foreign and local which one better pass
Lagerback has a contract to the end of the world cup… so theirs nothing to sack!!! Asking a manager to take Nigeria to the semi-final of a world cup, is like asking Nigeria to build their own rocket and send it to the moon by the end of July we hired a manager in February or March and he got to meet them in the 3rd week of May… we had 3 international windows to play friendlies between January and May the NFF mocked up…, The worst the NFF could do is not give him a long term contract… either way he would collect his $900k fee and any bonus involved…. Look at Ivory Coast who had Sven, he took could do a quick fix
Show me where the Ghanian team was U-21.
A man achieving his targets is not incompetent.
SK did not. NK did not with Brazil that is a better team. Swiss did not with Spain.
Will you cut the crap? Will you cut the crap? European Champion ko, Jalopy champagne ni.
And you have the guts to open your gob to say someone sounds desperate. How do you sound? Deluded?
So did Amodu not lose to African Champions then at ANC then?
Did SE not go man down to Zambia?
All these moronic, daft points.
What can Obasi do that Odems can not do ten times over?
Check his stats and see how poor he was.
If people only care about winning then why was madrid supporters sceptical about JM's appointment (abi u r not aware of that fact).
Everyone true football lover follows barca/gunners because they entertain and play the game the way it should be played.
Another example for you to ponder on is Lawrie Sanchez who had a winning record when he was at the helm of Northern Ireland but what happened when he got his big chance with fulham?
A manager running on luck will get found out at the biggest stages of all. It's very normal to conclude that Amodu would have failed woefully at the WC based on Nigerian's showing at ANC.
We didn't go through simply because of our discipline not because of tactics.
A good coach like lagerback figured out that our weakest link in the first half was Rabiu Afolabi as he was being exploited constantly and come second half that was rectified. If it had been amodu, the substitution would have come in the 80th minute.
Sole hope, yeah they are the continents sole hope, Amodu in that position those players wouldnt be anywhere near the national team, no matter how much you kiss Amodu's backside, Amodu was IMCOMPOTENT (according to Etuhu)
First Game – Our game plan was the same plan for every manager that has met Argentina and that would meet Argentina… Or is their a team that has gone all attack against Argentina?
Second Game – We went a man down against the former European Champion
Third Game – The same Obasi that created the chances for Martins and Yakubu that they missed
If he was that poor how did he made Sweden for over 6 years……
Like I said your Aristo……………. Would struggle to manage a TEA PARTY
With our tournament now over we can answer the question of this thread. The results are now in, and it is clear that Amodu's record is better than Lagerback's. After all in Amodu's employment contract he was mandated to qualify us for the Nations cup and World cup. He succeeded. He was mandated to take us to the semi-finals of the Nations cup. He succeeded. On the other hand Lagerback was appointed with a mandate to take us to World cup semi-finals. He Failed. Not only did we not get to the semis, we didn't progress from our relatively comfortable group and couldn't even win a World cup match while sustaining to 2 losses (including an embarrassing loss to a Greek team of lesser pedigree) and a draw. Some will argue Lagerback didn't have time. That is true but just like Amodu understood English when accepted the targets of his contract of employment as head coach, Lagerback also understood what required of him when he accepted the appointment. By simple logic Amodu achieved the objectives that were set before him, while Lagerback didn't. Just like 1+1=2. The facts show Amodu to have been better.
Football is about winning o.
That is who people remember.
The football world have never found RM rational. So not an adequate example. For that example, you can get 5 that is opposite.
No one is calling for Capello's head.
They are only rumouring he might choose to resign IF he does not qualify from group stage.
They are not as moronic as us that because he drew with Algeria that AMODU thrashed, he should be sacked.
Amodu beat Algeria that Capello could not, and the joker above's logic is that Amodu would be humiliated at WC. Some people's reasoning process bothers me.
In modern day football, entertainment is secondary. Result is paramount.
If you do not have a team that can entertain then just win.
If I asked you who won Euro 2004 and who was runner up, you would know.
If I asked you who entertained, you go scratch head.
Which U-21 side? Lying rubbish.
The same "U-21" that is the sole hope of Africa now? The ones he dominated the game for 80 mins against are the ones tormenting European countries but you think Amodu would go and lose at WC? Logic?
They way you predicted we would be hammered at ANC?
Hammer ko, Shovel ni!
It seems you are bent on arguing this out even though you are failing to see it with your third eye.
Football is not just about winning. It's always about how the wins come about.
Why did Real Madrid sack capello after delivering them a championship?
