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Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?

An Historical Query!

Islam asserts that Abraham nearly sacrificed Ishmael, while Christianity says it was Isaac that was taken to the mountain. Which historical account should we take, or what could be wrong with the seemingly conflicting claims.

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Amazing! this topic goes to the root and foundation that islam was birthed on the premises of falsehood, and am surprised our osamas are silently inactive here with a few given responses like they had breakfast from LAWMA vehicle. I want You osamas to come out here and debunk the facts as stated by the Christians here in reference to the topic stating historical facts viz a viz the promise or covenant in respect of the chronological lineages and descendants of both sons as stated by both books, surely one of the books must be a preconceived scam. There can only be one truth not two.

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Nonsense! what is the meaning of islam? submission? what do you submit? Many of the ismail party have submitted their reasoning. faculty. Mo is simply a successful fraud. x

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Point. of correction Mohammad was born 570 AD became a prophet around. 610 AD. The angel that revealed to him about 700 years later to rewrite scriptures must non other than. the devil.

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bible proves that jesus was doing

satanic action

how can we trust such a book

*bible says:thy only son isaac

*isaac is never the “only son“

*ismail is the only son

*bible agreed ismail as son

*chronological order (order of history)of bible is wrong

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Only SATAN could have come up with the logic that Ishmael was the one sacrificed.

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WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN AND WE HAVE TO INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD, SO IF WE FOLLOW THE SLAVE WOMAN AND HER SON WE WILL NEVER INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD INSTEAD WE HAVE TO BE THE CHILDREN OF THE FREE WOMAN TO INHERIT GODS KINGDOM.

PLEASE INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE IN THE SCRIPTURE GALATIANS 4:30-31

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GALATIANS 4 : 21-31

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,

you who never bore a child;

shout for joy and cry aloud,

you who were never in labor;

because more are the children of the desolate woman

than of her who has a husband.”[a]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[b] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

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WHY ARE WE ALL SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THE QUESTION "Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?"

THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS READ THE SCRIPTURE "GALATIANS 4 : 21-31" AND INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE

BECAUSE "THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SECRET OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS GIVEN TO YOU BUT NOT TO THEM" MATTHEW 13:11

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I think where the muslim got it wrong was in the language that God used calling the boy Abraham's only son.

Genesis 22:2

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Since Ishmael was the first, It was assumed God was refering to him as his only son. Probably before Isaac was born. But the truth of the matter was that God was refering to Isaac because Ishmael was not Gods plan, he was born of flesh, spiritually he does not exist as far as Abrahamic covenant is concerned, It was Isaac that was born of faith and the word of God. That is why God used the word "thy only son"

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ISAAC

Abraham was able to take ISAAC for sacrifice because he did not tell Sarah and Isaac about it. he told them they were going to offer a sacrifice to God and that God will provide the animal for sacrifice.

I have grounds to believe that it was ISAAC to be sacrificed because Isaac was the promised child borne to him in old age and with the promised child already born it will not have been hard for Abraham to sacrifice ishmeal.(GOD WANTED TO TEST ABRAHAM'S OBEDIENCE)

If Abraham did not find it hard to send ishmeal away on SARAH'S WISH why would he find it hard to kill him on GOD'S COMMAND?Huh??

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@Huxley and company: Lesson from the Great Trial of Sacrifice:

One of the things that the Hujjaj (the pilgrims to the house of God for Hajj) do on the 10th of Dhul Hijjah, and so do many Mu/sli/ms all over the world is to:

Slaughter a lamb, or a sheep, or a goat or a camel in remembrance of this great sacrifice of Prophet Ibrahim (AS).

This act is not mere a ritual but it has a meaning and a significance. Al/lah (SWT) has not commanded us to sacrifice animals because He (SWT) is bloodthirsty or meat hungry.

In Suratul Hajj, verses 36 and 37, He (SWT) has made it clear:

"Thus we have disposed them (animals) for your benefit so that you may give thanks." (22:36)

Then He (SWT) adds:

"It is not their flesh or their blood that reaches All/a/h. Rather it is your piety that reaches Him. Thus has He disposed them for your benefit so that you may magnify Al/la/h for His guiding you. And give good news to the virtuous." (22:37)

So what is the significance of offering sacrifice of animals on this day of Eid Al-Adha?

