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Why Do Muslims Face The East When Praying?

Why do muslims face the East when praying?is that where Allah lives or there is a spiritual meaning to it?me think God is everywhere and you can talk to him facing ANYWHERE or what do you think.

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If you dont understand the concept of jihad,then shut up. If all muslims are killers like you said,i dont think you will be alive to post on nairaland.

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Some one said ishmael never went near mecca,but then what happened to him? Because the last time i checked,it wasnt mentioned in the bible what happened to him or even his mother. The rule is face the sacred mosque in mecca wherever you are. Who is the all knowing that thinks the chinese also face the east? Now answer these questions. Where in the bible were the christians asked to go to church on sundays? The last time i checked,jesus bow down and pray to God. How come the christians sing and dance?

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PROPHET AND ABOVE ALL ABRAHAM AND

ISHMAEL DID NOT BUILD THE KABAAH

BECAUSE THEY DID NOT GO ANYWHERE

CLOSE TO MECCA WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE.

ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY Allah TOLD

MUHAMMAD TO PRAY FACING JERUSALEM

AND LATER CHANGED HIS MIND AND TOLD

MUHAMMAD TO PRAY FACING MECCA?

REMEMBER MUSLIMS SAY Allah IS ALL

KNOWING. THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS NOT

A FICKLE GOD!

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muslim face east to pray as follow; prophet abraham build the holy ka,aba at mecca together with his son ismail.the ka,aba is a square building any country located at the west of the ka,aba will face east to pray.(2) any country located at east of the ka,aba will face east to pray.(3) any country located at the north of the ka,aba will face east to pray.(4) any country facind the south also fce the east to pray .

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@ssjalo: follow his example[s] then;

dont ever marry.

disrespect your family because everyone is your family instead of your real one.

and volunteered to be killed by the angry mob/area boys. never mind he complained later.

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I doubt if you ever understand the above verse and that is the more reason we are having (****) people accepting Christianity as a religion. Thats the trap being used by Satan[color=#006600][/color], a wide gate leading to destruction and many people are following it.

TELL THEM CHRISTIANITY NOT BE NAME CARRY,BUT DEDICATION TO THE TEACHING OF JESUS AND FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE.

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All Muslims should repent cos they are not on the right way.

Killing ur fellow human all in the name of religion of which any christian can not do. I know this is out of the topic but let us be considerate

How many christian countrys are producing Terrorist?

Why do they want to force everybody to change to their Islamic Religion

Please u people have to excercise some understanding and remember that Throughout the time of Jesus Christ he never killed but healed

Why should one be overwhelmed with a religion that warrants to kill a fellow human being?

Please you all should repent ; for the ones that are into Terrorist may God Forgive you all

Amen

through his beloved son Jesus Christ to bring salvation to all muslims

Amen

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If their is only one east and one west it means that only those at the first half of the earth will enjoy day and night and after then the earth will gone dark forever unless the sun moves clockwise.But surely the earth will continue to rotate round the sun and only one part of it will receive sunlight(day) and the other part night at any point in time.So any one who can dispute this should come with a scientifcaly proof argument and not mere reasoning.

NOW MY QUESTION;

1. WHEN THE SUN IS SETTING AT THE EQUATOR TO THE WEST OF THE FIRST PART OF THE EARTH IS IT RISEN AT THE OTHER PART OF THE EARTH OR DISAPPEARING MAGICALLY TO THE ONLY EAST ON YOUR OWN FOUR CARDINAL POINT?

2. THE DEFINATION OF EAST AND WEST

3.IF SAUDI ARABIA IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EARTH WILL ANYBODY BY FACING THE EAST WHERE THE SUN RISES IN HIS OR HER LOCALITY NOT FACING THE QIBLA?

4.AND WHY IS IT THAT EVEN IN LAGOS THERE IS SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN WHERE THE SUN RISES AND SET AT DIFFERENT LOCATION?

FOR Allah SAYS IN QUR 2;115.AND TO Allah BELONG THE EAST AND WEST,SO WHEREEVER YOU TURN YOUR SELVES OR YOUR FACES THER IS THE FACE OF Allah.

