I don't get it. They will always compare it to christianity and use mind games. Why?
sorry this is not an insult but going by your last few posts, it smacks of confusion and a desperate and uncoordinated attempt to burnish your quran. Allah may be called anything by anyone, it wont matter because he still remaiins nothing but a false god.
What really is your grouse with whether Jesus is pronounced with a J or not? The issue at the end will not be how you pronounced his name but how you lived your life!
Thanks 4 that. Please when u want to discuss with me always avoid abusive words. Concerning the Quranic translation u quoted, they called him like that just for you to understand it. Also, for the English speaking audience to really understand what they wanted to put across. Basically, the language of Jesus, as u called him, contains no LETTER L.
My friend continue with your research but with open mind to know the truth. May Allah guide u aright! For your information Allah means Olorun in Yoruba, therefore, be careful of your reply!
Truly Allah discuss Jesus as He did to the other prophets that He was the one that sent them message. Our own is to beleive in them all without saying abusive words agianst them.
Q2.285: (The messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference between any of His messengers; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course)
Where were you when OlaAjia uttered more than abusive words about Solomon on the Religion board?
And as for all the other misconceptions you're trumpeting on this thread, I'll just refrain for now to give you time to go through other threads and see how they've been roundly dealt with. It's only a pity you haven't taken good time to study the background of the Qur'an itself.
I don't know so much Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic - the original languages of the Bible; but I know that you're highly mistaken to suppose that the New Testament was written in Hebrew - for it is in the NT that Jesus is mentioned. Secondly, if you have a quarrel about the name Jesus, then your translators must have done a very, very poor job by your evaluation, because Yussuf Ali and Pickthal, translated His name as J[/b]esus. Let me show you:
[b]YUSUFALI: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
Besides, why don't you take a moment and consider the life and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ? The Qur'an definitely claims that *Allah* sent down, revealed and confirmed the Gospel of Jesus Christ - wouldn't it be great to take a calm and prayerful look at what that Gospel is? May God grant you His saving grace in Christ as you do so.
Truly, Allah's word can never change. What he has destined will come to past. Allah sent prophets after prophets to invite people to His way and save them from destruction. After the demise of the last prophet (though u didn't beleive in him), there is not going to be any prophets again, hence the message has been completed, that is why the last Book unlike other books, will remain the same till the wprld will come to end.
Do u know that Hebrew language which is the language of Jesus contains no letter J, then why do u call him Jesus not Isa, as it was written in original language of the Bible. Please ask anybody that understand the language before u post ur respond.
Quran as we, Muslim have it today is called The Uthmanic Edition simply because it was compired in book form during his caliphate. Your mistake is that u taught it was Uthman that compired it, Emphatic NO!
It was compired by the committe of Sohabas that memorised it with the confirmation of the written ones during the prophet life time.
Is your Bible like that? Who and who compired it? Do u know all that is in Bible are not all Jesus words? Quran is neither Prophet Muhammed words nor his companion.
May Allah guide u alright but u meet Him.
godisgreat is obviously a confused man,has he even read his own koran or history of the caliphates.
We know of a few converts to Islam already making the News yipeee like the recent captured terrorist,keep enticing those perverts to join you in their quest for wide eyed virgins and we shall keep finding them out.
So which one are you shia or sunni,be careful when you go to the arab mosques,some sunnis like to blow up shias when they are head down,bottoms up.
Do you really understand Islam at all? I have no problem with the idea that some Muslims feel islam respects the religious choices of other people - which clearly it does not. But do "real Muslims" respect that choice when a Muslim seeks to convert to other religions? If you have no problem converting others to Islam, don't you think Muhammad disrespected their free choice by seeking to kill Muslim converts to other religions?
The Qur'an of today is not the same as the ones Muhammad gave. Apart from the historical fact that during Muhammad's life, his companions had different readings of the Qur'anic verses; it is a known fact as well that the third Caliph Uthman ordered all the existing copies of the Qur'an to be burnt after he had produced his own edited version. So what you're reading today is the political redaction of Uthman and not Muhammad's Qur'an.
