God were are u?
And why do u let ur people to suffer especially the Good ones?
suf·fer·ing (sfr-ng, sfrng)
1. The condition of one who suffers; the bearing of pain or distress.
2. An instance of pain or distress.
That is the dictionary definition of suffering. Many persons however create their own torture in their own minds and many bring it on themselves. @Poster, before you look to God, please look to man and what he is doing to self. I have watched person after person create his/her own hell, from when I was a kid, and then blame God when faced with the consequences of their own actions. God gives us what He will for many reasons but if you really want to learn more on this issue, my advice is that you draw closer to God to gain understanding on how he really works as opposed to how you EXPECT him to work according to your idea of who He ought be instead. @Poster
Many thanks for taking time to read my long posts! It doesn't really matter the source; what matters is the content. Gold is gold no matter where it is found, whether in the hand of rich man, a poor man or in the garbage. So, heed the words and not the writer.
Thanks again for reading. I wish you the best in all ramifications of your life.
Tragedies and Spiritual Progress
The events associated with the terrorist carnage of September 11, 2001 point to an important aspect of the working of the laws of God with respect to tragedies, natural and man-made. This is the fact that victims of tragedies may not have been guilty of any wrongdoing in any sense. While it is true that we do reap whatsoever we sow, it is also the case that not all personal tragedies are the harvests of seeds previously sown in the present or past earth-life. Some of the passengers on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania consciously and voluntarily decided to sacrifice their own lives to save the lives of other people targeted by the terrorists. Hundreds of New York firemen got trapped and were killed while voluntarily trying to save people at the World Trade Center. These people demonstrated superhuman love. They sowed love and they will, in their continuing existence, definitely reap multiples of the love they sowed. Their courageous acts of love are examples of what is called mission karma.
Mission Karma is a fate or a consequence that a person voluntarily accepts in order to fulfill a particular mission. Suppose a house is burning and I enter it to save a child trapped in it. By undertaking the mission, I voluntarily accept the possibility, indeed the likelihood, of being burnt. Any burns I receive are the associated mission karma. In general, any person who voluntarily, and out of genuine love, accepts and carries out a virtuous mission that is associated with dangers is at the same time sowing good seeds --- seeds of pure love. The seeds will grow, mature, and, in due course, yield a bountiful harvest. Such harvests arising from acts of selfless love are the treasures we store for ourselves in heaven; they form points of anchor for the invisible threads that pull us to Paradise, our spiritual home.
God does not at all intervene in the great and small affairs of men, be it wars, accidents, terrorism, natural disasters, etc. From the very beginning, God wove into Creation His perfect Laws, which acting somewhat like a computer program, carry out His Will immutably and irresistibly. God's Love and Justice are built into His unchanging and unchangeable Laws, by which the whole Creation is maintained. Because the Will of God and the Laws that manifest this Will in Creation are perfect, they cannot be improved upon and they cannot be subjected to even the minutest modification. All that God does is to permit His Laws and their applications to be brought to the attention of human beings dwelling on earth and in other parts of material Creation. This is the role that various prophets and spiritual teachers have played over the ages. By adjusting to these Laws voluntarily, human beings receive the immeasurable blessings that are inherent in God's Creation. When we deviate from His Laws, we invite suffering and tragedies on ourselves. Moreover, to appreciate Divine Justice, we should know that every human being has been on earth several times before in other physical bodies. Nobody is here for the first time; therefore, babies are old souls in young bodies. Thus, we all carry with us good and bad karma dating from this and previous earth-lives.
Bad karma and mission karma are, however, not the only explanations for suffering and tragedies. To understand this, we should note that deviation from the path dictated by the Will of God does not always take the form of specific crimes or sins in their ordinary and popular senses. Spiritual inactivity, spiritual indolence and indifference constitute deviation from God's Will, because these go against God's Law of Movement. Motion is a fundamental principle throughout Creation. Even the most casual observation on earth must indicate to us the utmost significance of motion. We note that all matter is in constant movement. If a portion of a fresh, rapidly flowing river is diverted to form a stagnant pool, the pool soon loses its freshness. The river maintains its freshness through movement. A body that is exercised stays healthier than one that does not receive any exercise. In general, any ability that is used improves; one that is not used atrophies. All these are effects of the Law of Movement.
