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Who Is On The Side Of Love?

who is on the side of love? who wants to make love his goal in life? the love i am talking about is unconditional love. the kind of love that st. paul talked about in 2nd corinthians. the kind of love that is not greedy, that is content, patient. the kind of love that is given to all life without bothering about the person's race, religion or colour. the kind of love that gives of itself without hesitation and with a heart filled with gratitude for the privilege given to it to serve life.

so tell me my people. who is on the side of love?

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I think i have been misunderstood. I believe in universal love- the teachings of our LORD JESUS. we disagree in the expressions of this love. Do you now that for love of an "Unbeliever" u don't marry him/her. It is in his/her best interest. I am talking to "true/current Christians out there. I have nothing against marring an Hausa but certainly not a muslin/Mohammedan. that does not stop u from buying him gifts saving in disaster him helping him in need, sponsoring him to higher education of his choice housing him clothing him visiting him in prison,  to mention but a few. if u have questions pls ask. I am willing to listen and reason with u. i teach by the grace of God the very teachings of our lord. The jews discriminated against the gentiles saying salvation is for the Jews alone. but Jesus taught otherwise and included the gentiles in salvation. Read 2 corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?. In a march to rid the world of lovelessness u do not as a christian align(marry) urself with a worldly/loveless person. A worldly person is loveless because he does not have the love of God in him in the person of Jesus. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,  it is cruel to reject a gift of love especially of this magnitude. how do u feel when someone rejects your love (not lust)? u might say i should be happi about it but i can't be cos i don't like the suffering he has found himself in and  when he rejects my help my hearts still bleeds when i see him still suffering

http://www.gracecentered.com/unequally_yoked.htm

if u intend to convert the unbeliever that is a different matter but i will rather warn do it with wisdom cos marring an unbeliever to convert him may work or may not. Above all follow the leading of the HOLYSPIRIT he is your best teacher he will guide u into all truth. by the way why are you particular concerning marring an unbeliever? It i far more beneficial to marry a "true" believer from the perspective  kingdom of God

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dear KunleOshob ,

my religion is ECKANKAR. RELIGION OF THE LIGHT AND SOUND OF GOD. ECK means Holy Spirit and ANKAR means The Way. the foundation of the religion is built on love for all life. this love is developed by coming in contact with the Holy spirit which is the spirit of God in expression. ECKANKAR does not work with beliefs. we work with having real experiences with the holy spirit of God which can be seen as light or heard as sound in your spiritual eyes and ears. these experiences become your authority that God exist and that we also exists because of God's love for us. and of course these experiences are open to all souls who love God. you can feel free to ask me any question

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@benodic

I am curious, what religion do you. Adhere to? Or what is your belief system?

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dear jagunlabi,

thank God for souls like you and sineqanon who have been able to leave the narrow confines of most christian reasoning. what christians do not know is that if jesus is to come back now he will have absolutely nothing to do with present day christians who does not know the meaning of love. one of my christian room mate in the university refused to tell me that my exam has been rescheduled brought forward to the present day instead of tomorrow. i was still reading and getting ready for the exam tomorrow when my neighbour who is an atheist and a communist came into the room and told me that my exam has been brought forward. i asked my christian room mate if he knew about it and he said yes. when i asked him why he did not tell me, he did not say a word. it then dawned on me that he wanted me to fail because i was not a christian like him and i had told him that i am okay with my own religion and had no intentions of going back to christianity because i found a lot of loop holes in christianity. this was just one of the evil things he did to me but despite all that i still continued giving him love because i knew he was acting from ignorance. love and love alone is what makes the world go round and love has no boundaries, no rules and of course no religion

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It does not matter whther the format is the same, as long as what i wrote is different to yours in content.

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The "universe" itself is the magnificent language worthy of life - and not a book written and edited by men - from which i get my own teachings.But to each one his own.

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I don't know. My "bible" is the "universe" so to speak, "written" in a magnificent language worthy of life. I don't get my teachings from crude morse code language, like the written or spoken word of 26 letters of the alphabet.

