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Xtians Can Someone Explain (trinity) For Me?

I was absorbed in my studies an idea suddenly struck my mind to examine the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, the Basic formula of the Christian faith. The question, how three different things can be one and the same, arose in my mind i.e. how anything singularly absolute in its unity with its indivisible oneness, can ever by itself become divided into three separate beings with three variant native attributes opposed to each other justifying the distribution into the three different entities.

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@OP: There is no need to explain the trinity to you, any more than there is a need to explain how the food you eat and digest makes you healthy, because it is a natural process to your body.

IF you have the Life that is available in Christ, you will understand the trinity as well because it will be a natural process to your spirit. If you don't have the Life, you have no reason to understand.

Cheers.

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1 + 1 + 1= 1. Am I right? I ask the xtians. Dont forget one god (Jesus) died. Can we now call the trinity 'TWINITY' ? Really Xtians deluded themselves.

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You don't need an explanation of the trinity, it will do you little good. All you need is salvation. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts and let him RETURN unto God. He will have mercy on him and ABUNDANTLY pardon. What a promise to lay hold on, instead of seeming contradictions that you spend much energy grasping.

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Eloi lu yah.

Can you say that about Jehovah or Yahweh?

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The Christians say God way is higher than our ways. But the forget that God is not the Author of confusion.

Is Trinity not confusion, when they say three is equal to 1, yet they say one of the three is dead, and still remain the exact original one in strength?

But one of the three says Eloi is greater, the sender and the True God. Thats reality and it kills equality in Trinity.

Then they say by way of deceit to the muslims "dont you believe everything is possible with God, hence the imposible complexity [to yousin you admit that you dont accept the math, but to us even though we will not admit it, is very confusing, too, but our foundayion is based on it, so we just have to grin and bear it] of trinity is possible to God. But the christians forget that Eloi Who sent Jesus His servant will not do some things, regardless: like quick to Judge or Punish without allowing opportunity to seek forgiveness, have incomplete knowledge like Jesus who didnt know the future. Eloi will not die, cant be punished by anyone or group, etc, etc.

Will Eloi be the Author of confusion? Is Eloi like us, human?

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In their eyes there are three Elois. Yes? lol.

Too much funny bones in their laughable ideas.

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@Shumno: « #35 on: Yesterday at 01:05:50 PM »

]quote]Many have tried to explain the concept of the Trinity using physical elements, water etc. This just goes to show how limited man's knowledge is compared to God's. This is the Simple truth: On one can REALLY understand the 'TRINITY'. God's ways are higher than our ways. The only explanation that makes sense (and this is what I tell Muslims). First of all, Do you believe that WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE? If Yes, then the complexity and 'impossibility' of the TRINITY is POSSIBLE with GOD. End of story! If No, then you have a serious problem that should be addressed quickly.

best answer.[quote][/quote]If Toluxa1's weak answer above, is satisfactory to you, hence you joyously say "best answer", why is Jesus then saying to Eloi "Jesus, Your servant, who You sent"? Or why did Jesus say "Eloi, Eloi, why do you forsake me"? Or why did Jesus say "Oh people of Israel, your Lord, is my Lord and He is One God"? Or why did Jesus say in the prayer that he titled "The Lord's Prayer", "Forgive us our trespases as we forgive those trespass against us"? Or why did Jesus say "Thine will be done on earth, as it is done in heaven"?, and its interesting that Jesus immediately said as he prayed that he does not not want to die that "Eloi remove this cup over my head. But it is as Tour Will, not as i will", meaning The Master of Jesus is "Eloi".

So how are they equal, again, woman?

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Wether you believe in the Trinity or not, that statement is complete bunkum.

Whichever way you look at it, that is the epitomy of the trinity forming a part of the apostles' preaching.

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Many have tried to explain the concept of the Trinity using physical elements, water etc. This just goes to show how limited man's knowledge is compared to God's. This is the Simple truth: On one can REALLY understand the 'TRINITY'. God's ways are higher than our ways. The only explanation that makes sense (and this is what I tell Muslims). First of all, Do you believe that WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE? If Yes, then the complexity and 'impossibility' of the TRINITY is POSSIBLE with GOD. End of story! If No, then you have a serious problem that should be addressed quickly.

best answer.