Besides, if you would only take the challenge to do a bit more research, you'll find that there are as many spurious copies of the Qur'an as you accuse the Bible; and all those copies of the Qur'an do not agree in just the same way you're accusing the Bible.
i have one question to ask and i wish a truthful muslim will answer me if there is any
u take a trip to a muslim state(country) afghanistan for instance, they would kill u if u convert to another religion, infact other religions are not allowed
but u take another trip to a secular state the west for instance, the muslims would still want to be heard there.
so since they want to be heard in our own side of the fence why wont they allow us make same noise in their own end.
i have always wondered after turning the checks both ways then wat next? may be we might resort to the days of saul but this time around i doubt if the fat rams and goat will survive
Now tell me how that can be possible when the same prophet proclaims that Allah's words can never be changed? Want references? Check out the following from your Qu'ran:
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
PICKTHAL: Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.
SHAKIR: They shall have good news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.
Can you reconcile these anomalies?
And i dear say it is sheer ignorance to just accept anything from that quraish prophet as the "words of Allah"! Every scientific discovery about the earth is vindicated in the bible! The world is round and is suspended in space! Alas the quran says something else! In the bible the sun rises from the east and sets in the west, alas in the quran your sun sets in a muddy spring! Does it rise from the sea too?
Dear, go back and read your geography very well, hills and mountains are formed by compression of the earth's tectonic plates! Dont play dumb here!
About the being not there to experience the "creation", nice way of putting things you dont understand, at least my bible makes me understand how my world was created and even science validates it! Your quran? Just a pack of "god ordained" lies and contradictions.
You might want to give more evasive answers to these too!
And the moon, We have measured for it mansions (to traverse) till it returns like the old dried curved date stalk. It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). S. 36:39-40 Hilali-Khan
So the quranic sun and moon both "swim along in their own orbit"?
The "peaceful religion" in action 2004.
Don't be deceived.
Muslim Governor Orders Destruction of Nigerian Churches
It appears that the situation in Nigeria is worse than I thought.
Governor Ahmed Sani of Zamfara State, has ordered the demolition of all churches in the state, as he launched the second phase of his Sharia project yesterday.
Speaking at the launch in Gusau, the state capital, Governor Sani disclosed that time was ripe for full implementation of the programme as enshrined in the Holy Quran.
He added that his government would soon embark on demolition of all places of worship of unbelievers in the state, in line with Islamic injunction to fight them wherever they are found. The questions is, will the federal government of Nigeria actually do something to enforce the country's constitution, which guranatees full religious freedom? Indeed, given the violent atmosphere that already exists, would it even be possible to do so without creating a state of civil war?
In any case, the story is still being buried by secular media in the United States, though it is highly relevant given the current state of war with Islamo-facists in the Middle East. We should not kid ourselves. What is happening in Nigeria is not an abberation where radical Islam comes to power.
Hat Tip: Clayton Cramer
And I bear witness that Mohammed was an opportunist,a craddle-robber and a murderous womanizer and his followers are just like him.
I also bear witness that that God the father,God the son and God the Holy Spirit are one.
That Jesus came to earth to save us all including Nuru,for He stands at the door of your heart and knocks,if you will open today,He will come in and give you that rest that Allah the pagan god of the moon and star cannot provide.
I bear witness that My Creator, My God is One as found in the Biblical faith, and and confessed by all who have experienced His Love in His beloved Son Jesus Christ. I also bear witness that Muhammad is not His messenger and prophet in as much as the true and living God does not approve of a sinner as His messenger.
Islam has never been easy for me to practise.
I want to seize this opportunity to invite you into Islam. Its your innate religion. You only just have to acknowledge it consciously.
You can begin by saying in your heart or confessing with your tongue ' I bear witness that My Creator, My God is One. He has no partners, no associates and Him alone I will worship. I also bear witness that Muhammad is His Messanger and Prophet '.
I pray that Islam will be easy for you to practise.
My dear nuru,
Blind, deaf and dogmatic are adjectives you use for a person who refuses to consider the obvious polytheism in the Qur'an - e.g., YOU.
My questions received no answers from you and you have the temerity to call me deaf and prejudiced - because you can't see that there's no oneness in 'WE created'? Where is the oneness in the plural pronoun "WE" as used of 'Allah' in the Qur'an? Who actually are the 'WE' in that statement? It's either there's only one creator ('I created' - singular), or there are several of them as in the Qur'an ('WE created' - plural). Is that too difficult for you to understand?
The "Allah" of the Qur'an is not my God, for he is nothing like the true and living God in the Bible. If you have no answers, I'd understand that. But to be additionally arrogant in addressing me as you've done only makes matters worse.
