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Why Did Jesus Tell His Disciples To Buy Swords Before Crucifixion?

Please can someone tell me why Jesus told his disciples to sell what they have and buy swords? I think its in Matthew i read that!

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What is sword meant for ? Cutting nails i guess. Lol

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@babs787. Can you tell us in your own view why Jesus needed those swords. Pls your reason should have biblical or quoranic(if any) proves.

what this islimic apologist are trying to do is just to tie Jesus to violence. The whole world knows that mohammed is a blood thirty freek,that is why no other religiön (except islam) can recorn with him when peace is mensiond.

all muslims should cover their face in shame

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@babs787. Can you tell us in your own view why Jesus needed those swords. Pls your reason should have biblical or quoranic(if any) proves.

what this islimic apologist are trying to do is just to tie Jesus to violence. The whole world knows that mohammed is a blood thirty freek,that is why no other religiön (except islam) can recorn with him when peace is mensiond.

all muslims should cover their face in shame

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LMAO!!!!!

Men this thread has got to be the most interesting thread i v read in this section. . . Se as babs dey lecture dem sha and dem dey dribble. . .

Meeennn babs, may Allah reward u abundantly. . .

wetin dey do dis one. . .

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yeah . . . Allah probably understood that suicide bombers, terrorism and boko haram could move mountains faster than meaningless arabic incantations.

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Jesus strategized to battle the roman army but on getting there, strategy fail because 500 soldiers versus 12 disciples is a must failure war and thats why he quickly put back the ear of the soldier peter slew. Hahaha i thought he said Prayer can move a mountain. What a fairy tale.

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May be they needed the sword for robbery.

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Go and condemn the savage, barbaric acts of your fellow brethren here: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-304903.0.html

. . . instead of resurrecting well-answered topics from two years ago.

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So what is the reason?

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@babs787,

Mark 14:41 - And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. It is clear from here that the phrase is just an expression to indicating that all things are already taken care of and needs no input from others. Otherwise, we might say that jesus statement ther is contradictory because on the one hand He said they should continue sleeping, and on the other He said "it is enough". The same phrase clearly shows also that Jesus wanted them to hold their peace, which is what He had in mind when the Disciples showed him 2 swords.

Now lets go to the Luke 22:

35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. Now reading through the entire verse, one can safely conclude that Jesus was talking to at least 70 Disciples becuase it was the 70 he sent out without purse and scrip and shoes. You will find the reference in Luke 10. Now it beggars belief to say that Jesus said 2 swords are enough when He just told each of the 70 to get a sword. How can the two be reconciled? The only way is if He was not talking about the same thing. Jesus obviously meant the Word of God when He talked about buying swords. Anyone who knwos the Bible know very well that the sword is interchangeable with the Word of God. And the fact that Jesus stopped Peter from bloodshed and even healed the man that was struck only supports this notion further.

And why would Jesus want to defend Himself when He said in the same passage that ALL that was written of Him concerning His death must come to pass? It is incredulous at best that the violent slaves of Allah are so eager to pin Jesus and violence. All they need do is provide us one proof where Jesus killed anyone or even attempted to kill anyone. Chikena.

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@babs787,

John 18:4 5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. You should ask yourself the question, how did Judas betray Jesus? The answer is with a Kiss. Now even though John did not mention the actual kiss, he clearly indicated that at the point that Jesus identified Himself, Judas had already betrayed Him and was now standing back with the troops. For those who are not blinded by Allah, it is clear that the betrayal with a kiss was a separate event that already took place at the time Jesus identified Himslef. This is how all scriptures work together in tandem to create a clear understanding.

I'll continue from here. I have a meeting now.

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Simple go getting the rented DVD gospel movie called "The Passion of the Christ", it tells everything from the begining thru the Lord's Supper prayer, how Jesus is arrested, and why Jesus is crucified VERY CLEARLY!

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@babs787,

As to the story line, all the authors combined give us the full picture. While indeed Judas kissed Jesus to identify Him, the Soldiers asked Jesus to also identify Himself just to be sure that they are getting the right person. If I take the Police along with me to arrest someone, and I point out the person, it is only judicious of the Police to ask the accused to identify himslef also. This is only common sense.