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Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics: “In the New Testament we do not find the doctrine of the Trinity in anything like its developed form, not even in the Pauline and Johannine theology.” 5

Encyclopedia International: “The doctrine of the Trinity did not form part of the apostles’ preaching, as this is reported in the New Testament.” 6

New Bible Dictionary: “The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, and, though used by Tertullian in the last decade of the 2nd Century, it did not find a place formally in the theology of the Church till the 4th century.” 7

Dictionary of the Bible: “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly and formally a biblical belief.” 8

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Actually, Constantine was not involved the determination of the contents of Christianity, since he knew very little. He was only able to create a platform to resolve the issues and unify the Church. By now Christianity has spread far and wide and often adapting to the local forms of religion, in order for famliarity and acceptance. A pagan had the time without the knowledge of Judaism would find it difficult to understand the concept of Christianity and God's sacrifice to himself, but rather use his knowledge of his religion as base to understand Christianity.

Failing to understand the oneness of God, sees almost all transcendental beings as gods. Today the Catholic Church is practically a polytheist. The great bishops had already slipped trinity thru the gospel, even during their persecution by the state. Also there was a great divergence of ideas pertaining the nature and identity of jesus.

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Finally the Trinity was forced into Christianity by Emperor Constantine, who in 325 CE called for the first ecumenical council in church history for the purpose of settling the disputes about the nature of God that arose between various Christian sects.

1. Weeks after the council met, comprised of 318 bishops according to Athanasius as he stated in his letter Ad Afros, the doctrine of the Trinity was forced upon Christians as the creed to be followed.

2. Horrific religious persecution followed the decision made by Constantine, essentially a pagan Emperor, to impose an invented creed never preached by Jesus (peace be upon him)

3. Even the most fanatical supporters of Trinity cannot scientifically trace modern-day Trinity any farther back than the second Christian century. Even then, it was an alien creed, never propagated by Jesus (peace be upon him) or by any of his disciples. During that era, Trinity would have competed with other alien theories popular among Christians about the nature of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him).

4. True faith in Jesus (peace be upon him) diminished ever since, until almost disappearing before Islam came.

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The Columbia Encyclopedia: “Trinity … the doctrine is not explicitly taught in the New Testament.” 3

The New Catholic Encyclopedia: “The formula [one God in three Persons] itself does not reflect the immediate consciousness of the period of origins; it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development … The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.” 4

3 Legasse, P (Ed.) (2000). The Columbia Encyclopedia (Pg.2885)

4 The New Catholic Encyclopedia (vol. XIV, pg.295 & 299) (1967)

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The Trinity Is Not A Biblical Belief

‘Wa shahida shahidun min ahliha’

“And a witness of Her Own Household Bore Witness”

…Major western encyclopedias and dictionaries, written in the Christian West, by mainly Western Christians, admit to these facts:

The New Encyclopedia Britannica: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deuteronomy 6:4). …The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. …It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons. …By the end of the 4th century … the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.” 1

The Encyclopedia Americana: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.” 2

1 The New Encyclopedia Britannica (vol. XI, pg.928) (2003)

2 The Encyclopedia Americana (vol. XXVII, pg.294L) (1956)

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God can't do me anything. . . . i have tasted him and defeated him in all aspect. I can't associate with such a sadist.

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Yeah dear. . . .i can boldly repeat such statement with another post because im not afraid of the truth . are Christians not worst than mad people. . . .i swear , your God can do me nothing. the only business i have with him is to provoke em to proof us his existence as claimed written in some religious books.

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let's be careful of the things we post/say, especially about our god. i can see that some people are just here to cause confussion. fast to ask questions but very slow in accepting answers. why do some people ask the questions they know they will never accept any answers for? let's be very objective and stop this mockery. god is no respecter of anyone.

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@toba,

i dey wonder wo, if you are not able to deliver over my inquiry why are you trying to discourage those that were capable to respond against it, what kind of creature are you.

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U don't need to answer the guy he came here to ridicule and not a genuine seeker

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Dear Chakula,

You are seeking rational (scientific) explanation for GOD? Sorry you cant find it. Those trying to use the bible to explain to Chakula are wasting their times because he sees the bible as a history book of art. It will NEVER make spiritual sense to him. But I have one advice for you Chakula, If you can explain to yourself (not to me or other nairalanders please) how you start to dream in your sleep, when to start or stop dreaming, the days to dream or not to dream, then you will find the answer you seek inside of you. I said INSIDE of you.

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Chakula.

I could ask you a question that cannot be answered factually - Who are you?

You seem to be deliberately acting ignorantly.

Although I'm no perpetuator of literal Christianity, there is plenty on the internet that describes what the Trinity is supposed to mean. Greek philosophy, ancient Egyptian religion and plenty of other belief systems have used a Trinity in their ethos.

