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Facing Deportation, What To Expect On Arrival?

Hi all.

Against all odds and the possible criticism and mockery that this post might attract, let me join those who seek advice on their friends' situations, or is it their own situations?

Now, a "friend of mine" has been denied a legal status to stay in Ireland after a four year long battle. . , the ministry of justice claimed they are not satisfied that "his" story does not have enough evidence to verify "his" claims. he did applied to be allowed to remain in the country on humanitarian ground which has also been called to a halt. Last week, "he" received an immigration letter ordering "him" to leave the country volunterily or face deportation.

My question now is, which of these two options is better, to buy "his" own ticket and leave on "his" own, or to be deported?

I heard that in either ways, whether one is deported or "he" voluntarily leaves a country after failed attempts to legalisation, the nigerian immigration arrests the person on arrival and "he" is detained until he pays a fine or is it a bribe. How true is this?

Also, what are the measures one has to take to avoid severe punishments by the nigerian authorities, can someone please give advice? Any advice would be appreciated even advice from enemies are welcomed.

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@FIGUREHEAD: No one will humiliate you if you get your own ticket and leave the country on your own. You can only be questioned or detained if you are deported because deportation involve documentation or paperwork which will be handed over to the immigration on your arrival by the airline crew you travel with.

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any tips for those who dont have the option put forward by the op, or who arent allowed to marry without having their papers beforehand?

what resources are available for when you land in nigeria or on your home turf.

i for one, do not believe in the concept of "do or die" to stay in other people's land and be receiving whatever insult they want to throw at you, in the name of "no chance or prospects elsewhere".

If God wants to bless me, he will do so anywhere i am, i dont believe in the doctrine of limitation ie saying God can only help someone if they're overseas or in one particular location.

I dont see that in my own bible, maybe its in other people's own.

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yay for figurehead so happy for you.

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Thank God for you bro!

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good for you! that is wonderful

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Thank God for the Metock case.

Well you can go and speak to your lawyer for some damages against the Irish DoJ.the section 3(2) was a robbery of your right as a family member of EU citizen.

http://www.bailii.org/eu/cases/EUECJ/2008/C12708.html

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siena, i was restrictd at the Balseskin Reception Centre in Finglass, awaiting my deportation date when suddenly a letter came to my official address, it was from the ministry of Justice, it reads:   . . ."i have been directed by the minister of justice, Equality And Law Reform to refer to your application for a residence permit to remain in the Republic Of Ireland. . . we have carefully examined your application. . . and i m pleased to inform you that your application has been approved as you meet the requirement of a non EU Spouse of an EU citizen wishing to exercise the rights of the freedom of movement under the EU treaty of Rome. . . . . . . . . . . . . "

I will not 4get to ever remain grateful to those who stood by my wife and fought for me at a time when i could no longer fight for myself, thesefore, one of such people is vicjustice for his unyielding support and personal assistant. May he be rewarded.

God bless all of you who felt concerned and dropped words of encouragement advice and well wishes, even the extraordinary gracious concern and contributions from people like Patakee and funkyb (who were not in good terms with me before the incident).

brethren, my deportation was not only aborted, it was canceled! It was not only cancelled, i was released and given the residence card (stamp 4 EUFam) that means i m now recognised as a european union family member with all entitlements. i am free at last! Hip! Hip!! Hip!!! HURRAY!

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U face a lengthy jail term, mate!

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Almost a year later. . .

Figurehead, did you manage to get things straightened out?

DeltaVAGTM

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nothing would happen to u in niger, after deportation, just plan on how to survive overthere, the issue of mariage has gone atleast you would have done that some years back, not know, you've stayed in ireland for four years and you should know the irish very well, the hate nigerians, what i would advise you is that you are not alone on this problem many people also, so plans a head what to do in niger, the immigration will clear u at the airport i means irish immigration possibly they will give u a token for your transportation. forget about mariage for now, someone can still married here as an asylum seeker not failed ones. its only God that can help us, ireland is not in the same class as nigeria but our leaders as ruined that country and there is no possibility that nigeria will sttle in the next ten years, everybody is corrupt, the system is corrupt so my dear, think on how to survive over there, mingle with politicians, u will also jeun soke within a short period.

