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Is it only true muslim ladies? Who is a "true muslim man" that will surely join Allah in paradise/heaven whenever he dies? What are his qualities?

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Ti nba gbo oruko mi lemu iwo omo buruku yi mo. I ko ni nma kon mo e lori. Ipata amerika!

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Funmi's mind is clean (i mean baren), as snow that blubber of killed seal blood has stained. Orishi rishi. A girl who is dominatrix can ever have clean mind? Even he whip is stained with the blood of her victims. And what about her leather clothing and the steel high heeled shoes? All of them smell raw with blood. She is worse that the made up legend from bavaria; dracula.

She talks about Jesus as if she believes will approve any of her deviant behaviors! Omo buruku ni Funmilayo.

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I tire for the lady o.

I dont know why she still doesnt want to accept Islam after all the versesshe has been hiding under and laying claim to have been explained.

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This invitation to NY from you is very suspicious to me because you sound more like a Hot polygamist looking towards his next conquest. Religion is your new weapon now.

My boo will wrench your neck.

Let me understand this very well, Are you a slave to Allah?

Could it be because he was not a messiah?

Once again, is mohammed your messiah? Of what use is his coming unto you? Explain it to me in lay mans terms pleeeeeeeze.

You are confusing the natural with the supernatural and that is your greatest weakness. Rigor mortis, DNA etc operate in the natural and not the supernatural realm.

Again, Did Jesus not rise Lazarus from death? What happened to rigor mortis then?

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@Deepzone/Redhotchic

A must thread for you and when you are through, you may forward your questions to me and it would be answered since you claimed ignorance of the Quran and was even told in your church not to have anything with Islam. If you dont research it, how would you know the truth as your book says ,'know the truth and it would set you free' as 'God is not author of confusion' giving messengers different messages.

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-198177.64.html

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@RedHotChic: Where; only in the bush of Maryland. Down south!

Go to Big Cities: DC, because it is the seat of Power, you will find places where to acquire at least, "the English text of what a writer takes as the meaning of "Arabic Qur'aan." I have been inviting you to the Big City, the Big Apple, The glitz, The Neon Lights, The Big Broad Boulevard of Broadway, and am sure you can handle it "BUS LADI; lol." No wonder you dont know the difference between AlQur'aan and " "Bible." There are no similarities in them. If you see any convergence, it is only in characters alone. Read the story of Yusuf, in English text and then read it in your Bible! Its like the "deviant woman" compared to the woman still in Orile Kingdom, in Osun State. The osun woman is authentic, still. While the deviant woman in Maryland is "Fake!" She oti yee e?

And you wear all the Confetti's of Dominetrix to Church? Invite me. I want to have a good laugh.

Yea girl. Jesus is a pure and first class "slave Servant" of the highest order! You can only have one Master of Creation. And Jesus (AS) aint HIM. Even your Bible makes it clear, while it still manages to convolute it, later in other parts: Jesus begged, prayed, cried out to a Higher Authority, WHICH IS GOD, Allah.

Jesus was a messiah of the Children of israel, only temporarily, because he was the last of the "Tribal Prophets," and this messiahship ended up, until the advent of the Prophethood of Muhammad (AS), to all mankind. The Israelites are part of this race of mankind. No tribe of people is outside it. There is no reason for Muhammad to be named " Massiah" because it is now a NON-ISSUE.

Maybe, you Funmi, is still living in that confusion of on one hand calling "Mary, "VIRGIN,"", while on the other hand you claim that he had a husband, "Joseph" who slept with her and got her pregnant twice to deliver the "brothers of Jesus!" If you continue to call this woman "VIrgin," and by your own admission state that she delivered other Babies because of man, Joseph, sleeping with her, then, we see a clear opposing views in play in your mind. We can see it. But because of your unbelieving heart, you can not.

The above is the exact same thing about your hard nosed view of Jesus about being the "Messiah!" In truth, he could not be messiah more than the temporary period before Muhammad came and could not even then, at the time his Messiahship was in play more than outside the "tribes and nations of the people known as the Children of Israel!" I remember that Jesus declared his message is only to the House of israel. Omo Yoruba, nibo niwo ti je Omo Isireli? Ojoro iwo omode yi, o po ju!

Whats inferiority complex? Is truth inferioriy, now? When you read your Bible again and you get to where they did "death test," by spear to the side, you will know that blood flows out like drainage water! Like when you open the flood gates, it shot out. Then tell me if there is "Rigo Mortis!" And if you can't conclusively say that, the blood stopped flowing in his veins, then know that you can not conclusively say that he died. For when a person dies, the blood thickens, it does not flow as it used to be when the person was not alive and not dead.

Or can you? Step on the foot of your "demented clients" and if the skin breaks, you will see if the blood will not flow! lol. And when you whip them, and their skin bereaks, you dont see blood? Duuh. You are a bad dominitrix. You need to learn that job terrible job, well. I am not encouraging you. In a way am trying to discourage you. Maybe my style is unorthodox, but it may work.

