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Should I Relocate To Canada ? Advice Please

I need your candid and honest advice as to whether i should relocate to canada or not, i am a business man here in Nigeria with an income of about 1 million naira per month, I am single and not married, I want to relocate to Canada to get settled, I am so torn between my business and relocating, Please advice me would it be worth it ?

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Hello Pals.

Im new here , i like to gain experience from you guys concerning canada visiting visa im getting a invisitation letter from a canada citizen friend to visit this coming xmas but i need to know where best to submit my application lagos or abuja ? and what're my chance of getting a visa and neccessary paper work document i'll be needing for my visa kind . im used to usa visa process but canada im totally new applicant and i need you all experiences to avoid bad news

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guy stay back and plan your life in nigeria you are better off here

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@OP[b]

TOP 8 REASONS NOT TO MIGRATE TO CANADA[/b]

1. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.

Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to Canada are the same credentials that don't qualify you for your profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

2. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.

From rent, to utility bills, to shopping, to phone, internet and cable bills, to gas, to car insurance, to eating out, to basically anything you have to pay for or buy, the cost of living in Canada has become astronomical. Recent immigrants are astonished as to how expensive everything is. It is estimated that compared to most countries around the world, the cost of living in Canada is on average five times greater.

3. Health Care Crisis.

Practicing physicians in Canada are in a shortage, 1 in 4 Canadians cannot get a family doctor. Canadian doctors are leaving to move permanently to the United States. Statistics Canada and the Canadian Medical Association both have identified that for every 1 American doctor that moves to Canada, 19 (nineteen) Canadian doctors move to the United States! Doctors in Canada are overworked and underpaid, and there is a cap on their salaries.

4. Very High Taxes.

Yes, you have the GST, the PST, totaling 15%, on practically everything you purchase and many other taxes taken out of our weekly paycheck. You have to pay a whopping amount to the government, out of your hard earned salary, so that the government can turn around and give it to beer drinking, hockey watching welfare bums. Fair? It does not matter, it's Canada.

5. Money Hungry Government.

Canadian Embassies around the world lie to foreigners, painting this picture that Canada is Utopia, because they want them to come to Canada. Why? Because foreigners bring money! So after being deceived, these foreigners come. They must bring with them at least $10,000. Canada has an immigration quota of 250,000 per year. So please do the math, 250,000 multiplied by $10,000 each equals a whopping 2.5 Billion dollars that Canada gains from immigrants every year.

6. No Culture.

Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no culture. Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the last time you had some 'Canadian' food? There are no Canadian traditions and there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself a 'Canadian'. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still identify themselves with the country they 'originally' came from.

7. Cold Freezing Weather.

Yes, Canada has one of the worst weather conditions of any country in the world. Freezing cold temperatures, snow, ice, hail, winds, storms etc. From the Prairie provinces to the Maritimes, from the Territories to southern Ontario, the weather is so horrific and disgusting that many Canadians leave Canada simply because of this reason alone.

8. No Jobs.

Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs. Immigrants are highly qualified (MD's, PhD's, Lawyers, Engineers etc.) but they are driving taxi cabs, delivering pizza's or working in factories. Even people with bachelors degrees from Canadian Universities cannot find jobs after graduation. This is the tragedy associated with immigration to Canada. I feel sorry for those immigrants who are stuck in Canada for the rest of their lives. It is indeed a very sad and hopeless future.

Do your own research!!!

NB. source---- www.notcanada.com

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Na wa. Alot of people just comment on stuff they have no clue about just because they have access to a keyboard.

Someone gives a brief background of himself and his intentions and asks for advice.  .   .and some people think it's their business to tell him how to live his life. If he makes a billion a year, and wants to move to Siberia, wetin concern you? If you have info, drop it and I'm sure he is old and mature enough to parse the info and make a decision. FYI, N1million/mth is about $6700/mth which easily translates to $80k/mth; $80k/yr is not a hard target to reach as a professional in Canada or the US. Even licensed mechanics, carpenters, and other skill labourers make such amounts if they put in the hours; not talk about someone in a solid business line. So I do not know what the fuss is all about.

And for the declining population comment, Canada has an Aging population. The typical white man would marry and give birth to one or two kids max. Some do not even bother getting married or some doi marry and decide not to have kids. That's their way of life. Hence, it gets to a point that the population cannot support herself; the more reason why they open the doors to SKILLED immigrants. And just like any other thing, Immigration to another country requires planning, planning, and enough planning. You do not just wake up and travel and hope to see the money tree. You gather info, map out strategies, make solid contacts, etc above all, know what you are doing. I know we Nigerians believe in alot of miracles but make sure you do your homework properly. However, if you happen to see the money tree, please lemme know.

