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Would You Accept A Blood Transfusion Against Your Religious Belief?

Yemi a beautiful young girl in her early 6 was recently diagonised of low blood count (Myelosuppression) in her system, this has persisted for years until the finding, doctors held meeting because never of such has ever been witnessed in their yrs of experience/practice

after the meeting, they came to conclude that the only remedy to her sickness was a simple blood transfusion said Dr.Chima (Brave-stone Hospital),  a huge sighs of relief blow up in the room in the face of everyone except Yemi's parents,sadly the parents remembered the religious dangers of BLOOD TRANSFUSION, the bad news was that on the 13th of may, 2009, little yemi died

according to the bible:

scriptures shows that humans life (emotions, characters, nature etc) are all embedded in the blood of the human, meaning if there should be any transfusion, the receiver will directly and unavoidably get all the traits of the donor, which viewing from religious background has lots if spritual implications and consequences

my question:

if you were in the shoes of yemi's parents would you agree to a BLOOD TRANSFUSION?

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I answered everyone else . . . go back and check. I dont care what horus has to say. Ask your sungod if you dont like my answer.

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How you are going to make me move LIAR, the fact that you use insult to divert from answering show your lack of honesty, and dont forget that you are heartless. So now let us see how you are going to make me move.

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Because its frankly meaningless and no longer worth my time. Pls move so i can answer more important dudes with a brain.

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this is a clear lie and i have already EXPLAINED IT. The bible says man = spirit + soul + body . . . no mention of blood there.

Lev 17 wasnt implying that life was IN THE BLOOD . . . it was simply saying that the blood sustains life.

But of course its not what you want to hear.

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So why you dont answer mine, and why you use insults and wrong accusations instead of answers.

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This has been answered already.

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I already did, in lengthy explanation upon explanation. Like Nwankwo said . . . that folks could be arguing about the importance of blood to the body is beyond insane. Just goes to show that rationality is not the priority of you folks when it comes to bashing the bible.

Go back and read my responses to huxley, he cant complain of not getting the point.

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Instead of running away and telling him that he is wrong, just explain why do you thing he is wrong, be sincere and honest.

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Lets not even argue, you're flat out wrong dude.

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I do not think that the role of the blood in higher animals is in dispute at all here.  None of my post not those of my colleagues dispute that point.  On the other hand, we all acknowledge that the blood is the tissue that pervades the entire blood, performing a VITAL role.

The theological point was whether LIFE was in BLOOD, which is what David and his ilk are evading although he clearly referred to Lev 17 which makes this point.   If LIFE is in blood, in what way is it contained within the blood?

On the issue of artificial blood, am afraid to say that because blood precursor might be used to seed any form of artificial blood makes such blood unartificial.  I disagree.  On that basis, notthings whatsoever could ever be consider artificial because whatever one does would entail the use of already existing material.

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Nobody said the contrary, and this was not my question, but you can you live without an artificial heart or a real heart?

Actualy davidylan is the only human being that can live with blood only he dont need an artificial heart or a real heart this is why he refuse to answer my question instead he just call people fools but NO ANSWERS, this just show his lack of sincerity. If somebody is honest he will answer instead of lying and just call others people fools. He is definitively a LIAR.

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I never thought any of these where considered regulatory, but like I said I could be wrong.

The bone marrow is what makes the cells, but it is not blood.  It secrete cells into the liquid medium just like other endocrine organs secrete their hormones into the blood.  But these organs, not their secretions is blood.

Clotting factors are release as a result of the detection of some chemical signals.  It is not beyond to wit of man to mimic this process exactly, is it.  After all, this is what happens in many of the chemical plants all over the world.   Or do you think there is some little fairies that do it?

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Cant be bothered to read thru the thread however

[Quote] bindex on Today at 09:16:29 AM

If prayer works I don't think you would have ever advised them to pray and give the girl a blood transfusion. Why give her blood transfusion when prayers is supposed to "work wonders"? doesn't the bible say that prayer alone is enough?[/quote]

Did bindex ever reply to David's rebuttal?

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No, you are a LIAR not only you didnt answer the question but you even accused me of talking about artificial blood, when?Give us a proof that I said that, you are a LIAR, show us where by using a quote. you are simply not honest and you cannot answer a simple question: can you live without an artificial heart or a real heart?

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The same way you can't live without your kidneys or livers. But these organs have something in common, blood vessels supplying nutrients to them.

