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Why Is Thierry Henry Mediocre In Major Tournaments?

I have been wanting to ask this question for a long time but after viewing France being held by the Swiss, i decided to let it out. Henry had so many easy chances but failed to convert any. The story has been the same for years now. We all know that the trademark of the legendary strikers is the ability to perform and score in those high-pressure matches especially when they are wearing the colours of their country.

Whenever Henry features for France in a major tournament,i really do not expect much from him especially with him giving back passes to the Swiss keeper!!

Could this be a gross case of stagefright or could it be that the guy has limitations which he can't exceed? Waiting to hear from all of ya!!

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To the mumu that brought up this thread can someone tell him thierry henry is the highest goalscorer in the history of france .To the comparison btw RVR & HENRY ,the later has the best goals scored per minutes ratio in the history of the Epl.Igwe is head and shoulder above nisterooy[color=#006600][/color]

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that goal was the bomb. that guy is wonderful.

please am a chelsea fan, but i appreciate good things

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@ Kitaun,

No individual or group of fuckeries can stop me from saying ma mind.

The last time i checked, i have the freedom of speech.

If anyone's got problems with that the person can go ahead and kiss ma black-Bottom.

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So why not go and post it in the appropriate threads? this your last post will only heat up the forum the more cos only a dunce won't decipher the underlying intention of your post

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So why not go and post it in the appropriate threads? this your last post will only heat up the forum the more cos only a dunce won't decipher the underlying intention of your post

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Goddang it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ruud Van Nistelrooy is priceless.

Who saw Ruud's goal tonight?

The character of a striker's finish and the most instinctive goal in the whole 2006.

RVN is the most clinical finisher in this millennium and his UEFA goals is still on the rise.

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I have kept maself in check all the while.

Is the word "comedian" offensive?

Martin Lawrence, Bill Cosby and Frank Spencer are comedians and they r proud of their profession.

How does that relate to that good-for-nothing freak talking about ma household?

When i don't like someone i don't pretend to and the next time he spews poo will be his last time.

I will have the paramedics wrap his bleeping head like a Hindu.

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Jackal, that was pretty uncalled for, why dont you keep urself in check for once? Maybe loyika was not in the best of moods when he replied ur earlier post in a manner uncharacteristic of him but do you in replying have to start all these vulgar yarns which you seemed to have done away with after the mature manner you guys had started with?

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Jackal, that was pretty uncalled for, why dont you keep urself in check for once? Maybe loyika was not in the best of moods when he replied ur earlier post in a manner uncharacteristic of him but do you in replying have to start all these vulgar yarns which you seemed to have done away with after the mature manner you guys had started with?

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@Loyika and Jackal

He don do now.

I am on my knees.

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@ Loyika,

Very funny.

I never knew the word "comedian" is offensive.

To be honest, i think u were raised in a foster home because i don't really see the fruits of a father-figure in your miserable life.

All we had in this thread was a constructive argument and i don't know why u had to stretch it to homes-it only shows the lack of extensive home-training in your household.

I will not stoop low to your level in any manner so suck ma di.ck while u are still gaping at ma comments.

Its quite appaling for a freak as old as u to be spewing balderdash but i ain't surprised by your toutish reactions.

Busters like u shine shoes at Waterloo Station.

P.S. Your hate mails are very welcome.

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Talking of bias, i think loyika has tried his best to be impartial in buttressing his point. As per links, i do not know if all ESPN's programs are detailed online but i quoted from a program i saw on TV. I have this attitude of recording from TV to watch over again so i still have the tape.

i dig loyika's points and i have seen some of the links (although the www.rssf.com link was altogether unrelated to the object of discussion, pls check again loyika). Undoubtedly, Henry is a good player, and i repeat the very best i have seen in Arsenal colours, he is in my list of all time greats anytime anyday.

However, my conviction stands that RUUD is better. I very much appreciate Loyika and his opinion, i think he has a matured mind and a golden heart. UP RUUDY, UP HENRY

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Loyika is no doubt a comedian.

How can u write so much and still miss the vital points like a free-throw shot.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy's 2nd name should be GOALS.