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^^^Whatever.Is to love all without boundaries not what jesus taught?I tell you something, it is far easier to follow jesus' teachings without carrying about the excess baggage of organized christian doctrines and dogma, far easier.Ironic, is it not?

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But, by coming across people like Chinedumo, you have discovered your reason for leaving religion "far behind"!

So, the likes of Chinedumo have been a blessing to you, no?

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Benodic, chinedumo is a total write off when it comes to the issue of universal love, is he not?He is the kind of folks i never want to have anything to do with and i hope i never meet in this life.His kind of "love" is one of the biggest reasons why i left religion far behind, and boy, am i glad i did.

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just like I said earlier covenant relationship is an example of marital relationship. Love for GOD requires u to love ur neighbor. when u love God u will have kingdom values i.e seek first the kingdom of God. The kingdom is more important than marriage. God gave Adam Eve to help him in the work of the kingdom. The kingdom being higher nullifies overrules and supersedes marriage. To marry an unbeliever is contrary to the kingdom. Their other ways to show love to unbelievers and enemies.It does not include marriage/covenant relationship. Jesus said" some were made eunuchs by man some born eunuchs other chose to be eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of God. Marriage to a beliver enhances and helps the believer in his christian work and life. The natural man understandeth not the things of the spirit cos they are foolishness to him neither can he know them cos they are spiritually discerned. God cannot tell one to marry someone that will not help u do the work he sent u for

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now that most of the arguments has been put to rest, it gets me wondering what it will take to make people realize that love has no boundaries and no religion either. that is why a christian will fall in love with a moslem and goes ahead to marry the person despite oppositions that may arise from narrow minded people. love still remains the key to heaven and if you do not have it, you are going no where.

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With every certainty love is universal and not selective. though we were yet sinners Christ died for us all. love ur enemies do good to does who spitefully use you and offend you. But do not be unequally yoked together with unbeliever for what concord has the house of God with beliel, The Lord requires us to love everyone but not enter commitment (covenant/yoking) relationship with unlike faith/unbelievers/infediel

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1 Corinthians 13:4-7

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”

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As I said, I have no god. But you do. It is your ego, which you have elevated to status of god. That gives you an excuse to obey it and to try to disguise your disharmony as "love" and "concern".

Through worshipping your ego, you have become a captive of your own fear. That is why you are casting around, with your dark hints, hoping to see the same fear reflected in other people. You are convinced it must be there, because it underpins all you know. Once you learn to recognise and accept that some people do not share your deep-seated fear, you may learn to question and conquer it.

Wisdom cannot be found in fear.

And fear destroys love because it does not respect freedom.

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LOVE:

- 'ahebh' or 'ahabhah' : You shall love the lord with all your heart, strength and might (Mk.12:30)

- 'phileo' : Peter said "lord you know that i love you(Jn.21:16)

- 'agapao' or 'agape' : Let brotherly love continue(Heb.13:1)

- 'philanthropia' : Silver and Gold i have not, what i have i'll give you (sharing)

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I have heard you though this is a deviation from the subject matter but on the other hand fellow xtians remember that we are talking about love and love is GOD so an attack on THE TRUE GOD is an attack on TRUE (AGAPE) LOVE. I as a xtian believes and knows that true love agape love is only found in Christ I say this not as doctrine but in principle and practice. I dont expect u to agree with me but if u ar honest u will eventually discover this 4 your self. This statement is contrary to

He preaches his doctrine of ego and tries to convince me in it goes about trying tio convience other in other trades. my answer is the same as i have always said before

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Bros i need a bible quotation for the allegation above with special emphasis on the word AGAPE.

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Kunle, you can be so confusing atimes, who is a brother according to Jesus' definition,? It is anyone who does the will of Jesus' Father, now if you relate that to our time you'll agree with me that IT IS THE CHRISTIANS THAT FALL WITHIN THAT DESCRIPTION CALL BRETHREN BECAUSE IT IS ONLY THE CHRISTIANS THAT ARE KNOWN TO DO THE WILL OF THEIR FATHER hence i called brethren a christian.