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@Deepzone

You may not have similar passage in your book due to the work of the bible writers that edited, re-edited to suit their selfish purpose. Going through the bible, you would see that it has some passages, teachings similar to the Quran and come to think of it, there is nowhere Jesus called you christian or brought another teaching different from the one in existence and he even told you that he didnt come to annul any law but to fulfil it.

Come on baby, you can google out how Quran come into being and do same for the bible and you would realize the truth. Which Scholars wrote it?

Who are you referring to? No need of chipping in something to deceive people, truth stands from falsehood.

Where do you have the flawed concept and lets look at it together?

Firstly, I believe in Jesus as the slave and Messenger of Allah, sent to Banu Israel, children of Israel.

Secondly, he didnt die let alone resurrecting and didnt die for your sins at all.

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@Deepzone: You understanding of Jesus, is false. You can only find that understanding which you have in the Christian Bible. No place else. You will not find it in Jewish Bible, abi? If you find it in Torah, name your price. I will come to Maryland to give you your winning? Or you will come to the Big City, the place of glamour and neon lights, the Big Apple? lol. I know that you have never been to NYC, before.

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@Deepzone

Jesus is not for you unless you are a muslim. Jesus is a muslim as well as other prophets:

"Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit (become Muslims)." Sura Baqara (2:136)

"Surely the religion with (acceptable to) Allah is Islam (submission to His will) and those to whom (formerly) the Book had been given did not oppose (about Islam) but after knowledge (of Islam's truth) had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the revelation of Allah then surely Allah is swift at reckoning."

Sura Aal Imran (3:19)

"And whoever follows a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter." Sura Aal Imran (3:85

"He has made plain to you of the religion which He enjoined upon Noah, and that which We have revealed to you (Muhammad), and that which We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus, (saying): Establish the religion, and be not divided therein; dreadful for the unbelievers is that which you call them to; Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns (to Him) frequently." Sura Shura (42:13)

"And We did not send any apostle but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly;, " Sura Ibrahim (14:4)

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I repeat

I’m not asking others thing here just give me the five letter of the word –J-e-s-u-s in Aramaic word>>>The ‘J’ which one is the first letter in Aramaic word constitute the same title for that letter J’ jay.

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Since you are an Aramaic expert, can you translate "Samba" and "Deepzone" for me in Aramaic?

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DeepZone… I told you that the letter J ‘jay’ can not be found in Aramaic alphabet still you’re lacking evidence to put something here, just show us the five letter of the Aramaic word of J-e-s-u-s name by using those 22 letters of Aramaic script, You should provide evidence among those letter that I mention to you which is the letter J’ ‘jay’ to point where is that in the Aramaic Alphabet. And try to give us here constructive example to come out the five words of J-e-s-u-s name. this can clear us our ideological perception knowing that name of J-e-s-u-s is really an Aramaic word which can be constructed/figure out among those letter in Aramaic alphabet.

Do you think is difficult to pick up those five letters in Aramaic alphabet ? I will not asking you others name only the five letters –J-E-S-U-S that is enough evidence you need to probe us here.

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I feel so sad reading d various posts on dis nd other threads,Nairalanders pouring insults nd abuses on demselves nd most unfortunately d prophets of d most high God themselves.Kai,u all need to be reminded dat wat u post here may definately outlive u there's great responsibity to all dis - i humbly call for caution nd moderation cos under d laws of God there's no such thing as a free thought or speech his helpers r recording every act nd will have to be accounted for here on earth or there.CAUTION my brothers nd sisters.Peace

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DeepZone…my dear… the Jesus you’re calling is not an Aramaic language that this name exist you might misinterpret how you call this name. try to see those alphabet of the Aramaic if you can find the Letter ‘J’ ‘jay’ within among those written letter in Aramaic and figure it out how come that this name Jesus are you calling are not found in Aramaic word. Aramaic is the sister language of Arabic…a little variant in pronunciation you can hear about that as you voice out the name of Isa(Jesus) in Arabic and Isou in Aramaic sound familiarity when you hear about it.

Yes we quote some words in your bible, to give piece of information in some instances where people like to misquote of it by interpreting the wrong meaning. This thing can clear us the argument by presenting such constructive word from your holy book.

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Because y'all misquote our holy book and refer to Jesus as Isa.

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@babs

May Allah reward u.

@David

Why are u guys always scared and too bothered about muslims quoting from the bible and talking about Jesus. If we were in a Jewish forum, we wud still use the Quran and the OT. Allah did not leave stone unturned in Islam.

I also read in some of ur posts that muslims copied the bible? Ask urself this simple question: What is in the bible to be copied?

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@Davidylan

You have been serving the junk in your section but had to reply when you came here to register your ignorance. You should have posted it in your section if you dod not want me to read.

Are the questions too hard for you? You claimed that your God Jesus is still the as the ONE that created heaven and earth including your Jesus and had to ask you those questions. I learnt that your God is immortal but how come he died on the alleged cross, crying 'My God why has thou forsaken me and finally gave up the ghost?