Instead of asking for a scientific rationale, try actually looking for the meaning behind it. Where religion is concerned, spirituality must be taken into account. Otherwise, you're no different from those who swallow everything that the Bible says as total and utter fact.

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@all,

if the above comment is true please can somebody enlighting me with how many gods remain since it was already mentioned by xtians that jesus has died on cross this is simply tells me that the trinity was not in existance by the way how can god wounded himself by removing some part of his body?

------------- Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man;-imagine how can at the same time god turn to man or man turn to god?

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The origin of the Trinity.

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Contents/doctrine/The%20Origin%20of%20the%20Trinity.htm

There is a logical answer to how 3 equals 1.

People who have problems with the Trinity normally use 1+1+1=3 as a way to debunk it. They are right. This is obviously incorrect. The maths doesn't add up.

But try using 1x1x1=1 instead and you get a better understanding of it's meaning.

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The trinity is a concept deviced by the catholic church n its funny how its been adopted by evangelicals who so despice the catholics

how come the prophets of old who were purported to have one-on-one chats wit god never were aware of dis so-called 3 in 1 god

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Many have tried to explain the concept of the Trinity using physical elements, water etc. This just goes to show how limited man's knowledge is compared to God's. This is the Simple truth: On one can REALLY understand the 'TRINITY'. God's ways are higher than our ways. The only explanation that makes sense (and this is what I tell Muslims). First of all, Do you believe that WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE? If Yes, then the complexity and 'impossibility' of the TRINITY is POSSIBLE with GOD. End of story! If No, then you have a serious problem that should be addressed quickly.

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^^^^

and what "wonderful thing" do you have in mind?

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just like Benny Hinn describe the trinity.lets look at our body.it comprises of the blood water and air yet this three works together to giv us one person.

also dat of water changing to ice and to vapour then to liquid that same water. my brother you cant really get the explanation or else you experience this wonderful thing.

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does anyone really think chakula is genuinely interested in understanding the trinity?

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I dont think this chaluka is genuinely seeking. Its pure jestation

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In addition, humans are tripartite in nature (Body, Soul and Spirit) but that does not make us THREE, and the Bible has made it clear the God created man in His own image.

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What is the Trinity?

Describing God

God is described with different words in the Bible, a few of which translate into English as LORD, Lord, the LORD almighty, God, God Almighty and so forth. When reading these in different places in the Bible, you become aware that although God is “one” He is also “more than one”—God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost). Together, they are referred to as “the Trinity” or “the Godhead.” On this page we will provide explanations that help people understand God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Trinity.

God is not so complex that He can not be understood. The Bible is written so that anyone can understand Him. The difference is that God is not human, so He can not be described as a human can be described. The gods of every other religion can be described in “normal” terms since they were invented in the minds of men.* Even some “Christians” (actually Christian cults) invent their own description of God and make Him seem like these other gods (by denying the aspect of the Trinity). On this page we will clarify the Trinity so that you can understand this aspect of God.

* Romans 1:20-23 (chapter 1, verses 20-23)

The Simple Answer

The explanation of the Trinity is so simple that most people miss it.

* If God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were the same, they would not have different names.

* If they were the same, they would not appear separately as they do in Matthew 3:16,17.

* In spite of being different, they are “one.” (John 10:30)

So we understand that the three “members” of the Trinity are different, but have the same purpose (and they are all God—more on that later).

A Rough Analogy

About 20 years ago, Dr. Harold Willmington (Liberty University) shared an analogy he had heard with his students, comparing the Trinity to a book. For example, a book has length, width, and thickness. The length is not the book’s width, the width is not the book’s thickness. These three dimensions can be described separately, yet they are connected together. If you remove one dimension, you are no longer describing a book. In the same way, the Godhead has three separate members that are connected together, and if you try to remove one you no longer have the Godhead.

God Is One

God is described as “one” in Deuteronomy 6:4, 1 Kings 8:60, Isaiah 44:8 and numerous other passages. For example, Deuteronomy 6:4 says “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!” The word for “one” is the Hebrew word ‘echad. (This Old Testament text was originally written in Hebrew). This is the same Hebrew word that is used for “one” in Genesis 2:24—Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

In case you haven’t noticed smile when a man and woman are married they do not melt into one human being, becoming some sort of hybrid. Yet, they do become “one.” We could cite other examples, but we have made our point.

God Is More Than One

Genesis 1:26, Genesis 3:22, Genesis 11:7, Isaiah 6:8, and other passages are examples of conversations within which God uses the word “we” or “us.” However, God is not referring to any others (people, angels, etc.) in these verses. Since God is having a conversation, the “we” and “us” must therefore refer to the Trinity. You might say that God speaks to Himself in the plural form.