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SUN(B)

NORTH

FIRST 1/2 OF D EARTH (DAY)

SUN(C)WEST-------------------EASTSUN(A)

east west SECOND PART (NIGHT)

SOUTH

Firstly,i will begin by saying the SUN RIISES IN THE EAST AND SET IN THE WEST.From the way the sun moves it shows that at position A those on the first part of the earth will just be waking up from their sleep i.e the early rising sun(EAST),AND those at the second part of the earth will just be around 6;30pm(west) when the sun is setting.At position C those on the first part of the earth will be around around 6;30pm when the sun is setting(WEST) AND for those at the second part of the earth the sun will just be rising(east).SO THIS IS TO TELL U THAT EAST FOR THOSE ON FIRST HALF OF THE EARTH IS POSITION 'A' and for those on the second part is POSITION C.So Islamic scholars says facing 0-180 degrees from east to west u are still facing KIBLA.THIS IS JUST THE PRINCIPLE OF DAY AND NIGHT,IF THEIR IS NO 2 WEST AND 2 EAST AS STATED BY ALMIGHTY Allah IN QURAN 55;17,THEN THEIR WOULD BE NO DAY AND NIGHT.-------------'THINK DEEPLY davidlan,noectic and osisi.

QURAN 55;17 (HE IS) LORD OF THE TWO EAST AND LORD OF THE TWO WEST.

So what do u think,do u think PROPHET MUHAMMED who doesn't know how to read and write and who does not study geography as at then could be able to reveal THIS TRUTH TO MANKIND IF NOT ALMIGHTY Allah THAT REVEAL IT TO HIM.

My dear brothers and sisters in islam i could have drawn more diagrams but i am not good in using computer.To sister MUKINA2,BROTHER JARUS,BROTHER OLABOWALE,BROTHER BABS AND ALL MUSLIMS I SAY SALAM ALEKUN.

MA SALAM

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Muslims face east when praying because the Kaaba is facing the east.

The kaaba is a house which prophet Ibrahim(A.S) and prophet Ismael(A.S) built as a sacred place for worshipping Allah. During the time of prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) the muslims used to face the Aqsa mosque when praying later, Allah Commanded prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) to face the kaaba which is in Mecca when praying. So, Muslims do not just face the east when praying, they are facing the kaaba from all directions.

Salaam.

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@Dafidixone: « #504 on: January 09, 2008, 05:18 PM »

So tell me which is truth between the Bibles multiple headgod belief, and

the One single God Who alone is Lord God Eloi? See how close Eloi is to Allah.

And notice how remote it is to Yahweh or jehovah!

Tell me then what classification, either falsehood or truthfulness can we

put Trinity considering the fact that it does not even appear as a word

but all of you claim that its concept is in there?

If this is the case, then argue it away, because the floor is now yours,

with Verse 29 of Mark 12! In this verse, Jesus from his own mouth says

that Lord God is One, and he and his listeners have Him as their Lord God.

Its interesting that we read Jesus acted violently against the Money changers

because of their charging of interests. It is this act that the post Jesus people

who claim to be "followers" of Jesus love so much, and copy the Jews exactly,

whom the exchangers are part of in the matter of religion.

Where is the Truth, my man?

Which one is "Omnipresent," from your three gods: Jesus whom you reported to have been killed?

Death does disprove "Ominipresence!"

Father God whom you said His word was killed? Is that true power? Omnipresence in this case is

not complete. More importantly, absolute Lordship God means there is no one else equal! Your

father god failed that litmus test.

Ghost god whom you relegated to a mere errant god of Father. And he, the ghost is lower in rank

to the god who experienced death already! You have no idea what Omnipresence means, do you, really?

I guess you forgot that Muslim bows and prostrates. In those positions, he/she says something, including

supplications. How can an entity who only read lips, know what a person is saying in those times, in bowing

and prostrating positions? I summit to you that the entity must know what a person is saying, even when he

is not visually plausible to read lips.

In the case of Allah, He sees, hears and knows all things. Even when it is only in the heart. But even before

it is even in the heart. Thats how powerful Allah is! Always complete.

@pilgrim.1 (f): « #507 on: January 09, 2008, 05:58 PM »

Its like when you had no knowledge in Islam, and yet claimed to have been practicing and defending it, in Atlanta. Yet all you were doing was spitting out lies. Well, you have not changed a bit. Your case is like the case of leopard claiming to be a deer. The coat will betray it! How does your Trinity give you full measure?

Which one of your gods is complete enoughto give you full change? Well, evidently you do not have a "prophet," in Christianity! And if you claim you have, I will have many follow up questions for you. You will have to define what yardstick can we measure this prophet by? I know what we can measure Muhammad and Moses and Jesus (AS) by? Tell me who is the Christian prophet? You should earn your money right here and right now. I will not shortchange you! Nairaland organization and its community will defend your right!