Boy, I can never be bored in the sense that it happened to be my first holy book to be read, still reading and would continue reading same because it is what you believe in. So I use what you believe to discuss with you. Besides, I need to have knowledge in both books abi no be so?

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He is not a Muslim and would have known that from his posts. He keeps making denials without Quranic verse, Hadith to back same up.

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why are u so obsessed about "lies" IN THE BIBLE? Must you hypocrite read it?

How does the above affect Allah?

Yoou decietful man, cloaked in the veil of hypocrisy and evil . . . TRY TAKING DOWN QURANIC VERSES FOR A CHANGE. Are you not tired of forever running to the bible?

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NIMSHI PLEASE STOP DECIEVING URSELF? U WUD DESTROY UR ISLAM THIS WAY!!! U ARE DECIETFUL, U OPENLY DENY FACTS. STOP IT. STOP BEING MISCHEVEOUS AND COME OUT FROM UR HIDING PLACE. IF U ARE A MUSLIM U NEED TO RE-READ THE QURAN OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!

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@DEEPZONE: « #97 on: Today at 12:43:24 AM »

Aburo. Se iwo o ka nkon ti mo ko ni ko to fun mi lesi? Where did I say I do not have assurance in my piece? A person who is not arrogant, but humble with a good dash of humility, does not in any way translate to unassuredness. Your christian blind heart will not let your mind comprehend this, since your inner eye can see anything good.

InshaAllah, I am a people of paradise. Without any doubt. My prayer, my worship, my living and my death are all for the pleasure of Allah Tabaraka wa Taala. Look, baby, if i have 100 T Pound Sterling, and more, I will spend everything for the pleasure of my Lord. I will ask Him to give me more so that I can spend all for His pleasure. That will include when I eat good food, and all the best that this life has to offer. All of that including my life, for His pleasure.

Jesus can never guarantee anything, and certainly, he could never have assured you of any Paradise. All that was just wishful thinking because of Christian Ignorance. I am very certain of that. Your statement about him being a means of assurance for your success in the day of judgemnt, is like your denial of him as a "jihadist" when he said in your Bible that they should bring his enemies, and be "slayed" before him? Peaceful, indeed. Just the same way he was an assured path to "heaven," while he cried out; "my God (not my father, not my comrade, not my alter ego, not my coequal, not my associate,etc) my God, "why" (questioning in this case is a sign of disbelief) has thou forsaken me?

Funmi darling, can your equal in authority has the power to forsake you? Ma pami lerin. And what happened to my email to you?

Regular comedian. Se you now appear on Comedy central? Or is it BET? My relationship with Allah is not uncertain. Remember that your Bible says about Christians, that Jesus said not all who calls him lord, lord, will enter "heaven!"

Maybe you will be waiting for "rapture" and die waiting. I am certain it will never come! Just like Jerry Fahwell. O je jawo kuro ni apon tio yo. Ko gbomi la kanoo. Sisi Funmi.

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So you don't have any ASSURANCE that after bowing down and using your kneel to scrape the floor all your lifetime, you'll get to Allahs paradise?. Allah may decide to dump you at the last minute and replace your spot with David Dylan, right?. Thank God Jesus assured mine and paid my price on the cross.

Jesus offers [b]Assurance of salvation and not HOPE. Hope is dependent on how it plays out. You could be dumped like Hilary Clinton at the last minute.

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@PeperSprAY: « #91 on: Today at 07:17:29 PM »

Islamic paradise is by the mercy of Allah. When I said I am not "righteous," it means I humble myself before the Most Merciful. the Most Forgiving. It is a sign that I seek His Mercy and Forgiveness, without being arrogant, full of pride of any "good deed," that imay know that I have done. The spirits of humility and humbleness, are not in your Christian Books. I know. I talk to a bunch of your type, everyday.

Your ignorant assumption is tiredsome. I do not worship Muhammad (AS)! Unlike you who worships a mere mortal, I know tht Allah is the Only One deserving all my worship, in the way Muhammad, His Messenger and Prophet (AS) have instructed by His Commands, in Islam. Shio. lol. I had wanted to say that for the longest. You gave me the opening. Your ignorance of Islam allows me to educate you and thank Allah that I am not a non-muslim!

My name is hope. i live on hope in the Mercy and Forgiveness of Allah. What are you talking about, oh you disbelieving soul? Now you allow me to come hard on you. Maybe your eyes will be wide open like that of the "bush baby!"

Ignorant talk. If Jesus offers hope, what does Father offers? Its got to be different. Should it not? Afterall, Father is more powerful than Jesus. If Jesus offers hope, what does Holy Ghost offers? It should be different than what Jesus offers. Afterall, he is a different nature, since he is unseen and did not get nailed on the cross. PererSprAY, you are some funny dude. Thanks for making me laugh by this post.

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Why are you confusing yourself? Did even Jesus, a Prophet of God, not reproach the one who called him 'good'. And 'good' is even a lesser quality than 'righteous'.

