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Who Can Correctly Say Which Christians Properly Interpret The Bible?

Every Christian I meet assures me that they are correctly interpreting the bible with the help of the holy spirit, but when I look around I see christians slandering each other constantly , and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teaching or doctrines, most sects like to remain adamant  and claim that only they are the correct interprets of the bible or revelation. . . . . .So how do you know which christian correctly interprets the bible?

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@Aletheia: Of all the education I gave you from your Bible, you can only come up with that pewny Titus verse? Well Shaitan may be at work in you, so run to Allah for Mercy. ma ku si keferi o, ogbeni. mo ti so fun e ooo.

"He said: 'My Lord! Because You have sent me astray (based on the evil in the heart of Shaitan), I shall verily adorn (make fair-seeming) the path of error for them in the earth and shall mislead them everyone, except for your perfectly devoted slaves." (Al-Hijr 15:39-40)

"Then I will come to them from before them and from behind them, from their left and their right and You shall not find most of them thankful." (Al-A'raaf 7:17)

"The devil promises you destitution and enjoins on you lewdness, but Allah promises you forgiveness from Himself with bounty. Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing." (Al-Baqarah 2:268)

"He (satan) promises them and stirs up in them desires and Satan promises them only to beguile." (An-Nisaa' 4:120)

"Satan says to him (man) 'disbelieve (in Allah)', but when he disbelieves, Satan says, 'I am free of you! I do fear Allah, Lord of the worlds!" (Al-Hashr 59:16)

Protect yourself against the accursed Shaitan (the one who is cursed is accursed);

As Al-Haj Muhammad Masoud said in his book, The Islamic Prayer Book, "Salah is the heart of faith. It saves from evil and helps to lead a pure life." It is also a means of safeguarding oneself from the temptations of the devil,

"Recite that which has been inspired in you of the Scripture (the Qur'an) and keep up prayers regularly. Indeed prayers save from shameful and unjust deeds and remembrance of Allah is the greatest and Allah knows what you do." (Ankabut 29:45)

"Establish salah at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night. Verily, good deeds remove evil deeds. This is a reminder for the mindful." (Hud 11:114).

"Those who believe and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah; verily in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest." (Ar-Ra'd 13:28)

Benefit of worship:

"Those who believe and do good deeds and establish regular prayer and give zakah, will have[b] their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."[/b] (Al-Baqarah 2:277)

"As to those who hold fast by the Book (Qur'an) and establish regular prayer--never shall We suffer the reward of the righteous to perish." (Al-A'raaf 7:170)

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@Aletheia: « #59 on: Yesterday at 08:39:20 PM »

that verse 1 John 4 verse 1 is saying prophet is equal to spirit. so a false prophet will be a spirit that is not from God. but a true prophet will be a spirit from God.

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. [John 16 verse 13]the teacher her is spirit of truth from God. i say the another comforter is a prophet of God, you say the another comforter is God. from your lips, sorry your finger you told us the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a part of Trinity. and trinity, is God to you.

(their memory must be so bad that less than so many months they need a reminder!), etc.

"Kini tinu ooo, Mary, Mary, Mary. Kini tinu ooo, Maria, Aya mi?". You know the rest of the song, as Mary responded back to the queries of Joseph who already claimed her as his wife, without paying the dowry. You think in your life, a grown man will marry a virgin and she will not lose that virginity, quicker than she can say "am home"? If Mary was still a virgin a second after her marriage to Joseph, then Joseph was a slow poke. You know that lies entered the story of the pregnancy of Mary.

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@Mazaje: « #57 on: August 13, 2010, 11:26 PM »

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I don't have a video recording of myself coming out of my mum birth canal but I do have pictures of my mum when she was pregnant with me and there is the DNA to beside facial resemblance show that is my mum, a lot of other people have video evidence to show when they came out of their mother's birth canals, your evidence to show that Allah revealed the Koran to any body is WHAT? Claims are NOT evidence, and your belief does NOT count as evidence. . . . . . .When men were primitive,babaric and without knowledge Allah was busy telling them how he created men from clay, how to stone each other to death and cut each others hands for stealing and fornicating, right?. . . . . . . . .Revelation my behind. . . . .Allah remains the creation of the arabic tribe just as Yahweh remains the creation of the ancient Jewish tribe and that is the FACT. . . . .

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@Mazaje: While Mazaje yawns, the Quran by Surah Baqarah 113 answers you about your disbelief that there is no devine religion revealed to Man. Of course, in addition the verse says of the Jews saying that The Christians have nothing to stand on Completely rejecting The revelation given to Jesus and jesus himself AS)). Then the Christians says of the Jews that they have nothing to stand on Completely making Torah into (Love your God with all your heart and your neighbors as yourself).