A word of caution: Please do not rely on her coming back with truth. I will nail her to the cross, if she did. She will have to explain how god can be a prophet who is sent, if she has the strength to deceive us with Jesus, as her choice!

Allah the Almight Lord God Creator, is above His "Throne Supreme." I am sure this is too much for you. Allah says He rises above His "Arsh, Throne." How He did it and other questions your Christian mind may ask will not matter. The unknown is not my concern. I hear and I obey in acceptance, since my human senses could never be good enough to verify the unseen and unknown. I do not freit myself about these things.

All things created, the heavens and the earth are in the view of the Almighty. The similitude of this is like that case of a grown person holding a boiled egg in his stretched hand, in front of his face, without anything between them as to obstruct his sight! Will it be difficult for this man to have full knowledge and the full possibility to exert the most humanly possible control on the egg? If he wishes he cracks it, peel the shell off and consume it as he wishes, with whatever resources available. If he wishes he holds it as long as he wishes or puts it in a place for later.

The case as described above of the man with the egg in hand, is extremely and incomparably inferior to the Highest of Superiority the position of Allah relative to all things created, things in existence. Are you in doubt of the power of the Almighty? Yes, I remember, you are from the group of people who worship the god who does not "Know the time of the HOUR!" I will not talk about the fig tree, and hunger and temptations here. I leave that for your conscience. Hopefully, you have one!

Was Jesus a fit for what is known as, "Omnipresent?" Please don't humor us, Pilgrim. I guess your knowledge about Islam was shallow even back when. You are still extremely shallow now. To be a ministry person, you must at least be able to speak the truth as expected. Oh sorry. You are a christian. Truth does not come to the lips easy. But deceit flows like water. Muhammad (AS), said to Abu Bakr (RA), when they both hid in the cave, as they were avoiding the pursuit of the Makkans, during their Hijr to Madina, that Allah is the third of them. Does that lead your mind to what truly Omnipresence, mean?"Now swallow that, since I have explained above to you and Dafidixone, the power of Allah and His Position relative to all the creations, things in existence.

I doubt you know what you are saying any longer. Tell me anywhere in the Qur'an that I or anyone can read that Allah is sitting and or "sits stationary in the east?" Please people watch what Pilgrim will do. She in her deceitful style will waffle. Okay she will behave like the swiss cheese. But the hole in her story will be too large that the largest fist can go through it. Even a whale can do a circus loop jump through it. She talks. But substanceless.

We are here discussing it with you now. I hope the Nairaland organization and its moderators, will allow you and I to have a good and factual discussion here. I hope you know what it means factual. There is no needfor interpretation here. What is written on the pages of Qur'an is just that. No one will explain it away to mean exactly opposite it.

The opposite is what we find in the Bible. Otherwise how can Mark 12 verse 29 be not exactly what it is? How can Trinity will even be anything to be discussed, considering that it is so unimportant that it does not appear in the Bible!

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[size=8pt][size=8pt]HELLO THERE IF U DONT KNOW WHY MUSLIMS FACE THE EAST LET SOMEONE TELL YOU DONT ASSUME ANYTHING.

NOW THE REASON WHY WE FACE THE EAST WAS THAT DURING THE TIME OF THE PHROPHET YHE JEWS WERE FACING A PARTICULAR DIRECTION TO PRAY SO THE PROPHET DID NOT LIKE THIS THEN GOD COMMANDED HIM TO FACE THE EAST.

ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY WE FACE THE EAST IS THAT GOD WANTS THE RELIGON TO BE UNIFIED THAT IS EVERY MUSLIM IN THE WHOLE WORLD SHOULD FACE THE EAST FOR UNITY.BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ONE.

AS REGARDS WHAT IS INSIDE THE KAABA THERE IS NOTHING INSIDE IS JUST THAT THE KAABA IS A SMALL ROOM WHERE PROPHET IBRAHIM(AS)A AND HIS SON PRAYED.

WHY THEY DONT ALLOW ANYONE INSIDE IT IS THAT IT CANNOT OCCUPY EVERYBODY AT ONCE. I HOPE YOU ALL NOW UNDERSTAND.THANKS[/size][/size]

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@babs787,

It's not a difficult thing. Do kindly search through and you will find it.

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@pilgrim.1

Can you please refer me that to that link?