Why are the English press calling for capello and his soldier's heads even though they haven't lost and he has a winning record with England?
Football is about entertainment and with Amodu at the helm, Nigeria will definitely be going backwards.
Why do you think Nigerians always refer back to the golden years? They do simply because that era played what we call the BEAUTIFUL game even though we failed to go pass the second round at the '94 WC.
^^^^ Don't get me wrong o.
I am all for foreign coach but I am against the sacking of a man doing well, that has not failed or disrupting his performance through lame criticisms we would not use for oyinbo. It is when oyinbo is in charge that is when our eyes open that players were the ones that missed opportunities and they are mediocre. No more, why is he playing Yak, why is he not standing up to encourage his players, why is he chewing gum, why is he celebrating a goal instead of giving instructions to the players.
And when we hire the oyinbo, and even if he performs at par or worse, then the same people would find excuse or say he is the finest thing since Kelly Rowland was born.
We just robbed a man of his hard work for the second time, gave it to a failure in his own country because we were in awe of his skin. Paid him 500% more to achieve a poorer result, only for some to claim the failure is a huge achievement/improvement.
It was obvious right from time that the problem was the players. Then the moronic, fooolish Naija press compounded it.
We robbed a man of his work, belittled and viciously attacked him despite rescuing us several times and later some would turn around and wonder why Nigerians are not patroitic.
I think I have to comment here sef.
Amodu has been fired. We all asked for him to be fired. Most Nigerians did, anyway, even if some felt otherwise. But since majority carries the vote, the man is fired. It's done and over with. Now let's move on.
Secondly is the issue of Lagerback's failings. On what basis do we assume that he has also failed? Well, he signed a contract promising to take us to the semi-finals. He didn't. So he should be fired as well. I agree, cos that's how we do it in footie.
Thirdly, the way forward: Do I think a Nigerian coach should be hired? Personally I don't think so, and I'll say why.
We have to rebuild the game back home, and we need the Oyinbos to do it. It is their game, not ours. They invented it, and have been playing it since. We cannot play it by intuition. We should realise by now that football is not just a bunch of men kicking a ball around. It's a global business. The technicalities, the skills, the politics even, we need to learn. Even how to turn our league around, we need them to do it for us. Let's stop all the 'countryman' analysis jare.
I think that is why most of you went abroad to study anyway, and would rather take your chances even in places like India than back home in Nigeria. It's a fact of life, not racism. The Asians realised it, used the popular white men like Zico, Bora, Hiddink, and Troussier to build the game in that continent, and now are confident enough to send their own men. Why do black people think they are smarter than these guys?
As Durella sings, 'enu o se'. Enough of tough talk, or we will still experience much more beatings at the hands of the hated white man, not only in football. And we will consistently continue to seize the opportunity to miss golden opportunities. That's just the way it goes.
Amodu was with them for 2 years; he had no excuse
if what he gave at the nations cup was the result of his 2 year coaching, then he shd switch to farming
Lagerback played Korea hands down yesterday and the boiz decided to let it slip. Korea isnty Under 21 Ghana and oh yeah, Lagerback didnt train them for 2 years
and did anybody ask for westerhofs removal when we didnt qualify for Italia 90? did they ask him why he lost to Algeria 5-1? in the opening game?
did they sack him after losing in Senegal 92, and after 5 years, we qualified for world cup and won the nations cup and u expected Lagerback to do the same in 3 months
are we sick?
^^^how was it Amodu's fault that Martins could not convert about 4 clear chances against Ghana in the nations cup? I guess Lagerback must have believed he could work some magic or wasnt he aware we had 3 months to the world cup when he signed his contract. His rapacity could not make him make the right decision. There's no excuse for Lagerback's failure. Now we are blaming the players as if it's not these same set of boys that played when you all were calling for Amodu's head. I hope you all now realize we are getting nowhere with a foreign coach.
Oh, trust me, dude is like a billy-goat he clearly loves pain. Thats good, cause I relish giving out pain!
Lol, this is the best u could come up with? Hahahahaha. Lol. "F lord"?. Hahahaha. Blasphemy is next now? lol. I 'm even starting to feel sorry for u now! Do u now realize that your vocabulary is mad limited? That ure far from intelligent?lol. Dude, just cus u finally learnt how to tie your shoe-laces properly Einstein it makes u not. Just cus u figured out how to switch channels with the remote does not put u on the same pedestal with NASA Scientists! Ima let u slide for now, since ure clearly no competition! BUT, u best believe, I see your moronic self professing intelligence anywhere on here, or bullying other members, I'm coming to knock your head six ways into next month! Lemme bounce, I can see the tears in your eyes already!
