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Mosseuir Wenger's Race Fight With The English: Can He Survive This?

Here is a man who changes the face of English football.

English are known to play "Kick & follow" until he came and bring in Afro-French flavour.

I could recall few Seasons ago, when he played 11 players, 10 out of which are black and "non-english". In that match, he played only the pony tail man in David seaman. there were hues and cries in England.

Now last wednesday, he played yet again a complete non-English on an english soil.

Now they have been making noise. Please read this link:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006110613,00.html

Nairanders: What is your take on this?

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@Garydennes

A "NEW COMER" digging this out?

Anyway welcome to Nairaland but get ready.

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Types my name into Google and looky what I found - my blog post being used in debate!

A few things I can add for you. Neither Chelsea nor Arsenal were the first to field a completely non English side. Liverpool fielded the first non English side in 1986. Their FA Cup Final team of that year trooped out at Wembley without a single Englishman. They fielded 1 x Zimbabwean, 3 x Irish, 1 x Australian, 3 x Scots, 1 x Welsh, 1 x Dane.

For racism - do not go to the Sun for advice. It's a nasty little tabloid that rarely reflects any truth.

Wenger - I have every respect for him. His ability to buy young players are turn them into world class players has become legendary.

Ferguson - He has not had the success you would expect with the cash he has been given. No problems domestically, but just one European Cup. That's not the hallmark of a genuinely great manager. His buying ability is questionable. Spending big on proven talent is not difficult. Massimo Taibi and Diego Forlan are better examples of his intuition.

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mr. wenger historian, pls tell us how much these foriegn players were bought?

tell us how much these black players are earning and pls tell us in brief how much the likes of Ebue, toure etc are costed as against the price bought Theo walcot.

pls spare us this gospel of urs. if u don't know, he is a typical french man and he is into modern slavery through football.

he has used and dumped many africans in the likes of kanu, lauren to mention but a few.

tell the man to spend the money that belongs to the club on the players who are dying on the pitch for him.

make him to understand that Henry is not the only player in arsenal.

the way he is coming, he wants to make that club an all french affairs and only then that people will understand that he has a purpose.

if u are a guner for real, i hope u know that toure was bought at the price of 500,000 pounds but look at walcot, 15 million pounds.

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@ Jaguda.

I dunno where to start witcha.

The only thang i can tell u is u sound so much like a horse's Bottom.

I have a right to watch and talk about any team i so wish to talk about so take ur Nigerian league and shove it up ur stinking Bottom.

The 2 major English teams are Liverpool and Man Utd.

Arsenal and Chelsea are still coming up and are not there just yet.

@ Loyika,

No comments.

I will catch ya on the battlefield else where.

This thread has been invaded by soccer mediocres and the scums of Nairaland.

So watch out for me on the battlefield.

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All of una don craze! from The initiator of this thread, to especially jackie and loyika, una don kolo. Wateva happened to Nigerian football? or is dis an English forum? una just dey yak yak dey occupy space. I expect u guys to either stand up for our national coaches or for the idea of a foreigner as a coach, or even comment the recent spate of nigerian youngsters rejecting Naija like Agbonlahor and Okaka, Ameobi et al, instead una dey make noise, if i hear whim?

now concerning the topic, if u have never been in the Arsenal Academy system, don't disturb us, becos we do not know the number of english youngsters there. and Arsene is not compelled to play u on account of ur passport. Ever heard of Rio Mavuba, he was touted as the next Veira but where is he today? Playing his football elsewhere, he couldn't break in. Jackal keeps mouthing how many players have come into the English team tru the Arsenal ranks and he still continues to say, Ashley Cole, Is Ashley not an answer to his rhetorics? but i will concede that with the departure of Ashley and Sol, Arsenal's quota in the English team is almost gone, cos the season is just starting.

With all due respect to Man U fans, the Greatest Football Club in England is Liverpool, and Man U , Arsenal et al are just lucky they have not been consistent in the last 10 - 15 years. Ever heard of Blackpool? @ the turn of the century and the early twenties, Blackpool was the Chelsea of today, where are they now? Division 3. Wat has Man U won in the last 3 seasons? ZILCH, NADA,. Wat has Arsenal won in the last three seasons?

Between us as Nigerians, we should spend more time on our own, no wonder English players are over rated! YES ! all overrated. Give me a Name? and lets see. Wat about Nigerian players? We treat them like trash. Give me Rooney and Obafemi anyday, u have my vote for , u know who, Obafemi.

Guys, get going with ur lives.

and if u must fite, go look for the thread "pick a fight", UNA HEAR!