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I reside in Germany and i have to tell you even when you are a legal resident, racism is still inherent, there is a glass ceiling for immigrants, stay in Nigeria and achieve your maximum potentials. there is no place like home.

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@kafin take care mate

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Ok oo, na you say make I talk.

Na waaoo, mevisbleek you smart sha. From the time when you begin the sweetie thing (sweetie dont get it twisted if u have your degree u will earn big cash) na hin I don begin think say so you go take maneuver. As angeldiana come put jara, I begin wonder who she be, anyway she may be waiting to have a word with you. (I no sabi book ooo)

My sista (the one and only busy_body) please let me know when you come to Toronto oo! I go like see the madam wey dey make all those shakara for auto section. Maybe I fit don get some titles by then, if not, I go try see if inspired_m go fit borrow me those ones wey hin don stop to dey use.

I remember one of the rules of NairaLand; if you see people dey fight, no put mouth!! The issues may be much deeper that you can ever understand.

I will quickly log off (getting off this thread may not be enough) Byee

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@kafin, say something mate

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intresting!! make i wait small before i post.

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@Busy body, u really be busy body. lol

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He is single, but sorry to burst ur bubble, he is gay.

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@busy body, u are hillarious. Kelly handsome is a pastor from Nigeria. Lol

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OK, its all good, you should try coming around nxt wk, kelly handsome is in town (ottawa) " Maga don pay"

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@ busy body why are u sounding like this, y are u been so rude, i was just advising a brother, i live and work in canada. i was jst giving advise to a brother, its left for him to choose who he wants to listen to, mechanic or investament banker. All the same i no dey fight with u. Where in canada do u stay maybe we could hang out sometime. what do u think?

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@busy body, applying for a car mechanic or PR stuff would take 3years, who tell u say na mechanic dem they find for canada, sweetie dont get it twisted if u have ur degree u will earn big cash. I am not shitting anyone finance is in high demand in canada here. My guys are in BOM, scotia, delloitte. so forget mechanic story. with ur bsc, mba and cma we will ball tite. Peace

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@chelisiu, what i will tell u is that relocating is not a bad idea. i know lots of naija boys that are balling tit in canada, if u have the degree nothing do u, canada is sweet if u have the degree, u do white collar job in the morning and at night u hussle in the grocery stores, u will make mad cash. I have friends that we finished university together in 2007, they have got their Mba and now they are earning 50k/year, these guys are just 23years old, guy if u have the degree relocate u have no problem. But it would be rough at the begining. I beg just stay in naija cold too much for here

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@charlesisu, bros pls stay in naija since u make 1m/month. Please stay in naija and enjoy ur money, wen u get married u can send ur children here for studies then fron their they wld apply for the PR stuff, pls stay in naija, me i dey canada, i be student, so i am telling u wats up. But canada can be sweet for bachelors if u know what i mean. Not withstanding stay in naija.

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Based on what Charlesisu have posted so far, I will say dont (at least not now)! This is because I believe that you will have some challenges in North America. There is a level of self-reliance that is needed to thrive in North America; I have not seen this in your posts. (please I dont know you, I am only going by your posts).

First off, I cant think of the category that your "immigration lawyer" intend to use for your filing that will make you get your "Residence permit" in 2 years. I can smell some terrible mistakes that people makes and thereafter spend years struggling to recover from the effects, if at all the person recovers. If someone have to help you "package" the application, then there will be some gaps when you arrive and have to start doing everything by yourself. If you are migrating, it should be done at a level that will not destabilize your senses.

The following totally kills me:

Talking about cashflow, I am definitely interested in having an idea of what is fetching you =N=1M/month (seek and you shall find - so they said) I wonder why no one bother asking, perhaps they believe that you wont tell. Just a hint will be fine for me.

How much can one make in NA is another factor, but this has been answered by tunnytox

I will just add that long run can be as short as it takes you to settle down- get your accommodation and open your business; provided you have a good business orientation. The income does not have to be in cash, by the time your company pays the better part of your mortgage, pays for your car and other transport expenses, and a company paid staff takes care of your kids, you will not need to earn a big salary.

About the weather, yes Canada is really cold. If you are outside when the temperature drops to -5C, you will start to feel the weight of your ears. It is even much lower than that in most areas during winter, but I will say that the weather will be as cold or warm as you want it to be.

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I would recommend you research the Province you would like to settle in Canada. Canada is very large and each Province is suited to different kinds of people. We relocated to Alberta in Canada last year from London UK. I can tell you the following the pace of life here is slower than England as a result there are lots of Business Opportunities. Things and services we have taken for granted in UK & Nigeria do not yet exsist in Alberta and I see each gap as a business opportunity. Many businesses offer what they can but there is still a huge gap.