And again, Jesus considered the poor and needy in his time UNDER THE CONFINEMENT OF A BROTHERHOOD he called "THE HOUSEHOLD OF ISRAEL" and these were the one he gave priority before showing it unto others.

Love is to be expressed to ALL dont get me wrong, but AGAPE LOVE is to be expressed within the confinement of the christian faith. do you understand?

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Jesus considered the poor and the needy his brethen and not christians. You have to remember that christianity did not start until after the death and ressurection of Jesus so he couldn't have been refering to christians in that passage.

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I wonder what is christian Love and what is agape love!

Yes he did not discriminate, but gave first priorities to the brotherhood when he said "I was sent to the HOUSEHOLD OF ISRAEL" , and again he said "WHY WOULD I GIVE TO DOGS WHAT IS MEANT FOR THE CHILDREN" wasnt that meant to be a brotherhood term showing priority?

Apologies! but your wrong. let see it again

Matt 25:40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.NIV

Now we should ask, who are these brothers.

Matt 12:50 - "For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother! AMP

so you see, my brother is that christian, because he does the will of my father just like i do! hence priority.

Show scriptures pls.!

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@tonye-t

christian love is not limited to believers alone but to all men, Jesus never discriminated when he was preaching his message of love. Read matthew 25:31-40, it wasn't about showing love to believers alone but to the needy and less priviledge. The gospel of Jesus[ the great commision] Jesus charged his disciples to preach to all men [unbelievers] is one of love. spreading the gospel involves showing love to all men, infact the gospel was spread by the apostles through their show of love to the early christians who were not christians before they were converted.

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Good day Jagunlabi,

Please dont get me wrong!

According to scriptures, the kind of love Christians were admonished to practise was the agape, meaning the love we share within the brotherhood when we have communion.

AGAPE - (ag'-a-pe) : The name Agape or "love-feast," is defined as an expression denoting the brotherly common meals of the early church, though of constant use and in the post-canonical literature from the time of Ignatius onward, is found in the New Testament only in Jude verse 12 and in 2 Peter 2:13 according to a very doubtful reading.

(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright © 1996, 2003 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

This love should first be expressed to those you consider as your brothers (brethren),meaning their welfare should be your concern, their sorrow your sorrow their rejoicing your rejoicing.

Now when this is practised, those who are not of the faith will see the expressions and will come to the knowledge of truth.

Example was what Jesus expressed in Matt 7:6

6 . . . do not throw your pearls {values of your faith} before hogs, lest they trample upon them with their feet and turn and tear you in pieces. AMP

Check the words in curly braces - values of your faith, the values of one's faith are love, faith, tolerance, peace, joy, temperance etc. now when one rather chooses to give it out to hogs then i wonder if such really understands the word LOVE.

As for the early church, here was the demonstration of their faith:

Acts 4:32-35: -  All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. NIV

Now this is the Agape love.

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i have read with delight all your replies to my post. thanks a lot jagunlabi for understanding what i meant when i asked the question who is on the side of love. before the coming of any religion God existed and love existed. religion are just ways that man tries to understand and get closer to God. as God is love and love is God what we should all be talking about is how to learn love and how to make love our goal in life. this unconditional love as i said earlier is to be given to all life irrespective of the person's religion, race or colour. even atheist too should be given this love. when i was in school l had a lot of friends some were atheists, some christians and some moslems. at no point did i judge anybody by his beliefs all i was looking for in them was how much unconditional love they had in life and that i know is what matters. it may shock some of you if i tell you that when you die and face God in the hereafter It is not going to ask you your religion rather what It will want to know is how much love did you give to God's creatures. for if you do good to life you are actually doing it for God. so i ask again, who is on the side of love?

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Tsk!Tsk!Tsk!And i thought you guys were talking about unconditional love, the love with no walls or boundaries, and then i saw the highlighted.Does that mean that an unbeliever is not worthy of love?Are you, tonye-t, not demanding for love with conditions?Love with walls and boundaries?I thought the threadstarter was asking for the kind of love that sees all humanity as brethrens, irrespective of their race, creed, and religions.