In any case, you have tried to dance around the subject being discussed by coming up with this. The bottom line is that Jesus had the power in His words alone to defend Himself as the scriptures here testified. So there is absolutely no need for the sword. That should get you to rethink your stance that Jesus needed swords to defend Himself. Besides, the same passage said Jesus knew all that was coming to Him, and He rebuked Peter after Peter declared that Jesus' death and suffering must not be allowed to happen. You want scriptures for that too?

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@Tayo-D

I will be looking forward to read your rebuttal to my post  ut in the absence of that, I will quickly attend to your last below:

Your above quote showed that they do not know Jesus and he had to ask them who they were looking for. Now read another verses contradicting what you gave me. From the verse you gave me, it is known that they do not know Jesus and he had to tell that he was Jesus, so let us look at the verses to see if really Jesus identified himself or Judas did that with a kiss.

Mark 14:44: 'And he that betrayed him had given them a token, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he; take him, and lead him away safely.'

Mark 14 v 44:

14:44. And he that betrayed him had given them a sign, saying: Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he. Lay hold on him: and lead him away carefully.

14:45. And when he was come, immediately going up to him he saith: Hail, Rabbi! And he kissed him.

14:46. But they laid hands on him and held him.

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Read Matthew 26:48-50 to see that Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss.

26:47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.

26:48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.

26:49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.

26:50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

Matthew 26:48-50  (NIV)

   

48Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: "The one I kiss is the man; arrest him." 49Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him.

50. Jesus replied, "Friend, do what you came for."

Tayo-D, which do I hold on to? Jesus showing himself or Judas betraying him with a kiss?

Thanks

@babyosis

Your post came in while trying to reply tayo-d, so I will treat the two together.

The question still is WHY DID HE TELL THEM TO BUY SWORD AND COULDNT CAUTION THEM WHEN PETER SHOWED HIM SWORD but rather than rebuke him he said that it was enough.

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@babs787,

I don't have much time for a rejoinder now. But here is the scripture you asked for:

John 18: 4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? 5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. 7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. 8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: 9 That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none. 10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. 11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? 12 Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him,

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@Tayo-D

Welcome from the moon. I am not surprised at your response because you have all been known for going other when simple question is being asked despite the fact that the verses are self explanatory.

Point of correction, I am not the one making you believe that but your bible and your un-inspired authors did that. Now, go to the verses:

Beating about the bush will not solve the issue. It is a known fact that he ordered them to buy sword because he thought that few would come for his arrest but was shocked when he saw almost 500 Romans coming for his arrest. Now if he was not prepared for war, he wouldnt have positioned them at the place he went to pray, he came to where they were and found them sleeping almost twice and told them that 'why couldnt they watch over for him'. please what are then watching over and why the need for that? You say till tomorrow that Muhammad was a warrior, but he wasnt the only one, go through your OT and read about Moses, Josephat etc and come to tell me that they were blood thirsty too.

Using a question to ask another when you have not been able to provide answer despite seeing the glaring instruction is a sure proof of your dishonesty. Now, in your quote above, did he tell them to buy sword and can you serve me the verse where they wanted to throw him over the cliff, I want to use something there?

Can you serve me the verse please?

Ok, do you of the verses where he couldnt save himself but had to pray to get with sweat coming out of his body like thick blood. If he could save himself, he didnt need to pray up to that lenght, he should have commanded God to do his wish and do you remember the story of the fig tree where he cursed the fig tree rather than command same to bear fruit.

Why would He need a sword when it is written of Him that not even will his foot hit a stone becase Angels have been given charge over Him.

Tayo-D, why are denying the glaring truth. His disciples showed him physical sword and he told them it was enough. So please if he wasnt interested, he wouldnt have commanded them to do same and would have rebuked them when shown the physical sword.

As someone said earlier, all that happened to Him were His Father's will which he clearly submitted to in the Garden of Gethsemane and all through His life. He was so eager to get on with the cross that he told Judas to go do what he knew he was going to do quickly. He knew His disciples would scatter when He would be arrested and already told Peter that he would deny His master 3 times before dawn.