The principle of adaptation is a consequence of the Law of Movement. The human spirit is subject to this same Law of Adaptation. The spiritually receptive part of the brain, the cerebellum, has become stunted relative to the intellectual part, the cerebrum, because human beings have busied themselves almost exclusively with non-spiritual intellectual activities. Thus, we have lost most of our spiritual abilities and hardly appreciate a spiritual outlook on life. The Law of Movement implies that we cannot achieve anything of significance without effort. Thus, indolence of whatever description (physical, mental, spiritual) offends against the Law of Movement, and, therefore, against the Will of God. Without movement the spirit cannot achieve its goal of becoming mature. The spirit must be kept active. Unfortunately, suffering and tragedies are sometimes necessary to generate spiritual movement.
The events of September 11, 2001 demonstrate the fact that tragedies can ignite heroism, generosity, caring and compassion and diverse acts of love. Tragedies may promote reflection about the meaning of life and suggest the need to reorder our priorities and reassess the value we place on material things as well as reconsider our relationships with fellow human beings. These are precisely the actions that make for spiritual progress. Conversely, spiritual indolence or spiritual stagnation may invite tragedies and suffering to jolt us from our spiritual slumber.
The Book of Ecclesiastes says there's a time 4 everything, for joy and pain, for suffering and enjoyment and so on,
Suffering is a part of life after all, Jesus said "take up ur cross and follow me". Imagine that u had all u wanted in life, every damned thing, would u call on God? Would u as much as remember to thank Him? Be sincere 2 urself,
4rm my experience, in as much as i hate suffering just like every other person, i interpret it as a gentle nudging from Jesus asking me to let Him handle it or give me the grace to bear it.
If u ever feel that God has let u down all u need to do is look around u, visit hospitals, mortuaries, cemetaries, orphanages, and the like and u will be humbled. It is a spiritual exercise. by the time u r done visiting these places, no one will need to tell u how Blessed u are.
Wherever u are, whatever u do, no matter how much u think u r suffering, always bear in mind that u r better than someone else not because u deserve it but because for some reason best known to God, u r wat u are and who u are. Besides whatever form of suffering u r going thru is because He knows u can handle it. He WILL NOT give u wat u cannot handle.
Why Does God Allow Tragedies?
By Stephen Lampe
We seem to be living in a time of tragedies, natural and man-made. And as the first anniversary of the dastardly terrorist acts of September 11, 2001, approaches, many people are again asking why God permits tragedies to befall human beings. But it is not only major catastrophes that elicit the question. More generally, people wonder why God, who is described as Love and characterized as omnipotent, allows human suffering. Others put the question differently; they ask: why does God allow evil? Sometimes the question takes a very personal form when disaster hits. Victims ask: why me?
This question, which has been asked for ages, gives rise to several other important issues. One of these is whether our understanding of the Love and Justice of God is correct. Does the correct concept of Divine Love differ from our human conception? If so, in what way? The Omnipotence of God is another issue. The contemporary human understanding of the Omnipotence of God is captured by the popular saying that "to God nothing is impossible"; by which people mean that God can do and undo anything. In the light of tragedies, natural disasters, and widespread human suffering, what are we to make of this conception of the Omnipotence of God? Is it possible that our idea of God’s Omnipotence is wrong? Surely, if God were omnipotent in the sense most people think, He would banish suffering and tragedies. I do not intend to address these very important questions today. But I must hasten to state that, I am convinced that the popular contemporary conceptions of Divine Love and of the Omnipotence of God are wrong.
I recall that during the "National Day of Prayer and Remembrance" on Friday, September 14, 2001, Rev. Billy Graham raised and tried to answer the question "why does God allow evil?" But how do we understand something like this? "Why does God allow evil like this to take place?", he asked. He went on to say: "I have been asked on hundreds of times in my life why God allows tragedy and suffering. I have to confess that I really do not know the answer totally, even to my own satisfaction. I have to accept, by faith, that God is sovereign, and He is a God of love and mercy and compassion in the midst of suffering. The Bible says God is not the author of evil. It speaks of evil as a mystery."
There is in fact a clear, simple, and intelligible answer to this all-important question. First, it should be noted that those who ask the question assume that the omnipotence of God is of such a nature that He can intervene at will in any matter, anywhere, and at any time. Such a conception of omnipotence implies the possibility of arbitrary action. But God does not act arbitrarily; His Perfection precludes all arbitrariness. The truth is that God does not at all intervene in the great and small affairs of men, be it wars, accidents, terrorism, floods, fires, famines, etc. From the very beginning, God wove into Creation His perfect Laws, which acting somewhat like a computer program, carry out His Will immutably and irresistibly. God’s Work is without flaws and, therefore, requires no correction or intervention. His Love and Justice are built into His unchanging and unchangeable Laws. It is through these Laws that Creation and all creatures came into being and it is through them that everything is maintained.
