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Is The 4-4-2 Dead?

Not really a fan of systems as such. But I was at my wit's

end with most of the world cup teams electing to play

two defensive midfielders. LONG LIVE FERGIE.

This article is about the historical 4 4 2 formation. Interesting read.

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All these formation systems rotate over many years time. It is almost like a trend. Once upon a time, in the 80s, 4-3-3 was the in thing. Then as time went on, 4-4-2 took over as the modern formation. People were saying then that the 4-3-3 was dead, but what do we see these days? That "dead" formation is back in use again. In the 90s, it was the 3-5-2 in vogue, but that has been placed on ice for the time being. Now, it is the 4-2-3-1 that is in vogue. In the future, sometime down the line, it will get out of vogue and another formation will replace it.

My point here is, no formation ever dies, they are just placed on ice till they are recalled at a future time. It is now the turn of the 4-4-2 system to go on a sabbatical, but it will be back again in the future to replace the favored system of the day. Everything rotates.

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i prefer 4-2-3-1 formation.

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So what are they?

Are Nani and Valencia 4-4-2 wingers? Ronaldo n Nani?

If you push the wingers high up and push one of the strikers back into AM then it becomes 4-2-1-3/4-2-4 NOT 4-2-3-1.

The line-up is 4-4-2, Mr Ibime.

If you go to any Sports-site as we speak. . . . .Bayern's line-up would be written as 4-4-2.

No team plays a static formation throughout a match. . . . .It will change when teams are attacking and will also change when they are defending.

I have seen United start games with 4-4-2 and ended up with 4-6-0.

It is how they start that matters!

Wrong!!!

                       

Ribery            Olic             Robben

                     

                   Muller

       

     Schweini        Van Bommel

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Muller links play with whoever plays as CF.

Louis Van Gaal has utilized 3 formations thus far this season:

4-4-2 (diamond)

4-3-3 (classic Dutch system)

3-4-3 (variation of above)

Most recent and successful formations have been the 4-3-3 including the following:

Butt,

Lahm, Van Buyten, Babstuber, Pranjic/Braafheid

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Müller, Tymoschuk, Schweinsteiger,

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Robben, Ribery

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Olic/Gomez,

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The fact is that whether they advertise that they are playing 4-4-2 on the tactics board, the players roles are 4-2-3-1.

I would believe your bullcrap if Robben and Ribery were actual 4-4-2 wingers.

Lemme guess. . . . if you take a 4-4-2, push the wingers up high, then push one of the strikers back into AM, then it automatically becomes a 4-2-3-1

               Olic

Ribery   Muller      Robben

     Schweini  V.Bommel

Nothing more to add, just go and call Dayo to settle this.

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Why dont you stop embarassing yourself on a public forum?

So Muller is a striker ala Berbatov?

Get this through your head, you public louse, Muller HAS always been a midfielder throughout his career. An eedjat  like yourself may be fooled if you see Muller named as a forward, but those of us who watch the game know he plays as an attacking midfielder.

No more debate. . . go and call Dayo.

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You are quoting Dayo from 2008 when Klose and Toni were playing upfront and Klinsmann/Magath was manager. Onye oshi.

Please go and call Dayo!!! Nonsense!

He's already told you on Manure thread that Bayern only play 4-4-2 when Muller is injured and you are still here yarning opaks.

At least, if you learn anything from this debate, its that Muller is traditionally an AM, not the striker you thought he was. Who can blame you since you dont even watch Bundesliga?

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4.4.2 DEPENDS ON PLAYERS AVAILABLE. Carlo at ac Milan played that formation because he had Schevchenko and Crespo at their peak and it was a huge sucess.

Believe me at Chelsea, if Carlo can acquire Torres, he will swith to 4.4.2 and will not be tempted to abandon it half way through the season.

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Stop yarning dust. . . . . .Bayern played 4-4-2 in the CL.

I just spoke to Dayo who knows nothing apart from Bayern Munich and he confirmed they sometimes play 4-4-2 depending on the players available and you are here quoting 4-band system.

The traditional 4-4-2 isn't dead. . . . . . . . .Fulham played 4-4-2 throughout their campaign in Europa League and they were a whisker away winning the competition so i dunno what you are hollering about. When the EPL kicks off next month, more than half of the teams in the premier league will still play the 4-4-2 system.