Lol. Now I get it!!! Dude, u really are a foooool!!! Is the above wut made u gleefully scream "Victory"? Is that wut made u think I admitted making a mistake? U really are an uneducated beast! I know your composition is piss poor, but, geez, your comprehension too? Lol. Wow. Monkey, I was quoting u, sarcastically, u man-beast! your quote is below, do u get it now? See those exclamation and question marks?!? Yes, those ones, fool! Do u know what they mean? They really mean "Whoa, this dude is really this st.u.pid?!?!?!? See, I used it again, u unlearned orangutan! Wow! U really are mad slow!
Now, do u now realize that ure a slowpoke, an i.dio.t, a "lucky-to-have-half-a-brain" dimwit? Do u concede or do I keep having to show the world what a dull son of a biyyytch u r?
U bumbling, ugly, two-pr.i.c.ked slowpoke. For your own good I hope ure really bullshiyyting that ure smart! I hope its a joke to u, and that u know in your heart of hearts that ure just a tad bit smarter than Elmo, Homer Simspon, Peter Griffin and Barney Gumble! I.d.iot!!! As usual, try to pull the "make shiyyt up" bull crap u always pull with other NLers. Did the above make sense to even an imbe.cile like urself? I noted I goofed becus my thinkin' was too low to notice faults in Deb's post?!?!?! Dude, for your sake I hope u get a vasectomy (or that any gal that is drunk enough to have intimacy wit' u does so wit 3 condoms and the index part of a leather glove- - - assuming u aint packing a "pinkie" as I suspect u are) cus if u r allowed to procreate that is clearly hell unleashed right here on mother earth!!!
Excuses, Shrek!!! Ur composition is poor! For once, admit your mistake and stop trying to go out like a salty biyyyatch!!! Again, its "WERE" not "WHERE". Juveniles using texts indeed. Definite doofus; wannabe intellectual!!!
Lol. U slow fuxcking man-pig! Clearly, someone was supposed to spit, swallow, or request Poo that fateful nite. Or at least insisted on a condom. Now, 30 years later, look at the burden the earth has been placed in cus of your miserable existence!!!! Ten minutes of hardcore do.g.gy-style, now look at the nonsense the rest of the human race has to face! What goof did I realize? Where did I concede ANYTHING? Huh? Freaking domesticated beast! Fool! The same tactics u use ova and ova again: (1) Say something st.u.p.id; (2) Get in an argument ure clearly bound to lose; (3) Pull out all kinda bull-shiyyt facts just to prove your case; (4) Claim the other person has "accepted" making a mistake!!! Sorry bud, it aint gonna work here, Mr wanna-be Einstein! Ok, we get it, u've been hipped to the words "cretin" and "metric", NOW GET OVA IT!!! And trust me, scouring the dictionary and using words like "Transcendental" does not impress me none, it just shows your insecurities as regards to your vocabulary (which is clearly limited by the way). Beast! You've been yearning for a verbal beat down and I intend to give it to u! I'll show u I aint those other forumites u constantly bully with your hallow screams of "slowpoke" (like a lil biyytch) when discussions aint goin your way! Say hi to your nightmare cus ure gonna be seeing me even when ure awake!
Didnt I tell u ure a fool? U just love to hear urself speak! It pays to shut the eff up more times than not. SHOW ME WHERE I MADE THE STATEMENT IN BOLD!!! You do that and I promise u $1000 a.s.a.p! Fool! I just joined, and ALL my posts have been dedicated to you. Show me, U BLOODY LIAR, where I eva said anything about the average height of Nigerians! Where did we ever get into such discuss? Huh? Like I said, u aint pulling your regular fast numbers on me! Not here jack! LYING MONKEY!!!
P.S: Oh, and its "WERE you not. . . . " not "[b]WHERE [/b]you not. . . . ". You still think ure an intellectual? lol. Keep deceiving urself! Dummy!
Moronic cretin. You have finally notice your goof?
Dimwit, the context deb used his metric was wrong. Lagerback being able to get a job more easily does not mean he is a better coach. That is not a good metric for who is better between the 2 because of skin colour prejudice.
Where you not the same slowpoke that said average height in Nigeria was 6'2.
Cement Brain. My thinking level compared to yours is transcendental.
slowpoke, you keep on talking about jerking. Are you addicted to that? You think everyone is like you?
I don't need to jerk, I just need to make a call to a chic like your sis.