The answer to this question is simple.

A/lla/h (SWT) wants to train us to follow the path of Prophet Ibrahim (AS) who was willing to offer A/ll/ah (SWT) his dearest possession in form of his son Prophet Ismail (AS).

Al/l/ah (SWT) did not want Prophet Ismail (AS) to be sacrificed, but A/ll/a/h (SWT) wanted Prophet Ibrahim (AS) to show his willingness to (do away with worldly things and therefore acquire a greater relationship which is rewarding with his Lord) sacrifice Prophet Ismail (AS), which he (AS) did bravely.

Dr. Ali Shari'ati in his book, 'Philosophy of Hajj' writes and I quote:

"This is a story of man's perfection and his freedom from selfishness and animalistic desires. It is man's ascension to a higher spirit and loves, to a strong will that frees him from any thing that may hinder his responsibility as a conscious man."

In other words, A/l/la/h (SWT) is telling us:

On this day of Eid Al-Adha, you should select your Ismail and bring him to Mina! Who is your Ismail? Anything that is causing an obstruction for you to reach your Lord and fulfill your duties towards Him. Your Ismail could be:

Your wealth

Your job

Your rank

Your power

Your lust

Your greed

Your spouse

Your children

It could be anything and make sure that it is as dear to you as Prophet Ismail (AS) was to Prophet Ibrahim (AS).

As you are sacrificing an animal on this day, bear in mind that you are infact, sacrificing that dearest thing in your life and telling A/l/l/ah (SWT):

"O My Lord! Henceforth, this thing, which has been dearest to me in life, will not hinder me from reaching You and acquiring Your pleasure."

Imam Zainul Abideen (AS), talking about the significance of each and every ritual that is performed during Hajj, asked Shibli:

"As you slaughtered your sacrificial animal (during Hajj), did you intend to cut off the throat of greed (that is hidden in you) by clinging to the reality of Taqwa and to follow the exemplary tradition of Prophet Ibrahim (AS) who intended to slaughter his dear son Prophet Ismail (so as to discharge the command of Al/la/h)?"

Shibli said, "No!"

"In that case" said the Imam Zainul Abideen (AS) "You have not sacrificed your animal."

Similarly, whilst giving instructions to the Hujjaj (the pilgrims to the house of God for Hajj) Imam Jafar Sadiq (AS) said to them: "Cut the throat of carnal desires and greed by offering animal sacrifice."

We pray to A/l/la/h (SWT) on this great day of Eid Al-Adha to grant us with tawfeeq to follow in the path of Prophet Ibrahim (AS) and forgive all our past and future sins.

Source: http://www.almahdi.org.uk

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But the understanding is different in Is/l/am. God is all knowing. And God commands total submission to Him. In the sacrifice commandment on Ibrahim about his son Ismail, God knew the end before it began. But the test was to kill all worldly attachment that may be represented by this only son, Ismail to Ibrahim, a man in his old age.

By obedience to God in the attempted sacrifice, Ibrahim saw for himself the power of his Lord to ransome with goodness his obedience. He did not know that before, since he did not know the future. His son was preserved alive and the birth of Isiaq was revealed to him, including the birth of a grand child Yaqub, coming from Isaiq.

Ibrahim faith in God the Almighty must have increased manifolds, without a measure of it.

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Genesis 22: 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.

If god is omniscient, how come he did not know that Abraham fearest him and needed to put him and Isaac through this reprehensible ordeal just to find that out?

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DEAD. NO query at al. Mi bible tell me its Isaac so wot u on about?

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@Igbo_Lady: You are taking this stage names too far! Nwandolina? Woman its too much. If you dont stop, I will take your case to the council of the elders, where you have to bring Kolanuts, and all that will be needed to be brought. Or should I just tell Zainab to sue you in Owerri High Court?

Stop partial plagiarising of names. Its really unbecoming. Na today! lol.

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@ poster, you want to make me think twice.its isaac jo

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here it is

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-106556.0.html#msg1863031

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Hello all/Olabowale

I must say how I enjoy reading Olabowale’s write-ups, compared to other Great ones, you see his approach and maturity in dealing with issues even though highly misinformed, and not oriented to Truth, he takes his time to show and state the position of the Koran.

However I see the Biblical concept on Trinity is a bit of a hard nut for the Great ones to chew, and I have noticed how the issue of numerous writers of the Bible seem to create a stumbling block to them also.