Thanks

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, interesting , What you would do for Allah and what Allah would do for you,

maybe Allah is also using compass, hence there was a change in direction from Jerusalem to Mecca.

Come one stop deceiving yourself (Noah's Flood), The flood destroyed everything (except Noah's ark and everthing in it) that was built by man from Adam, so this Kabba thing of yours is just another deceit.

By the way , babs, ismailys20, olabowale, let me show something that Nwando posted. it seems your contemporaries have already struck again.

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@ismailys20,

The questions are straightforward and Muslims have not been able to clarify issues. Does it sound coherent to you that you simply "follow and obey according" the very things which you have no answers to offer for clarifying the queries posted?

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@babs787,

Thank you. A simple question now reads as "mischief" in your Islamic propaganist ideology. Anyway, I saw the thread where he posted it; and I have also made a preliminary post of the confusion among Muslims claiming the history of the Kaa'ab was either a "legend" from 'Adam' or contrarily originating with Abraham.

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@pilgrim.1

Ask Tayo-D and he will respond to your mischief

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a lot of questions , why do they face the east , what exactly is inside KA'ABA,

what is the point facing a particular direction etc etc

the issue here is in islam we have rules and laws , which you have to follow and obey accordingly.

and as a divine religion you do what you are truly ordained by THE ALMIGHTY

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PLEASE NOTE I AM REPEATING THE POSTING OF THIS MESSAGE IN MOST THREADS IN OTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE MENTIONED GET THE MESSAGE I AM TRYING TO PASS ACROSS, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVINIENCES IT MIGHT CAUSE OTHER THREAD USERS,

Pilgrim.1, Davidylan, How are you, sorry you didn't I didn't post , statements and comments at all, for a while.

They were due to the following reasons:

1. I didn't have anything to say

2. I realise it was useless trying to convince them (@bab787, @olabowale and co) about something , when Satan has already blinded them to the truth. They themselves have decided to look for loopholes (where there is none) within the bible and lies with which to continue living a lie, and choose not to believe

3. I realised that their (@babs787, et al) would not come by arguing with them , instead it would come via the HolySpirit, ministering to them.

Let us remember that is , He (God) is the one who saved us, , so He is the One who would save them, Our own job as true Christians is just to , "SOW THE SEED OF THE GOOD NEWS OF CHRIST".

Whether or not " They choose to be infertile ground or grounds filled with thorns " is not really our perogative.

4. Finally I have noticed that "they are living for the now , while we are living for the now and then", so just like Jesus instructed the disciples there comes a time when we are supposed to dust our feet and leave

By the way pilgrim.1 and Davidylan, please find attached, some video links that have helped me to understand certain lies , deceit and indoctrination of "Evolution", I hope it helps you to see the truth as it has helped me to see the truth.

http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_2.avi

http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_1.avi

http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_4.avi

http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_3.avi

http://drdino.plaingospel.com/seminar2.wmv

http://drdino.icsrepair.com/videos/lowbitrate/seminar4_low.wmv

http://drdino.icsrepair.com/videos/lowbitrate/seminar3_low.wmv

http://drdino.plaingospel.com/seminar5.wmv

http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/6_the_hovind_theory_part_5.avi

http://www.loudcry.org/main/video/Dr_Kent_Hovind_PhD/seminar_videos/7_questions_and_answers_part_5.avi

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/Wang.asp

http://www.drdino.com/drdinoLinks.php

Finally false doctrine contributes to doubts in ones life and faith in God : below is a link to something on false doctrine which can and might

have led many Christians astray:

http://www.ovrlnd.com/FalseDoctrine/drakesbible.html

To you @babs787, @olabowale , and co, the wise and intelligent thing to do (instead of being dogmatic about issues) is to try and find out why those Christians that were formerly "either so called Moderate Muslims" and "Fanatical Muslims" decided to turn away from their ways and decide to become Christians. At least the truth is that some of them were probably as confrontation and unyielding in their statements as you "seem" to be. It would help you to at least prove for yourself by asking them "WHY" they left islam for Christ.

Unless you take joy in trying to "windup everybody" just for the sake of it, it would help you to conduct truthful research and analysis into why former terrorist, moderate muslims, fanatical muslims, decided to risk everything (life, job and family) all for the purpose of becoming a TRUE CHRISTIAN.

Pilgrim.1 and Davidylan stay blessed and in the hope of salvation through CHRIST

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@dafidixone

I saw this in one of threads too. It will enlighten you more on Kabah

http://i-cias.com/e.o/kaaba.htm

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@Pilgrim.!

