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Why Do Muslims Hate Christians So Much, Could This Be The Anti-Christ Coming?

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Thank you dear. I no i am a fool for replying to some of these people. It hurt me real bad that they choose a craddle-robber over Jesus, after all he done for us. I was deeply hurt and angered but i have calmed down. Its not like God hasn't old me this before i just was disobedient and didn't listen. God bless you + Thank you very much for reciveing Gods words and telling me them. This is my last post defending God. They will see.

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@ softee

I see you don't like some of the comments made. When i joined this forum, i read the religious part almost at the time but something happened  that i don't like and i don't know what to do, i was so confused that i asked questions in the church. I was advised that i should not come to this forum or stay away from the religious side and that once i read the replies or reply to the post I'm partaking in the mockery of our lord. They quote a bible verse for me and obviously i can't remember but it has something to do with 'don't walk in the counsel of the ungodly'. Maybe it might be a good ideal if you do the samething. You don't have to fight 4 God, he can fight for himself. Just avoid anything that has to do with sin. The end time is nigh. Remain blessed.

@everyone

The message is strictly for the christians, so don't quote me, insult or question me.

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I don't think that is an anti-christ, cos they can't do anything, cos God as giving us (christian) a power that is above principalities and power, lol i think they are surfering from ignorance

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How dare you call me a hypocrite.

Do you live my life?

Do you walk in my shoes?

Have you seen what i have seen?

Have you been through what i have been through?

So do not call me a hypocrite unless you are God. There is even no point of me even telling you that Jesus was not a man because your ignorance has blinded you. However i will TELL you this. At least my role model is not a craddle-robber, womanizer, Molester and a murderer. Im so glad to have Jesus he is perfect, UNLIKE THAT FALSE craddle-robber you call a prophet.

I am a fool for even replying to you. God help us, to help me deal with people like YOU.

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He is not wicked. He destroyed WICKED.

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God cannot wake up one day and say he has changed and is no longer wicked.

Afterall he is the unchanging God. An unchanging God will remain as wicked today as he was in the past.

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Have you read pslam? The only thing God done for this man was allow him not to be killed himself. God is forgiving but he is also a God of concequences. If you deserve punishment, God is not going to stop it just because you have him. Because you pay for your sins. However Because of Jesus they get forgiven - What a wonderful blessing.

I don't really know about Moses that much but it would help if you put verses of when moses did not save the slaves because they wasn't a jews. Even so, why should God save those who he will save and they will just worship idols even when they have seen his Glory.

If we want to compare religions now. Yes God destroyed people but after he did, he showed his love for us by sending his son down. But nooooooo 'Allah' still wants muslims to kill me and YOU.

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Seun, make sure you come back when this thread becomes really, really, really hot. That's all I can say now.

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son. That's injustice: his son was not guilty.

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Don't you get it? Not all whom God kills are DEAD. They are dead in flesh but not in spirit. For all you know, right now they can be rejoicing in heaven.

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David was happy to murder 100 (or is it 1000?) innocent Phillistines in order to get a wife.

Joshua led the Israelites in their campaign to completely annihilate inhabitants of the "promised land". Specificaly, they were asked to kil and utterly destroy men, women, babies and even cattle.

The old testament laws written by Moses allowed Israelites to own human beings as property and to sell their daughters (and sons?) into slavery. Foreign slaves had absolutely no rights, while local slaves had few. Unmarried women captured in war were allowed to be taken as property and then Molested (forced marriage, forced sex).

In the old testament God killed a man's innocent wives, children including babies, and servants for his petty theft. It is cruel to punish theft with death, and to extend it to the thief's innocent family. It is not acceptable.

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David

David murdered - Yes. However David suffered and even when he repented he still suffered! God punishment him badly for what he done. He paid the price. But seun, just one question. Do i worship David or do i learn from him as a Christian.

Moses

How was moses in support of molest and slavery??. He was a prohet who RELEASED the slaves from phoroah's wiked ways. The people God released still went to worship idols after he released them!!

God

No way can you call my God hypocritical. Yes God destroyed cities, Yes God destroyed the world but remember God sees the heart, all the wiked people will get thrown into fire. But all the good people who God killed are not DEAD. They are alive in spirit. God destroyed cities because they were doing SATANIC things.