Now explain to me how Lagerback is more qualified than Amodu, cretin. I am going to embarass your daft brain today with superior intelligence.
To say you are an i.di.ot would be a freaking compliment, slowpoke! The whites get the top jobs because they are better qualified, and that was his statement, not the nonsense deduction your shallow brain ended up helping u get. Dummy! Like I said, stop polluting cyber-space with your pseudo-smartness and become useful to the human race by, say, locking urself in the bathroom and jerking off to japanese p.o.rn; at least that way the world is safe in knowing that any chances of someone like u further destroying the earth by birthing dimwits has been effectively erased.
NFF did not choose Lagerdack, The PTF did. Check tis link for more information.
As for Sagamite
I'am not gonna sit here telling you who should be drafted to play for the SE, all i know is that Amodu said there is not good enough players localy in Nigeria. Then where is he going to build a team o the future? anyway Isaac Promice and Solomon Okorokwo can replace many of these bunch warmers we have in the current SE
for any body at this point of our frustration to admit that lagerback is better than Amodu, is a clear manifestation of their out dated mentality that the worst of white is better than the best of black, old school
Nigerians need to tender open apology to Amodu for this disgrace, here is my own, Amodu, on behalf of myself and my family, we are sorry for the way you have been ill treated by Nigeria especially those confuse NFF officials, peace out!
People say we are impatient with Lagerback
But Sweden was patient with him - what happened?
He was not able to get Sweden a world cup ticket
Greece, the one we look down on and had never scored a goal until now, got a ticket
Please note that we have played both countries before now and we would prefer Greece to Sweden
This man signed a 5month contract!
Is it wrong to ask him to go after the 5 months
Maybe you need to check this thread that i created since February 2009. Amodu sucks because he never had a team and he thinks you can't find good players in Nigeria like to say all those professionals didn't start playing in Nigeria.
Check this thread:Nigerians For Siasia Campaign.
With respect to organization, your answer may be true ten to fifteen years ago. We now have ex players who have European/international experience, and they are ready to bring that knowledge back home. There is no bridging the gap anymore, for the gap has already been bridged. You have satellite technology, which enables our coaches to watch current advances in football; we have ex players, many of whom played at the highest level in top leagues worldwide; and we have talent at home. I also never said African teams are the only ones who hire foreign coaches. Please re-read my post. I said most, if not all, African countries in this current World Cup hired foreign coaches.
You are also comparing apples to oranges. You have named foreign coaches from three different World Cups, which is different from the foreign coach problem in Africa. In one single World Cup, 5/6 African teams have foreign coaches. No other continent has that kind of ratio.
I apologize if I misunderstood your point my earlier post. I just wanted to point out that other countries also hire foreign coaches as it suits their greater agenda(which is something we lack). However, as to your assertion about the gap already being bridged because of access to satellite television and our plethora ex internationals, I have to disagree once again. My friend, nobody, country or entity progresses simply by watching development elsewhere. This is true for football as it is for nations. There is a mindset that fosters development and progress and as of now we lack that mindset. Every successful nation/organization/coach must have a defining philosophy. Look at Dunga's Brazil, Mourinho's Inter/Chelsea, Guus Hiddink in S.Korea/PSV Eindhoven, Fergie's Man U, Arsene's Arsenal, I could go on and on but time and space forbid me. The philosophy of a coach determines who plays in his team. This by the way is why some coaches exclude supposedly 'good' players who don't fit the philosophy from their selection. In '94, Clemens Westerhof played with an attacking philosophy that required his forwards to be quick and strong and he said then (you can research this) that no forward player would go to the world cup who couldn't run 100m in 11 secs. That was a benchmark determined by his idea of what his team should look/play like.His philosophy was also the reason why Okocha at the nations and World cup in '94 was always a substitute. Okocha slowed down the game(at that time) with his excess showmanship and undermined the speed of the forward players. Oliseh was the go to man because he played accurate 40-50 yard crosses out of midfield into attack to release the strikers. Does that make Oliseh a better player than Okocha. No. Just one more suited to a Coach's philosophy. The biggest problem with our football coaches is a lack of a clearly defined idea of what style they want the team to play and a lack of patience to allow coaches who know what they want mould the team into the philosophy that they want. Unfortunately you don't develop your philosophy by watching TV, it is ingrained by tutelage and dedicated commitment to learning the game(something that has Africans we find difficult to do). Mourinho only buys certain types of players(strong,athletic technically gifted players), same goes for Arsene and all the great mangers. Until we get a coach who understands football enough to build his philosophy based on the players available in Nigeria, we are going nowhere.