He has justified that times without number and he took Henry to the cleaners when he came to the Premiership.

Ruud has scored against nearly all the good clubs he has played against.

Bayern Munich, Juventus, Real Madrid, Lyon, Arsenal, Chelsea, Celtic, Bayern Leverkusen, Deportivo La Coruna, etc.

He has out-witted the best goal-keepers in the world in Oliver Khan, Buffon, Iker Casillas and Carlo Cuddicini.

I don't have to spell it out. Van is a bigger fish than TH as far as goal-scoring is concerned.

Some might argue he is a box-18 player but i don't care as long as he puts the ball in the back of the net like he always seem to do.

Henry played in Italy and France and he was a total failure in those leagues.

Victor Ikpeba was the Prince of Monaco while Henry was there and Henry was generally subdued in his stay at Monaco before he came to the Premiership.

The same Henry failed to find the net in 9 matches for Arsenal before he finally did.

Van Nistelrooy, despite coming out of a 12-month injury spell found the net on his debut for Man Utd.

U might think it was a fluke but how did he win the golden boot in his debut season at Man Utd scoring 10 goals in UEFA?

Still a fluke? He won the golden boot title again the following season and he beat Henry to the Premiership's golden boot.

Shouldn't that tell u Ruud is class?

A player coming from the Dutch league(A league u condemned) and coming to the Premiership to claim his glory.

Put Ruud anywhere on God's green earth and he will triple his worth.

He was the only player till this day to score in 10 consecutive matches in the history of the English Premiership.

We all saw how he out-classed Henry at Euro 2004 by scoring 4 classic goals.

Where was Henry at that tournament? Nowhere to be found.

TH chickened out when Barca came calling because he knew he would be over-shadowed by players like Messi, Etoo and Ronaldinho.

Can Henry bench Samuel Etoo? U and I know the answer is NO.

Henry decided to stay at Arsenal cos he knows that is the only place he can get the accolades.

Ashley Cole said it all that Henry gets the royal treatment at Arsenal hence his reluctance to leave.

Wenger claimed Henry has scored 8 goals against Man Utd but in how many games?

Hatrick against Roma and 2 goals against Inter Milan in 7 years is all Wenger had to show for his kinsman Henry.

However, Ruud has scored countless times against big opposition.

Ruud scored in Bernabeu when United lost 1-3 to Real Madrid in 2002/03 and scored in the reutn leg at OT.

RVN single-handedly destroyed Lyon's unbeaten run in 2004/05 season by scoring 2 goals in France and scoring at OT.

Many Italian teams have suffered Ruud's wrath and who can forget the wonderful goal he scored in Wenger's courtyard in April 2003 when Man Utd visited Highbury. I can go on and on.

Henry can boast of more accolades cos he came from France(a country that plays exceptional football).

France has excelled as a footballing nation so whatever the country wins, Henry benefits from it.

Holland on the other hand has under-achieved in the same period and this puts any player from Holland at a disadvantage.

Check this----------Sheva has not won anything for his country but from ur analysis, Henry is better than Shevvy just because Henry is lucky to have come from France. What an analysis.

U have the right to believe what u want but i can close my eyes and name 6 different strikers that are better than TH right now.

These players have been tested and re-tested in various leagues and have justified their worth unlike TH that is stuck on the English soil.

U claim Ronaldo de Lima is the only striker above Henry but lemme tell u categorically that Ronaldo once stated that Ruud Van Nistelrooy is the best striker in Europe in the last 5 years.

I stopped reckoning with FIFA's nominations when John Terry made the World Cup tournament team ahead of Rio Ferdinand and when Cristiano Ronaldo lost out on the young player award.

FIFA's list is jaded with politics and they can go on and name whoever as the best player of the year.

The fact that Figo, Drogba and Ribery were chosen before Ruud should tell u that list is not only untrue but mis-guided.

This argument has been analysed times without number in Sports magazine in England and the conclusion was always Henry a better team player-Ruud a better goal scorer.

Henry needs to play really well to score goals whereas RVN only needs to appear in matches to score hatricks.