To all Great ones, unlike the ‘claimed’ inspiration that only your Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) received (to unilaterally write out the entire Koran), it is not so with the Bible. The writers of the Bible, the different men were all moved by God to write out the content of the plan of God for man. The coalesce of all the write ups of the Bible can only be that it is truly divine as no disparity exists in their messages. Can you imagine 66 books from several men of the Bible all saying the same thing, attesting to the same person? A seamless continuity exists between the Old and New Testament; we have one echoing the other. All these number of writers all arriving at the same truth.

I wonder how The Great ones can be sure that Mohammed (PBUH) really did not plagiarize the Bible (kindly note, I am not saying he did), but objectively speaking, if you were not a Great one, would you not think that he did.

No one else but him only saw this vision of his, there was no one to collaborate this sayings, maybe he was hallucinating when he said he saw an Angel. The record of only one man must be taken with heavy scrutiny and subject to intense Laboratory test to ascertain it’s varacity, particularly, when as even the Koran says, where no witnesses exists.

Very Unlike the Inspired pages of the scripture where men from different generation all spoke concerning the same person, the same truth. Not only that, a lot of the things predicted have either been fulfilled or are all falling into place now and the coming future.

The words of Paul in scripture are as authentic as the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, because these words all originate from God. The Lord knowing this day will come told us already that “ no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will……”

Concerning the Trinity, The Great ones saying that it was not known in the Old Testament is untrue.

Just to mention a few things to you, I am sure you can verify it yourself, but in the Biblical account of creation in Genesis, the word translated ‘God’ in Genesis 1:1 is the Hebrew word Elohim, (as in Elohim created the heavens and the earth)This word is a uniplural word that should be translated the The ‘Gods’ created the heavens and the earth. The Hebrew word ‘Elohim’ is a Uniplural word. All three members of the GodHead were involved in creation. The Father conceived the plan; The Son accomplished creation (John 1: 1-3; Col. 1:16; Heb 1:2); and the Holy Spirit restored creation (Gen 1:2).

Another scripture of the old testament that attests to the plurality of God is found in Isaiah 48:16.

It is very true that the oneness of the Godhead was in focus in the Old Testament (ie His Essence) but in the Church Age which we now leave in, their individuality is now emphasized, because the church Age believer is united with Jesus Christ forever. Let me spare you doctrinal truths as you most certainly cannot bear nor understand them.

Jesus keeps on being The Way, The Truth and The Life.

Thank you.

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Olabowale you keep hammering on.

People could easily turn round to you and ask how could anyone believe the words of a man who married an 8year old child?

It wasnt a group of people who heard these words it was Mo-ham-ed alone wheres YOUR proof it was from God.

Look you need to deal with the fact that Judaism and Christainity have been here hundreds of years before Is-lam. Your religion is sooooooooo pure yet you still have certain sections almost identical to the Bible and Torah in your holy bok

Please stop this madness your not converting anyone here.

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It's obvious to everyone that Mo copied Bible passages and miscopied most when he wrote the ko'ran.

Haven't I showed you valid proofs?

Don't you wonder why he asked you to ask us when you're in doubt?

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@Davidylan: Below is dedicated to you. Enjoy. Please readall the way through. Your Paradise depends on this. maybe you leave what you are now, along with multitudes of people to safety in worship. Notice the Qur/anic verses from 99 t0 113 to see that Isaac was Jara to Ibrahiim after the sacrifice had been carried out. And how is it possible that God could have confirmed the news of the birth of isaac and even the later future news of his son Jacob and then turn around, just many years later to ask for the sacrifice of the infant at best Isaac? How will he be a father he was to be sacrifice as an infant? Would not it seems to anyone that it will not be possible for god to promise something and then demands in commandment the essential condition to make that thing impossible?

It also is surprising to see how such an infant could be a forbearing child, considering that 2 years are called terrible 2 and 3 years are called even worse. I have not been in that trade in a while, but you have never even venture there anyway. Only a teenage boy can be described as patient/forbearing, not an infant, David. Duh!

