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Are Nigerians Abroad Really Better off Than Their Home Based Counterparts?

i guess this post might interest you just as it does to me, but honestly i am begining to wonder if its makes any sense to travel abroad in the guise of looking for greener pasture, or if, those that have gone are truly better than we here,

well, as you all know there is a mad rush for visa, and that has been going on for a while, the visa process is rigorous, expensive cos you have to tender a statement of account and at the end of the day after getting the visa and all of that, they go for year, between 5 to 10 years, and basically nothing to show for it, that thier nigerian counterpart here cannot achieve in nigeria

while over there, they shout, bills , and bills, and they have little to send home, schooling over there is ridiculusoly expensive, most people dont even venture into it, some that do, might be lucky, to get a job, but even at that, i dont see them beating a nigerian here with a good job home,

well honestly, i feel its only people with no hopes, in nigerian that should run to another man's land, i mean, no hope, ie, no qualification, nothing, because at the end of the day, it usually tougher than they anticipated,

just my personal view share your view, your friends, family member, neighbour, that were of the same level with you, that travel, five year, 10 years later are the really better than you,

i want to here your view fellow NL

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Nigerians aboard are less wealth than their counterpart back home period... Forget that 1-4 weeks dollar spending they do when they come home to visit. its a year savings my brother.

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Are u saying i am making that up, i didn't get what you meant there

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I'm tempted to accuse you of making that you

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You said Nigerians in Nigeria don't send money abroad, i am just saying that some of them abroad get sent money from folks here in Nigeria, some get sent money monthly for living expenses and some send money to family members struggling to pay their rent or mortgages, so it happens maybe you have not seen but it happens.

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I look and leave fresher than my Uncles abroad, i remember one was telling me last time that he wish we could exchange place

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If you sent your kids to study in the UK who do you expect to pay their fees?

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What about those that have kids in private schools in the UK, or those that their kids are in the university abroad don't they send money to their kids?

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here is my own contribution. I live in naija, finishd sch but still @ home. I graduated with 2.1 and as God is my witness, i didn't cheat to get dt cert. I have attended interview whr i ws asked my tribe aftr d process. Nvr got a call back frm dm. Well, i wouldn't mind workn at small set ups, i dnt v capital to start one myself. My point z dz, i would take living in a country where i can easily get jobs without connections, where i can maybe waitress or something while still searching for that big one, where i can attend interviews and not be passed over cos of tribe instead of qualification any day or time. Nowhere is perfect but Nigeria is still behind #Sorry for d long sentences.

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This is just absurd.

Of course Nigerians in Nigeria are not better off than Nigerians abroad. At least not generally speaking.

So long as 'abroad' is Western Europe, The Americas, some parts of the Middle East and Asia (Although that's highly debatable).

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the problem with nigeria is infrastructure. transportation, water, electricity,schools, etc, if we had all this, most people outside including myself, would run back home.its not the things are rosy here but the things our government consider as luxuries (eg internet, phone) are considered as basics outside thats why we prefer to stay outside.

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Are u writing from experience?

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There's nothing different between them, the ones Abroad are even worst.

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hey y'all

well in terms of living good depending on what you mean, i think if you mean enjoying the basic things of life, the first world countries might be better, but in terms of easy money making as in biznes and lots of fun, no place like home. most of us living in developed countries are here either for security reasons or dont have the right connections in 9ja, been living in toronto for like 10yrs and have not even visited 9ja since, been going to school since acquiring degrees without a single job but living very ok because got my biznes running well in 9ja. cant wait to move back home but scared of the insecurity

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Just tell them you are relocating back to naija and you might be able to claim back all you've paid.

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A-TOWN

A BIG THANK YOU FROM ME.

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Posts like this annoy me like crazy because they are just dumb. When you compare 2 things, you have to use the same freaking BASIS

How many of the so-called well to do Nigerians send money on a weekly basis to their family members back home

You are quick to say guys abroad have no money and are always complaining. THEY WOULD HAVE SOME MONEY IF YOU STOP REQUESTING FOR WESTERN UNION EVERYTIME. SHEESH.

The same Nigerians would claim that counterparts in Nigeria own homes and poo. Blatant lie. If you have a legitimate job in Nigeria(Lagos), it would take you at least 15yr to get a "decent" home in a "decent" place. THose people that buy homes in less than 3yrs are fraudulent.

You claim people abroad have nothing to show. Its called assets. They own homes that build up in value.

Until you use the same basis to compare you have no point.