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Only someone who started watching footie yesterday would describe Muller as a striker.

Muller is by definition, an attacking midfielder, sometimes called a forward, but never a striker.

What you are saying is the equivalent of someone calling Gerrard a striker just because he plays behind Torres. . . . you know that person must be born yesterday.

A flat 4-4-2 is defined by deep wingers. Ribery and Robben cannot be wingers in a traditional 4-4-2. I think this is the main distinction between 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1.

Muller, Ribery and Robben play inbetween the midfield and the lone striker, therefore making a 4-band system as opposed to a 4-4-2 which is a flat 3-band system (defence, midfield, attack) . . . . this is the main distinction. . . .

The point of the article is that the traditional flat 4-4-2 is dead, and I stand absolved when I say Manure (not Bayern) are prolly the last big team playing the traditional flat 4-4-2.

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Bayern Munich play 4-4-2

4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 strikers. . . . .Na you know where you see 4-2-3-1.

This na rubbish. . . . .

it's like saying Berbatov is an attacking midfielder because he tucks behind Rooney. . . .

Olic and Muller are strikers. . . . .When Muller doesn't play. . . .It's Mario Gomez and Olic or Klose and Olic.

They play 4-4-2.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2010/02/17/1795324/bayern-munich-2-1-fiorentina-controversial-klose-strike

I can produce 5000 other links that say Bayern play 4-4-2 formation.

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Whats all this nonsense?. . . . you claimed that Bayern play 4-4-2, now you are yarning that they play[b]ed[/b] 4-4-2. .

Which kain nonsense you dey yarn?

Bayern play 4-2-3-1. . . . Muller is an attacking midfielder first and a forward second. . . his role in Bayern is exactly the same as Gerrard's role in Liverpool. . . .

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Where did you see Robben in what i posted. . . .Are you daydreaming?

Ribery and Altintop were wingers. . . . .Muller and Olic were the strikers on the night.

The issue of one tucking behind the other makes no difference. . . .2 strikers are 2 strikers, don't you think?

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I agree with Sauron.

Formation depends on the personnel available.

The 4-3-3 favours highly mobile players who can cover for each other.

Nigeria do not have the players to do well in that kind of formation.

Certainly the 4-4-2 ain't dead

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^^^And is Muller not behind Olic in that thing you just posted?

Olic

Ribery Muller Robben

Bommel Schweini

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Hmmmmm. . . .

Wouldn't it just be easier to call it 4-5-1. . . .

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Bayern play 4-2-3-1 with Muller tucked behind Olic. . .

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That's Jonathan Wilson at his best. . . . . .

I will get back to you on him.

All tactical systems are relative and all are reliant on the players available and circumstance.

It may be that the overwhelming dominance of 4-4-2 in English thinking means it retains a valuable.

Bayern Munich used this same formation throughout last season to reach the CL-final.

Fulham FC play the 4-4-2 system and they reached the Europa league final.

There's still life in 4-4-2 system but you need the right players for it to work so well.

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@Ibime,

you'd be tempted to think the 4-4-2 is dead.In actual fact I think you're setting up to lose if it's your primary formation.It's vanished from continental Europe for at least half a decade (from the way I see it),and it's only in England we still see shades of it.

As for those clowns in the NFF,they can hardly tell you what the 4-4-2 does for the team.

Like you rightly pointed out,United still employ it but I think Fergie has been trying to drift away from it for a long while though he still ends up using it for considerable portions within the season.

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Please tell that to the NFF whose insistence on hiring Lagerback was based on the theory that "they wanted to see Nigeria go back to their successful 4-4-2 formation". The hapless suits at the NFF lauded the superiority of the 4-4-2, decrying Nigerias lack of success since Super Eagles switched to 4-3-3. . . . conveniently forgetiing that Nigeria only had success with 4-4-2 when everyone else was playing 4-4-2.

Needless to say, in the end, Lagerback was left looking like a tactical dinosaur.

Manchester United remain possibly the only big team left who still employ the 4-4-2 formation, although they do not move in straight lines like regular 4-4-2 teams. It is also pertinent to note that they always switch to 4-3-3 when playing against big teams.

Brilliant article by the way.

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