@~Lady~: You see how important the question asked about the age of Ibrahiim when the sacrifice was taking place? Afterall, he was 99 years old when Isaac was born and Ismail was already a teenager then. But more importantly, even before isaac was born, the news of his son Jacob was given to Sarah at the same time Isaac birth news was being given! You would then agree that God would not be asking for Isaac head when he was supposed to stay alive long enough to have a son named Jacob!

The Sacrifice Of Abraham: Isaac or Ishmael

Source:http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/MusTrad/sacrifice.html

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too many google and wikipedia entries. Where are the QU'RANIC sources?

That, my dear, is the key to unlocking this riddle.

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@Davidylan: You only have a lots of words, but short on substance. I know you can't fair better since all you have is the Bible! No wonder.

For a smart man, you are behaving foolishly. Common sense should have told you that Mu'slims do not rely on the Bible for anything. It is our reference book and we do not draw inferences from it. You should simply gone on google and type on the search: Ismail in Qur'an or specific aspect of subject you will like to know! Below is a partial information gotten from my search:

Ishmeal

[Quote]: isnt it funny that such details are CLEARLY ABSENT from the very qu'ran that is supposed to have come from his descendants?[/quote]

Your problem, David is that you have ignorantly overlooked the fact that Mu'hammad was a clear descendant of ismail (as), who you struggle to discredit. The Makkans are his apparent descendants, as well as the whole Arab people. The Qur'an staes that it is to warm the mother of the villages (town, city, place), whose people have not been warned before. Since the Children of Isaac through Jacob (we have now forgotten Esau; very typical of the jews and their sorrogate Christians to ignore first son, by hook or by crook; David are you the first son? If so be aware that somebody in the family is plotting your demise to usurp your place of honor! lol. But you are my friend so this is a leg up for you in warning), have failed in their effort to carry on the message of One God in a sincere manner, it is no surprise God took up the case with the true first son, only son at a time and a promise to be fulfilled through Mu'hammad.

But of course you are too lazy to check the Qur/an for facts. But you are never to slow to spew out the many lies you have been fed, from the "good book!"

[Quote]; uncle, what has the question got to do with jacob? Was he alive when the sacrifice was to take place too?

Are you so deluded and empty of excuses to cover for the qu'ran's many lies that you now have to resort to genuflecting?

You have indeed written a long epistle, what is glaring though is the clear lack of anything pertinent on the topic.[/quote]

Even though you were brief in your material responses, unfortunately each lacked substances. All you do is many questions upon others. When I mentioned jacob, it was not talking about his being alive at the time of the trial of sacrifice of his Uncle. But that he knew and saw his father's older brother. He also made sure that his own children knew about him, too. I know you couldn't get it by inference alone. I forgot to spell it out for you.

Below, in my next post you will see other materials about Ismail from the Qur'an. Then I will leave you alone to make good academic research on him. Lol.

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this is the story of isl'am.

This is evidently stolen shamelessly from the bible. What land of promise?

Why was this land the possession of the Jews and judaism for up to 4000yrs now? Is this why the "palestinians" and arabs are vehement on destroying the land of Israel today? Could it be because deep down you all know that as long as this nation lives it puts a blatant lie to the qu'ran?

here is the problem . . . this has no basis in the qu'ran.

ismail's name is not ONCE mentioned in the qu'ran's rendering of this story. Issac's name however appears at least TWICE.

The writer of this article has in the very same spirit of isl'amic deciet smuggled it in.

It also exposes another problem . . . what was al'lah's purpose for telling abraham to sacrifice his son? What is the qu'ranic significance of this "test"?

It is impossible for a slave to be an intimate friend of God. The qu'ran is in serious danger of contradicting itself in the shameless aim of copying the bible.

Thou man of deciet . . . this is how the qu'ran renders this passage - And when (his son) was old enough to walk with him, (Abraham) said: O my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee. So look, what thinkest thou ? He said: O my father! Do that which thou art commanded. God willing, thou shalt find me of the steadfast.

where is ismail's name mentioned?

Long tales . . . devoid of truth.

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- neither does the qu'ran have all you accuse the bible storytellers of not knowing. Where are the detailed stories of Ishmael in the qu'ran? The bible gives us a very accurate depiction of God's dealings with the jews for a good 4000 yrs with specific details and dates . . . where is all'ah's own story of his time with ishmael and his descendants? where are his prophets? who were his descendants?