And now, you talk about love that is enclosed only within the tiny tiny tiny walls of the christian doctrine.I am sorry, but you are also a pretender . . .

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I project my being and, to the extent that I have an ego, my ego. There is different extent of ego. I believe that, as we gain wisdom, the ego diminishes.

You have introduced your god already. It is your ego.

You have dissociated yourself from your ego and made a god of it, in order to uncritically give it free reign over you (and you hope, others). As you can see, I will not oblige you.

This reminds me of a born again Christian who came to preach his message to me as I was on my way to work. So devoted was he to drugs, womanising and money that he just assumed everyone else must be. So he launched straight into his sermon, explaining that Christ would keep me away from drugs, money and women etc. I didn't bother to correct him. Such was his state of understanding that anyone with the wisdom not to be devoted to such things was "in denial."

Your ego tells you you are lord and master over the beasts, and that they are your devotees. But the conflict you create thereby is your suffering. You look for answers, but your ego is too strong for you to resist. You are unable to become at one with the wisdom around you. Instead, you project your ego, turn it into a god, and dissociate yourself from your responsibility for it.

What you are claiming is that YOUR EGO is the LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH. That is why you live in conflict with it.

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I believe the ego prevents love.

God is man's own creation -- a representation of his own ego. For as long as he has God, he will not understand 'love' and will not be able to 'love'.

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@Tonye-t

I am really glad you can realize this and this as been my real grouse against christianity and not even tithes that we constantly argue about. To me most professing christians and churches are not following the core teachings of christ. I myself am not a saint neither can i claim to be following the gospel to the letter but i have made an effort o understand the true gospel and nature of christ and what i see amongst bethen today is really not encouraging. This shouldn't come as a suprise as Jesus as already predicted that my would come in his name yet h would deny them becos they do not do the will of his father, this many i beleive are most of the churches we see around today who are just paying lip service to the teachings of christ. i know it is really tough to be a christian[almost impractical], christianity is not about me me me or what material benefits you can get from it, it is more about what you can do for others. Christ teaches us to deny ourselves, it is about dedicating our lives towards better the lives of others and this should be done in a pure and genuine manner withour expectation of earthly rewards. The scriptures below sum up the christian concept of love nicely

1 Corinthians 13:1-13:

Love Is the Greatest

1 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing. 3 If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.

4[b] Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.[/b]

8 Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever! 9 Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10 But when full understanding comes, these partial things will become useless.

11 When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12 Now we see things imperfectly as in a cloudy mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.

13 Three things will last forever—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.

1 John 4:7-21:

Loving One Another

7 Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and knows God. 8 But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

9 God showed how much he loved us by sending his one and only Son into the world so that we might have eternal life through him. 10 This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins.

11 Dear friends, since God loved us that much, we surely ought to love each other. 12 No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.

13 And God has given us his Spirit as proof that we live in him and he in us. 14 Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 All who confess that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God. 16 We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love.

God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. 17 And as we live in God, our love grows more perfect. So we will not be afraid on the day of judgment, but we can face him with confidence because we live like Jesus here in this world.

18 Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 19 We love each other because he loved us first.

20 If someone says, “I love God,” but hates a brother or sister, that person is a liar; for if we don’t love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see? 21 And he has given us this command: Those who love God must also love their fellow men.

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Tonye, this is suprising coming from you! it means there is still hope for you or are you now born again? If you are not i strongly suggest you do and embrace the true gospel of christ which is entirely based on love.

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@Poster,

I wonder if Christians today really practise this LOVE, rather what we find are pretense and imitations of LOVE.

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that is what christianity is all bout, it is a sine qua non for being a true christian. If you don't have it and give it uncondiionally to all people, you cannot possibly be a christian.

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I am .This i my life part Agape LOve. 4 he who gave is son to die is foreva on our side. God is for us all/on our side an ever present fotressin his shadow we will hide who can be against us every thought must be a lie 4 he who gave his son to die is 4 eva on our side

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