The Quran was revealed to be understood by all generations in different ages. The reflection of the setting of sun in a murky water that ZulQuarinaen witnessed is nothing for you to trouble your mind about. Afterall you were not there to witness the event. The words of God are spoken for people who do not have mischief at hearth to understand.
Allah says He used the Mountain to balance the earth and you are doubting. Are you the creator, or is it science that tells you its not true. If you care, take a study on earth/geological science even at amateur level and see the revelations. Mind you, there are lots of things about creation that even science today cannot explain. So be warned that when Allah speaks, it is the Truth and it will be cheer arrogance to claim otherwise.
It appears you just choose to be deaf to explainations given on this thread. You would do well to remove prejudice from your mind. Leave it open so that Light can come in. You have not denied the use of languages in different grammatical coinages for different tongues and people, yet you are constraining yourself from understanding the Oneness and Uniqueness of your God. Even if you do not become a muslim which I am praying for you, you at least should acknowledge the Truth.
My dear nuru,
English has rules of grammar is not confusing - it's either a singular pronoun (I, ME, MY, or MINE) or a plural pronoun (WE, US, OUR, or OURS). "Allah" in the Qur'an used the plural pronouns "WE" in "WE created".
Simple question - Who are the 'WE' in 'WE created'?
You keep going round in circles dodging this question. Is it because the truth is obvious - that Islam is actually polytheistic but just brags that it is not? With whom did Allah create the world that he could not have used the singular pronoun "I created" instead?? Who are the 'WE' in 'WE' created?
it seems trying to explain to you does not work, from now on i will serve you muslims back your own medicine. Pls help me understand the following CONTRADICTIONS in your "holy" writ!
In plain words, the Qur’an says that one of the righteous men of God’s servants saw the sun set in a certain place of the earth—in particular a well full of water and mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded in the Qur’an (chapter "the Cave", verse 86),
"When he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: ‘O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness"’ (Surah 18:86).
Pls help me understand here, where does the muslim sun set?
Several thousand years ago, the Holy Bible clearly recorded that the earth is round and that it is hung on nothing.
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth" (Isa. 40:22).
"He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing" (Job 26:7).
In chapter 88:17,20, it is recorded,
"Will they not regard the camels how they are created, and the Earth how it is spread?"
The Qur’anic teaching is obvious from the comment of Jalalan that "the earth is flat and not round as the scientists claim". What made Jalal al-Din say so is that the Qur’an hints in many chapters that the earth is flat(refer to 19:6, 79:30, 18:7, and 21:30). Also the Qur’an indicates that:
"We have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake so as not to sway and hurt people" (21:31).
Scholars who agree upon the meaning of this verse believe as the Jalalan states (pp. 270-271),
"God has founded firm mountains on earth lest it shake people."
On page 429, al-Baydawi says,
"God has made firm mountains on earth lest it sway people and quake. He also made heaven as a ceiling and kept it from falling down!"
Pray! how scientifically erroneous can the "word of God" get? First the sun sets in a muddy spring of water, next the earth is flat and mountains are rained down as tent pegs to hold down the earth. Did god forget about how he created the earth?
Why are you trying to play blind. Allah Alone is the creator of the Heavens and the Earth. He is one. Even the english that I am using to communicate with you recognises Imperial Talks.
If you are not convinced that Allah is One, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but dont misrepresent a fact that is clear.
Your Lord, your God is One. He has no partner and Him alone you should worship.
Your concern for language - Yoruba or any other - is still missing the mark. My question was, is, and will continue to be -
Who do the WE in "WE created" refer to? To Allah alone, or to Allah and his partners? Who are his partners in the "WE"?
Notice the important qualifier - "created". If "Allah" is alone the only creator, there should be no "WE" in such a divine work, because then nobody should share in any way in that glory.
But if "Allah" is not alone the creator, by the constant use of "WE" in 'WE created', he has qualified himself with partners - and that is the essential thing you're failing to see.
Creation is something that only the creator is involved with - and if that's true, there should be no ambiguities about this and that immediately nullifies the 'WE' in the refrain.
Now, as concerning the numbers, how has that helped us to understand our relationship with God if Allah's number is 1 and he reduces everyone else to 0?
Allah is the Lord over the Yorubas as well as other tribes. I have to give the example of Yorubas because such language usage seems strange and impossible to you.