The Trinity Is God

Matthew 28:16-20 is a passage referred to as “The Great Commission.” In verse 19, Jesus states, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

Why did Jesus tell his eleven disciples to baptize people in the names of all three members of the Trinity? Why not one or two? It is obvious from this passage that the entire Trinity is God.

Jesus Is God

We understand that many people agree that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit exist. (We are sure that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are relieved to hear that! smile ) These same people may even agree that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are “working together.” However, the followers of several cults are taught that Jesus is “just a prophet,” or “only the son of God”—not God. This wrong viewpoint is easily clarified by looking at two Bible verses: Isaiah 9:6, and Isaiah 43:12 (below).

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a Child is born,

Unto us a Son is given;

And the government will be upon His shoulder.

And His name will be called

Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [0410],

Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:12

I have declared and saved,

I have proclaimed,

And there was no foreign god among you;

Therefore you are My witnesses,”

Says the LORD [03068], “that I am God [0410].”

Notice the numbers in brackets that we placed in the text. Those numbers indicate the “Strong’s Numbers” of those particular words. Strong’s Numbers are index numbers in a document called a “Strong’s Concordance” that allow someone who only reads English to understand what the Bible’s original Hebrew words are. For example, the number [03068] refers to the Hebrew word YHWH. This word is usually written in English as LORD, Jehovah, or (phonetically) Y@hovah. Similarly, the number [0410] refers to the Hebrew word ‘el, which is normally written in English as God.

It has been thoroughly proven that Isaiah 9:6 is a Messianic Prophecy referring to Jesus Christ. Notice how Isaiah 43:12 clearly shows that God (YHWH) refers to himself as God (‘El)—the exact same term (‘El) used to refer to Jesus. There are numerous other examples, but we will not belabor the point. It is obvious that God and Jesus are both God.

Jesus Doing What Only God Can Do

Mark chapter 2 opens up with an interesting story about Jesus healing a paralytic man. Notice that Jesus forgives the man’s sins in verse 5 and the reaction of the teachers of the law (the religious experts of the day) in verses 6 and 7.

Mark chapter 2

1 And again He entered Capernaum after some days, and it was heard that He was in the house.

2 Immediately many gathered together, so that there was no longer room to receive them, not even near the door. And He preached the word to them.

3 Then they came to Him, bringing a paralytic who was carried by four men.

4 And when they could not come near Him because of the crowd, they uncovered the roof where He was. So when they had broken through, they let down the bed on which the paralytic was lying.

5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”

6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts,

7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

8 But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts?

9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’?

10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic,

11 “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”

12 Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

The teachers of the law knew that only God could forgive sin. Since the people could not “see” sin being forgiven, Jesus proved He did indeed forgive the man’s sins by supernaturally healing the man’s paralysis (providing visible proof everyone could see). You can also read about this event in Luke 5:17-26. In both cases it is obvious that Jesus is God.

Out of the Mouth of Jesus

In Luke 22:70 and John 8:58, Jesus answers questions put to him by the Pharisees that declare Himself to be on “God’s level.” Notice how Jesus answered their questions by saying “I am.” (Ego eimi in Greek.) Ego eimi is not a translation of YHWH, but it is similar to our translating YHWH into “I AM” in English. This choice of words was not lost on the Jewish audience He was talking to! They immediately wanted to kill Jesus for blasphemy. That is, the Jews believed that by comparing Himself to God in that way, that Jesus deserved death. They clearly understood the implication Jesus was making—that He was the same as God. We hope that makes sense to you also.

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An Absolute one must be totally independent in its existence, as it impossible to reason out the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. The science of Mathematics or any other science which any human genius can ever conceive, until the end of time, can never solve this inconceivable riddle."

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"My dear friend suppose you want me to prove by some mathematical formula how water can remain water and at the same time be fire, or how a stone can be a stone at the same time be water too, how can I do it? I do not think any sensible man on earth can ever conceive such a possibility. How the Ever living God who being the Ever living Life itself, can also at the same time be a mortal i.e. be a man to suffer death at the hands of the other mortals? And how the same mortal being at the same time could be the Absolute Immortal God? It is a problem which the priest wants you to believe and you have to merely believe in it and none has any choice of even questioning the practicability of this inconceivable dogma."

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Go get a life there are many threads on trinity Already

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I am very lucky that Jesus responded first, but he posted unenthusiastic answer, but some that are knowledgeable may answer me convincingly.

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Go get a life there are many threads on trinity Already

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