The Will of God and the Laws which manifest this Will in Creation are perfect. Because they are perfect, they cannot be improved upon and they cannot be subjected to even the minutest modification. All that God does is to permit His Laws and their applications to be brought to the attention of human beings dwelling on earth and in other parts of material Creation. This is the role that various earthly prophets and spiritual teachers have played over the ages. By adjusting to these Laws voluntarily, human beings receive the immeasurable blessings that are inherent in God’s Creation. When we deviate from His Laws, we invite suffering, tragedies, etc. on ourselves. In the light of this, instead of asking why God allows tragedies, the question really should be: why do we human beings allow tragedies? Why do we not learn the true Will of God and live accordingly so that only blessings will be our lot? God wills only joy and peace; He has no hands in our suffering and calamities!
I should add that human beings as human spirits are endowed with Free Will. This means that they are free to make choices and are compelled to experience the consequences of the choices they freely make, in accordance with the Law of Reciprocal Action, which ensures that we reap whatsoever we sow --- good or bad. The length of the interval between sowing and reaping depends on the nature of what is sown and the part of the material world in which the human spirit resides. Sometimes, the nature of what is sown is such that the harvest is not due until the next incarnation on earth (in another physical body) of the human spirit concerned. Tragedies and suffering are the consequences of the wrong and bad choices we human spirits have made during thousands of years of existence involving many incarnations in various parts of the earth and as members of various races, ethnic groups, and communities.
Maybe me and your friend (sickled cell) but not your cousin (deaf and dumb) are in the same boat? I think you are relatively disease free, that is why you think its ok to have these genetic disease and won't consider termination.The health, emotional and other strain put on the carer, other family member and society by people born with terminal genetic disease is huge.lol
God is God. From my experience, somethings happen and we have no explanation to what the hell is happening. In terms of people suffering and God watching there are countless reasons. It could be:
- God testing the person's faith
- God punishing the sins of the unjust (remember that God said he punishes the sins of the wicked up until the 3rd and 4th generations.
- God wanting the person to go through a certain experience so as to help others
- God's Will!
There are many other reasons which I do not know myself. But what can we do. Prayer & dedication to God.
Life goes on no matter what. Just like Marvin Gaye sang "Whats happening?"
I know some people may ask why are we serving this God - but I want to ask anyone too. Have you found another 'god' greater than God? The God that brought the Isrealites out Egypt! The God that sent His only Son to die on the cross that we might be saved!
You do not have to try explain sickle cell anaemia to me. I happen to be a scientist and understand that as well. Better still, I happen to have a friend who is anaemic. He is married and is a good father to his kids and a good husband to his wife. He does get sick occassionally but in his own words, it is not a curse nor is he suffering. So please case by case. Not everyone feels the same way you do about these things. Better still, why not focus on the suffering in your own life rather than trying to tell us someone else is suffering BASED on your own ideas of the persons situation. There is one particular dude, can not remember his name, but saw him on TV a couple of weeks ago. He was born without hands and legs. Basically, his body ends at his torso and he has no hands( genetic disorder). This man travels the world in his condition. He speaks to people from all around the world and he is upbeat even though people who see him ASSUME he is in pain and suffering. He tries to let them know that is far from his truth since he does not see life as they do.
Again, assuming all persons with a certain condition will feel a certain way is not logical. Address persons on individual basis and then you might actually get more insight on this issue of suffering and the actual source.
Kobojunkie! you might be right, plz don't take my word as an affront on you. people born with deformity do see it as an hindrance. i will talk from personal experience. Sickle cell is a pain more than any other, one's fate is sealed, GOD will not do anything about it.Pray, fast or do whatever nothing will change in fact i will start believing when pastor kumuyi or whichever one of those rich pastors heal a full blown sickle cell subject. Sickle cell is just a monogenic genetic disease, we are working flat out in labs to find gene therapy solution. The other one deaf and dumb, how can your cousin complain? your cousin's deaf and dumb for pete-sake his case is even more complex polygentic disease more than one gene is affected and no drug or prayer can revert that and you better not hope to be like him because just as sickle cell, subjects affected passes the trait from one generation to another, your cousin will pass it on through procreation in the recessive form. Its in our gene!!! we can't do nothing about it except preimplantation diagnosis of genetic diseases to excluded and screen out defective germ cell. lol
@Poster. When you mention suffering, please look at the 360 of the situation to understand what is going on and why. No need to look to God as the reason for suffering. If you were at least straight up with what exactly it is that is bothering you and caused you to post this, we might be better able to disect the situation and maybe get you see that blaming God is right .