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Fellas, what the heck! Why localise football? It is an international game of no particular geographical location. All football parties belong to one family - FOOTBALL FAMILY. I am sure there are more fans around the world that watch premiership than english fans. Why then assess a coach/manager by his development of local talents, and not talents developed generally. Why particular reference to 'the country that pays his bill'? Please who pays the bills here - the players, the coaches, the clubs, the FA, the fans, the sponsors, the media or the Govt? Pls dont be in a haste to answer this question, examine each contribution critically. In my mind, the country benefits more, financially, from any successful coach. Stretching it further, the financial benefit accruing to the host country should be used to fund football developmental projects. Using the number of national team players in a particular club is a very wrong way of assessing the overall contribution of that club to the host country and to the football family. Hey, guys think about it! Can you guys come up with other more concrete assessment terms? I trust you guys. Let's be as realistic as possible. Remember 100% of Nigeria first 11 is based abroad, how do we see it?

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I wonder what jackal's point is? Is he saying that Wenger has not done well by the dearth of english players in the most exciting team in the premiership, "Arsenal"? I strongly believe he is a die hard fan of man u and I understand his pain that in the last decade arsenal has floored man u head to head. 12 arsenal wins against man u's 11, and 39 goals as against united's 36. No doubt ferguson is a great coach and it would be an insult to speak less of him. jackal please live in the present!!!

Tell ferguson to replace ur most inform player this season (Ronaldo) with an English player on his bench, since ure very concerned about English football.

YOu guys will always find something to say about arsenal, cos gunners are a threat, clear and present. live with it or u can simply cross over, we'll welcome you.

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@ Loyika,

Stop acting like a dumb-Bottom.

Walcott was un-earthed by Southampton FC not Arsenal.

Jermaine Pennant was stolen from Notts County FC in 1999 by Wenger but u cannot really call him a speacial talent.

He is yet to break into the National Team so dont even mention a player of his calibre.

Tell me one good player Wenger groomed that made the England Squad apart from Ashley Cole? None.

Its easy for u to quote what Glen Roeder or Southgate has said about Wenger but if i should bring out the comments everyone has made on Ferguson u will stare in disbelief.

U even made a monkey of urself by listing Arsenal's runner-up achievement at the last UEFA champions league.

Is being a runner-up an achievement?

In fact, i have lost the appetite to comment more on this topic after reading ur comments.

Continue to celebrate failures.

Afterall, y'all guys celebrated 4th position last season.

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Arsene Wenger is a bloody hypocrite.

He has the largest cache of foreign imports in his club and he is pointing out foreign invasion in the Premiership.

How daft is that?

I cannot understand how a club manager has completely neglected the youth academy in his club and keeps signing foreign legions.

How many players in Arsenal's academy have graduated to make Arsenal's starting 11 in Wenger's 10 years of management?

As a developer of talents, Wenger has failed woefully.

All he cares about is to raid other club's academy and sign the bright players there.

I am yet to see Wenger develop a player from the very roots save Ashley Cole.

What has Wenger delivered in his 10 years at Arsenal?

No UEFA Champions League title.

No back to back Premiership titles

No treble

Only won a mere 3 Premiership titles in 11 years.

In spite of his policy of foreign legion, he has not done particularly well so whats the fuss about?

I sincerely believe Wenger is a wimp.

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Though I am not a Gunner neither am I Arsene fan.

But let's call a spade a spade, Arsene Wenger is doing a great job in Arsenal.

Whether he uses foreign imports or not so far he delievers is non of anybody's business.

Leave Wenger alone!

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Yes, he don do now that Oga Akola the chief instigator himself has mediated, no more abuses, raking, and maybe we shd discuss issues rather than people

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@Loyika and Jackal

I beg, he don do jare.

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@ Loyika,

Stop lying.

No one would have asked u to squash your reprisal attacks.

I must have left a bitter taste in your foul-mouth.

I am the Jackal-the lyrical superb one.

Knocking gunners three times ma size out.

Nairaland loves me, so when i aint around they ask for me.

I buckle to spit venom on Loyika -tha dummy.

Let it die a sudden death instead of a natural death.

Natural death might take a while if the issue stays as long as Methuselah.

Get a grip of yourself and stay away from the carnivorous Jackal.

I feast on FLESH.

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@ Loyika,

There's no point crying over a spilt milk.

U have just re-justified ur sound stupidity in a public forum and its highly laughable.

I didnt bring this topic up-- so why are u nursing grudges against me?

Wenger is an ordinary freak like u so why godify/idolise him?

Anyways, i ma let u continue ur animal cries on Nairaland.