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My dear Mukina, You nave tried your best, and Allah sees you heart. May He bless you and elevate you to better positions. But I'll advise you sister, leave the hypocrites to dwell in their hypocrisy. The more you pay attention to their stupidity, the more they increase in their hypocrisy. Yours is to admonish, and theirs is to accept your admonition. If they however fail to do so, then with Allah lies the Yawmul-Qiyam, where no one shall go un-tried. Blessings to you sister!

@You Softee, Babyosisi et al,

If you so wish, count yourself as amongst the hated, that's your own cup of tea. Let me make something clear to you all, you commit idolatry by worshiping a man, and by ascribing partners to God, so Muslims certainly hate what you do, and there's nothing to hide about that. Take it or leave it, but I have to cut with a sharp sword, You are hypocrites!!!

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David was a murdered and Joshua practiced genocide. Moses was in support of molest and slavery.

Accounts in the old testament reveal God to be cruel, unyielding, and hypocritical. Let's leave Muhammad alone.

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The only way you can EVER call this religion peaceful is when you have killed most of the world, which muhammed told you to do.

"Fight them until they give you peace"

Please stop fooling yourself mukina2, we all know Islam is not peaceful. Please make me to understand how you can sit there and say islam is blessed when your prophet slept with a 9 year old - Is that what you call blessed? Imagine if that was your daughter. Even 'Jesus' in the Quran was without sin - This should tell you something. Muhammed denied Jesus being the son of God but Jesus lived a much purer life than him and yet hes the one that gets RESPECT. Errrr red alert!! IS THAT RIGHT? My words may upset you but the only person that applaudes a sinful life is SATAN. Study your religion.

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Hey people.

This below is a good site for anyone wanting to know more about Islam and Christianity.

Read the words of Mohammed and Jesus for yourselves and their teachings.

Compare their lives.

See what the holy Muslim books say about polygamy,women,Molesting war victims,wifebeating,sharia,killing converts etc

Any topic you ever wanted to know is there.

We have no reason anymore to be Ignorant what Islam is all about.

What will you believe?

What a 'peaceful' muslim says or what the Koran says.

Mukina2 read them too and if you realise you've been solld a can of worms in the name of Islam,it is never too late to come to Christ.

I'm being very serious now.

You are never condemned until death despite your shahada.

Jesus is standing and knocking at your heart.

And honestly you now have no excuse,you have heard the gospel.

I pray the Lord Jesus reveals himself in a mighty way to you so that you can be an ambassador of this good news.

In christ you need not worry about the rituals for the holy spirit in living in you shall teach you to serve Him in spirit and in truth.

now the site I talked about.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/index.html

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Mukina I do not hate Muslims.I've said it before,I have close muslim friends,I mean people I've been to their houses,they've been to mine,eaten their foods,gone clothes shopping with,to restaurants including halal only restaurants.

I have a good friend from Turkey I did all the above with,she wears a hijab when we go out,we respect and love each others company and she would do anything for me and likewise,she's moved to England and we miss each other.

So Mukina I judge people as individuals not as a group.

The only problem I have with Islam is the fact that almost ALL terrorist attacks are being done by people who hold that faith, and some of these they do with the blessings of the Islamic leaders and there is not enough outrage from Muslims about this.

Secondly I had thought these attacks were just from 'bad' Muslims then I open the Koran and hadiths read where Muhammad killed innocent people,Molested their women and also asked his followers to kill infidels and people who convert to other faiths so now I know it's not the bad Muslims,it's actually  Islamic teachings

And Nigeria my own country has started sharia in the northern part,a barbaric practice that is so selective on the victims and they are beginning to apply it to Christians too.

So Mukina2,you see my frustrations with Islam

Here is a little sample or terrorist attacks from the US state  Dept.most by Islamists

I'll look for the list of recent Nigerian attacks and post it

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm

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softie

if we are serving the wrong god as you said then you are serving the right god ait?

Islam is a religion of peace.its so beautiful,so nice,

i cant imagine life without that blessed religion

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@Mukina2,

I know the question was not directed at me but i dont think that it is a personal issue. It is just the fact of what Islam is made up of, the rules, the outrageous behaviour by one called a prophet, the behaviour of muslims in society, the hatred and the effect it is having on society. The truth has to be said. How can anybody not be against Islam?

