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Who Is More Important To The Christian Between Jesus And Saul, Now Paul?

We see that the Christian borrow or rather Christ son of to their religious name and uses him as the center of their religious focus. But in essence, is this an action rooted in fakery, fallacy and disingenuous? It is a ruse in the sense that they make a claim to one thing on their lips or even in their hearts,(since I do know their hearts), but their actions undermine what they say is their relationship with Jesus. They tend to go in the direction of Saul/Paul, even with the slightest of simple observations;

1.) Jesus never came to destroy the Laws of Moses and his revealed Book, the Torah.

a,) Under the Laws, we observe in the first commandment that God is single Unit. A whole not divisible.

b,) We also observe that God warns against taking up partnership with Him.

c,) We also see that God declares that no graven Image, physical or conceptualised.

d,) We also see that God declares that He is jealous against any of these above and much more.

As to the Book of Moses, we see in Deut., 6 : 4 that God is One. Then in the Testament of Jesus, the Christian Bible, and in Mark 12 : 29, the same was declared by Jesus Christ the Messiah of the House of Israel son of Virgin Mary, that God is One Lord. That One Lord is the very Lord of Jesus himself, Who had sent him. We also see that Jesus declared that he did not come to change the laws of Moses, but to fulfil it. And that even a single jot of it will not be tamperred with by him, but whosoever does that, (and we know it could be done by his companions while he was still alive with then, before he was raised up), that person will be the least in the Kingdom of God. That is for instigating and encouraging the acceptance of doctored Moses book and laws. We would know that to be least in the Kingdom of God is not a honorable position. It indicates disaster to me. If am wrong in my thought please correct me with good supporting materials.

But all we have after Jesus was lifted up by his Creator, is an arrival of Saul who claimed that he received an enlightenment, and changed his name to Paul, a more non Jewish ethnic sounding name, so that the roman overlords can be unsuspecting. He Paul, in time turn the foundation of the message of Jesus and the previous prophets/messengers on its very head:

To do so, he advocated a multiplicity of God personality content; Instead of One whole invisible Creator, we now have 3 godhead/persons in this single equation of God existence, yet each person of this godship is separate and independent of the other two! Paul advocated and forcibly established as a Christian rule and belief, which is their cumulative doctrine, the destructions of dietary laws, so everyone can eat whatever they want, which the permissibility to eat Pork and its byproducts, the circumcision law of removing the foreskin from the male Instruments, and finally he brought about the concept of the permissibility of death on the cross as a ransoming of sins, instead of what the Children of Israel know it as a curse on the soul that dies on the cross. By this, the truth about God rescuing Jesus from such a death was now shunned as unbelief.

Paul in his galant effort to make the movement of Jesus acceptable to the Romans and the rest of greater Middle east. instead of its confined place which is within the boundary of "Palestine" of its day, he had singularly made the Torah of Moses irrelevant. He singly with the true companions of Jesus who are forced to tow his lines of 'teaching,' wrote the bulk of the New Testament! A simple observation will let us in, about what I am putting forward: Even though the four (4) Gospels are claimed to be the sayings, actions and the accounts of whereever went, we see that they are not so much different from one another. It would have been very scholarly journalistic efficient if instead of the similar to almost identical gospels be just one comprehensive Gospel! If the four are presented, why not the 11, while Judas Iscariot is already discounted and discarded for his betrayal? We we see the acts of the apostles and Paul who was not a true apostle, because was not part of the group that was with Jesus while he was living, breadthing and preaching his gospel: His gospel is a document we do not know anything about, but I guess bits and pieces must be in the four (4) 'according to gospels!'

But let us give the four gospels, regardless of their redundancies in relationship to one another and the gospels as part of it, all of these five (5) parts of the New Testament will still be less than 50% of the same New Testament. Consider that I have been generous here, to make a point. The remaining over 50% is what Paul and his cohorts had played a part, as iconoclasts against the teaching of Jesus and all the previous prophets/messengers.

Considering all of the above, it is no wonder that a religion is developed different and separate in name, day of worship, place of worship and tenets and beliefs, from what Jesus did!

I ask again, who is more important to the Christians, and I simply have avoided the goriness of blood and all that goes with death and salvation claims of the Christians about Jesus, Jesus who was a true prophet and messenger, with a miraculous birth or Paul who came and turn everything over its head, at the same time developed a different Jesus, idea of reverence of God and all that go with it? Who is the true singular hero here and why do you have the other in place along with him?

Please do me a favor, don't post off topic. When you disagree do it with relevant materials. Just don't criticise, do it with intelligence! Thank you.

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@Pilgrim :

At least you are a living evidence to that, Islamic religion will never save anyone, but it will only leads to destruction. I pray this Islamic deluded man ( Olabowale) accepts the truth. There is no amount of explanation of the Godhead you will say to him that will make him change his mind.