Whats the point in showing a blind man the difference between  colour green and purple.

Be smart. Dont be a slowpoke!

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@ Loyika,

U are such an alarmist and you make a mountain out of a mole-hill with your silly rants.

The topic on this thread clearly asked if Wenger can survive the race fight in the Premiership which i reacted to.

What has Rooney's broken foot gotta do with your balderdash and your cries of a dying hyena?

I believe that the aim/objective of this thread is to highlight Wenger's influence in developing English talents to become good players.

Arsene has failed woefully in his bid to develop a home-grown talent and he is silentlylocking down local talents because he looks elsewhere to fish foreign legion.

I believe every decent club in the world should have a club icon (a home-grown talent)that die-hard fans pay their hard-earned money to see week in-week out!

Barca has Puyol. Madrid has RAUL, Juventus has Del Piero. Chelsea has John Terry. United has Gary Neville, Wes Brown plus Paul Scholes and Liverpool has Gerrard.

Who can u call a club icon in Arsenal? Ashley Cole- but where is he today?

Arsene should be looking more inwards to develop local talents and not fly down to Abidjan to ship his foreign legion at the expense of the English players.

U are always quick to react when Wenger's name pop out in comments and that shows your blurry and misguided patriotism.

In your drunkeness u forgot i mentioned Jose's name as well but i am yet to see any Chelsea fans reacting absurdly like u have done.

A manager cannot completely forget the essence of developing home grown talents to bolster the strength of the country that pays his wages.

U don't care because u are not here in England but an average Londoner gets worried about it and this issue always pops up whenever Wenger rolls out his David Dein-backed foreign legion.

All the rants u quoted about Gary Dennes is just absolute stupidity.

Ferguson has all the moral rights to withdraw his players from international matches.

Who pays the wages of these players? Who suffers the full effects when these players get injured?

What about the insurance on these players? Is it the club's responsibilty or their country?

FIFA clearly stated it shall not be held responsible for any payment or insurance fees to any football club if any club player gets injured at the World Cup.

Wayne Rooney was acquired for 27 million pounds and the FA inisisted Rooney must go to the world cup and rushed his recovery.

Ferguson saw the dangers in the FA's moves and he tried to squash it.

Why throw Rooney in a World Cup battle when he is not fully fit?

Who would have suffered if Wayne's injury was aggravated at the World Cup?

He copped a red card at the world cup and FA washed their dirty hands off him because they felt they have an alternative in Peter Crouch.

The same malicious FA washed its hands off Rooney in the Amsterdam cup showdown.

So many managers have questioned the FA's ridiculous decisions over the years.

Ferguson is the most vocal because he is fearless until Mourinho joined the fray.

It didnt take Mourinho up to 8 months before he identified David Dein's influence on the Premiership.

Last  season, All Arsenal's AWAY group matches in the UEFA champions league were programmed in such a way that a Premiership HOME game comes after the mid-week action in Europe.

On the other hand, Chelsea, United and Liverpool played away matches in Europe only to come back to England and travel long distances for away matches in the PREMIERSHIP thus causing fatigue.

Jose saw this trickery and he voiced out.

I can go on and on on the irregularities and the politicking of the English Lleague but thats anutha issue for anutha day.

Think deeply before u comment the next time u come out and defend Arsene Wenger or Arsenal.

This aint a do or die affair and no one here is trying to be a genius or Albert Einstein.

We are all here to learn one or two things from others and your name calling has to stop.

I am going to pretend this incident never happened in the name of peace but the next time u string ma name up on your lousy and malicious comments might just be your last straw.

Get out of ma sight-U gun-runner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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oh God dat madam just sounds funny.i am not saying wenger shld not be acknowledged for whatever he has done in arsenal but am not aware of what he has really done for the three lions and i guess that's what this topic is about.Every supporter tends to favor his/her manager more but am one of the first to say i was disappointed in fergie when he let becks go and more recently ruud(although he placed a transfer request).Everyone gets it wrong once in a while and fergie is no exception but no one can take his deserved respect from him.I am not really bothered if a team is filled with foreigners,it's the english that carry it on their heads; while none of the top 5 teams last season had an english manager in charge.I think most of the english players are overpriced and are not as good as their foreign counterparts.

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oh sugar,

sometimes i get tired of posting in this thread,

we have an academy for christ sakes,

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Is it only about the results?

What about Wenger's own quota in developing home-grown talents?

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@kitaun

why did u dig this up,

its absolutely unnecessary,

if wenger uses foreign imports season in season out,

wat difference does it make as long as it produces results,

@hucarson

wenger is not a wimp!!!