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All love to Muslims because i see those out there who really try hard to please a God but they are serving the wrong God!

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babyosisi i didnt follw anyone here

i have a question for you

why do you against islam so much?

did any muslim hurt you or a loved one?

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As long as i can remember, islam has come to symbolise the full embodiment of the word "hatred". No body has more hate in him than the radical muslim who thinks nothing of taking his own life just to kill a few "infidels" in the hope of "heavenly" licentious living with virgins and beer!

The words you see here are not words of hate, they are words from frustrated and pained hearts. Words from the hearts of those who are tired and frustrated of being told to bear the senseless loss of lives and property that follows every islamic enclave. Tired of the whole world having to bow to the wishes of a majority wrongly tagged "a few radical elements". The world is tired of wars in Sudan, Iraq, Lebanon e.t.c. They are tired of suicide attacks, bomb blasts, train wrecks and aircraft hijackings, the world would want to be rid of the likes of ahmedinajad who are an embodiment of religious intolerance.

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mukina2,you don follow Davidylan come here?

what hatred?

The truth is always so bitter.

Honestly speaking,if Islam is eliminated today( sentiments aside),there would be 'peace' in the world.

I am not praying they are killed or eradicated which doesn't look humanly possible anyway,if you check all the various religious threads it all comes down to Islam and terrorism.

While all Muslims are not terrorists,the numbers that turn so are alarming and we have a reason to be concerned.

You Muslims also should be concerned,I heard about 200 or so muslims died in the world trade center Inferno that could have been anyone.

This war can only be won by the non violent muslims telling the violent ones not to interprete the call by the Koran to kill us literally.

They have to stop teaching their kids and babies to call us pigs and all sorts of names.

Or that virgins are waiting with outstretched arms and luscious lips.

There has to be an end because frankly people are becoming very impatient and you cannot blame them.

The past riots over and over about the silly cartoons just potray Muslims as senseless murderous hooligans.

Rather than come and speak big grammar like ajiasafe and the others,you have to resolve to make adifference.

Teach your children to love people and respect their views and not call them names.

Truly let your religion be yours and let ours be ours not only here in the west but it should apply in Saudi,Egypt,Syria and Nigeria too.

But as long as you kill Christians,killings sanctioned by Islamic states,honey we shall keep talking about it.

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well well well

what more can one say when too much hatred is everwhere

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This has been my cry for ages, if TRULY you hate the west, what are you doing there and not taking the next flight to Lebanon or Saudi Arabia? Can you imagine the hypocrites flaunting there US and EU passports when these western nations came to ferry their citizens out of Lebanon? The same people would not hesitate to burn US flags and chant "death to America" at the slightest opportunity yet they would kill to become citizens there. In western nations, islamic preferences are accomodated and allowed to flourish, muslims have a mosque in Rome (the seat of catholicism), will they allow a church in mecca? How many muslims have the "right" to obtain citizenships of western nations when it is almost impossible to do that in islamic nations?

So much hypocrisy!

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Saudi is supposed to be the epitome of Sharianess yet it's prince was in a gay bar out of Saudi frolicking with his male lover .

Talk of hipocrisy.

Christ and Christ only can save.

Every other gods na so so yeye

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See how people can protest on the streets against the governments in the West, that is impossible in Islamic nations. Govts. in Islamic nations are very oppressive. Even though muslims tend to hate the US, many of them would give anything to go and live there. I know several such people in Nigeria. Arabs and muslims can go to West and become citizens. People from very different cultures, with very different worldviews, yet they are accepted in the West. They are given full rights as citizens, rights they would never have had in their own countries. The leaders in Islamic societies enjoy a lot of Western luxuries, while encouraging their followers to hate the West. The followers hate, and envy, the West while longing for the luxuries there.

Sharia is a terrible thing. It doesn't really enforce high moral standards. it only brings about hypocrites. There are high rates of homosexuality and promiscuity in the North of Nigeria with all the sharia. Yet they all come out and pretend to be good muslims encouraging sharia. Even the muslims that support sharia run to christian organizations when they become victims of sharia. I wonder how ppl can afford to live under such oppression.