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I am not making a contribution to the biblical passage that the poster cited in framing his questions. Rather I am only concerned with what science has to say about blood. David is correct on the role of blood and his scientific descriptions are accurate in my view. The human body as it is cannot survive without the blood. One can say that without the blood, the human body dies. It is so self evident that I wonder why it is being contested. In future, I do not think that is feasible to generate artificial blood from precursors that have no direct bearing with the natural blood. Thus in future, it may be possible to program stem cells to mature into blood cells and plasma but such a product is not artificial, rather it is a reproduction of the natural process of blood production. I would have made a contribution on blood transformation but since the poster seems to be concerned about what the bible says about it, I have nothing to say.

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I am not making a contribution to the biblical passage that the poster cited in framing his questions. Rather I am only concerned with what science has to say about blood. David is correct on the role of blood and his scientific descriptions are accurate in my view. The human body as it is cannot survive without the blood. One can say that without the blood, the human body dies. It is so self evident that I wonder why it is being contested. In future, I do not think that is feasible to generate artificial blood from precursors that have no direct bearing with the natural blood. Thus in future, it may be possible to program stem cells to mature into blood cells and plasma but such a product is not artificial, rather it is a reproduction of the natural process of blood production. I would have made a contribution on blood transformation but since the poster seems to be concerned about what the bible says about it, I have nothing to say.

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The heart is no more than a pump whether artificial or real.

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Think homeostasis,,,,,,, U can google that up like U always do.

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I already answered your question ages ago but you're too thick to see the answer.

Again i repeat:

You need electricity right?

But it cant just jump into your home . . . you need cables to conduct it to the source.

So which is more important? the cable or electricity?

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I think that is totally wrong. Take away the bone marrow, how do you generate the WBCs in the blood?

How would antibodies circulate in the blood?

How would your artificial blood know when to release clotting factors?

this is basic science dude.

just say you dont understand both passages. its ok.

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No I NEVER said that I can live without blood, NEVER, but you Can a YOU  live without an artifical heart or real heart?

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Answer me this first - can[b] YOU[/b] live without blood?

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@davidylan

Everybody on Nairaland can see that the only fool here is you. Can a YOU  live without an artifical heart or real heart?

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I agree it is a MIGHTY challenge to artificially replace what the blood of the body does naturally. But remember, blood is only a transport medium, albeit a VERY important one.  I do not think is performs any regulatory functions ( I stand corrected).  Other organs secrete substances into the blood which then carries them to their site of activity.  Its function is simply mechanical, so in principle there is no reason why it could not be artificial created.  The challenges fo achieving this are technological.   Remember, the same sort of argument used to be said of the heart, but today heart replacements are possible in many different forms.

This only makes it worse.  It shows what a crazy bundle of contradiction and confusion the bible is.  It says one thing on one page and several pages later says the direct opposite.   Which of these two passages takes precedence and why?  That is what I would like to know.

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dude you're simply making a big fool of yourself. Again i repeat . . . your question is meaningless. You cant have electricity in your house if there are no cables to conduct it, does that mean the cables are more important than electricity itself?

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Just say you cannot or dont want to answer, and When did I talked about Artificial blood, can you use a quote and show me? when?.

Can a  human being  live without an artifical heart or real heart?

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We need something to transport nutrients and oxygen, even remove waste from the body. I believe Oxygen is the primary source for animal life, only the hemoglobin in the blood has the capability to stick to oxygen easily. Without blood how will you trap Oxygen to nourish vital organs in the body?

This is embarrassing.

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Your question again is meaningless . . . while you can always obtain a long term artificial heart, you cant obtain long term artificial blood.

Go back and read again . . . there is nothing like "artificial blood". That is a misnomer . . . you have volume expanders or oxygen therapeutics. The reason why is because they only fulfill a very short term need in case of acute blood loss. blood does a lot more than carry oxygen, it regulates electrolytes important for maintaining heart function, WBCs are important for mounting an immunological response, hormones from endocrine glands are transported in blood, blood removes waste from organs of the body, platelets are critical for clotting, antibodies are secreted into blood . . . all these things that artificial blood cannot do.

So to claim that we can one day substitute blood is nothing but a joke. There is a reason the body was designed to replenish blood frequently but not other tissues. Other tissues can survive damage, losing the capacity to generate blood is fatal unless you do a bone marrow transplant.

The same paul said here - Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

You dont seem to have the capacity to understand the bible.

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Paul said that Timothy should take medication for his stomach ache, Jesus said that people should pray with faith and he will heal them if they believe. I thought the message of Jesus is all what davidylan says is in the bible? Why is he now talking about Paul?