There are yet many people who are born with deformities who are happy and do not see it as a problem @Dot2002. Please stop playing the THERE ARE THESE AND THAT when you can not speak for all of them. I have a cousin who is born deaf and dumb and she has a wonderful life. I mean even I envy her in the way she conducts and carries herself and she has yet to complain about her problem. Please know the difference between being born with a deformity and suffering. They are two different things.
Let me concentrate on the bone of your contention
I assume the following are your points -
[li]If God indeed exists he created suffering and wants his creation to suffer[/li]
[li]God is helpless and can do nothing to help the situation[/li]
[li]Therefore, God does not exist[/li]
First, God did not create suffering nor does he want us to suffer. Going back to the book of Genesis in the Bible we see how sin, death and suffering came into the world. The world and its inhabitant remains under a curse from God as a result of man's disobedience. However there is hope in Jesus Christ . . . the popular verse says For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should NOT perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
God also has made provision for a new heaven and earth where these things occur no more.(2 Peter 3 and Revelation 21) This means this world is already doomed for failure and nothing can help it. Even science agrees the world will come to an end though the means and timing is quite different from that of the Bible.
Suffering and tragedies were also prevalent during Christ's time. Here folks were concerned with certain tragedies that occurred, Christ's reply was strange, He did not concentrate on the tragedy but called them to view this as an example and turn to God in repentance.
Christ was a man of solution, in a lot of instances he preferred to look for solution other than search for whom to blame. When folks were ill he healed them, when hungry he fed them.
This is what we should do. God created you to be of service to the less privilege. To help those going through hard times, to love, to encourage, to find solutions. Every suffering or tragedy you experience or notice in others is a chance for you to ultimately turn to God and act like Christ. Be the solution.
look boy, it's not that i am not charitable or that i don't feel remorse for the less priviledged. i am just trying to prove a point there. and that point is that all we can do is a nickle to compare with what God can do in his omnipotence. the truth is this, if God really exists, then he is so hard hearted to create people deformed and leave them to suffer tremendous emotional and psycho-physical pains (grammar).
As a matter of fact, i am very very benevolent and i derive so much satisfaction when i put a smile on someone's face, and that is me naturally. i give even when i have not satisfied myself. sometimes My friends even try to call me to attention whenever they notice my benevolent life style, but i can't stop because it pleases me to do so.
If God could only have my mind for one day , or moreso, if he could hand me over for just one day, you will wake up one morning and discover that there are no more beggars on the streets.
i think that God is in the best position to answer that question.
God is in the best position to enforce that strategy. Or do you expect the whole world to wake up one morning and start given a portion of their wealth to the poor without a divine intervention? Making this earth a paradise here and right now is piece of cake to God but still------
I am not crying, i am just trying to make you guys think critically about this concept of a God who delights in the suffering of his creations. And secondly how iam i at fault for anything at all? i have been doing my best but my best is not good enough but that won't stop me from doing my best because i can't subscribe for anything less.
Maybe you might not believe me but ever since i was young, i have nutured this dream of building one of the greatest charity homes in africa and that dream is still alive till this day. In some years to come when HOME SWEET HOME will be commissioned, u will remember that one ascony from nairaland forum did prophesy about it.
i wouldn't blame God nor need to bother him if i were omnipotent.
With God, all things are possible" so they say , then why is it so hard for him to acknowledge the cry of the less priviledged? i wouldn't do that if i could have half of his omni power.
IF I WERE GOD,
If I were God, I would make all dreams come true
Because all things are possible for them that trust in me
If I were God, evil will never rule
And I’ll make the hearts of men to be how I want it to be
If I were God, there’ll be no beggars on the street
Begging for money or maybe some food to eat
And there will be no sorrow, and there will be no pain
If I were God, I’ll break all of the chains.
With this sort of attitude you think the world will ever be different.
It's simple Nigerian mentality - There's nothing I can do to change it, its the govt's, God's or some person other than myself's fault and responsibility, my job is to cry and whine.
Do you know that the earth has more that enough supply of water for every single person on it? Yet so many die of thirst and dehydration. The point is it is up to you and me to be of service to those who are less privilege. If every one that has gives a portion to those that do not then poverty and suffering will disappear.