If you want to argue, do so sensibly.

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i dont have a problem with comprehension, you on the other hand are a flat out confused hypocrite.

I notice that for all the moaning you have CONSISTENTLY REFUSED to explain the contradictions - is music haram or halal in islam? Rather you prefer to dance around, brandishing decietful rhetoric.

What "light" is there to see? Its not as if u're determined to let me see it.

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@PePERspAY: « #85 on: Yesterday at 06:21:12 PM »

Show me a line where I incinuated that I am a"righteous man?" But I hope that I am not an always a horrible man, either. What you will not find in my value is Disagreeing with Qur'an and Muhammad (AS)!

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@David-the liar

Have you been there lately or here with your hogwash?

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As you might have noticed, I don't waste valuable time with people like you.

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you people are just hypocrites. there is a thread on this same board of yours with MUSLIMS discussing their favorite islamic music! Which is it? Is music haram or halal in islam?

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I thought the quran said something about judging others. Are you a righteous man?

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And there is a group of people who claim they are Muslims. But in everything they do, their actions, their speeches, their deeds are conclusively opposite of this claim of theirs. These people are called Hypocrites. Their conditions are worse than that of the outright disbelievers, because of their deceitfulness. Their hearts are filled with gimmicks and insincerities.

I pray that I and others dont come from this group of Muslims. Amin.

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Yes, he knows a lot about Islam and has been demonstrating it in most threads.

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I wonder how you concluded that I ran? So when anyone says another is a time waster, it will mean that the speaker ran away from the time waster, according to you? Only a strange mind at work: PepERSprAY!

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@Nimshi: Hopefully, Allah willing, this will be my last entry to your "shenanigan; a lack of sincerity conversation," that you are holding. You think you can fool anyone with your "nuevo Islam, which it in itself is pointing towards endictment on you." Many Muslims and me, on this forum probably have an inkling about your religious leaning: God do exist you know.

You can ask questions and get a direct answer. But when you are asked. we see you swinging the pendulum so far, that by the time it comes back, we already forgot the reason we were talking to you: you think.

Hadith is authentic, based on its chain of narators; their possibility to be around the Prophet (as) at the time of the event that they are narating a hadith on. For example, Aisha (ra) could not narate an ahadith that the tone will lead any to think that she was alive at the time that the prophet (as) was in the care of a wet mother, in the community of Bedouin, outside Makka. Ahadith that is also narated by person who could have met the prophet, but no possibility to have met him alone, whereby he was the only person to have known about this ahadith, will also be regarded as weak or impossible. Finally, an ahadith that goes against Qur'an, which in actuality the character and expected demeanor of the Prophet (as), who was described by his wife, (aisha ra), as a walking Qur'an will also be false.

Let me now give you a contemporary understanding: If a person tells you that they see me walking the street, with lipsticks on, wearing skirt and blouse, with the physical features of a woman, and if you and all persons who know me in a greater sense, have also known me from youth as a man, and nothing less. If the person who was with me at the time described the story teller about my being outside as a woman knows that I was at hope, in the company of guests, then it is important that those who know my character to say that the story of the person lacks authenticity. It is a sure thing that the friends who know me enough to vouch for my character can safely say that the story about me passing up as a woman would be false.

We in Islam know from the Qur'an the possible charactistics of Muhammad (AS). We know that he could not have gone against Qur'an. Any ahadith that lend any information towards him going against Qur'an will therefore be false! And will not be authentic. All that are narated by person who could have been around him,in company of others or by himself, and those who also have many chains of narators, and of course agreeing with the Qur'an, those are what is posible to be authentic.

Good bye Nimshi. You seem to be a time waster. I do not have the time to waste.

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Muslims and Music: foward to Modernity

Nine musical heavens

Self-described as "folk music for the 21st century," Niyaz is an exciting fusion of traditional Middle-Eastern, South Asian, and contemporary Western musical styles that redefines the world music platform and sets a new standard for global trance.

By Jehanzeb Dar, October 18, 2008

Musically speaking

In the mystic garden where romance emanates in every bloom, even Beauty is difficult to see when the Beloved is separated from the Lover. The clouded skies and rainstorms loom over the night, but the Lover still plays his song for the wounded flowers and silent spring-fountains. Left alone in an estranged land, he continues to sing, sending his longing out to the world so that his sorrow may echo into eternity. Maybe someday, the painful state of his exile will bring back the Light that once shined upon his rose garden. But in his relentless tears and heartbreak, little does he know that the Presence of Beauty is Eternal, and that Angels listen to his yearnings with compassion. One yearning he has, and that is reunion, if he were to yearn at all. One desire he has, and that is reunion, if he were to desire at all.