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David,

What about artificial blood, which seems to be doing almost as good a job as real blood?  Unlike other tissue in the body, blood is a tissue that needs constant replenishing.  It it were possible to get the our bodies completely bathed in artificial blood all the time and fine a way of replenishing and refreshing the supply, then I think it would be possibel to sustain life with only artificial blood.  But said technology is centuries in the future,  just like medieval man would have been aghast at pacemakers, dialysis 500 years ago.

On a different not, in the NT, this is what Paul said;

“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” (Acts 15: 19-21)

What ddid he mean here?  That Christians should avoid eating blood?    Is it really possible to truly avoid eating blood if you are not vegan/vegetarian?   Do you know how much blood is contained within a joint of steak?

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I NEVER said the heart was more important can you show me where i said this. When?, use a quote. I just asked you how can you use your blood without an artificial heart or a real heart, so dont try to divert the unanswered question.

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''Who cares''

classic response of an intoxicated man. . . .even in face of the lies and contradictions of your religion,you choose to remain drunk.

Sweet dreamzzz dude. . . .

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''Who cares''

classic response of an intoxicated man. . . .even in face of the lies and contradictions of your religion,you choose to remain drunk.

Sweet dreamzzz dude. . . .

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Why would you need to send blood to the brain if the heart was more important? why not just ignore the blood and send your heart there?

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you know very well the question make a lot of sense.

If you have no artificial heart or real hearth how will you send blood to your brain?

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you're telling this incorrigible band of illiterates such a fact? As long as the bible says it they are programmed to disbelieve it.

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your question made no sense, that was why i answered it in the manner i did.

You could equally have asked what would happen to blood if you removed your brain. without an artificial or real heart - you can continue living on life support hooked up to external heart valves. you can live as a vegetable with no brain for yrs . . . you can live without a kidney on constant dialysis.

BUT YOU CANT LIVE 2 mins without blood. There is no substitute for it.

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Life is in the blood. "Blood is the river of life that surges within us, transporting nearly everything that must be carried from one place to another". It's main purpose is to distribute oxygen and nutrients that is even necessary for the "colorless sperm" someone made mention of.

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This was not my question, my question was: Without an artificial heart or a real heart how do you use your blood?

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neither does it imply the nonsense you were saying.

Infact it does imply what i said on the contrary . . . nowhere else in the bible are we told that blood is what makes up the essence of a man. the bible consistently divides man into a spirit, soul and body. It refers to the body as the earthly and the spirit as the LIFE of the man. Nowhere did it include the blood in that trio.

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Again another dumb upside down analogy. Ok without a fawcet how do you use water? But you must drink water to survive no?

Is the fawcet more important than the water that flows out of it?

think of it that way - even if you had 20 healthy hearts in your body, without blood you'd be a dead man.

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Now, you just made that up, didn't you?  The text is there, plain and simple for everyone to read, and it says nor implies nothing of the sort.

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@davidylan

Without an artificial heart or a real heart how do you use your blood?

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who cares dude?

Where did the baby's hands, legs, nose, eyes come from as compared to colourless Fluid - a viscous liquid?

The cells of the growing embryo are genetically programmed to generate the various organs that you see in the mature term baby. Those same genes develop into bones, it is the bone marrow that creates the blood cells that you see in blood.

You want to ask another question?

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The bible defines man as a Spirit, soul and a body . . . obviously it didnt mean that blood is that spirit because it is simply a part of the body.

When Lev 17 talked about blood being the "life" of the body, it simply meant that blood is an absolute requirement for you to continue existing in your mortal bodies.

I'm about tired of these pinging back and forth from intransigent illiterates.

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@davidylan

Timothy,james,john, bathlomew or judas, i dont give a damn who it was. . . .

The issue here is why paul (apostle of faith) adviced a fellow cult leader to take medications instead of seeking/believing in jesus.

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what has draining 40% of blood got to do with a person nature

now back to the question:

Bible says: a person life is in his blood rite? good

now what makes a person's LIFE, isnt it the NATURE, CHARACTER, and so forth?

now you are sounding as if this thing called NATURE, CHARCTER are physical things, mind you they are logical, you know how?

let me explain:

when a man releases sperms into his wife, do we see any such thing as RED colored blood, now what happens when the same child comes out from the mother and

- looks like the father (LIFE)

- takes after the dad's color (LIFE)

- and sometimes even have the same blood group as the dad (LIFE)

where did the dad's blood type flowed into the baby as compared to a colorless Fluid?

the problem is that u seem too angered and quick to act a conclusion, take it slowly and reason it will help you

b/side: what made the BLOOD of JESUS ephicascious today if not the LIFE of JESUS

my bro take it easy AND REASON

i still put it to you that " A WAY MIGHT SEEM RIGHT BUT THE END MAY BE DESTRUCTION"

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