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nothing would happen to u in niger, after deportation, just plan on how to survive overthere, the issue of mariage has gone atleast you would have done that some years back, not know, you've stayed in ireland for four years and you should know the irish very well, the hate nigerians, what i would advise you is that you are not alone on this problem many people also, so plans a head what to do in niger, the immigration will clear u at the airport i means irish immigration possibly they will give u a token for your transportation. forget about mariage for now, someone can still married here as an asylum seeker not failed ones. its only God that can help us, ireland is not in the same class as nigeria but our leaders as ruined that country and there is no possibility that nigeria will sttle in the next ten years, everybody is corrupt, the system is corrupt so my dear, think on how to survive over there, mingle with politicians, u will also jeun soke within a short period.

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If you are afraid of coming to Nigeria with your Nigerian passort why dont you judt fly to Ghana or benin republic with it and from there take bus straight to lagos, after all you are an Ecowas citizen and no immigration officer will question you uopn arrival in Ghana, but your passport must be valid and not expired.

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i think i have learn a lot in this forum,i wonder why Nigerian would stay in Europe after the expiration of their visa.i think there is a law now that will soon be put into practice by 2010,if you overstay in any of the EU country you will serve 18months jail term before deportation.i think this is a big lesson for those who want to learn.don't overstay in any country for any reason because the consequences mite be bad.

thanx

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On what grounds do people who have multiple visas and come here to work for months or even years, travel back home with a TC, backdate their passports for visa/immigration purposes and re-enter, overstay? I know people who have returned home on a TC before and am telling you it's not as difficult as you make it look. In Lagos you tell them your passport is lost, they wouldn't know exactly when you left the country, that you've been out for four years.

And I have been asked to leave UK before exactly like the guy in Ireland and I left. But in my case I wasn't an assylum seeker. All our passports(my whole family) were stamped by the home office, our fingerprints were not taken though, we were in UK for four years. We travelled back home on our passports which the home office returned to us. At the airport in Lagos they wanted to be funny, and wanted me to give them a certain amount of money before we could pass through but I told them we did not commit a criminal offence, none of us was in prison, we only overstayed because we filed for a stay to be able to live with my husband who is resident in UK. So I told them I have no money to give them. They delayed us for sometime but NOT for questioning, more like abandoning us to do other things until we are ready to comply. So we sat there, but then one of them came back to us after some time and jokingly said do I want to say that we do not have chewing gum or chocolates for them and I said no I don't. So he said we must be tired, we can go. Believe me they did not even check our luggages and we have loads of them, it's like everything we've had in four years and we were like the last to leave the airpot. We still returned here on the same stamped passports. That was years ago, I don't know if the home office take fingerpints for cases like that now.

I don't know about Ireland.

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A friend of mine got married to american girl in another eu country, he came into ireland by government employment under health ministry yet, he was given Irish passport in less that 2 year of living and working in Ireland. I think the irish government take some individual value into consideration.

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It definitely does work (especially 4 years ago!), before the recent bills they are introducing shortly, an assylum seeker can be married to Irish citizen and be allowed to reside in Ireland once the marriage is done legally. A cousin of mine who was married to an Irish years ago divorced her after getting his Irish passport, he illegally brought his fiancee in Nigeria in and she went to seek assylum, few weeks after they got married, she withdrew her application for assylum and applied for legal stay as a legally married wife of an Irish citizen and she was given legal residence as a spouse of Irish citizen, it took a while though but while waiting for the paper one can never be deported.

Its not that easy though especially these days but it works, its just that awon omo yen ti gbo won mo reason ti awon boys fi nfe won and they can make it almost impossible unlike in those days, i think the bill has not been passed to law which states that an assylum seeker can not get married in Ireland.

@ poster dont wait to be deported if you can buy yr ticket, if u have a passport nothing is stamped on yr passport at the airport while leaving Ireland afterall u are going to yr country they have no problem with that and i wonder why u'll have problem with immigration in Nigeria except you want to tell them that u are a failed assylum seeker and why will you do that? simply tell them u lost yr passport , and while waiting for lawyer's intervention please watch your back, becareful with going to sign anyday at the gardai station can be yr last in Ireland and to ba possible ma gbe ibi ti won mo pe ongbe otherwise they can just come in and u are gone. Since the letter has been issued u can be returned anyday without any notice.

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Why?

1. He is going to pass through the Irish Immigration border at the airport, will most likely be asked to fill up some forms, and details will be stamped on either the TC or his passport.

Or do you wish to tell me otherwise?