Now that you accept that it is possible to speak majestically, you would now ask why Allah used such language slant for Himself. The answer is that He is Our God. He knows us, He knows that He has allowed different language slants to be in use among His creatures. Mind you the language we speak is not what the animals speak, yet they understand themselves. For us human beings, out of His Mercy He has sent down His Books throughout the generations in different forms and formats and in different languages. So that no one will have any excuse of not hearing the message. He knows that among some us, it is the use of language majestically that will convey the message in concrete terms. He knows some other language style will suit others. So He spoke to all of us and yet affirm His singularity. And that is why the common denominator in the messages of all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah including Christ Jesus is the worship of One God.
As for miracles with numbers, you and I know that Our God created the world and all in it with order and rhythm. In this age that we happen to be around, orderliness is mostly expressed in numbers. Our great computer system is based on simple ordering of 1 and 0.
Why 1 and 0, because our Creator is 1 all of us put together is 0. That is the meaning of Lailaa illa LLAU, there is no ( 0 ) god Except Allah (1 ).
Come to think of it Number 19 are two digits, add the two, you get 10, two other digits confirming Allah as 1 and others 0.
These are some of the knowledges that are applicable to our age and generation that prove our Origin. In every age and civilization, there will always be prove of One God. What it will be in the next generation, we cant fathom now.
But our God, Allah, Oloun, Eledumare, Ubamgiji, Chineke is One. To Him belongs all the beautiful names and to Him all True Worship should be directed.
May Allah continue to bless us.
Very clearly you did not answer any one of my questions, and that is precisely the problem that led me to investigate Islam for myself and found it for what it actually is - a system of theories that saves no man.
If your explanation of "Allah's" use of the plural pronoun "WE" is predicated on the analogy of how Yoruba men speak, I'd be thinking that afterall, you chaps are making "Allah" stoop to the level of Yoruba men! Is it not said time and again that Allah is like nobody else? Then why would he speak like Yoruba men??
What you don't understand is that, nobody else can "create" except God alone. Now when "Allah" claims that "WE created", he is not saying that he alone did so, but that he and whoever else he associates himself with did the job! You did not take the time to explain the persons or beings associated in the "WE" that 'Allah' identifies himself with. And I'm asking again - Who is 'WE' in Allah's use of the term in "WE created"??
As for the numbers, you suddenly lost your faculty and they could not add up - no? You only serve to prove my point that when people ask Muslims about the significance of the so-called miraculous numbers in the Qur'an, answers will not be forthcoming.
The "Allah" of the Qur'an is not the creator of every being - he didn't say so and instead he said "WE created". I only just want you guys to be as honest as you can help it and realise that Islam is nothing other than polytheism. It is either he created all things himself and would have said so himself; or, while forbidding his worshippers from recognizing this polytheistic confession, he acknowledges his associates as partners by saying "WE created".
Pardon my perennial reference of "WE created" - just couldn't help otherwise until you guys acknowledge this fact of Islam's polytheism!
David, there is no need to use foul language on this thread.
Malik, we have explained to you so many times to use of plural to underscore soveriegnty, majesty and respect. You wrote that one cannot use
"WE" in speaking of something ascribed to just a single being! .
Ask any Yoruba man from Nigeria how such is used in their language and you would see that such language usage is an everyday thing and people get to understand themselves. This is a language that is not even the Arabic in which the Quran was revealed. If you care to know the Truth, research other languages of the world.
Afterall, the Originator of human beings that are using languages to communicate is Allah.
The Quran is the Word of Allah, if you do not believe it's your cup of tea. Muslims dont use miracles to preach Islam, but when Allah shows us His Signs, we tell whoever cares. As for the meaning of those congruent numbers, please use your faculty to think them out. In Islam, we are encouraged to research and to ponder on the creations of Allah. You have to discover the Truth by yourself once the route is shown to you.
Allah is the Creator of the every being. Islam is the natural religion of mankind. I am praying that it will not be too late before you realise the Truth.
Less I forget, please do not use foul languages.
keep tripping over your own feet. your ignorance is so palpable you had to go and import someone else's writings to back your weak and contradictory claim.
The question you failed to answer instead running around in circles is "why and with whom did the "one and only" Allah join himself with in the creation?
Dont give us bogus figures you yoourself do not understand from the quran someone must have dreamt up. The quran does not make a single correct prediction.
and which truth where you talking about here?
My dear friend, its not good to be obstinate when you see the Truth. Allah is the Creator of the heavens and the earth. He revealed the Quran to Prophet Muhammad.