Na lie. Jesus no wan die. Firstly, he didnt walk openly when he learnt that they wanted to kill him and he had escaped from them on many occassion while preaching. If he came to die willingly, he wouldnt have prayed to God to save him to the extent that his drops were like thick blood and lastly, from his last cry, it showed that he never came to die hence his saying[b] 'my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?[/b]

If his death has been planned, why are you labelling Judas a traitor because he was never one, he sped up what Jesus came to do and on the issue of Peter denying him trice, there are contradicting statement on that:

What did Jesus say about Peters denial?

The rooster will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)

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Before the rooster crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) .

When the rooster crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72).

You are the one denying the truth after having served you the truth of the whole issue and please was Jesus really a prince of peace?

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@All,

When people like babs787 and His hordes of blood-thirsty believers in Allah try endlessly to associate Jesus with violence, one can't but wonder why this is so. In any case, it doesn't take a degree in rocket science to realise that their faith cannot stand on its two legs without a reference to Christianity or Judaism. Afterall, every fake product out there always find a way to atach itself to the authenthic product, either through its name or by repacking the same product though using inferior materials.

In a desperate attampt to justify Mohammed's blood-thirstyness, babs787 is trying to make us believe that Jesus was an advocate of armed conflict. How can He be an advocate of armed conflict when He taught that we should turn the other cheek when we are struck? How can He be blood thirsty when He stopped one of His overzealous Disciple from continuing bloodshed, and rather healed him that was hurt?

My question to babs787 is this: Why didn't this same Jesus use a sword when the crowd were going to throw Him over a cliff? Why would He need a sword when just by a spoken word from Him, the army that came to arrest Him fell back. Is it not the same Jesus who said if he so wished, he could have called on His Father to send Him legions of Angels at that point in time to deliver Him (and not men with swords)? Why would He need a sword when it is written of Him that not even will his foot hit a stone becase Angels have been given charge over Him.

As someone said earlier, all that happened to Him were His Father's will which he clearly submitted to in the Garden of Gethsemane and all through His life. He was so eager to get on with the cross that he told Judas to go do what he knew he was going to do quickly. He knew His disciples would scatter when He would be arrested and already told Peter that he would deny His master 3 times before dawn.

So you see, it takes a man with an agenda to deny these truths and try to pin the unpinnable to him whom the scriptures refer to as the Prince of Peace.

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@tomx

Brother, the above does not have any relationship with what we are discussing here. The above does not have a solution to the issue of telling them to buy sword and not cautioning them when same were presented.

Sure, every creation has an end and that is exact thing he meant but not in anyway related to the perceptioon you may be having about JESUS.

Cgift made mention of similar thing in one of the threads and I asked him some questions on that but he has not responded but at the same I think this is the avenue for me to read the response from another christian.

Can you please serve me from the OT where it was prophesised that he would be nailed/crucified and resurrect after the third day.

Can you give me part of those prophecy from the OT?

Thanks

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we wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers of darkness in high places; can you fight principalities and powers of darkness in high places? ask yourself. He was only trying to tell them to tighten their belts spiritually. You know the incarceration of Paul and Silas and the death of John the disciple

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Jesus himself answered your question in the next verse . . .

Every thing concerning his death had been prophesied and he knew it must all be fufilled. He also knew about his betrayal, sufferings and death but didn't stop those. All that was prophesied about him had to be fulfilled.

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@ babs

i aint ur ally. urs (religion) is as fake as ever. man made and brutal. why dont u guys love life? 7 virgins in heaven? only barbaric men wish for such!

@ davidylan and pilgrim and compatriots

is this too hard for you? no come twist our head with grandiose vocabulary.

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olrotimi

Brother, firstly, was Jesus a christian and do you have any proof that his disciples are same.

Secondly why did he tell them to buy sword in the first place and I wwant to refreshen your memory that when in one the gospels, one of disciples showed him the physical and Jesus said it was ok.

So please why did he tell them to buy physical sword in the first place.

Thanks

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Hmmm long time topic. anyway quite interesting to know why. Any clue?

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I think there is no reason other than to fight the enemies,

why was this important ques being ignored??

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Thats exactly what i need to know

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Luke 22:36 - 'Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.'

Can you tell us why Jesus told them to buy swords?

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