again by the Word of God that abides forever. (1 Peter 1:23)  Jesus Christ has come to seek and to save the lost, His first coming was not to judge but to save but His second coming will be to reap with a sickle, separating the sheep from the goats.  A point of reference is what happened at the global flood of Noah. 

God has set eternity in the hearts of men, not in animals but if man chooses to ignore God then they lose the preeminence that God has given them over animals and after they might have died like animals die their spiritman has to face God in judgment either they believe it or not.  Heaven or hell the decision is yours to make with the free will that the Lord has given you.  Choose what God has chosen for you so that you may live with God eternally.

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@ enitan2002

Thanks for your contribution men. It provides some explanation of where the souls of animals go. But consider this, Genesis 2:27 the bible gives a vivid account of how Adam was created. God blew into the nostrills of Adam the breath of life, and inanimate Adam became a LIVING soul. Note the adjective LIVING. Does that not say something obvious. There is no point describing soul as LIVING if there is only one state of soul. Saying living soul indicates that dead soul exist.

By the way, that place mentions that Adam BECAME a living soul. Became does not mean the soul entered him. He BECAME a living soul, not a dead soul.

Therefore dead souls exist. When animals die their souls die. It does not go to heaven, hell anywhere else. It simply ceases to exist. Think of all the dinosaurs, ants , cockroaches, existict species of animals, and the billions of insects that have walked the earth and died, why should these creatures go to some special place therafter?

Please provide some biblical backing for the claims you made,

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Here on earth, there're only two types of living that makes up this earth,

those with spirit and those with the souls,

a spirit is the core of a human being, and this spirit has a gift incorporated in it, and it is known as the free will. That is the desire to make a choice. The free will can be liken to a converging lens, that collects the power of the sun rays and converge to point either for good purposes or otherwise.

A soul, is condition a spirit when it jhas put on another cloak on itself, but this cloak is not the physical human body. A soul can also be likened to the state in which when a human being shed off this physical earth body, but that state should not be compared to the spirit, the spirit is still inside of the soul, it is only when the soul makes its way back to paradise the spiritual home of the human spirit, that the spirit core remains, because along the way to paradise the spirit continues to shed off the cloaks of different gradations when journeying up.

Then where doest the soul of the animals come from?

The souls of the animals come from a point in creation which is known as the ANIMISTIC REALM. This soul of animal is different from the spirit of man, all because it has no free willof its own, and also it cannot attain self-consciousness. The animals swing in total harmony in the will of the creator, they never do otherwise, cos they lack free will. No matter what an animal does, the creator dont see any wrong in it, so it is now left for we humans to be weary of them and also to strife and understand them (the animals) better.

When animals die, the soul go back to that realm of the Animistic Substantiality, because that is where they originate from.

The place where the spirit of mankind originates from is higher than that of the animals, that is why an animal can nevr become a human being and vice-versa.

But these animals stand higher in creation than mankind of today, because they fully obey the laws of the almighty.

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Dear Pilgrim,

i must appologise for my impetuousness. Sorry i brought much heat on you. Please don't hold back from sharing you views.

Nairaland, i consider this to be an important issue. The reason being, finding answer to this question question could shed light on whether or not souls die. If its true that souls their, then why must it be concluded by most of christainity that you either go to heaven of hell? Adolf Hitler was an evil man while alive, so where is his soul? Ok, not in heaven for sure, is it in hell? What if Adolf Hitler's soul is dead, just like the soul of the dead rat on the road, and the butchered chicken.

If i know for sure that the soul of chickens and goats die when these animals die, then it serves as a proof that the souls of the person does not necessarily go to heaven or hell, it just possibly might be really dead!

Please people give this some thought!

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In Ecclesiastes 3:21 It states that "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

This to me explains the destination of the rational soul of a man and that of the life of animals. The spirit of a man goes upward to heaven to be judged. "Just as a man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment" (Heb.9:27). His state is then fixed either in heaven or hell in an unchangeable state of joy or torment. It is also definite that the life of the animals goes downward to the earth, it perishes at death. Jesus the last Adam came to save mankind from this free downfall, He died the death that we should die and exchanged His life for our lives. Receive Him into your life and escape hell the destiny of sinners.

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This is an interesting conversation that I had with alhaji Olabowale a few months back. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-1787.0.html#msg2365946

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@ugborikoko,

What I had expected was that you would consider that very verse you offered carefully again and invite a discussion. Initially, it seemed you were seeking a philosophical dimension to your enquiry, which I could offer you (incidentally, I was not the first to have thought so). However, because the one problem with people reading any text is a matter of interpretation, I offered that you should carefully re-read that verse that you had based your ideas on, and see what it stated. At least, I was not pushing my ideas, but asking a dialogue. If you had already made up your mind that I didn't want to answer, what was the point sharing anything further?

However, if you are willing, I could then go on and share my thoughts. If otherwise, no worries. But here is something for your attention:

Look again at the verse you quoted initially: what do you make out of this statement - "Behold, all souls are mine" (Ezek. 18:4)? You used that as applicable to animals as well, right? I only called your attention to re-check or re-consider it; let me understand what you had in mind, and then I can offer you some more substance. If that is not going to happen, no wahala. Blessings all the same.