Imagine someone living in surulere or some ridiculous area in Lagos claiming he/she is better off than someone abroad because you live in a disgusting house. If on the other hand, you own a home in Ikoyi or VGC, then you can compare yourself with someone who owns a home in Sugarland, TX. Only thing is, most of you in naija can not afford to live in VGC cos it would take you 30-40 yrs to accumulate the money to pay for "land" only in these areas. On the ohter hand, your counterpart abroad can get  a mortgage and live in a comfortable house and own it after 25-30yrs. Get the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Funny topic; of course Nigerians abroad are better off than their home based counterparts for one simple reason, compared to Nigerians abroad, Nigerians at home do not have the same level of support to succeed in whatever you want to do. I came here with a marketing background. I was lucky to do what needed to be done to get a job that enabled me to train as an engineer, and still pay for college to study being an info system auditor. Do you know how expensive it is to go to college here? but the government paid for everything and gave me 2k allowance per month for four years and still paid my salary. Is there any institution or programme in Naija that will do that? Apart from the fact that almost nothing works in Nigeria, the govt is guilty of one very important thing, they kill dreams. Here you can do whatever you want to do so long as it is whithin the boudaries of the law. But lets get one thing straight. There is nothing like home. I miss home like crazy. The good thing about yankee is if you are smart and stay out of trouble, you can lay a solid foundation for yourself back home. Financialy, structurally, and career wise. This place just does not have the same feel as Naija.

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now dats personal nobody force u to take credit its an option if u feel like it. so get dat right and for the social part of it trust me its uncountable if u want to go out from Thursday to Sunday the floor is yours

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vicade, you are online you just as I am. I dont understand what you mean by you can do 'Runs' with your own cash not have to use credit. It is a weird statement and not very clever, I'm sorry.

You dont have to take credit in the UK or Europe/US - it is there to help you fund businesses especially ones where you cannot afford to have the cash. Why do you the mega-rich even in Nigeria are the most indebted? You set a business with other people's money and if it goes bust, you dont always have to fork out all the money from your personal assets.

Anyway, your point is that you can do Runs easier in Nigeria. I presume to do Runs means to pull some fast money making schemes - not often above board? You sound like you have money so of course, Nigeria is good for you. ANd I agree with the social life but if you really have money in Europe, you can enjoy yourself and do businesses on an even larger scale.

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I keep saying this:

What is my definition of a 'better life'??

A better life for me is a life of comfort with basic amenities/utilities of life, electricity, water, health care, good transport systems, good education etc

A life where I have the ability to meet most of my needs and still have some to save.( it's rare to have emergencies, I can plan)

A life where I don't have to derive an heart attack from the state of the nation and the greed of it's leaders. (Different negative stories everyday)

A life where my hardwork would lead to success and not via connection 'man know man'

A life where I don't have to sleep with one eye wide awake.

A life where i dont have to worry about accidental discharge from the police

A life where I don't have to spend countless hours of my time in traffic with fear of being attacked my hoodlums and robbers.

I could go on and on

I would rather live on the little I have here with peace of mind.

Money is not everything.

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It is a little bit easier to achieve your goals in US than in Nigeria b/c of the economic hardship in 9ja

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well i prefer nigeria as a better option simply because you can do some RUNS to earn extra money and you dont need credit for anything. You pay cash down so what you have is yours and no one can take it from you if u delay payment unlike the folks abroad.

And social life of naija especially Lagos is second to none. As for utility and Infrastructure, u sort yourself out et la BRT buses and Generators

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Sorry OP I locked this thread earlier, i have a feeling it will go the wrong way like many posts about the same subject! Plus you dont start like you wanted a balanced debate- you sounds a bit angry??

The topic is a bit off point too= Do you mean the quality of life abroad?

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Like for like comparison for a family with 2 children

Nigeria:

Salary range: 7M - 10M per annum

Tax: =>1.5M per annum

Rent: Own home. if not, rent >500K per annum

Transportation: 2 cars+fuel+driver =>500K per annum

Cost of Food: => 200K per annum

Philanthropy: =>300K per annum

Thite: =>500k per annum

Security: Living in constant fear

Healthcare cost: =>100k per annum

UK

Salary range: 30K - 40K per annum

Tax + NI contribution: => 7.5K per annum

Rent: Own home. => 7.2K per annum

Transportation: running cost for 2 cars = fuel+insurance+travel card => 5K per annum

Cost of Food: => 2.5K

Philanthropy: =>0.5K per annum

Thite: =>2k per annum

Security: Priceless

Healthcare cost: Free

living in Nigeria will probably leave more money in your pocket at the end of the year but a lot of people i know (me included) will choose the quality of life over money.

Another key thing is folks in naija generally work over 60hrs a week whereas we just work the mere 37hrs a week. So if u were to do the calculation of how much earned per HR , Uk folks will earn more per hr

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Thats the main issue there, spot on.

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Wel, just as justwise said, it depends on wer U ar. Also if U knw wat ur doing owta 9ja, der is notin stopin U 4rm bcumin very successful. @ poster, ur post aint abt sharin opinions, i thnk its abt condemin travellin abroad!

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Nigeria would have been a better place to live but for baisc amenities that are lacking coupled with security issues.

This is a very complex comparison.And it is very relative depending on one's perspective.Across Europe,education system is superb,good medical services/facilities,reliable transportation systems,steady electricity supply and other good stuffs like that.

In this regard,those in Europe are better off vis-a-vis Nigeria counterparts.However,if you are well paid in Nigeria,you could have a building of your own and other things.When some look at these,it could be concluded that one is better off.