Two east means two directions. Two west means another two directions. Adding the two together is 4. End of story. Ypu do not have to be an engineer to know this.

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Q .why do muslim face d east in prayer

A. -Prayer is an act of communicatin with God n varies from religion to religion

In islam their is a difference btw Dua n salat (both r 4ms of prayers).

-Dua-is the verbal prayer 2 Allah (God) can b done anytime n most places.

-Salat-the five obligatory/optional prayers that a Muslim must perform everyday,which has d sync movement of standin,prostration,bowin down n sittin(its only salat dat requires facin d east).

-Thus have We made of you an Ummah justly balanced that ye might be witnesses over

the nations and the Apostle a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qiblah

to which thou wast used only to test those who followed the Apostle from those who

would turn on their heels (from the faith). Indeed it was (a change) momentous except

to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah make your faith of no effect. For Allah

is to all people most surely full of kindness Most Merciful.(Q2:143-144)

To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as in a race) toward all

that is good. Wheresoever ye are Allah will bring you together. For Allah hath power

over all things(Q2:148)

We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens; now shall We turn thee

to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred

Mosque; wherever ye are turn your faces in that direction. The people of the book

know well that that is the truth from their Lord nor is Allah unmindful of what they do

QIBLAR-it is the direction that Muslims face when they do their salat. It is in the direction of the Ka'bah in

Mecca.

-in a gatherin their has 2b a focal point to create order cos salat wld b impposible in a large crowd if everybody is 2 maintain d row arraingment of salat,movin in sync n facin diff directions.(a lot of collisions)

Examples of need 4 focal point n order outside islam.

1.church-everybody faces d preacher in rows.

2.school-every student faces d teacher in rows.

3.cinema-every on looker faces d screen.

Q. why is d ka,aba sacred

A. Allah asked two of his messengers (prophets) Ibrahim (AS) n his son Ismail (AS) (Abraham n Ishmeal) 2 build d house.

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without

cultivation by thy Sacred House; in order O our Lord that they may establish

regular prayer: so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them

and feed them with Fruits: so that they may give thanks (Q14:37)

And remember Abraham and Isma`il raised the foundations of the House (with this

prayer): "Our Lord! accept (this service) from us for thou art the All-Hearing the

All-Knowing.(Q2:127).

Q. only 1 east on d cardinal points

A. yes thier is only 1 east but we don't use d compass cos islam came around 1400 years ago so d use of a natural concept was used,d risin of d sun from d east.this fact is constant irrespective of country or season.

-d location of Ka'aba is d center of d earth

Q. Idols in d ka'aba

A. their is along gap btw d time of Ibrahim (AS) n Muhammad (SAW) within that time Arabia went back 2 idol worship so they used d ka'aba as a storage place.so when islam came to mecca d idols where removed from d Ka'aba by muhammad (SAW).

Q. Is the ka'aba n sacred mosque same?

A. no

-There are 3 sacred mosques,2 in the kindom of saudi arabia n 1 in jerusalem.

1. The prophet's mosque (saudi arabia,madina)

2. Masjid Al aqsa (israel,jerusalem).

3. Masjid Al haram (saudi arabia,mecca). this mosque houses d ka'aba,it's the largest with a capacity of about 2 million worshippers.

Q. do they worship d moon during d day

A. 1st n foremost we worship Allah not d moon,our salat timing ranges from sunrise to far beyond d sunset.

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@olabowale,

I have often appealed that you make sense in your posts, but your passions would deprive you yet of the same! Besides, even after severally warning you to be respectful of other people's convictions, this is how you have continued to address the Christian faith:

My dear, please be notified - it is not only Muslims who can say unpalatable things about other people's convictions. Be warned once again. Because when I begin to expose the many things straight out of Muhammad's mouth, I hope you will not be in need of anti-depressants.

Secondly:

Having said all you did, WHERE did you seek to enuciate the matter of TWO Easts and TWO Wests? You merely accused me of not showing 'honesty' - and I should assume that the Qur'an never mentioned "TWO easts"? This is not in reference to other measurements of locations - that was a direct reply to your assumption of CARDINAL locations!! You do not have more than 4 "cardinal" locations - and when you have TWO Easts and TWO Wests, that amounts to 4 already! Where then do you place the North and the South among the cardinals - for that would make 6 "cardinal" locations!