This kind of vivid imagery comes to mind when one is entranced by the incredibly captivating music of Niyaz. Self-described as "folk music for the 21st century," Niyaz is an exciting fusion of traditional Middle-Eastern, South Asian, and contemporary Western musical styles that redefines the world music platform and sets a new standard for global trance. Led by the hauntingly beautiful vocals of Iranian-born songstress, Azam Ali, and accompanied by multi-instrumentalist Loga Ramin Torkian and synthesizer programmer Carmon Rizzo, Niyaz not only blends East and West, but also bridges the ancient and the modern with profound mystical poetry from the Islamic world.

Their new album, Nine Heavens, marks their second release and continues to explore the heart of Islamic mysticism, or Sufism, as well as the much-needed bond between the East and the West. The album opens with a fun track titled Beni Beni, where Ali sings in Turkish. It is a traditional Sufi song about humankind longing to be united with God through Love - a prevalent theme in Sufi literature and teachings. The song is very festive with wonderfully complex instrumentation and joyous vocals which makes it the perfect introduction for the album.

The pulsating and bass-thumping tabla on the second track, Tamana, makes it the most cinematic track on the album, and although the Urdu lyrics sing of sorrow and lament, it is also hopeful and healing. Feraghi is an impassioned Farsi song about exile and it features traditional Persian melodies merged with synthesized brilliance by Rizzo. It is a song of separation, of abandonment, of being left alone without any compassion, and desperately longing for return. Ali's performances, whether in Turkish, Urdu, or Farsi, are elegantly unique, and much of that may be due to her exposure to diverse surroundings - she was born in Iran, but raised in India and the United States. In other words, her singing style is not distinctly Persian, Indian, or Western, but rather an exceptional creation of her own.

The violins on Allah Mazare are gorgeous and resonate with orchestral flair, while the ecstatic pace of Molk-e-Divan blasts with beautiful percussions and brilliant guitar and saz performances by Torkian. The Farsi lyrics on Molk-e-Divan and Sadrang were written in the 13th century by Amir Khusrau of the Indian Subcontinent, who is often credited as the "father of Qawwali music" - traditional Sufi music found predominately in South Asia. Ishq and Iman are beautiful Urdu tracks; the former was written in the 18th century by Khawaja Mir Dard and sings about God's endless Love: "Tere Ishq main humne kya kya nahi dekha?" That roughly translates as "What have I not seen in Your Love?" Iman is the slowest and most ambient track on the album, and Urdu lyrics translate as: "Do not despair, for God is always there."

With so many stereotypes and misconceptions about Islam, Middle-Easterners, and South Asians, Niyaz is more than a breath of fresh air. It serves as dialogue and it reveals a side of Islam that we don't often see in the mainstream media. For too often, the achievements and contributions of Islamic civilization has been ignored and neglected in American high schools; hardly anything is learned about the profound poetic works of Jalaluddin Rumi or Rabia Al-Adawiyyah, the mathematical breakthroughs of Mohammad Al-Khwarizmi, the inspired leadership of Salah Al-Din, or even the medical discoveries of Abdallah ibn Sina. Instead, only European history is taught, along with Greek philosophies and European innovations, while Islamic history is either not discussed or vilified. Niyaz fills in many of those forgotten areas and introduces us to the extraordinary realm of Islamic poetry, music, and culture, a refreshing contrast to what we see on the daily news.

Throughout the album, the music stimulates the listener with feelings of joy, sorrow, and yearning, and it transports them into an unseen realm - a place deep within our hearts and souls. With the sound of 13th-18th century Sufi poetry fused with magnificent vocals that carry us beyond, classical instruments of the Islamic world, and modern synthesizer ingenuity, Niyaz opens so many doorways in the human imagination and liberate listeners to travel wherever their hearts desire.

Nine Heavens is not just a celebration of Islam's mystical culture and diversity; it is also a bridge between the old world and the new. It is a union of the ancient and the modern, the East and the West, and it is one great song of the human soul - its longings, its joys, its pains, and its calling to the Divine. As we listen to Nine Heavens, we learn that in every drum beat, in every string that is plucked, and in every word that is sung, the name of Love is enamored, wholly and purely.

Jehanzeb Dar is a Pakistani Muslim-American, a student, writer, and filmmaker who dwells on issues of Faith, Love, and Spirit. He currently blogs at Islam on My Side.

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Nimshi: What was said about Prophet Muhammad was that he took "bayyah; allegiance" of the women without touching their "hands." This was an example of his (as) not touch the women who were not permissable for him to touch.

Read the original entry again. It did not say that he did not touch any woman before, or ever. He was a Romantic. (AS) touched his wives, Children and those who were permissable for him to touch. A young cousin before she is aware of sexuality was not forbidden. Even a strange female, who is just new born or even older beforethe age of sexual awareness. Those are not forbidden and can not be classified as "sensuaous women!"

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@Nimshi

So this is your own Quran and Hadith, ehn?

Even if a million so called muslims decides to be musicians, does that make Music halal in Islam?

You used to post intelligently, your recent posts are degrading, to say the least.

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@Nimshi

Since you are so fond of making denails that lacks intelligent reasoning, I hereby pose to you, the sayings of the four Imams with regards to Music.

