misplaced religious tendencies
Whilst i do not want to go into a debate of which translation is better, you have to realize that the KJV is written in old english which is not exactly the type of english we speak today. That aside the amplified version was specifically written to "amplify" scriptures for better understanding. It tries to contextualize the situation as and correct for translation errors which other versions don't that is why it always has additonal statements in parenthsis. That aside if you examine within the context Jesus was talking, it was obvious he was referring to religious leaders. However the best way out of this debacle is to use a bible concordance which translates scriptures from the original hebrew/ greek word used.
Yes Amplified refers to Spiritual Teachers and Spiritual Fathers . . , . .and KJV refers to Spiritual Teachers and all Fathers. . . . hence we are faced with the problem of determining which of the two is the correct translation.
- what makes the amplified version translation better than the KJV or vice versa.
- that brings us back to the same problem of assuming "KunleOshob" is right by depending on the amplified bible translation "while others are wrong by depending on KJV bible translation" or vice versa.
- does that not bring us to the same problem of relying on the translators telling the truth.
- Hence this leaves us in the precarious situation of not knowing whether The Messiah "said all fathers" or just "spiritual father" since KJV and Amplified are not really saying the same thing . . .KJV is talking about the Set called "Father" . . Amplified is talking about the Subset called "Spiritual Father"
- The concept of Father becomes more of a concern when one considers it from the perspective of the Lords prayer aka "Our Father who art in Heaven . . ." does that mean we are supposed to take the "Our Father" in the Lords prayer are as spiritual connotation or not.
I say we take it as a spiritual connotation cus the same bible has qualified the statement with the location of that our Father "i.e. in Heaven (a spiritual place)"
Of course the genuine ones amongst them deserve respect, infact it is in our culture as Africans to respect elders and those in position of authority. However that does not Justify calling another man father in the spiritual sense as Jesus explained "only God in heaven is our spiritual father" and it would be wrong to regard any man as such.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
2"Honor your father and mother"—which is the first commandment with a promise—
3"that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.
I know some people worship their pastors which is wrong but my point is that
they ( pastors, bishops etc) also deserve our respect as we do to our biological parents.
@Topic: I don't do that stuff. The matter of the heart is the heart of the matter: God is more concerned about how you VIEW that "Daddy" figure with respect to God. Some people worship their pastors as infallible, forgetting that Jesus is the Shepherd, and the Pastors are simply the earth where the lush green grass (the Word) grows. Ignorant peccant sheep, they eat the lush grass and they think the earth is their shepherd, whereas a good shepherd will direct the sheep to a special green pasture (maybe even cultivated specially by himself). That pastor-worship thing is a very big problem, I think.
@Pastor AIO: Thanks for the clarification as usual, I was going to say that when I saw Tonye-T's post. I really respect you, sir! Always unassuming but when you have hard facts, you lay them bare. Keep it up.
@Tonye-T: Maybe you meant well when you posted, but it appears you have been misinformed.
Despite all the revelations on this thread that calling religious leaders "father" is against the direct teachings of christ, our catholic brethen would still continue to call their priests father and our penterascals would also continue to call their pastors daddy. Sometimes i wonder who is more important to them, their "men of God" or God himself.
[b]“Let me not, please, show partiality to a man; and on an earthling man I shall not bestow a title; for I certainly do not know how I can bestow a title; easily my Maker would carry me away.” (Job 32:21, 22) [/b]Are we to conclude from this that it is wrong to use titles when addressing men? Or, is the use of titles appropriate under certain circumstances?
It should be noted that Elihu associated the bestowing of a title with the showing of partiality. In his comments to Job, therefore, he did not resort to any form of flattery. Nor did he permit the person of the afflicted Job to sway what he said. Elihu observed the principle of the Law that was later given to Israel: “As for the lowly one, you must not show preference in a controversy of his.” (Ex. 23:3)
Elihu’s example well illustrates that it would be wrong to originate flattering titles. Such partial treatment results in acting unjustly and incurs God’s disfavor.
Since the Christian congregation is an “association of brothers,” any title that elevates one Christian above another would be totally out of place. (1 Pet. 2:17)
If professing Christians seek to be addressed by such titles as “Doctor of Divinity,” “Father,” “Reverend” "Daddy" and the like, this is, of course, something for which they will have to answer to God. It certainly does not oblige others to address them as such. Those who take Jesus’ words seriously would, in fact, refuse to do so. They would not want to give the impression that they are in any way upholding the use of unscriptural titles.
Please read and note the context of Matthew 23:1-12. Jesus begins speaking about the Pharisees, who were a prominent sect of Judaism. They were legalists, sticklers for observance of every detail of the Mosaic Law. They liked to dress and act in such a way as to call attention to themselves. Their religion was one of ostentation—their style of clothing, their principal places at meals, their front seats in the synagogues, and their titles of honor. They even claimed greater respect than that which was given parents. They wanted to be called father. [b]However, Jesus shows that all his followers are equal as God’s children. [/b]Any title that suggests the opposite is a haughty usurpation of something that belongs to God. Thus, Jesus forbids the use of the word “father” as a title of honor in a religious sense. Jesus insists that his followers have only one Father in the faith, Jehovah.
Is it not clear that many clergymen are standing on ‘holy ground’ reserved for God and his Son, and that much reverence is diverted from them to imperfect men? True Christians today avoid using flattering religious titles, and they avoid the practice of setting men on ecclesiastical pedestals. Among Jehovah’s Witnesses the only form of address for ministers is “brother.” (2 Peter 3:15) That is in harmony with what Jesus said: “You are all brothers.”—Matthew 23:8, NJB.
Why are you lying? Who told you that Abba means only heavenly father? Either you are misinformed or you are a wilful liar and a rogue.
Now, I am not an aramaic scholar, but luckily we live in an information age and I can easily research things.
I am quite certain that you are not an aramaic scholar either but I don't understand why you will not avail yourself of the technologies available to us all. Furthermore I also do not understand why you try to pass yourself off as being more knowledgeable about stuff, eg by saying things like "you are a bushman, what do you know".
Are you saying that in an attempt to intimidate him in the hope that he will not then go and research into the lies that you have told here. What a pathetic gimmick!
You're trying to pass yourself off as having superior biblical knowledge but in fact you are nothing but a clown.
Calling a preacher, pastor or any man that claims he is a man of God daddy is against the direct teachings of our lord Jesus Christ who warned seriously against it. Unfortunately the despicable act was tarted by the catholic church who officially address their clergy men as "father". This Idolatory as now been popularized by the deluded Nigerian penterascal movement who now address their pastors and their wives as Daddy and Mummy and some of them even take offence if you address them otherwise, i really wonder atimes if these clowns are using the same bible as the rest of us. Here is what Jesus as to say on the issue of calling preachers daddy[father]
8But you are not to be called rabbi (teacher), for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers.
9And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven.
Amplified Bible (AMP)