Scoring goals is just too natural for RVN in the manner he pokes the ball into the net.

He is the most dangerous striker in the world and lets watch where he will finish on the scorer's chart in La Liga.

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@Loyika

Either way my issue was to get you to acknowledge that Ruud has better ratios in Europe and at Senior National team level. Particularly since you made such an effort to disclose Thierry's marginally better premeirship ratio and conveniently relegated the European and National team ratios to the backwaters.

As for your assertion that Thierry is a better player and goal scorer, its your opinion but I beg to differ. Better player yes, better goalscorer no.

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@jackal

no hard feelings but i think i understand loyika's points.

i have bin followin these thread and d RVN / TH14 juxtaposition and i seriously think loyika has been careful enough to be as unbiased as possible - it is only impossible to be withoutsome stincts for yur club of preference.

as per the link thing - loyika's just tryin to validate your points. you said he should prove you wrong if your stats are wrong, this he has done times without number by postin links dat profer counter information to that which you proclaim, yet you accuse him of heresy - meanwhile the only way you can prove ur point is to disprove him with basis (links) for your proclamations.

i really would love to see you 2 put an end to this - and the only way that could be done, i believe, is by silencing loyika with your links - i'm sure he will own up once he reads the proof to your points.

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@ Loyika,

Don't take sh.it personal.

I don't have to paste links to justify my claims.

Every average football fan knows Ruud's exploits in the game so pasting links will be beating a dead horse.

If i should start putting up the stats here, the whole place will be boring and grotesque.

U can go to uefa.com, soccerbase.com, wikipedias and Man Utd's archives and see Ruud's haulage of goals.

I don't have time for links these days but prove me wrong in any of the stats i have shown and i will bring out links that supports ma claim.

RVN is miles better than TH in terms of goal-poaching.

Just reading now that RVN is among the very few strikers that have scored 4 goals in a single match in the UEFA champions league.

Ruud has not scored more career goals than Henry because Ruud has played less games than Henry.

Van Nistelrooy had a big feud with the former managers of Holland and he was being dropped countless times and hence he could not represent his country.

Ruud's 1st major contribution for country was EURO 2004 while Henry has been playing for France since 1997.

This has nuthing to do with the player's brilliance but just soccer politics.

Giovanni Elber, Mario Jardel, Eric Cantona are classic examples of players that have been short-changed in their respective countries.

Ruud has also spent more time on the doctor's table than Henry.

I can remember vividly Ferguson had to wait for 1 year to sign Ruud in 2001.

Van the Man was absent for 12 months due to cruciate knee ligament injury.

1 year absence in professional football is equal to about 60 matches for club and country and maybe 40-50 goals less for a player of Ruud's calibre.

Anutha factor yet again is Arsenal's small squad size.

In a team like Arsenal, every player gets to play because the team squad is small and Henry enjoys more premiership appearances than any striker in the league.

Van Nistelrooy plays in a team where u have so many strikers and squad rotation is the key.

If u add all these together u will understand why Henry has more appearances than Ruud.

The only way to differentiate is the goal ratio and Ruud has more than Henry overall.

Martin Tyler's analysis might be correct as at the time he made those statements but things have changed now.

Ruud has already bagged a hatrick this season while Henry is still warming up to start scoring.

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@ Loyika,

U like quoting heresies on a public forum and i aint gonna let this pass without adding my comments.

First all, Henry is a light-weight compared to RUUD boy as far as goal-scoring is concerned.

Henry played in France and Italy and he was a disaster while there. Henry winning the French League with monaco is not his individual efforts but as a team effort collectively. So lets forget the accolades or titles each player has won for either club or country and lets concentrate on the number of goals each player has scored in their respective careers.

Don't let us mix individual brilliance with team's collective efforts.

Henry scored a mere 20 goals in 105 games for Monaco and a paltry 3 goals in 28 starts for Juventus before he came to Arsenal.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy scored a whooping 62 goals in 67 games for PSV and 13 goals in 31 games for SC Heerenveen at the age of 21.