Dear olabowale, I think your tantrums should cease, please. I often sound out enough warning before I answer people. Where they fail to take my warnings on board, they have never been able to pick themselves up from the dust afterwards.

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@Nwando: Go ask any satellite launching company! Call NASA. Afterall you are a die hard card carrying Republican! Yup, I heard you. If you do not know where to call, just let me know. I am not a Republican, but I have connections. I can hook you up. You will gradually see the different between a real man, me, Alhamdulillah, and the the boys you know! I will show you that I follow the Comforter, Muhammad (as), who calls people to remembrance of what the truth Jesus spake and teached what Jesus left out! You can call the Jet propulsion lab, in California.

Tell me your weaknesses and your limit. InshaAllah, this Muslim will get you where you need to be. I got connection. I can also give you ordinary satellite company in New York City, so that you can find this things out. The easiest thing for you, to do yet, since you live in a backwater part of the USA, is to call your local cable company, they can find the information for you.

If all your effort amounts to zero, then just say so and I will provide assistance, by Allah. Now, if you findout that this is the truth, what will you do? You will abandoned your image worshipping as you have set up Jesus as partner to his Creator? You will come to Islam, with your husband, submitting your will to your Creator? What will you do? This is what I wanna know? As they say, whats in it for me? I only want you to come to the light and be out of the darkness that you have buried yourself in since you turned 17! So make the commitment right now so that the Nairalanders can see how truthful you are, in your conviction.

And all I have to make is just 1 phone call! How about that? I will be talking to its Director or someone who will talk to him directly in honor of my request! Thats Allah's favor I can not deny.

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scientific evidence please.

not the one about catarrh being the devil flowing down your nostrils,evidence,I'm waiting.

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All the Christians chaired by chairperson, matron Princess Pilgrim.1, are not satisfied with straight, honest to goodness answers. Even it it stared them down, from now till the last person on earth perishes. They forgot that Ka'aba is a very small Cubical, surrounded by the Building, at least on more one cardinal direction, which both make up, the Mosque called 'Masjid Haram.' On the remaining cardinal sides that were not covered of the Ka'aba by the Masjid building are covered by traffic pathway/roadway. This masjid Haram being the centre is surrounded outwardly by the rest of Makka itself. Yet even in the Masjid Haram, everyone, turn there faces to this Cubical called Ka'aba to pray. Indeed the whole of the world turn their faces to it, in prayer, the Ka'aba that is. Those on the west of it will to it, they will be facing west. Those on the north will face it and the south will face south. Why making a big issue of it, after a clear and sound explanation has been provided? We do not face the east, we face the Ka'aba which is our Qublah, a direction! Get a life, Christians!

How come the Nigerians Christians with their tinnie winnie knowledge will restrict us all to the 'East,' as our direction of prayer, knowing fully well that the ka'aba is our Qublah! They do not even realised that every Satellite launched into space can not function if the satellite is not orientated to focus on the Ka'aba. Thats part of the miracles of the Building! There is no other structure of its kind in any religion and any part of the world.

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@babs787 @olabowale

You babs787 , you have simply tried your best to trivialise issues and divert attention to something else from issues raised, while at the same time, you have not answer questions raised. All you have done is repeat the same mantra or dodge it by saying things like "okay" or "I will give you prove"

First and foremost Let me answer your question about how I lifted verses without understanding:

Did I lift those bible verses from the book of Ezekiel concerning people facing the east as a mode of worship, MY ANSWER IS YES.

Did I think those bible verses from Ezekiel were a revelation of what Muslims are doing today (when one considers that they also face east), once again MY ANSWER IS YES

Secondly,you have implied that Jesus came only for the jews , well that implication is not true (even though you are trying your best to twist the truth). As a matter of fact Jesus Christ came and died for everybody both Jews and Gentiles and you will see this from the follwoing verses contrary to the misleading information you were trying to give to (yourself and readers on this forum):

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[1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. ]

[Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: ]

[Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? ]

[Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ]

[Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

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Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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Act 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

Act 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,

Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.

Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:

Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

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1Ti 3:14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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babs787, you would that the word "world" here means and contains both Jews and Gentiles, so your misleading mantra and diversion about Jesus Christ coming just for the jews is not true. What you are talking about is just lies , and desperate efforts to look for a way out for islam where there is non.