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I would only implore Muslims to study and compare the life and teachings of Christ to that of Muhammad.

In Islam unfortunately,they cannot ask questions.

Bejoule your tone is much different now,at last you have called  a spade a spade

USA has its problems and so does Greece and Great Britain.

But one thing is clear.

You are free in these places to worship a stone if you choose to as long as you don't throw them at your neighbors.

A concept too hard for Islamists to grasp.

The west has bent over backwards to accomodate them but yet they whine and complain at every chance they get.

Why would the Danish government have to apologise for cartoons drawn by a free citizen?

They do not understand that unlike Islamic governments,citizens  there are free people with free will not robots programmed to fight the cause of a god that cannot defend itself.

A barbaric religion of the stone age with no relevance today,no wonder those who dared to convert are slaughtered.

You may ask,why would anyone choose to convert from a religion that prides itself as the best thing that happened to man next to icecream?

I'll like you to watch this clip from an Arab woman and see the sort of people we are dealing with.

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Thanks for your response. First, I'd like you to understand that the background of the Sharia is very questionable. As long as Muhammad claimed to have been sent by the same God who speaks in the Bible, we should examine his claims by that same standard. You will not find any semblance of the Sharia in the Bible such that an apostate is put to death. This is what Muslims have not understood and so continue to take Muhammad's claims to be divine simply because he said so. His moral life alone should make any unbiased reader know that he was not sent by God as a prophet.

Sorry but Muhammed would never of considered him devine for the man was not a conceit. In accordance with the little bit of research that I have done. His followers called him a prophet, and he probably concured. In order to be a prophet you must have been involved with a miracle. Muhammeds was that he was an undereducated/illiterate man who all of the sudden was able to read and recite from that which was passed down from him. Low and behold he is versing the best prose in all of medina. I believe they called him a "poet", but how can an illiterate man be a poet?

Now do I know for sure, unconditionally, that Muhammed was approached by the angel Gabriel? Well no, but even as a Christian I have to have faith. If I can not believe in the events that happened to Muhammed how can I possibly believe that the near similar happened with early Christianity?

As far as terrorists goes, guys try to understand that in all cultures and in all races there are bad apples. Period! Our own country in the U.S. is garbage on many levels. That does not mean there are righteous people within the land. And as far as seeing people on the news killing people, well at least they can do it in the open because they have nothing to hide. Where as most of the killing done by our government is done covertly, so you never really hear about it until 10 years later when you stumble upon some sort of DOD report stating, "ooops, yeah, it was us, it was wrong but we wont let it happen again"

Human killing human is just as natural of a natural disaster as a hurricane. The only difference is that human natural disaster can be improved and worked on, whereas it is almost impossible for man to control the weather.

Also, you can not combat terrorism with an act of terrorism. If the u.S. wants to rid the world of WMD's why would they not set the example? Fear, AntiTrust,

And i have plenty of muslim friends from the old worlds such as karachi, and algeria and not one of them has ever told me my faith is wrong or that I needed o convert. Yes, I am sure in the old countries tht that is the case, but remember that at one time Christians acted in the same way.

I must admit though many of you bring up good points and arguments but other than a select few, who unfortunately sound like they have suffered from bad experiences from the wrong environment, many of you still sound as if you receive your information from potentially ill sources. Maybe I am wrong though, I do not know everthing or anything. I do know that if you study the behaviour of children and apply what you learn to adults you will be able to smell falseness and the non-truth like a fart from a donkey.

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The sheikh added, “A man has the right to choose his religion, but once he is a Muslim then he has lost that right. If he changes, under the laws of Sharia, he should be put to death.”

Sheikh Hamdan said, "The biggest threat to our Islamic faith today is the influence of Christianity and Western culture."Yet, in the face of persecution, Christians in Zanzibar say they'll continue to spread the message of Christ.

Lobow explained, "We still come together and worship, we still encourage one another, and we still preach love."

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@ 4malik i am tempted to  move away from my computer because that is what  do when ever some one mentions god to me, but i will stay. i know that god loves me , i know he can deliver me today, right now how ever i feel bond, that is all i am going to say on this forum the rest i leave to god and he knows the fight i am going through because he is the one holding my hand leading me to safety.

thanks for your prayers.