At least the Jews and Christians have divine revelation that were pure in Once upon a time, in the times of the receiver Messenger[s] and Prophet[s], before the changing of some parts from their places, additions, etc.

However they are no like you who denied God, revelations and think that you are an accident of chance.

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@Aletheia: « #55 on: Today at 07:08:24 PM »

New International Version (©1984)

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. [John 16 verse 13]. Spirit is also used for teacher, teacher is also used for Prophet. Hence Prophet is a teacher: New International Version (©1984)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. [1 John 4 verse 1]. With these two verse, we know that The another comforter is nothing but a prophet or spirit if you will that has an audibe voice that people can hear with their ears, and nothing imagined only in heart or spiritual. You can touch him like one was able to touch each of the Messengers and Prophets including Jesus who was a comforter talking about another comforter. Tell me if the another does not mean "NEW"?

In the above you will see that Muhammad (AS) elevated Jesus [as] and his mother to position of honor, while you said he is cursed, and the Jews wanted him cursed forever.

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For me and my brothers in the Faith of Jesus, we have this:

John Chapter 14:16-17. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

15:26. But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me

May you this day come to experience the Grace and Love of the Lord Jesus.

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@Mazaje: Do you have a video of your birth, when you are coming out of Momma? I want you to be the person doing the recording as you are coming out.

When you can show me your video, then maybe you will be able to locate the video you are asking me to show you.

Video: A recent Invention.

Camera: An earlier Invention, but less than 1000 years old.

Mazaje, in his smartness asked me to show a video of something that happened over 1400 years ago. Mazaje must be able to show himself recording his own birth; he was there, so it will not be impossible for him to show an event that was mere between 20 to 50 years ago.

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So many posts in this thread are completly off topic, they have killed, for me, what otherwise was a lively thread. I hope the mods take note.

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Do you have a video recording of Allah revealing the koran to any body or are you still regurgitating the lies been told to you by other men?. . . . . .*yawns*

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@Aletheia: You forgot that The Arab Christians will be claiming that their Ghost speaks with them in Arabic?

What language does the Ghost speak with you; not nigerian language from your place of birth?

Allah, am sure will speak to me in Yoruba, since I do not speak Arabic fluently, unless He Wills to make a miracle out of the event. Nothing Impossible as long as it fits His Majesty, it is as good as done.

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@Mazaje: « #47 on: Today at 09:12:36 PM »

Surah Najm: Verses 2 through 4; Your companion has not strayed; he is not deluded;

وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى

{3} he does not speak from his own desire.

إِنْ هُوَ إِلا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى

{4} It is nothing less than a inspiration that is inspired to him

The same Arabic verb 'to inspire' used in the above verse has been used elsewhere to more explicitly refer to the Qur'an, for example:

"When you do not bring them a fresh revelation, they say, ‘But can you not just ask for one?’ Say, ‘I merely repeat what is inspired to me from my Lord: this revelation brings you insights from your Lord, and guidance and mercy for those who believe, so pay attention and listen quietly when the Quran is recited, so that you may be given mercy.’ " (Qur'an 7:203-204)

This gives further evidence that in Surah An-Najm, what is being referred to by being inspired is the Qur'an itself.

Moreover, Allah does not make any mistakes. The prophet made mistakes which the Qur'an itself identifies and corrects. How can everything the prophet said be 'divine inspiration / wahi' like the Qur'an, when he made mistakes such as the occasion when the prophet ignored a blind man in favour over the rich when preaching his message:

"He (the Prophet) frowned and turned away, when the blind man came to him. For all you know, he might have grown in spirit or taken note of something useful to him. But you go out of your way for the self-satisfied even though you are not to be blamed for his lack of spiritual growth! As for the one the one who has come to you full of eagerness and awe - you allow yourself to be distracted. No indeed! This [Quran] is a lesson from which those who wish to be taught should learn!" (Qur'an 80:1-12)

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This analogy has nothig to do with the FACT that those that wrote the kora go ALL their stories from the Christian and Hebrew scriptures. . . . .

Your evidence to show that any revelation came down in arabic is WHAT?. . . .Do you have any video recording of Allah revealing any part of the koran to mohammed? Why do you accept the claims and assertions of the people that wrote the koran and refuse to accept the claims and assertions of those that wrote the bible?. . . . .And no, Allah did not reveal anything to anybody, people sat down created Islam and all its proceeds and claimed that it was revealed to them from some God named Allah, but that is FALSE. . . . . . . . .

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@Noetic16: The OT says he shall be called Immanuel. Was he called Immanuel?

Lets accept that Immanuel means "God with us", just to go along with your idea.

We will then rephrase the OT Prophesy, thus; He shall be called "God with us."

Tell me who was called God with us in any Biblical verse. That will shut me up, quicker than you can write it down.