See him asking a foolish question. In case you don't know, her real name is Bukola Elemide, popularly called a 'guitar girl' and some of her tracks among all are, jailer, fire on the mountain, bibanke, orisa bi iya kosi.

Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This hadeeth indicates that ma’aazif are haraam, and ma’aazif means musical instruments according to the scholars of (Arabic) language. This word includes all such instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 11/535).

‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: T[b]he daff is haraam, stringed instruments are haraam, drums are haraam and flutes are haraam. Narrated by al-Bayhaqi, 10/222[/b]

Now, the sayings of the four Imams with regards to Music in Islam

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Everything you've written here is history, which is sth to read and remember, and – don't forget this – apply. To make an application, an understanding of context is important. If you want to copy what he did, you must also remember the context. The context, that context, is irrelevant to your wish to have me make a declaration for your benefit. You ought to stop seeking it; just drop it; you're not going to get it. And, remember: there's a difference between recalling and thinking things through.

For the first time in a long time, you're qualifying a thought of yours: congratulations are due. First: you have imposed a condition that was previously absent: that the Hadith is authentic; that, my friend, makes a world of difference. I now ask you: what re the conditions for accepting a piece of Hadith as authentic? If you could answer the question unambiguously, then you'd save us all a lot of time and bandwidth.

Ok, since you've asked somewhat nicely, here it is; it's really simple. The report by Aisha is not necessarily false; this is Sunnah, and it is admirable. Is the claim that the Prophet "did not touch the hands of any woman"? No! Of course, it is absurd to claim that the Prophet did not touch the hands of any woman; or, would you consider it reasonable that a man does not touch the hands of his wife? So, you must modify the claim to protect it from attack: say, the prophet did not touch the hands of a woman not his wife, or sth like that. To write that the prophet did not touch the hands of a woman is – as is – false and untrue. Simple as pie, no? I thought you'd be forced to think a little bit; apparently, you couldn't be forced to think: you're pretty good and vomiting things you've read and crammed; same for that miserable fellow who goes by babs787 on this board. And may Almighty Allah forgive you both for the injury you have attempted to bring on my screen name.

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@Nimshi:

Umar ibn Kattah (RA), the second kalifah of Islam, organized a public demostration to let people of Makka know that he is a mulsim. This was a turning point in the history of Islam in Makka. I do hope that there were two Umars that Allah's Messenger (AS) prayed that one of them will enter Islam to benefit it. The other was Abu Jahl, who happened to be a relationship of the Prophet (as), and died in the battle of Badr as a disbeliever.

Nimshi, if you are non-muslim, its no problem and its not a skin off anybody's nose. The point we continue to make is this: show us, any proof that goes against an authentic ahadith about the prophet?

He was reported by his wife, Aisha (RA) that he took allegiance of the women, without touching their hands, while he touched the hands of the men. Now tell us an example wher he touched the hands of the women when he took their allegiance? If you can't, then stop talking without what you are completely Ignorant off, as you are an expert.

Ko raa e sowun fun mi, Nimshi.

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You have a basic reading comprehension problem. My response to poster mukina ought to have enlightened you on the details of the subject you're still commenting about. But being a person impervious to facts and discussion, you keep drooling like a bigot who's exhibiting the early stages of dementia. Beyond Islamin education, you lack the basic faculty of considering things you haven't memorised; that's all such a pity, because you probably have the potential for more. It iwll now be a waste of time and bandwidth to continue discussing this matter with you. When you have considered my comprehensive response to mukina, you may return to write reasonably.

Many of your posts are meaningless drooling. My spat with you on Mut'a Marriage shows you're impervious to facts; what can one do with that? I'd rather have a conversation with a piece of rock.

You're unable to seee the contradiction in the above, eh? Only a thoroughly confused mind like yours could spew forth such garbage.

You know Asa's music, eh? How do you know it? Have you listened to it? So you know the answer to the infantile questions you're asking, so then, go ahead and submit your opinion. Or, go ahead and open a thread on music in Islam; make it your objective to show that a Muslim ought not to listen to Asa'a music.

What's the meaning of "I'm proud to be a Muslim" other than it being an exposure of an inner inferiority, just as when you hear "I'm proud to be black"; the point isn't so subtle, but one could be almost certain you won't even understand it. And, how does a refusal to make a declaration of faith on a discussion board equate to being ashamed of faith? No, I'm not submitting to your questioning because you matter not; you don't like it, that's your baggage.

And I see you're still writing that it is correct to say that the Prophet never touched the hand of a woman. Again, I will advice that you modify the claim for it to be watertight. Because you're unable to reason this through, I don't think you're worth the fallen fur of a beloved pet.

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@Nimshi

I can't stop laughing at your ignorance because to me, you have made yourself a clown with your DENIALS that lacks intelligent reasoning.

You may tell others that you are a muslim but please don't DO THAT with babs because your half baked Islamic education would be exposed.

You may read my post 2515 where I exposed your denials.