Henry was subdued when he came into the Premiership in his debut season and wasn't a ball of fire at Arsenal.

Ruud became the 2nd highest goal scorer in the Premiership(1 goal short of Henry) and won the golden boot of the UEFA champions league in his debut.

season.

He had to be nominated the PFA player of the year in his debut season.

This feat is yet to be achieved in the Premiership ever since.

Ruud fired all cylinders in his 2nd season and won golden boot both in the Premiership and the Champions league in the same season.

Henry finished below Ruud in the Premiership and was nowhere in the champions league scorer's chart.

Ruud scored a whooping 44 goals for Man Utd in 2002/03.

Henry is yet score 40 goals in a season in his entire career.

Ruud has won 3 golden boots in the Champions league.

Henry is yet to win any golden boot at the Champions league in his whole career.

Ruud's goal ratio for country is 28 goals in 54 games(0.52)

Henry's goal ratio for country is 38 goals in 90 games(0.42)

Ruud has proved his mettle in 3 different leagues(Eredivisie, English Premiership and now La Liga)

Henry is a local champion in the Premiership and is yet to excel in any football league outside the shores of England.

Ruud is one of the few elites to have scored 4 goals in UEFA.

Henry is yet to achieve that feat.

Ruud is the 1st player to score 10 goals in UEFA champions league competition.

He broke his own record the following season to notch 14 goals which no one has ever matched till this day.

Henry has never scored more than 5 goals in a season at UEFA.

What else do u wanna hear?

I believe TH is a better player overall as he links the play, assists and contributes tremedously to his team BUT

Ruud boy is a better finisher and a goal scoring machine which Henry can never surpass in his career.

I will only put Henry ahead of Ruud if he can score more than 44 goals in a season either at Arsenal or any other club in the world.

Ruud is a god of goals.

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I think it is criminal on the part of tyler to compare Henry and RUUD. RUUD has played far less seasons in the premiership than Henry, since you are so into statistics and quotes Loika why not try and fathom out the productivity of henry to arsenal the few seasons RUUD was in Man U (in all competitions) Saw him in the France game against Faroe Islands yesterday, men he was ok. Let him repeat his performance against Brazil at the world cup twice and i would agree with you. Henry scores good goals against weak defences.

He is a very good player, possibly the best arsenal has ever seen, but Please keep him in his league, when he proves himself outside the premiership. he can then say he is something.

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Akolawole or whatever why are you so vain, does all you post have to be anti-arsenal, man get a life

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@Loyika

Martin Tyler is silent about National Team and European exploits. You can obviously see that. You should be "game" enough to recognise that Ruud has a better goal-ratio than Thierry at both levels.

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Henry is a great player, Though i am a Man U fan.

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well, my comments are based on Derek Rae's (ESPN) conclusion. He arrived at that decision based on

1.  The calculation of goals averaged per premiership match between RUUD and henry.

2. The lenght of time it took both strikers to settle down in their respective clubs. RUUD was highest goal scorer in his first season, Henry was not even in the starting line up in his first.

3. The fact that RUUD has been proved and tested in another league (Dutch) before England (he left Holland as back to back highest goal scorer and once player of the year in the dutch league). henry was a collosal failure in Italy.

Maybe if he leaves England and performs i could go crazy about him, why did he chicken out of the Barca Move? you may ask.

All the same sha, he is just ok by me

Now you all say RUUD is a poacher but i think someone said ', the end justifies the means'

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Kindly go watch clips of 'Le Bleus' at the last world cup. 3 magical goals from that guy would make you change your mind. I am not an Henry fan, neither an Arsenal fan but calling a spade a spade, he is undoubtedly the greatest after Ronaldo de lima and Adriev Shevy and of course RUUD VAN NILSTEROOY.

Ciao

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thank you huc-jac, well spoken

tell them, drum it into their ears,

i'll n'est une ball of fire pour france, !!!

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@ loyika,

No one is disputing the fact that Henry is not good.

Henry is a good player but he's not a ball of fire when he plays for France.