Then I will apologize to you for my ignorance. But if you cant, then the prophesy, as God with us or in original Immanuel format is unfulfilled.

Believe it or not.

Again, no one I know fits God with us, even Jesus who said in the Bible "My Lord is your Lord and He is One God". You do the math.

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Immanuel means "God with us" . . . . .who else personifies this statement other than Jesus?

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@Noetic16: I dont know what Immanuel means. But I know no one was called immanuel in the Bible. The prophesy did not say called what it means immanuel, it would have said it, and gave us the meaning. but it says shall be called immanuel. Who was called Immanuel was my question. Pease answer if you know. If you dont, its okay too because no one was called Immanuel. I am certain of it.

By the way what is the ghost teling you about all of the above and this one below:

1 Corinthians 1:10-12

I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. What I mean is this: One of you says, I follow Paul; another, I follow Apollos; another, I follow Cephas; still another, I follow Christ.

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what does the name Immanuel mean?

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Has anyone actually given a definition of what the Holy Spirit IS and how it works? How do you tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and you projecting our own thoughts as the holy spirit? Or worse, as we have heard stories of people who were informed by the Holy Spirit to do something horrible. In the in end what they took as signs from the Holy Spirit were really warning signs that they needed medical/psychological assistance.

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@Noetic16: Please tell me what the Holy spirit say about these:

Jesus Your servant who You sent?

Oh Israel, my Lord is your Lord and He is One God?

my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?

Let us know how the Holy Sprt come to say different from what the literal meaning of each is. just maybe we miss it.

Finally, somebody was to be Immanuel, according to the prophesy of OT, but no one was ever called that. Even in NT. Tell me who is and where I can find his or her being called that name, just one time, ever. The taste of the pudding, is in the eating.

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@Noetic16; « #37 on: Today at 12:40:42 PM »

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Oh I just bet you do. Jews and Arabs share the political, cultural and religious history of the middle east. There was no 'bible' for the masses for Mohammed to plagiarise in the 6th century. If he puts in stories about Abraham and all the rest, it's his heritage. The Jews don't own the patent on ancient middle eastern religious and political history. He didn't write the Quoran though. He had to commit all he was told to memory and issue them to others, some of whom recorded them on whatever was at hand, paper or the backs of camels. The Quoran came about much later, I think.

As for Biblical characters in Buddhism, I'll mention just one: a Middle Way Buddhist doctrine about Jesus and what happened on the cross. In brief, Buddhist masters are capable of making carbon copies of themselves, which they impose on the minds of crowds as their 'real' self, while the real monk may be hundreds or thousands of miles away in reality. They have an occult name for these 'manifestations' or puppets. There are divergent points of view. One of Buddhism's core doctrine is that 'God' 'Evil' 'Good' 'Demons'etc, are all in the mind. Everything is perpertual motion, and you are to passively play the part you find issued to you, be it king or pauper, without getting 'involved' or carried away by your 'role'; it all means nothing,. Everything is in unceasing motion  and all values and judgements and gods are creations of our minds. There are different realities you may occupy and different things you may be born as, from an animal to a demi-god. Nirvana is when you get to a state of the cessation of all this motion and are at peace. It isn't nothingness, but the end of 'cosmic motion'. Since Gods and demons and everything cosmic are a function of our minds, there can be no Son of God. Buddhists tend to view Christ as a great Master with powers enough to fool the crowd by substituting a 'puppet' who took the fall, while he himself was miles away controlling the action,in the tradition of Lamaist masters.

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by bible. . . I referred to the literal text which has no meaning to those who read for the sole aim of sarcasm and criticism.

by the word . . . I meant the bible scriptures living in you and making a meaning in ur personal life. This can ONLY be done by the aid of the holy spirit.

so how then should anyone read/understand the bible? by relying on the tutelage of the holy spirit. The holy spirit is definitely NOT jubril like u ignorantly proclaimed.

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^^^

Titus 1:15. Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

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@Noetic16: « #17 on: August 08, 2010, 07:57 PM »

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@Noetic16: « #24 on: August 09, 2010, 02:31 PM »

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The Bible is not to be interpreted. It is to be understood and understanding comes by divine revelation by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

All interpretations of the bible by any denomination or person are wrong. Can carnal mind understand God?

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@Mazaje: « #21 on: August 09, 2010, 06:49 AM »

Lets just assume that you accept there is God Who has Angel or Malaika named Gibreil or Jibril, which one is the authentic name of the angel or Malaika, since no revelation came down in English (Angel Gabreil) and revelation (Quran) came down in Arabic (MAlaika Jibril)? What did Moses call this entity that Muhammad (AS) called Malaika Jibril? What was his name in the language that Moses; coptic for sure when he lived in the house of Pharaoh, Medianite when he liked in Midean, and probably Hebrew when he began to interact with the people during exodus?