Now to your posts

I am not perturbed by your vituperation. You may cry your head off till tomorrow as far as Babs is concerned. I asked you simple but direct questions in my posts but you went other way telling rooster and bull story.

You don't just argue without Quranic verse, Hadith or Nimshi's book to back it up and I have told you several to back your denials with facts and not just story telling.

So you have forgotten that you indirectly did that? In case it has escaped you, this is part of your quote in which you are denying now:

The above happened to be your quote when I said:

You may save your face by explaining the above to me.

Also I posted this:

But you still went ahead thus:

Do you care to tell me the meaning?

I will be happy if you would open a fresh thread for that proving Quranic verses and quotes from your supposed scholars and you denials that lacks qurNanic verses.

I asked you questions on Asa's music but you never replied and in case you missed, here are they again:

1. What kind of music is her music ( i.e country music, hip hop, reggae, rap etc)?

2. Is the instrument being used in her music allowed in Islam?

3. What does her music teaches?

When you provide your answers, we look at kind of music in Islam and permissiblity of music in Islam and is

In case you don't know, I know Asa so save your face with your claim.

I gave you open challenge that you should go through my posts since I joined NL and go contrary to my posts if you thiink you can and back you DENIALS with Quranic verses and Hadiths

You may search through my ID and counter me with regards to Hadith and Quranic verses supplied.

I am not suprised at your hogwash because funny enough, you make denials but couldnt provide even an ayah to back your claim.

Still on whether the prophet touched a woman or not which you called a lie and still claimed that you didnt call him a liar (may Allah have mercy on you).

If I should educate you and put aside your usual story telling, Hadith are words of the prophet which I presented to you and you called it a lie and still had the audacity to ask me if you ever did that? Do you read for understanding or mischief making?

Now to bring you out of your darkness, since you call the hadith presented lie, do you care to show your isnad showing that it is false and if you couldnt do that and you still couldnt provide your source where he did as you claimed, then you should accept that you are the biggest ignoramus here.

Point of correction, I have not claimed to be an authentic Muslim but still learning. I have provided you Quranic verses which you went against and claimed you didnt call the words of Allah, lie.  If you are a Muslim, then you wouldnt be having problem with the articles of faith which one of them happened to be 'to believe in His books' in which you denied and still asked me where you did that having given you where you did that. Kai, this one na serious matter o.

I don't run from pillar to post as you inferred but showed you where you happened to be ignorant of Islam and even told you to go through my posts where I supplied Quranic verses and counter same.

I asked you questions but you feigned ignorance and here they are again

1. What is her brand of Music (In case you don't know, I know Asa and know about music).

2. Is her kind of Music allowed in Islam?

3. What is the stand of Islam on Music?

4. Is her way of dressing allowed in Islam?

5. What does her music teaches?

I had to repeat that because you may stylishly ignore it.

I am not even moved by your quote above. I have given you Hadith to back my response and you should now save your face by giving me NIMSHI'S HADITH running contrary to my post and NOT USUAL SENSELESS DENIALS.

I can't even say you are a disgrace to Islam but a confusionist in which you would never succeed. I can't imagine someone who is ashamed of his faith. I AM A MUSLIM and proud to say that.

You don't have to tell me that when you have been making denials here and has not been able to back it up wiith Quranic verses of Hadiths.

Once again, don't just make denials but back same with Quranic verses and Hadiths.

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@Nimshi and all: « #65 on: Today at 03:34:00 AM »

O you who believe! Do not make haram the good of things which Allah has made halal for you, and do not transgress; indeed, Allah does not like transgressors. (5:90). Accordingly, if someone does not accept the commands from the Book of Allah, nor consider them binding, he is a mushrik (As we know concerning Allah's sole right to legislate the halal and haram for His servants, anyone who disobeys or disregards the explicit command of Allah Ta'ala is considered a mushrik or an associator).

Oh people, if it is true that you have "faith" be conscious of your actions, for they are what you hold in your hearts. I do not have to be married to my cousin, but I will not disagree with a person who is married to a cousin, either. When a person cherrypick the Book of Allah, agrreing and disagreeing with what pleases him/her, disparaging the prophet's (AS) unique qualities and actions, these are signs of "hypocracy or total disbelief" of the heart. Lets watch our hearts.

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Good.

Well, if you say so. . . I got it all laid out in my most recent direct response to yours.

No victim; the comment may no thave been appropriate to your posts, but there are others here who have gone far ahead to make suggestions fitting the description of "smear"

No one could reasonably make that claim from anything I've written. My refusal to answer does not mean I am not; the only valid claim would be that I haven't identified/declared myself as one; I'll expect that you'll see the difference.

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@nimshi

All you have explained is very clear. You have refused to answer, not evaded the question. And if you take time to read my post, I have answered your questions.

Again, a question is not the same thing as a smear, stop trying to play victim here.

Hopefully, people who wrongly refer to you as a muslim read your post!