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hey they don come ooooo ! hey the don come ooo wah i like that song of niaja dat sound like that! wats it p-square or something haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

oh well go onnnnnnnnnnnnn herny ! they don come oooooooooooooooo

mikel always remember that ghana must goooooooooooooooo eheheh!

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hi all naija people,

u have all spoken well. be it as it may, Henry is a good player

he is in the class of the best strikers, but cannot beat the real best to medals as at when due.

consider the following:

He is not the all time highest goal scorer in the premiership

He is not the all time highest scorer in the Champions League

He is not the all time highest in the World cup.

All these positions are filled by excellent strikers and of which two are still playing

Maybe, this season, ther could be a real comparism btw Sheva and henry, There have not been any for Henry and Ronaldo, can Henry be so fat and skillful. Can Henry plan with metals in his legs.

Come on guys and ladies, compare this players when they had things going for them and what they have achieved.

Enjoy this season

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i just hope this thread and others get back to their old interestin form - so we can all get back to xchange ideas.

kitaun, n others - ma regards o.

ARSENAL 4 LIFE

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loyika,where have u been,omo i don miss u cos u dey yarn true yarn

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i dunno whats wrong wit henry, i mean when he plays 4 arsenal, he can take d ball from midfield and just run circles around those premiership defenders but when he plays for france, its like he is so useless, i prefer cisse,

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The boy no shine!!!!!

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Ah ha, here again, why now?

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I also caused out a Nairaland member wit it (Big Shishi or Sushi)

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herny will continuin provin his self !! so player haters go on go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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this guy is phenomenal, he's goin to retire when the ovation is the loudest!!

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imagine wat men that came outta international retirement are doin to 'em young active boiz of their career peak - i'm talkin 'bout zizzou, thuram, makelele

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@jackal

i neva condemned zidane, i have always been a fan of zidane, i've always loved zidane, i neva thot of the game being built around henry, afterall the role henry plays in france is different from the role in arsenal, the henry i know makes defenders run, so far he has not shown that in the tournament, as far as i am concerned he has disaapointed me, but lets not take the credit from him, if he had not taken a fall from carvalho's tackle, he would have buried the goal keeper with a curler, and u know it, but instead he fell, and took advantage which paid off,

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once again i rest my case !! hahah we are out!

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grizzly,

         back to sender 4 ur faves

         henry to tear them apart 2day

         so glad that when it mattered most

         zizou and henry gelled

         vieira still remains a phenomenon

         up france all the way

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they don come again !!! we see

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We must see a hatrick tonight, you know?

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no figo wont score ricardo will eat his comments

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Ricardo is one crazy Bottom goalie, but Henry has a way of bending the ball around a blocked goalie, at least, Ricardo can't beat that, plus the freekicks, let's see, but Portugal will pin their hopes on Ronaldo tonight, that's where the magic is. Figo to score tonight.

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he will score an hat trick and no one can stop him

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The only way Henry can outscore Klose is to score a hatrick against the Portugese.

If Henry scores a brace he will match Klose's 5 goals.

Meanwhile, the Portugese side are not Sunderland FC or Wigan Athletic.

Henry will face his greatest foe(Carvalho) once more and i think Carvalho will stop Henry from scoring tonight.

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Thierry Henry still remains a mediocre despite all the hype that surrounds him from NL gunners.

He still doesn't have the cutting edge to steer his side single-handedly to a victory.

The most important player in France is Zidane and his sublime skills was the difference when France pipped Brazil.

Henry's goal on sunday was the 1st time in 50 matches he will score from a Zidane's assist.

Loads of NL gooners continuosly condemned Zidane earlier as the major reason France has failed because they felt the team should be built around Henry.

Zidane replied em them with a superb display of stealth and magic.

Henry's chance to be the tournament's best player has been dashed by Zidane.

Zidane will likely take the World Footballer award if he can produce another of his wizardry against Portugal.

I am tipping Scolari's men to surprise France but i will not forget Zizou's contribution in this world cup if they get eliminated tonight.

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henry will score today to top klose's record

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wat else do they want,

henry has 3 goals in the world cup, and is still in contention for the golden boot award (if klose stops scoring)

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