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I've heard that Dogs go to doggie heaven.

So there you have it. problem solved.

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@mazaje,

If you have an answer, please share.

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Pilgrim1

You Lol why all the evasion. . . . lol, if you don't know the answer just go ahead and say so. . . .

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@ poster,

check below the link, you might come across what you asked, and if any other question arises kindly ask it

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-193103.0.html#msg3141279

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From here: http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/ACCC/k/731/#1365513655

This one is a very good read, although again I don't agree with all the information in there.

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@ugborikoko,

I did not say that the animal that sinneth; rather, I asked you to carefully reconsider what inferences you were drawing by interpreting the "soul" in Ezekiel 18:4 and then applying it to the animal.

You may take silence to mean what I did not indicate. If ever I was going to be silent, you would not find me in this thread. If you already have made up your mind about what I think, thank you - I can then save them as well.

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Dear Pilgrim,

Fine, interpretations cloud the truths of christianity. I maybe i interpreted wrongly. But the question has still not been answered. Even if you say the animal that sinneth would die, does that indicate that the soul of that animal dies. If you disagree that the soul of the animal does not die, then you must explain were this soul goes to.

You still have not answered the question my dear Pilgrim!

Ok, i`ll take silence to mean no idea!

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@ugborikoko,

That is precisely where the problem is - "interpretations". The statements written in any verse may be interpreted one way or the other; and it is in those interpretations (not the verses) that problems arise. Let me show you one example:

In my view, your interpretation of that verse may not help (and perhaps, that was one reason why I had wondered if you were being philosophical in the first place). From that verse, there are at least two things highlighted: "the soul that sinneth" and "it shall die". If we take this statement in the same way as you did and apply it to your assumptions, wouldn't it b fair that you also establish a basis for applying it to animals as well? The verse says the "soul that sinneth" - and you should also help us see the "animals that sinneth".

The thing is this, the word "soul" is used there in reference to the person himself/herself. This again is clear in other places where they are so used:

~~ Gen 17:14

And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised,

that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

~~ Gen 46:18

These are the sons of Zilpah, whom Laban gave to Leah his daughter,

and these she bare unto Jacob, even sixteen souls.

Perhaps you need to look again before drawing the inference you did earlier.

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The issue is not necessarily philosophical. Its an issue that the bible must be able to answer. People have interpreted soul to be something that does not die. That's why this question appears difficult to answer.

If we take what is written at Ezekiel 18:4 to be true, then it would mean that souls Die. If souls die then there is no question of what happens to the souls of animals when they die.

People of Nairaland do u believe Souls are eternal. If you do please tell us where souls of animals go when they die!

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@Pastor AIO,

Thank you again for the added context - that's what I enjoy in discussions, thanks.

Well, I was wondering about that, which was why I have been reserved for the moment because it may not be in our best interest to mix philosophical ideologies with the content of the Christian faith. There are so many ways that people may answer his question, but I wondered about what he ws all about.

Anyways, ugborikoko, I shall give you my thoughts in due course.

I appreciate your thoughts. Infact, I probably had anticipated you on the highlighted part, which was why I referenced 1 Cor. 15:53 & 54 earlier. How? Well, I'm of the understanding that the "durable" (that which might be in a state of mortality, perhaps?) could become "forever" - in the context that "mortality" would have put on "immortality". That's what I think, though.

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Ugborikoko, I think that your issue might hinge on the philosophical problem of Identity?

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Nice point Pilgrim, but where do animals go?

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Hi Pastor AIO,

That was helpful. Just a line to balance off issues:

Maybe, maybe not. How? Among other things, it is not restricted to the sense above; for immortality does not always suggest "infinite existence" throughout the past. Some concepts or context of immortality include:

        ●  not liable or subject to death

        ●  not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting

In these contexts, perhaps we find a few pointers in Scripture where the term may not actually be pointing to the idea of "infinite existence throughout the past". Let's remind ourselves of a few:

        ●  1 Cor. 15:53 - "this mortal must put on immortality"

        ●  1 Cor. 15:54 - "this mortal shall have put on immortality"

Perhaps it would indicate that the one who puts on "immortality" was not having "infinite existence throughout the past". Rather, it would be pointing to the understanding that the one who puts on immortality is no longer subject to death.

I thought to point that out, because this idea of "infinite existence in the past" seems to be the basis of the confusion for some when they discuss "immortality".

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@ Pastor

if what you quoted is true, that the concept of soul is indeed a concept and is ambigous, then Pastors should stop preaching about what they are not sure of. A dog dies, no one talks about it going to hell or heaven. A lion kills a person no one talks about it going to hell. Why then do people talk of humans, which they claim also have souls going some where to meet their maker or to hell for punishment?

There are fundamental questions that Christains need to ask, to be sure that they are not being misled

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From here: http://www.wcg.org/lit/spiritual/soulspirit.htm

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I shall do so in due course.

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Wetin concern me with animals and their souls??

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@Pilgrim,

Please tell me what you think

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