Again look at further bible verses that disprove you lies , about Jesus, Jews and Gentiles:

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Mat 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Mat 12:16 And charged them that they should not make him known:

Mat 12:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 12:19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

Mat 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

Mat 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

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Again let us consider those things that were talked about concerning Jews and Christians even while Jesus was still young:

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Luk 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

Luk 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

Luk 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

Luk 2:28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

Luk 2:29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

Luk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Luk 2:31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

Luk 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

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Concerning your misleading lies about Paul here are some bible verses to reveal the truth about Paul, and show why what you said about Paul are all lies from th pits of hell.

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[Act 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

Act 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Act 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Act 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

Act 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

Act 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

Act 9:11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Act 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Act 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

Act 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.

Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Act 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Act 9:19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Act 9:21 But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?

Act 9:22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.

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As the saying goes : If it looks like poo and smells like poo and feels like poo and , aaahaaargaaa, also tastes like poo, THEN IT IS poo

The truth is that islam, Allah and mohammed (the horney sexual peadophile that he is) all look like fakes/false/liars, they are smell like fakes/false/liars, they all feel like fakes/faslse/liars, they all taste like fakes/false/liars. THEY ARE FAKES/LIARS/FALSE

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Funny how you lift verses without proper understanding. You lifted verses where they worshipped sun, forgetting that that led to your EASTER CELEBRATION. Go to the thread and you will read your response therein but when I am less busy, I will still provide additional verses from your bible to show you what christianity is all about.

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So you see that (ignorant or conscious worship of the sun / demons / devil) is what you muslims are doing.

hmmmmmmm

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Allah IS NOT LORD GOD ALMIGHTY

Again let me give you bible verse(es) and exhortation that show the false worship and believe as practised by muslims:

Take note muslims face the east (the sun or at least the rising of the sun) for their prayers and commit violence in the name of their false god called Allah, now compare the abomination that muslims are doing to what the bible has to say in the book of Ezekiel.

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Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

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So you see that (ignorant or conscious worship of the sun / demons / devil) is what you muslims are doing. Also by your constant jihad and violence you have filled the land with violence, just like in Eze 8:17

Please I beg in you Repent, Confess your sins and accept the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, it doesn't matter whether or not you are born into Islam at least you now know the truth, don't continue in this abomination and sinful way of life. It is might be possible to forcefully convert people to little islam, yet in the long run it is not sustainable as the TRUTH WILL ALSO PREVAIL (The lies and deceit of islam (via mohammed, Allah et al) becomes understandable when one realises that it is very dangerous for the life of someone to convert away from islam. So that fear of repercussion would make people continue in what they blatantly know is a false belief.

It is not a coincidence that the prophecies of the bible about the end of days are coming to pass, it is not a coincidence the Christians still exist and are going to exist and reign with Christ despite the amount of killing, persecution, matrydom, estrangement , jailing , condemnation they have faced and are still facing from either their friends,family, relations, work place, country, government, kingdom.

I am happy to tell you that another prophecy would soon come to pass the prophecy is that about to be fufilled:

[Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. ]

Please olabowale , the truth is that I would rather to you win the argument, satisfy your flesh and but that the Holy Spirit convinces you and wins your Soul for Christ , because at the end of the day. There is much joy in heaven for every soul that is saved, your souls are more important that the argment about whether or not you believe that Allah, quran, mohammed are false.

I pray that God in His Mercies would have mercy on you and let His Holy Spirit bring you to understanding, repentances and salvation of your souls. Salvation does not come from how many good works you have done , salvation does not come from the excuse of knowing the truth, It is written "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one commeth to the Father except through me" Jesus is only way to God, not mohammed, not Allah, not five daily prayers, not saka, saraa, not by going to stone the devil in saudi arabia, not by wearing skimpy trousers, not by keeping long beards, not by not drinking alcohol, not by not smoking, not by not having sex, not by giving people alms, etc all those things are works of righteousness , unfortunately it is written that "they are filthy rags before God". God's free gift of salvation through Christ is free , it cannot be bought or earned through Allah, not through mohammed, not through suicide bombing, not through jihad, not through political power, not through being moral, instead it is simlpy through JESUS CHRIST, the one and only begotten of the FATHER.

[Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ]

Look if you afraid of losing all your comforts, pleasures, pride and priviledges , ask yourself which is more important. Is it your soul or the worldly riches. [Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?]

neither mohammed nor Allah has promised you anything that you can trust, the heaven (actually hell) that they have promised you is nothing but false sexual and materialistic desires (virgins for what) . The heaven that Jesus Christ is promising you is true, in the heaven Jesus Christ has promise there os no marriage no sex :

[color=#990000][Mat 22:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

Mat 22:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:

Mat 22:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.