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the thread is becoming more personal than logical

i think you guys should slow down and take a breather and get back to the discussion

forego personal issues pls.

let peace reign

i pray the peace of God enters your hearts and give you hearts filled with love.

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ayinba1: I got redirected from another thread. Here: you claim that I have not answered your questions; but have you answered mine? If you want straightforward discussion from this point on, consider this below:

1) Were I to give you an answer, would the amears stop? Would you (and others) not ask me to prove it? Would you stop imputing bad motives to anything I write? (Those are three questions). Will babs787 and Olabowale do too? Will the others do too? I sense I may have to begin defending whatever I write once I legitimise your first question by answering.

2) I want to tell you that I am not evading the question. "Evade" is the wrong word. Here's what I am doing: I am refusing to answer. Is that clear?? I refuse to answer because for a number of reasons, among which are (a) I don't see why I should make a declaration of faith to any of you here (b) were I to answer, would that stop you people from asking for further proof? I don't mean to be condescending, but if you understand the logic behind identities on discussion boards, you'll get it. If for example I say: "I am Abcde Fghi"; why should anyone believe me? The next logical questions will be to begin an examination of whether the claim is true, and given that we have different views on important matters (e.g. Mut'a marriage), I don't think there's any assurance that I'll ever be able to convince you guys; this is the reason I refuse to go on that road at all. It's all too easy for anyone to declare "I'm a Muslim", or "I'm a Christian", or "I'm a Buddhist"; but I refuse to make any declaration because I don't consider it important. Matters may be different were we to meet in person, in which case you'll probably not have to ask

3) People who have been observant (like yourself, at least here), will note that I have not declared to be Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, or other; you know that; so why are you bothered by David's assertion to the contrary? You can't tell David I'm not a Muslim (and I don't think you would or should), but you could point it out to him that I haven't declared myself on this board to be a Muslim; I may not conform to anyone's preconceived notions, but either way, I am not robbed of whom I am.

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More responses to poster babs787:

I agree it's not a big deal; but I made that statement because someone did accuse me of not using Arabic words and not making references. Knowledge and its application are both important, but more important are the understanding of principles behind what is knowledge. In the real world, there're many issues outside what is written in Al Quran and reported Haddiths and Sunnah; you don't get everything from cramming and reciting.

I had written that you bring disgrace to Islam. To the extent that you're unable to reason on very elementary matters, that claim remains true. Let's deal with a present example: "The Prophet never touched the hand of a woman". This claim, as written and presented, is false. If I find you in any company attempting to affirm this statement, I'll simply take you as an arrogant ignoramus, and anyone with any sense should too. For it to be true, you need to refine the claim; yet, here we are, wasting time and bandwidth discussing this very straightforward thing. Since you claim to be Muslim, and you fail to reason in the simplest matters, you bring disgrace. How's that difficult to understand? When cramming Hadiths, and Sunnahs, always make sure you employ your thinking faculties; and don't ever make a claim that's easy to show as false.

Look, babs787, you're who you are; if you have any issues with my views, why don't you start threads with clear/focussed topics and let's examine them? I've no use of your running from pillar to post about issues discussed elsewhere (you've mentioned Mut'a, say, on threads different from the original thread). Your purpose appears to be to claim you're the authentic Muslim; then, get ahead with it. The way to do it is to present issues. For example, you've mentioned sth about the permissibility of music in Islam because I recommended that another poster should listen to Asa's music; why don't you start a thread and lay your argument, and let's see whether my recommendation was unIslamic and designed to mislead?

You also keep repeating this thing about the claim of the Prophet not touching the hand of any woman; on this point, I, again, say, you're a disgrace to Islam and logic. Why would you continue to argue that?

When you have an issue, state it clearly, and succintly; if you write a long, rambling post, or spam the borad with cut/paste stuff, I can assure you I won't have the time to read; you have many such posts around here. But if you're original enough and can arrest my attention, then I'm all yours.

Quit making these random accusations, and let's focus on important issues. There're such being discussed on this board, contemporary issues that're of real value; find them and add to the discussion.

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More from poster babs787

You diminish your response by referring to mine as a rant, and then going ahead to ask more about it. And, I wonder: so you don't know about Asa's music, yet, you condemn it? Why should I now take you seriously, having come to a conclusion about sth you've not examined? Perhaps Asa's kind of music is haram to you; it is permissible for me. And, as far as her talent has been published, I will recommend it for anyone wanting a peek into trado-contemporary stuff from South-Western Nigeria. What's your problem with that?

Again, your response is diminished by your claim that one argues blindly. Here's sth you don't see: if you write a post with 1 million words, and I've chosen to repond to 5 words out of those, shouldn't you assume that I at least agree with or do not find any issues with the rest? This is elementary, and it should be at the back of your mind when writing responses. I will not be having the time to respond to everything you write, or to check every reference you make; but I'll pick out things that're strikingly unclear to me (they may be unclear because you've been unclear, or because I may have misunderstood them); yet, that shouldn't invite unbecoming words from you. If you agree with everything I write, then you're not really useful to me.

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