Surat Nisai Chapter 4
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
82 Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
Let me refer you to an article and when you read it, dont just flip over it, research it and ponder over your findings. Then you will know that Allah is your Creator as well as the Creator of your progenitors. He alone is to be worshipped and there is none like unto Him.
'' Tariq Al Swaidan discovered some verses in the Holy
Qur'an that mention one thing is equal to another,
i.e. men are equal to women. Although this makes
sense grammatically, the astonishing fact is that the
number of times the word man appears in the Qur'an is
24 and the number of times the word woman appears is
also 24, therefore not only is this phrase correct in
the grammatical sense but also true mathematically,
i.e. 24 = 24.
Upon further analysis of various verses, he discovered
that this is consistent throughout the whole Qur'an,
where it says one thing is like another. See below
for astonishing result of the words mentioned number
of times in Arabic Qur'an:
Dunia (one name for life) 115. Aakhirat (one name for
the life after this world) 115
Malaika (Angels) 88 . Shayteen (Satan) 88
Life 145 , Death 145
Benefit 50 . Corrupt 50
People 50 . Messengers 50
Eblees (king of devils) 11 . Seek refuge from Eblees
Museebah (calamity) 75 . Thanks 75
Spending (Sadaqah) 73 . Satisfaction 73
People who are mislead 17 . Dead people 17
Muslimeen 41 . Jihad 41
Gold 8 . Easy life 8
Magic 60 . Fitnah (dissuasion, misleading) 60
Zakat (Taxes Muslims pay to the poor) 32 . Barakah
(Increasing or blessings of wealth) 32
Mind 49 . Noor 49
Tongue 25 . Sermon 25
Desite 8 . Fear 8
Speaking publicly 18 . Publicising 18
Hardship 114 , Patience 114
Muhammed 4 . Sharee'ah (Muhammed's teachings) 4
Man 24. Woman 24
And amazingly enough have a look how many times the
following words appear:
Sea 32, Land 13
Sea + land = 32+13= 45
Sea = 32/45*100=71.11111111%
Land = 13/45*100 = 28.88888889%
Sea + land =100.00%
Modern science has only recently proven that the water
covers 71.111% of the earth, while the land covers
Is this a coincidence?
Question is that Who taught Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)
Reply automatically comes in mind that ALMIGHTY Allah
taught him this. "[color=#000099][/color]
They often do that - make bogus claims that they've read the Bible several times, whereas they would fall flat on their faces when examined. It's not only the Qur'an/Koran they see in the Bible; most other muslim apologists would see other Islamic elements there - like the Kaa'ba, Muhammad himself in John 14 & 16 as well as in Deuteronomy 15 & 18, and how Jesus prophecied of the rise of Islam to replace Christianity. That was the lie we were told so that we could remain blind, and the icing to all the bogus claims (nay, falsehood) is that the Bible is has been corrupted - and yet they couldn't tell by whom and when or how; nor even consider that Caliph Uthman edited the original Qur'an and burnt all existing copies in his time.
Sorry, after I received Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour, my vision became clear enough to see the difference - the Qur'an is not presenting the One True and Living God, and those who are refusing to see it will remain in blind dogma.
You're still failing to examine your claims. A deity who claims to be "One" and "Only" and "Alone" in his glory should not be using WE in speaking of his works in creation - that is as clear as the noonday that he is joining partners with himself. If he could not be the Only creator of the world, then it is obvious he has to share his glory with those he has joined with himself, regardless the denials to the contrary. In a situation where he alone created all things without his assistants, then he should not have spoken of "WE created".
Who are the partners that Allah joins to himself in stating "WE created" in the Qur'an?
Quoting more verses in the Qur'an is not going to change the facts - "Allah" in the Qur'an associates himself with partners in creation while forbidding his worshippers from recognizing those partners.
softee I had watched that video sometime ago.
The man is so confused,it's not even funny.
He claimed to have read the bible so many times and it led him to the Koran,the joke of the century,where does the Bible mention the Koran?
Like all Muslims he has to cut and sew in a hurry in order not to lose his audience and when all fails he might just bash their heads with the same Koran,call them Sunnis,him shiite and wait for his 72 virgins and 23 males
Surah Al-Mulk (The Sovereignty, Control)
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
1. Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power;-
2. He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-
3. He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of ((Allah)) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?
4. Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.
Please do a research on sovereign use of language and open your heart. Allah is One and Only. Alone in His Glory. No partner, No assistant, No wife, No consort.