At the same time,those in Europe could have that,even in a choice location considering the exchange rate.Over there,you live a moderate live not the the kind of 'notice me' we have in Naija.

Conclusively,lets all pray for God's guidance.Let Him direct our path.

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NIGERIA, GOD"S own country.

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I wished I had never travelled but having said that my travel has allowed me to help folks back home - they should have been able to help themselves anyway. I am a simple person and I probably would have had a good enough job in Nigeria (I dont agree with the no hope no qualification generalisation) - I actually got paid when I was studying in Nigeria,

I could have been even more better of if I did not have to help the folks back home. If what you want is a settled life, good security, reliable utilities, affordable food and not too worried about 'status' then Europe is great. But there are negatives too and those negatives apply just the same with some Nigerian that are educated or have business acumen in Nigeria; the only thing we dont have in Nigeria is racism but we have our tribalism and religious fights and police brutaliy and now kidnappings and so on.

Coming to Europe now is not a good idea especially for someone who could do well in Nigeria excpt if you are a doctor, nurse and multinational employee or other specialist needed here.

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As Nigeria is it today even when you are rich you are still going to live under much stress and in these case you wont have the basic comfort you may need. Someone living abroad may not really send money home but he or she may feel good and comfortable as chaircover mentioned. the person will believe he has gotten so many things he want in life. Of course, home will always be home.

Neverthless, being comfortable abroad does not mean you not mean that everyone should now go abroad in search of better life. Infact, there are many Nigerians or even other Africans that have been living abroad for so many years that cannot afford their basic needs. and most cases these people travel to the wrong country or are illegal in that country.

At these moment, I will strong advise that is better to stay at home than moving abroad as so many countries are facing economic hardship. So if you wish to travel better know why you wish to travel and what plans do you have for yourself. e.g. do you wish to study abroad, do you want to work and do have work permit, what are you chances of getting job, do you know the country's language and so many other things you must put into consideration before you move to that country.

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@ topic

it depends. Some are, some arent.

One size does not fit all.

Some people would have been better off if they'd stayed in Nigeria, while others wouldnt.

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lets compare Like for like,  are Nigerians studying in the Uk doing better interms of quality of education, facilities, progress etc than Nigerians studying at home? YES

Are Nigerians working ful time in the Uk, for instance, bank workers, IT, Teaching, doing better than Nigerians doing the same job back home? YES,

Remember that Nigerians here have to pay tax, insurance, TV licence, councile tax, road tax, car insurance(car owners)

In Nigeria, its not compulsory for a car owner to insure his/her car, its here. How many Nigerians pay road tax?

Nigerians here in the UK are expected to send money home(infact its crime if u don't) i don't know how many Nigerians back home that sends money to the UK on monthly or yealy bases.

The list can go on and on

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When talking about nigerians in nigeria i hope we also include street hawkers,almajiris,ajegunle or iyani ipaja like dwellers,those living in creeks in niger delta area,nigerians that see average of 4hrs of candle per day,those that trek up to 500 meters to get water,omo niles,area boys,those that live on less than a dollar per day,those that have permanent home under bridge.

When you say schooling is expensive are talking about primary or secondary?I do not know about US but in UK these are almost free especially public ones.If you are talking about tertiary then you might have a point but if you have money i am sure you definitely will want your ward to go to university in UK or US.

and like kellorah said basic necessities of life matters a lot.Most nigerians in these countries will definitely want to relocate back to nigeria if the basic necessities of life are available.

As for the line that ONLY PEOPLE WITHOUT HOPE IN NIGERIA RUN TO OTHER LANDS you lied and failed because i personally believe that the brightest and sharpest brains that are nigerians do not leave in nigeria these days unless you can prove me right.

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ok lets limit ourselves to the us and the whole of europe since that's where we nigerians rush to,

for those abroad, i wish you sucess anyway, i pray things work out well for you guys, i just need your honest opinion so we all can learn , and share

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Your definition of abroad is too ambiguous , Ghana, Kenya, Somalia, Iraq, Pakistan, the UK, USA are all abroad.

Maybe u should compare Nigerians living in Europe to Nigerians back home, Nigerians living in Asia to Nigerians back home, Nigerians living in the West to Nigerians back home, etc. Define your Abroad

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am not talking about relocating, am saying after your whole stay in the states, or europe, you are better off when you finally return, are you better of than your nigerian based contemporaries

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As much as 9ja is one of my homes, there's no way I'm gonna say I'm relocating. I don't want the whole NEPA wahala. There's also the kidnapping issue. So I guess I'd rather stay here, where I feel safe, no matter how broke I may be, than go back to 9ja and live there.

But I'll be the first to run back when things are great. When I will be comfortable living there.

There's no place like home!! 9ja, I miss u. But u need to get help.

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@ asha 80 i think the post was self explanatory, kindly read it over again, would be nice hearing your honest opinion,

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You hit the nail on the right  spot, excluding utilities problem at home, Almost all naija abroad will prefer naija,

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Poster what do you see as good living?

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some of my mate in naija are livin well

maybe even better than me

better than Superman

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