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If only you hypocrite would apply the same "wisdom" to the bible, you'd realise that there is ONLY ONE version of the bible, what you dishonest charlatans are refering to is many translations of the same bible and that is the beauty of the bible. If you dont like the archaic language of KJV, you simple go and buy NKJV or if you are the modern english fellow then you go buy NIV.

The ancient manuscripts, the root source of the bible is available for all to see.

apparently mohammed has just showed your thesis above to be fatally flawed.

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Jesus is the focus , The main focus is christ, Paul was a wonderful minister, most preachers believe that Paul is the greatest apostle of Christ,

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@Davidylan: Your whining tone will not cut it with me! What use you asked? It simply to awake your sleepy mind. Maybe you can see how your Bible really got it wrong thanks to the likes of Paul and the underlinks. The apostles who capitulated to the crushing weight of Johnny come lately, Mr. Paul.

@Focused: Any Muslim who says to you that he embraces Judaism and Christianity, must know what he is talking about. The Qur'an declares Jews and Christians as people who have incurred the wrath of God and people who have gone far astray, respectively. It would be astonishing that a Muslim will not at least say to you, that if you die as a Christian, in your belief of 3 godheads in 1 god, you will be driven like cattle to the fire of Hell, for punishment. So count me out of those who may falsely embrace you. There is Islam (people who believe) and then there are others (people who do not believe). You focused is from the crowd of disbelivers. You talk as if your Bible is a standard of truth. No, it is not. It lacks absolute truth and it is very skiddish that it borders on unreliability!

I bet within a few generations, inshaAllah, I will still be around when there will be a new revised Bible coming out! It does that always. But it will never be stable with a permanence. The Qur'an has made that statement and it is a 'hatman decree!' Ask Davidylan he will tell you what hatman means. It is an already determined thing.

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Of what use is this anyway? Muslims dont follow the torah (they cant find the one Allah claimed to have sent down and confirmed and they say the bible is corrupt) . . . so what's the point telling us about the torah?

Where is olabowale quoting all these bullet points from? Allah's mysteriously lost torah or the same bible he claims is corrupt?

The only thing consistent about a muslim is his dishonest inconsistency.

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I have explained this trinity to you before. What I have discovered with you and any other muslims (Islamist) is that no matter the explanation, you still go along with what your satanic verses you call Quran says, which is full of contradiction. Even though you Islamic people claim to embrace Judaism and christianity. So its a complete waste of time for anyone to explain anything to you.

The saul that you were mentioning, was religious, just like we have the saducees and the sanhedrin in those days but was not a christian. He was going about persecuting Christians. It was on his way to Damascus that he had an encounter with the lord and his life was turned around and he became a christian.

So to your question, Jesus is more important to a Christian because he is the author and finisher of our faith.

Christianity is not a religion, but Islam is an occultic religion. Christianity is an encounter with God himself and as a result should never be compared with Islam.

I pray you discover the truth and the truth will set you free. This satanic cult called Islam have completely destroyed you.

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@ stillwater, you tried. Notice most people now ignore olabowale's irrelevant piece of garbage. He cant even find the genealogy of mohammed yet he tlks so much about Paul.

Paul couldnt even have said "palestine" . . . the name "palestine" did not even exist when Paul was alive. Its all arab propaganda to arabise Isreal.

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Luke 24:46

And Jesus said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it is necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,

47) "and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in my name to all nations beginning at Jerusalem."

Isaiah 53. Please read the whole chapter.

Vs 5) For he was wounded for our transgressions,  He was bruised for our iniquities,

Vs 11) He shall see the labor of his soul and be satisfied. By his knowledge my righteous servant shall justfy many., for he bear their iniquities.

12) Therefore I will divide him a portion for the  great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out His Soul unto death, and he was numbered with the transgressors, and he bore the sin of many, and made intersession for the trangressors.

Matthew 28:18 (Jesus words)

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth."

19)  Go ye therefore and preach the gospel baptizing them in the name of the father, son and of the holy spirit,

After the Holy spirit descended on the disciples in the upper room, and Peter stood up to address the crowd in Acts 2(I hope you know the story) note this was before Paul.

Acts 2:38

Then Peter said to them, "Repent and let everyone of you be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

(Have you ever wondered how Peter a man who denied Jesus thrice and lived in fear of the Jews and Romans would eventually be bold to face a crowd? What gave him the power and courage to do so?)

Through the above scriptures and many more I did not write, Paul did not "come" up with the "permissibility of death on the cross as a ransoming of sins."

I would use Matthew 28:19 again, Jesus words "Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations ". He never said only Palestine, or did He?

These are Paul's words

Romans 7:7 -- What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known coveteousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet".

I ask, where did Paul force the disciples to obey his own teachings? But instead Paul was subject to the disciples. Please read Acts 15

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