An example is seen with the early Christians
Quit crying when you are at fault for everything. Do your bit and at least a few lives would be changed. People own charities or send aid to those in need and some of these people are not even religious, You are hear blaming God.
Grow up boy.
No matter what you and i do, we can only succeed a one percent chance of helping this less priviledged. God is the only one that can eliminate their suffering but he had refused to do so. How can he be so cruel?
Many have died in that condition and many are still gonna perish and there is nothing you can do about it. Only god in his "omnipotence" can render a final solution to this ,i.e. if he did exist.
Why don't you quit crying and asking for the purpose why God created them. Have you ever thought you might be the answer of that question? What have you done to help? What have you truly done to see that a life is better, a person feels loveD, a hungry mouth has food to eat or a destitute has a place to sleep.
We can point all fingers at God as much as we want, but what have we done? We who have no deformities, we who are wealthy. What have we done towards those who are less privilege?
WHY DO WE LEAVE US TO SUFFER?
when we say suffering, we have to look at the broad conception of it. we normally view suffering solely as those common misfortunes of everyday lives.
Now look at one category of sufffering that hurts me so much:
HAven't you realised that there are people who were born deformed talkmore of those dformed by accidents? people without legs, arms, without eyes nor even a voice to speak. Do you know how it feels to find yourself in a situaton like that? many have been born deformed and have died deformed including the so called christians and born again.
What of mental deformity, imbeciles, people who are born with their brains disorganized, how could these people ever acquire knowledge of what is good and what is bad? How can we determine the fate of these people? They are totally useless to the society, mental diseases are hardly cured, so these people live out their lives and die that way without any purpose of life.
There have also been countless stories of twin babies born with their bodies stuck together (Siamese twins) and most of these twins have died in the course of attempting to separate them.
There are many other painful cases of deformities, as we all know one or two cases around us.
I have also discovered some situations whereby these deformed people commit suicide or attempt to do so because they can no more bear the pain of stigmatization and incompleteness in their life anymore. Why should we blame them? What have they done to deserve this kind of life? So they figured out that they are better off dead than to live in sorrows and pain.
Walking across the street, you see a man on a wheel chair putting up a happy face and you think he is happy? No he is not, he is just pretending to be, deep down inside he is crying and praying, hoping that one day a miracle will come, but a miracle will never come, he will live and die deformed and there is absolutely nothing he can do about it.
We always believe that God created us all, and that everyone was created for a purpose. So tell me, in your own observation, what purpose was the deformed created? These people live out their lives and die in helplessness. That baby that dies immediately after birth, what purpose was he created? To bring pain and sadness to his parents or what? That baby that was born with neither arms nor legs, what purpose was she created? To show others that we can live without complete body parts or what?
Though once in a while, some of these deformed people learn to do something great with their lives, but the fact still remains that majority of them live and die helplessly without achieving a single purpose in life.
We are told that God created us in his own image and sometimes I wonder whether some part of God’s image is deformed. Instead, why should some of us be born deformed for no good reason and others are not? Deformity is the bitterest injustice I have discovered in this life.
But funny enough even shown throughout the bible, those who really love God and belong to him suffer more. E.g. Job, David
Remember heaven is the promised destination and earthly troubles will eventually be taken away and if you compare heaven to our earthly troubles, they will be so worth it!
Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."
True. However stealing that crayfish can also be an expirience! People testify over many things, i also used to be a theif because i felt nobody understood me. However i recovered from that with the help of God and it has become an expirience in my life that i was never go back and will not encourage anyone to start with! Now if i meet a child who has started with the same problem and says "nobody understands me" i will be able to help him/her as i have been through the same or a similar expirience!
There are many reasons why God can allow you to go through trials.
1.) It could be a learning expirience - eg. If Gods plan for your life is to become a comfortor, how will you know how to comfort people if you have never needed comfort?
2.) It could be as a result of your own doings - eg. having unprotected sex leads to unwanted pregnancy.
3.) It could be just to make you stronger - eg. A person who has suffered rejection after rejection will not be fazed by another rejection
One thing i have learned about God is that, as much as he is moved my our emotions. If somebody is praying to God for healing in SEPTEMBER 2007 and they are suffering, crying most nights and God has already planned that they are going to be healed in SEPTEMBER 2008, during that time it will feel like God isn't really there, but really he has already planned your healing!
Personally i think God has a plan for everybodys life and the things we expirience in life have deeper meaning to what we think. Even if you don't believe God has a plan still try and turn your struggles into positive things and just know that every tear you cry, every heavy heart you feel is an expirience!