Mat 22:27 And last of all the woman died also.

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. ]

[Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. ]

[Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.] Jesus Christ has promised you for a certainty what you are going to have waiting for you as a believer:

[Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ]

[Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. ]

[color=#000099]Please muslims and other non-christian individuals I beg you not to waste your soul , because it is appointment unto man to die once after that judgment. There are a lot of examples and testimonies out there that would convince you about the deceit of islam, mohammed, Allah and about the TRUTH OF CHRIST AND THE BIBLE . People like Hitler,mohammed and alexander the great don't have the chance of a salvation that you now have through Christ , please take it, You can get countless fufillment of bible prophesy if you earnestly seek them , so please don't waste your life and soul, Good as given you a free gift of salvation:

[Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. ]

[Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. ]

[Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ]

[Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. ]

[Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) ]

[2Co 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift. ][/color][/color]

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@olabowale,

Nope. Why should I be itching for one in my pointing out the duplicity in those posts?

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@Pilgrim.1: You are always itchy for a fight?

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How many times have the so-called "scientific discoveries" in the Qur'an been exposed for the show-craft that it was?

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Where is this person from nauw! Seems like your posts reveals your age or reasoning-ability.

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we mohammed go understand say you no know.

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You have no point of saying that muslim face the East when praying, in that case, can somebody tell me while all the christian can not going to desame church.

Why some christian does not like Celestial, is it not because of their evil-malpractice are they not christian.

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THEY DONT THIS WILL PROVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html (LOOK AT THIS ITLL LEAVE YOU GOBSMACKD IT DID TO ME)

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mecca is on the east caba is on the east.

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Bro shibrette,the debate ended a month ago,why are you reopening it?

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Any muslim who kill another person is a fanatic and not a muslim

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I read the first six pages or so of this post and couldn't anymore, the oyinbo and geography and everitin was too much. The only question I can ask is "What is the point?" Christians, my understanding of being a Christian is to walk as Christ and to live our lives as he did. Would Christ be bent on proving to the other guy that his religion is this or that? Of course Christ believed he was the Son of God, but I haven't come across that part of the bible where he condemned the non believers. Why all the religious intolerance? Why are we so eager to attack and tear apart what other people believe in? There are aspects to our religion (Christianity) that could also be the topic for 20, 30 page long threads, but is that what defines our love for Christ? Isn't it all personal? A personal experience? A personal discovery?

I noticed a lot of the Christians were not in anyway ready to accept any of the explanations that the muslim brethren gave, cos it seems to me you have your mind set on what the answers should be.

Why as Christians do we celebrate Christmas on December 25th? Why do we kneel when we pray? Why do some women folk cover their hair when in church? Why? Why? Why? For me, my personal beliefs are beyond all these technicalities.

My faith tells me that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life, but I will not go on and on trying to prove to the next guy that i'm on the right path, and he's just being silly taking the other way.

Christianity is not about logic or intelligence or geography or correct grammer, its about knowing Christ and striving to draw others on to him, I don't think arguments and maps and etc etc are a good way to do so.

I have Muslim friends and I don't necessarily agree with all they do (they would say the same about me too), but i just don't think it makes any sense arguing and stepping on any one's toes just cos I want to prove a point

I'm not a pastor or preacher or anything like that, just someone realizing more and more by the day that she really needs her God to get through this life.

Pls let's stop all this debating, I noticed a lot of name calling too n I was like "Wow!!! I just don't the point of all this, "

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The Muslim actully copied the facing of the east to pray from the Christians.

You will find this in the bible of Daniel where Daniel faced east to pray.

And the Jews got it from the Ancient Tamareans (Nubians/African/Egyptians).

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@tel B 4u only

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

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@Topic only lowlife!!!

Islam Condems Suicide, Homosexuality, idol worshipin. Sounds familiiar

Do u even know of the "Mosaic Law" The Best law ever. U won't get it if you don't keep up strictly w/life like the rest of us. Evil is cool to u. But who will remain standing, we shall see. Shame is a very valuable and essential tool to have in life

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simple question, simple answer some1 call am babes. na wa o.

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@ tlops,

i was actually praising the simplicity yet accurateness of your answer. believe me i was in no way being negative about your post.

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And who were the ancient Tamareans praying to?

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pricelss.

out of the mouth of babes

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