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IMHO, nobody can cuz the only logical probability is that they r all misinterpreting it,

after all, the bible was written by different men NOT BY GOD HIMSELF for which it would have been consistent with everything in

nature and will require no FAITH to believe in it as it will be so EVIDENTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH EVERY LAW MAN WILL EVER THINK OR DREAM OF.

MAZAJE WASUP?

LONG TYME!

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The protestants are the most polarized group in Christianity today, the division in that particular body is just too much. . . . . . . .

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^^

Seconded, I want to know what Buddhism has to say about biblical characters. . . . . . .

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Can you please explain to us in detail what buhddism has to say about biblical characters??

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Thats not my prerogative.

quite dumb. if jubril is the holy spirit, what are the other angels? are they "naughty" spirits?

read my post again,

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We're fine, thank you. How is yours? I trust they are well?

Exactly.

Do you have a thing for recycled argument? Will anything do, as long as you get to sound like a vaguely disgruntled atheist? It's like your own remixed version of The Who song: Meet the Old Discussion, Same as the New Discussion. You've got tons of good stuff. Spill that.

In practice Islam has little in common with Christianity and Judaism. It's something of a huge leap to decide references to a few biblical characters in the Quoran makes of the religion itself a plagiarised thing. It's not. There's much in the Quoran that is fresh and new, and much in ancient Islamic religious thought modern Christian and Judaist thought can't rival. Buddhism has something to say about biblical characters. There are all these complicated religious treatises. By your lights, that must mean modern Buddism is a plagiarised religion as well.  

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Well Mazaje, in MHO, it would be the protestants, to be precise, the reformers (Calvinists). Read articles by the reformers, find out in particular what happened, before, during and immediately after[b] the synod of dordt.[/b]

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well, the holy spirit knows that we are all different, with different understandings, with different minds, and we do not all understand the same thing at the same day. We have different backgrounds and all that. The bible, says one day we shall come to unity with the same faith.

But I want you to understand that people read the bible with different minds and they interpret the bible with their individual back ground. God understands but he is expecting us to live above that level. Its only a few that understand the things of God above their cultural background or already conditioned-mind. But then, God leads his people from one level to another until we come to one faith.

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So the copy cat religion of Mohamed also has a holy spirit called Malaika Jibril , eh? Hmmmm wonders shall never end ohhh. . . . . .Plagiarizing religious text is not enough for Mohammed and his deluded followers it seems. . . .

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@Noetic16: « #17 on: Today at 07:57:08 PM »

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^^^ it always baffle's me how quickly 'holy spirit' guidiance is mention by christains when trap in the closet. I think the 'holy' spirit that inspired bible in the first place is suffering from amnesia. To: mark is red, luke is black, mattew is round, john is square. . . . . . .

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Every christian interprets correctly, and none interprets correctly at the same time. That is the conundrum that is christianity.

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thank you.

but why cant you apply the above to the many cheats and fraudsters who lie in the name of the holy spirit?

no dude. there is no satisfaction in the bible but the WORD. . . . reading the bible without the guidance of the holy spirit is a fruitless exercise. but reading the word of God with the guidance of the holy spirit bears much fruit.

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@Noetic16: « #15 on: Today at 06:57:35 PM »

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If I say that "mazaje told me he is a dysfunctional person, who is both a fanatic muslim and an ardent atheist"

. . , A. does the fact that I claim to have heard from mazaje, mean that I actually did?

B. does my allegation change/influence the personality of mazaje? the truth about mzaje?

please be objective. . , the fact that people go about lying in the name of the holy spirit. . does not make God less credible. It only reveals the dishonesty of many.

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and how is Allah related to the bible?

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@Mad Max: « #10 on: Today at 07:24:03 AM »

On a lighter note, how are you Mad Max? How is the family? Long time and I wis you well.

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I share the views of mad max,toba&cold.

If explanations are given to the op, it still doesnt change anything. Why?

'Being an atheist, i have been critical of the bible as incorrect&i have said that the God the same bible thats being interpreted by christians differently doesnt exist'

If such is the view of the thread author, this thread is absolutely senseless. IMO

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Did you read the OP at all? I said many christians i know have very different views and interpretation of the bible, yet they all claim that they get their interpretation from the holy spirit. . . . . . . . .

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why not ask the author (Holy spirit) to interpret it for you?

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Many people do study the bible themselves, and still come out with very different interpretations, so your statement here is moot. . . .

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for an atheist whose mind on God&the bible is made up, this question is absolutely needless&senseless.Except if such enquiry is meant for the consumption of others. Once again, im with cold 100%

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The truth rests on you studying the bible for yourself.But i guess that would be too tough a task for you considering your mind is already made up.

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