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4malik,I understand the context in which you wrote.

I enjoy reading from you.

God is indeed no respecter of persons.

He continues to prove himself.

Any Christians who are killed by these animals in the name of Islam,like Stephen is welcomed with open arms at the gate of glory.For to die is gain.

Read this,it is interesting.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/060711a.aspx

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@babyosisi,

Well, I want to apologise for one of my lines where I joked that "you would have been roasting like suya" - it was meant to demonstrate the mindset I had as a Muslim in my dark. . . very dark days. The "people of the Book" (Christians) I once hated for the love of the *Allah* of the Qur'an have now become my very love, and babyosisi you're one of them.

Does it then mean that "the people of the Qur'an" have become the opposite of my love? Not at all - because, after I experienced the divine love and grace of Jesus Christ, I knew what true love is for the very first time in my life. . . and my hope is to challenge my dear Muslim friends to see what Islam actually is, so that they could take the bold leap of faith and seek the true God who truly loves people. I've not always done this in a proper manner, but I'm learning everyday.

I agree with you that it is very wrong for anyone - Christian or Muslim - to suggest even remotely that a person has to leave their country because of religious beliefs. That's why I asked earlier:  what really makes a person a citizen of any country - their religion or their birthright? So, to suggest at all that Christians murdered in northern Nigeria must have brought it upon themselves is not only wrong, it is absolutely wicked. Killing anybody just because they don't believe what I believe is diabolical, I'm sorry to say.

@Coco29,

Well, that wasn't easy at all for me. I can only summarily say that the challenge lasted for about 3 years before I cried out to God for help. I had done something I can't presently recount here on the Forum; but when He answered and brought me through, I knew there was something about that name - Jesus Christ! Then I experienced a miracle for myself about a year later, and that was it for me - I was determined to seek Him even if it cost me my life. I still receive death threats, but Jesus has been faithful. I thank God for my parents - my muslim dad found Christ and I noticed the tremendous changes in him, which were a great help to me.

You really don't know how strong is the spirit in Islam, but I know now that it is not of the true and loving God (see I John 4:1). I only say this to persuade and encourage you to know that, if God could find, love and save me in the depths of my wickedness, He sure can do the same and change your testimony. You don't know half the wickedness I did in my dark days; but here I am - forgiven, redeemed, cleansed and empowered to love for Jesus' sake. Coco29, your testimony can be greater than mine, and I'm adding you to my prayer list.

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hiding your love for the Lord is not right, did he not say that that is one of the signs of his coming when he is denied.

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This is an interesting excerpt from the testimony of a former muslim,now a pastor here in the USA.

Long but interesing and eyeopening.

So malik,there are many like you.

ISSA AHMAD KHALID

As I mentioned already, I took this name and spent several years being a rather influential force in my local Muslim communities, giving lectures at many Mosques and even appearing on television twice with a local Muslim celebrity. As ashamed as I am of saying this, I took great joy in angering the feelings of Christians with my rhetoric, even behaving in a most confrontational manner as I did everything within my power to completely insult and deride the Christian Faith, all with the blessings of the Muslims. This was so obvious in my writings as I pulled no punches in lashing out against the Bible, going so far as to call it pornographic and immoral. I would spend hours upon hours going through its pages in an attempt to find anything I could to further insult it, even if it meant quoting passages out of context as any knowledgeable Christian would be able to deduce from my writings, but I imagine I was aiming my works to a demographic that was not knowledgeable. I will say this though; that if anything good came out of my bad intentions towards the Bible, it is that my deep study into it for the purpose of defaming it only proved itself to be the reason for my return to the Christian Faith.