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Thts's exactly what am saying that he would leave on his own free will just like any other person. They wud issue him with a travel certificate. People do it all the time. He tells the immigration in Lagos if they ask him that his passport is lost. Am telling you he would only need to give them anything if he so desires. If he says he has no money then he has none, nobody would detain him for loss of passport. He hasn't just been released from prison. He overstayed(forget assylum) and is returning home.

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According to this documentary-trapped, the lady being deported settled for $100

Good luck with your appeal

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@figurehead

As at 2006, marriage to Irish citizens worked very very well. I am freaking double sure about this abeg. Guys that got into Ireland straight from naija with visit visas and not any long term visas or any other route you are talking about. Maybe you were unlucky and you probably met the wrong women. But for the lucky ones, it works well well.

Ayomiful, where are you abeg? Please kindly state your opinion on the success rate of this marriage thing in Ireland.

You could use a TC. That wont guarantee you easy passage at the immigration point though. You will still be quizzed, 'detained' and attended to specially.

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Thank you all, got to go now, will read from you tomorrow. once again, thank you so much. goodnight. One love

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At any one time, there are thousands of immigrants that are married to Irish citizens and they do not have the permit to stay in Ireland. Those who enjoy the benefit of such marriages are the people who came into ireland with valid long term visas or work permit, and also those who have evidence that they have legally resided in other EU countries, and having married in there, they entered Ireland with the EU treaty rights visa. But anyone who married in Ireland as an illegal immigrant remains an illegal immigrant no matter what comes out of the marriage; even if the wife and the kids are Irish or EU citizens, and he's not immune against deportation

I know about Irish immigration, but what i don't know is the consequences a deportee faces in nigeria.

Now that everybody has different opinions about this, i am the more confused, i am thinking of sending someone to find out from the immigration people at MMA and see what they have to advice.

Now am at the edge of three choices among six options:

To delay my next move and see if the lawyer can do anything and overturn the decission or to just give it up and leave?

To pay for my ticket and go home voluntarily or to face deportation and keep my money?

To use a TC or to use my evidently stamped passport which i have hidden from authority

even, the thought of sneaking into another country is not out of the question, but to be frank, this situation has really made me fed up about living abroad.

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@All

99% of Assylum seekers dont have passport.

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Normally, Deportee should be arrested but they(immigration officer) hardly do that. Infact most of them even donate money to Deportee for transport home.

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@ Vor and coolier,

I do not know much about asylum cases, but my question is that what would be the visa status on the passport of asylum seekers?

How would he come into the country and he would not be questioned by the NIA? I guess I do not hold much knowledge on this subject matter, but I do wish to know how he can enter the country and he wont be subjected to questions from immigration authorities.

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If the guy applied for asylum then he would definitely have been fingerprinted. Anyone applying for asylum in Western Europe is routinely fingerprinted and the information is shared amongst all European countries. This is done primarily to stop people shopping around for the best "asylum deal" in different identities.

If he returns to Nigeria on his own passport why would he have problems from Nigerian immigration on arrival? It wouldn't be written on his forehead that he had problems in Ireland, and I'm sure he would have more sense than to tell them of his problems.

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[quote author=funkybaby link=topic=147413.msg2449576#msg2449576 date=121499949

Either he buys the ticket or he gets deported, those boys at immigration will still subject him to humiliation [quote][/quote]

If he buys a ticket and leave like they say, no immigration officer in Nigeria will ever bother him if he knows his rights, he has not committed a criminal offence. He has only overstayed. It's not like he has been in prison and being deported, escorted or dragged into the aircraft in handcuffs by the police. He is leaving of his own free will(although advised to do that), from his home(not prison or detention camp), with a flight of his choice. A lot of people overstay in foreign countries and they have a right as citizens to return home. Some only pay to 'backdate' to be able to return to the same country immediately. And this doesn't even apply in his case. So he should just walk now while he still can.

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So sorry about it,But men make sure you rake everything rakeable,cause I dont know how you want to survive in Nigeria,well I guess during the 4yrs you were makin some savings and investments anyway.

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1) Have they at anytime taken his fingerprint?

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@pataki

What do you mean by he should marry oyinbo? Its no longer that easy oh. You think say those women never sharpen up?? Naija men treat those irish women like poo. Remember that my 'egbon's' story i told you about?

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@Coolier

TC is more issued

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