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@ Loyika,

The thread is not fair now because Arsene Wenger's policy is questioned.

I am sure the thread would be fair to u if it was Mourinho's inadequacies we are probing.

How can u be biased so blindly that u sometimes u are quick to defend anything Wenger?

Can u tell me how Wenger has contributed his own quota in the development of English players?

Ashley Cole is the only home- bred player Wenger has developed in 10 years. Isn't that woeful?

The English wanted Wenger as a manager?

I dunno where u got that information from but i can tell u categorically that its a big lie.

Fact: Madrid wanted Wenger but can i really reckon with Real Madrid who offered Carlos Queiroz(Utd's no. 2 manager) the job of a manager?

No one is questioning Wenger's ability as a manager.

He is a brilliant club manager but his foreign legion policy is detrimental to the development of football in England.

How would u feel as a Nigerian if 11 foreign players line up for Enyimba FC in Champions league match in Africa?

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U are spot-on.

Wenger uses foreign bodies season in season out.

He is a wimp.

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Wenger cannot survive it and he's secretly undermining the potentials and the talents of English players.

Arsene Wenger, of course, continues to believe that only the Foreign Legion can win battles.

Even a radar couldn't have spotted a British player in the team he sent out to play Hamburg because every position was occupied by a foreign import.

Not so with Old Trafford's Awesome One. Alex Ferguson's senior squad is top-heavy with home-produced players.

And I was delighted when I saw the make-up of his team against Celtic cos any Premiership manager who still believes that British talent is the best gets my vote every time.

Ferguson started 8 British players against Celtic and that should be applauded especially at a level like UEFA Champions league.

It goes without saying that the primary responsibility for any manager is to the club that pays his wages. But it is my unshakable conviction that a manager should feel some responsibility to the country in which he earns his living.

And part of his responsibility is to provide players for that country's international team.

Has Jose Mourinho any desire at all to provide players for England? I very much doubt it.

He inherited Lampard, Joe Cole and Terry at Stamford Bridge and he's now bought Ashley Cole.

But name me one English-born player during Mourinho's tenure who has come through the ranks at Chelsea to hold down a regular place in the senior side.

If there is such a player, I certainly haven't spotted him.

Now that Cole has moved across town, how many Arsenal players will be named in Steve McClaren's next England squad? The answer to that is none.

Sometime in the future Theo Walcott will get another international call-up but he's NOT a product of the Gunners' youth system.

It was Southampton who identified his potential.

Don't get me wrong: There is no legal requirement on a manager to ensure that he has a quota of home-produced players in his senior squad.

All that went out of the window with the Treaty of Rome which introduced freedom of movement between all of the European Union member nations.

So only the managers themselves can keep that vital lifeline flowing between club and country. Only the managers themselves can decide not to flood their clubs with foreign imports and give home-produced players the Premiership experience they so desperately need to develop to international level.

Intentionally or otherwise, Ferguson is setting an example which I believe Wenger and Mourinho should follow.

There is no conflict of interest. Fergie clearly feels that he can win trophies with a squad packed to the gills with home-grown players.

For United's and England's sake I hope he is proved right.

After all it's not rocket science. The more home-grown players gaining experience at Premiership level, the bigger the choice will be for Steve McClaren when selecting his international squad and the stronger the England team will become.

So whether he knows it or not, by refusing to adopt a Foreign Legion policy, the old Scottish fire-breather could be greatly enhancing England's chances of winning a major tournament.

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@NightRider

I am expecting your opinion on the Jose's Xmas card

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i reacted objectively, i said its not the first time its hapenned and it won't be the last. Chelsea did it first and now Arsenal has done it. The english media will always make noise about it but then again the english media makes noise about everything. Arsenal has walcott, cole, campbell etc. \maybe young enlish players aren't as good as their European counterparts, thats why they can't compete in junior world cups and the olympics. so it's nt wengers fault. They should leave our wenger alone.

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@NightRider

Shine your eyes and see my first two statements about Wenger.

Its a burning issue, so please react objectively.

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Akolawole you have started again. If he played a foreign squad so what. I remeber very clearly that Chelsea football club was the very first club in English history to play without an englishman on the field. That team had Gustavo Poyet, babyaro, ed de goy, desailly in it. There was not a single english man on the field that day. English press made a mountain out of it, but isnt the backbone of your squad english now. abeg relax.

we have ashely cole, theo walcott, sol campbell etc. unfortunately they are injured. That doesn't mean wenger doesn't appreciate emglish football.

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Gunners, where are you?

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