DISILLUSIONS WITH ISLAM

There were many factors that eventually led to my disillusions with Islam, all of which stemmed not only from the behaviour of the Muslims themselves, but by their teachings and literature as well. In the forefront of it all was the character of Muhammad, who I came to accept as the greatest of all the Prophets of Almighty God (Allah), and the bearer of God’s final revelation to mankind which the Muslims believe is embodied in the pages of the Qur’an. I read so much in the way of Islamic literature that I not only propagated the belief that Islam was the most perfect of religions, but that Muhammad was the culmination of God’s perfection. So much of this Islamic literature was aimed at using The Holy Bible as a tool to prove the validity of both Muhammad and Islam with claims to Biblical references to Muhammad’s prophethood. On the one hand, Muslims (myself included) would continually rant about the corruption of The Holy Bible, and yet on the other hand we would use the same Bible we defamed as a tool to prove the advent of Muhammad. This was pure hypocrisy not only on my part, but on the part of all Muslims who continually follow this criteria, and the criteria I make mention of is taking certain passages of The Holy Bible and quote them completely out of context in order to spin them into our own ideology and interpretation. This is no different than the dishonest archer. Where a true archer would draw the target first and then shoot the arrow into the bull’s eye, the dishonest archer would shoot the arrow first and then proceed to draw the target around the arrow. Needless to say, no such proofs of Muhammad exist in The Holy Bible and any such examples used by Muslims, like those I myself used as a Muslim, is nothing more than the fancy work of spin doctors. I will now address some examples.

"The burden upon Arabia." Isaiah 21:13

In this passage, Muslims will try and convince all who will listen that this is in reference to both Muhammad and the Muslim world as the heralds of God’s everlasting Law simply because the word Arabia appears, but in no wise does this refer to any burden placed upon Arabia as such Muslim scholars as Sheikh Ahmed Deedat would have you believe in his "Bible Combat Kit", rather it is a warning (prophecy) against Arabia.

When read and studied in its proper, historical context, it deals with the Dedanites, who had availed themselves of the hospitality of the Arabs whenever they travelled through the desert, would now lodge in the forests because the Arabs would be driven from the land. So again, in this we have no reference to Muhammad.

"The Lord came from Sinai and rose up from Seir; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and He came with ten thousands of saints; from His right hand went a fiery new law." Deuteronomy 33:2

This passage chronicles the journey of the Children of Israel under the Prophet Moses; from their escape out of Egypt into the desert, to the giving of the Law at Mt. Sinai, to finally coming forth into the Promised Land out of Paran with the Law. Muslims claim that Mount Paran and the fiery new law refers to Mecca and the Qur’an, and that when Muhammad had entered into Mecca he brought with him 10,000 of his followers. Again, the problem for the Muslims here lays in the fact that this passage has a historic significance in that Moses was educating the new generation of Israelites, as the old had died out, about the journeys of the Israelites into the Promised Land. As far as the term "Ten Thousands Of Saints" is concerned, the obvious fact is that thousands is in the plural, which denotes a great myriad in the hundreds of thousands being that the Hebrew script of the time had no zeros, which is why thousands is in the plural. Also, Mount Paran is not in Arabia, but rather in the Sinai Desert. This in no way makes any notion to the advent of Muhammad.

"The villages that Kedar doth inhabit." Isaiah 42:11

"Arabia and all the princes of Kedar." Ezekiel 27:21

Again, we have a failure on the part of the Muslims to understand the historic significance of these passages. While it is true that among the sons of Ishmael one was named Kedar, to use this passage to prove the advent of Muhammad is groundless as Kedar was another name for Arabia during the time of both Prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel. Also, Ezekiel makes it clear that he was referring to local merchants when speaking of the "Princes Of Kedar".

"For to you every vision has become like the words of a sealed book. You give it to someone able to read and say, read that. He replies, I cannot because it is sealed. You then give the book to someone who cannot read and say, read that. He replies, I cannot read." Isaiah 29:11-12

Muslims use this passage in reference to Muhammad being given the revelation of the Qur’an, in spite of the fact he could not read. They also lay this claim on the fact that the first chapter (surah) of the Qur’an is titled "Al-Fatihah" (The Opening) forgetting that this particular chapter of the Qur’an was not the first one supposedly revealed to Muhammad. This passage, in fact, deals with the Prophet Isaiah reprimanding the Israelites for rejecting the Word of God and following false prophets.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My Words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I command him." Deuteronomy 18:18

Here God is telling Moses and the Children of Israel that He will raise prophethood from among their brethren, and this is proven from the long line of prophets sent to the Israelites. The Muslim use of this passage to prove the advent of Muhammad stands on a shaky foundation as the Ishmaelites are not the brothers of the Israelites but rather the cousins, and that to use the term "brethren" in any other context is wrong as proven from the use of the word is the same chapter 18 of Deuteronomy, verse 7.