Why do you expect the bible to contain tales of ishmael's desert yrs? The bible is only concerned with the history of those to whom the covenant was made (Isaac) . . . everyone else shld go find their own book.

isnt it funny that such details are CLEARLY ABSENT from the very qu'ran that is supposed to have come from his descendants?

uncle, what has the question got to do with jacob? Was he alive when the sacrifice was to take place too?

Are you so deluded and empty of excuses to cover for the qu'ran's many lies that you now have to resort to genuflecting?

You have indeed written a long epistle, what is glaring though is the clear lack of anything pertinent on the topic.

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The esteemed people who are not musl'lims, please read the below article, But please post your Biblical response so that I can read it, them. .

The Story of Ibrahim's sacrifice

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I'm sorry dear, this does not speak on the sacrifice but the covenant of circumcision. In this chapter God also told Abraham that Sarah was to give birth to Isaac.

In Genesis 21, God sends Ishmael and his mother away, as Sarah demanded.

In Genesis 22, God tests Abraham by asking him to sacrifice his son.

Ishmael was already gone.

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4Him welldone with your response to those deceived, gullible and confused believers in the Q'uran,

One can only pray that their eyes would one day be open to the truth that is staring them in the retina

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First of all, i would like all the christians to open their bible to Gen 17:7-14,24 Almighty God made an everlasting convenant with Abraham(pbuh), then He (Abraham) was 99year then, Isaac(pbuh) was not born then and God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his only son. The question now is, How old was Abraham when he wants to sacrifice his only son, Who is the first born son of Abraham, ?

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Moh@mmed was born 570 years after Christ. He modified the scriptures to suite his politico-religious agenda.

The book of Hebrews (written at least 500 years before Moh@mmed) corroborates the OT==>

Hebrews 11:17-19 -->

"By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son"

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abbgstar,

pardon me, but you left me all the more puzzled with your enquiry. There are a few questions I'd like to ask, if you don't mind:

(a) how does the verification help you personally - are you a believer (Muslim or Christian)?

(b) how do you hope to solve the mystery of your enquiry from a historical perspective?

(c) what is informing your enquiry - do you have something to share for our mutual benefit, or ___ . .?

(d) do you believe any other record in either books (Bible and Qur'an) - and why?

So many questions, but perhaps I might have something useful to share once you let me understand where you're coming from.

Kind regards.

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Like I said earlier, I'm only trying to see which event is historically valid. Most of what we call history are not objective reports of events as they really happened. Man will likely 'tilt' history to favour him. This is strictly my opinion. The Qouran was evidently written after the Bible and these two books are a great library for students of history. I would greatly appreciate it if we can approach the subject matter from an historical perspective devoid of our religious sentiment, if that is possible!

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At the end of the day almost both of them

Isaac with his own hand as god ask him to

And Ishamael by sending him away with his mother.

The bible tells us Ishamael almost died but God promised his Mother he will make of him a great Nation .

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I'd agree with you that it matters who was the son in particular that Abraham would have sacrificed. The answer determines who has been on the wrong track of life's journey: if Ishmael, then Christians got it wrong; if Isaac, then Muslims got it wrong. We both have our convictions of one or the other based on interpretations of the Bible or the Qur'an. You scored a good point by asking for historical verification as to who exactly could have been the 'son' in question.

At this time, I haven't thought much on it from the historical perspective - I've had reasons from the Bible itself to believe the son in question was Isaac. . . reasons which, if you so desire me, I'd be glad and willing to share. Perhaps also, if I come up with anything that sheds light on the historical antecedence, you'll read it soonest here. However, my faith is anchored in the belief that the prophetic significance is so overwhelming as to pass lightly for any other than Isaac.

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two books are from God. If they are truly from Him, and God, as I know Him is not double-tongued, then I care for some clarification on this historical anomaly . So if you can figure it out, please do speak out!

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i guess we should not be bothered about whether it was isaac or ishmael. the bottomline is that he nearly sacrificed his son.

the person involved doesn't matter as long as we know the significance of the whole story

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ishmael was the child he had with haggai i think. haggai was one of the maids. ishmael was the "illegitimate" child

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he almost sacrifice Isaac

where did ishmael come from?

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the qu'ran doesnt even support the muuslim fantasy that Ishmael was the son sacrificed.

In the chapter refering to this story in the qu'ran, Isaac is mentioned, ishmael is mentioned ZERO times.

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