"The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes." Psalms 118:22-23

Muslims claim this refers to Muhammad, however, our Risen Lord Christ Jesus quoted this prophecy in Matthew 21:42-43, indicating that He was the fulfillment of this prophecy.

"The Coming Light" made reference to in Isaiah 42:1-2, 6-7 once again deals with the Lord Jesus, who walked the earth 600 years before Muhammad was even born.

"And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever; the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept Him because it neither sees Him nor knows Him, but you know Him for He lives with you and will be in you." John 14:16-17

Muslims claim that Jesus was referring to Muhammad, but as Christians we know that Jesus was speaking of the Holy Spirit. For example, the passage states that the Counselor will be with us forever. Muhammad did not abide with us forever, but rather he died. The passage also states that the world could neither see nor know the Counselor, but Muhammad was seen and known by many people. The passage also says that the Counselor would live and abide inside us; Muhammad could do no such thing as he was not a spirit. Jesus makes it quite clear that this passage speaks of the Counselor as the Holy Spirit in the following

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Coco,4malik is not unique actually so many Muslims convert daily.

In Africa alone the figures according to Muslim clerics is 6 million yearly.

Yes 6 millions muslims convert to serve the living God annually and with the rate of prayers going up to heaven,that number will increase.

Many who convert to serve Christ in Islamic countries or domains keep keep it secret for fear of people like abeem who would prefer them killed.

See a few testimonies of converts.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Testimonies/

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wow that actually happens. please explain how that happened(moving from islam to chris)

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@coco29.

The Lord is always ready for you.

Don't delay,tomorrow might be too late.

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4malik you meant to say babyosisi not coco.

no offence,I love you with the love of the Lord.

We need more people like you on these discussions.

Someone who has been a muslim and saw the light of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

I get very emotional when I hear such utterances as the one from abeem because I have lost relatives in the religious crises in nothern Nigeria and to hear anyone condone such 14th century acts motivated by the Islamic religion is just absurd.

He is indirectly telling me that those my relatives brought this on themselves by living in the North.

I will not accept that.

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Coco29 has said it all, though I for one would not directly call you a hypocrite (I hope Coco29 doesn't mind me now) because we all have our various ways of seeing issues. Islam imposes its own civilization or belief system on a people because Muslims think that other laws or way of life offend their sensibilities. It's really a convoluted way of seeing things if one cries foul at a situation while practising the very same thing being decried.

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well, i am a backslider now don't start my dad do that every day, so does the most high.

my point is, Islam is not a religion of love or peace, any religion that promotes hate of any one can not be of god, because he said to love ya enemy, so it is impossible to argue with him.

my ex-husband sister is Muslim so i get pretty deep with her, and i do feel sorry for them, all we can do is pray and ask god to help them, they are truly lost.

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Kellorah,I second the same wow.

After reading from Abeem is there any doubt why Islam is a violent  non tolerant religion.

Is there any wonder why they would kill at will.

How about where the koran says let your religion be yours and mine be mine that has been frequentently thumped as us by the other Muslim forumites,have you torn that away from your koran abeem,whited it out or it doesn't apply here.

Was it finally abrogated while we were out on lunch break.

He advocates that all other people should move away from Islamic areas ASAP or else submit to Sharia.

A little different from the"peaceful religion" of belotti,mukina2,olabowale and the other forumites.

Is this a true muslim speaking or do we have one of the bad eggs.Help me out Mr belotti.

We have a man in Michigan but of the Taliban.

US Govt should take note.

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isn't that what Islam is all about? well then u would have to be a hypocrite.

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@malik

If a house is built on a false foundation, it will not last long before it crumbles to its foundation.  There was an example of such in Lagos in recent days.  But if your house is built on concrete/stone, it will stand the test of time.  Now if as you claimed the religion was not divinely revealed as claimed by the Prophet Muhammed, how come it is still waxing stronger more than 1400 years afer his demise? Well it is built on truth and try as you could, the flame of falsehood and propaganda motivated by hate and disdain for the person of the Holy Prophet cannot extinguish the light of Islam.  

If the people of a State in their wisdom wants to adopt a law, it does not matter if there are dissenting voices inasmuch as they constitute a minority, their dissent does not matter. I am sure you appreciate that in a democracy (as practiced in Northern States), the majority holds the ace.  My previous references to the two states in the US each having different laws on a particular crime is apposite in this context.  Yes, the constitution of the Federal Govt. says the country is a secular country (meaning the country will not willy-nilly impose a particular religion on Nigerians) but the State have the freedom to adopt the religion they desire.  Are you left in doubt as to the possibility of the OBJ admin (the president having admitted for the umpteen times that he is a born again Christian) not challeging the Northern States if this is not the case.   Having said that, a Christian living in a State governed by Sharia can object to trial under Sharia and his objection will hold.  Can you give an example of a Christian who was tried under Sharia Law against his objection? I am waiting for an answer.

There is no point overflogging this issue.  If you contravene a law, you must face the music.  Abdul-Rahman of Afghanistan obviously know that Afghanistan law does not take kindly to apostasy yet he chose to confront the law.  That is an affront. It would have been wise to simply leave or renounce his citizenship of Afghanistan and go live elsewhere where apostasy is not a crime.  Same thing applies to anybody who fears retribution for apostasy.  If you feel your freedom to practice your new found religion is infringed upon by your State but you are powerless because it is against the law of you State, why for God sake do you want to remain in a place you know you are despiced and unwanted? I call it an affront to established law of the State.

I cannot fathom what you mean by protection by Western Democracies.  I do not see the idea of women not wearing Burq'a or Jilbab as a form of protection.  Just because there is no regulation does not imply the government is protecting the women.  I am sure if it part of their law for women to wear Burq'a or Jilbab, they will definitely punish errant behaviour.  

Please refrain from judging a people from your perceived level of "civilization".  You cannot impose your civilization or belief system on a people if you think their law or way of live offend your sensibilities.  There is a term for it in Sociology, it is called ethnocentric.

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I was quite fascinated with this abeem guy who lives in Michigan,enjoying the freedom to live his life as he wishes and yet supports or excuses the killing of anyone that converts from Islam in sharia.

What a hipocrite!.

How dare you support the killing of Christian and again blame them for putting themselves in a position to be killed.

You are most likely to be Yoruba.

Let me inform you in case you do not know that some Yoruba Muslims have been slaughtered in Northern Nigeria during the riots for being "ye ye Muslims".

I beg to differ with bajoule greatly who claims to be 'christian' and promotes some kind of ecumenical thingy including Muslims.

Honey read your bible carefully.

Islam is a product of the bond woman Hagar,the handmaid of Sarah Abrahams wife.

His name was Ismael.He was sent away with his mother eventually.

The book of Galatians chapter 4 makes it clear that we are the Children of the free woman Sarah,heirs of promise by God,through the birth of Isaac,the free born.

Go to Galatians 4 verse 22-31.

It breaks it right down.

Gal 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23  But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise.

Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, [thou] barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.

Gal 4:30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

And if you desire to see what became of Ishmael in the old testament read Genesis 21 to confirm the text above in the new testament and see why the muslims see Christians as a thorn in their flesh.

Be not deceived,Christianity and Islam are not one.

Lastly the promises were made to Christians and Christians only not Abrahamic faiths.

Gal 3;16  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

We just ask that Muslims practice their faiths without intimidating other Muslims  who become Christians snd wish to serve the Lord in Spirit and in Truth.

Hiding under the cloak Sharia is evil,Christ will judge all murderers at the appointed time.

To answer the question why do Muslims hate Christians see Galatians 4;29 again.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.

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@Abeem,

I'd echo m4malik's persuasion by stating that the Sharia is out of sync with a civilized world. It may be alright for some Muslims to prefer the Sharia to civil rule, but to impose that on non-Muslims is, in practical terms, quite uncivilized.

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In what way does Christianity want to rule over them? It is islam that world conforms to. Muslims are not going about it the right way, there is no need to bomb the world in order for them to give them what they want - however it does say that in the Quran.

"Fight in the name of Allah, Fight them until they give you peace"

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