1 million naira is about $6000.00CAD. I would say achieving and improving on your cash flow/profit is achieveable the key thing is to do your research. If you plan to relocate doing it before getting married is probably better as you may have to try out various locatios/ Province to get the perfect fit. Canada is very family focused and good for children so planning to have your children here is a good ideal

Good Luck

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Why would he need to lie ? did you Skip the part where he Said he needed Quality life and not all about the Money ?   

What makes you think that he can't get that in NIGERIA? All he has to do is move back to the VILLAGE.

VILLAGE= Real fresh air

              Less polution

              Honies running around Coverless

              Real Organic food  ETC

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Hotstepper, please can i have your email address ? send me a message on nusakharefreddy@yahoo.com

Thank you

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@busy body make u no vex, sorry if i have triggered anger in u. Pls there is no job any where, mechanics and plumbers are in high demand. No vex

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Exactly! the guy has never been to Canada yet he wants to relocate there!!

If you are really making N1m in nigeria you wouldn't need an agent!

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Put your business here in autopilot and relocate if you wish.

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Relocate, if you must, wish u d best,

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ol boy this poster,i dont believe u,but if u are for real heres what u should do,

take a 2 months vacation to canada,get someone to run your business while u are away,pick any city over there that u may like to settle down in and do your vacation there,i promise u after 2 months u will have an idea of how life is and how u might adjust,again if u make #12m a yr (about $80,000),u can afford the vacation

now here is my advice,STAY HOME, the cash flow from your business makes u in the upper class of earners even here in america,talkless of canada

there is nothing here that u cant get over there even cheaper,due to cost of living and low or no direct taxes in nigeria

u talk about your wife and kids,well me i am single too and i will go home to naija to get married,but if u insist your wife can always travel out with u and give birth abroad to get the kpali u desire for your kids

u say u are scared of nigeria,well my man nobody is safe anywhere,we just pray that we dont live through another terrorist attack here in the states,its a recurring theme

about your business and plans to set up one in canada,have u heard of estate taxes?,do u know that when u die most of your wealth is taken over by the government,thats why most rich people here have foundations where they donate their wealth to after they die,u cant even pass it on to your kids,there is a limit on how much u can give them, in nigeria your wealth is yours if u die your houses and land and so on is passed to your kids

and even if u pass your houses on to your kids here if they cant pay the property taxes on it(for ever),it will be seized and sold

my guy stay in naija and enjoy your money,maybe u should move to abuja or lekki,if u need that yankee feeling,

i am telling u all this cause am young and not married too,but i was lucky i came here immediately after i graduated from uni in naija and i have a unique perspective on both places,if u down on your luck with no way out,then its good to emigrate,but if u living large back home,then u would be a FOOL to leave that and come here

for me it was always a need to visit yankee,and i have satisfied that need so am not staying for long,plus i have strong family ties back home

that is another thing u should consider,it may sound like fun just uprooting yourself and marrying someone from anywhere in the world like u claim u want,but its hard to break from your family back home,move to a different country marry someone from a different culture and live happily ever after,its mostly easier said than done,and for most ppl here divorce is not a big deal,

good luck

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@agathamari, kool down 4 Jesus

even in US, people make less dan 20,000 a year and read my post again, I said he wont make up to 10,000 a month (depending on da nature of the biz)

b/w, the stats of the weather came out last year cuz I wrote a paper on dat and yes, its that part of da US that they mentioned 2 put Canada in 3rd place

Do u know that last week, Washington State had to close some of their airports cuz of snow/bad weather and no snow yet in Canadian cities and Toronto is still like summer/spring

B/w, try going to OHIO, INDIANA, CHICAGO, BOSTON, MD, VA, DC, NY, NJ and environs and it da same weather as most of Canadian States and even a city like Vancouver does not even experience winter really cuz its mostly rain in Vancouver, in fact in dat BC area

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@poster,

I just don't understand how some people are buying your STORY. For the life of me, If its true you are making one million a month, why in the world will you be thinking of relocating?

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your advise is not too bad but do you reckon that people don't immigrate as a visitor?

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@agathamari, Canada population is not declining, where did u get da info from?

do u know dat in Toronto now dat its still like summer,

da weather in Canada is just like da one u will see in most US cities and in terms of weather a sof early this year stats, Canada is third after US and Russia

Canada is good but he cannot make 10,000 dollars a month

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@poster think about what you said.  canada's populations is DECLINING.  why do you think that is?  i have been to canada more times then i can count and have had relatives live there and some like it (ones in ontario) and others despised it (namely those in quebec and newfondland) you wont make 1million niara in a year yet alone a month in canada. they have an insanely high tax rate and you must pay your taxes, not like here in nigeria. the cold there is like nithing you could imagine and depending where in canada you go you will have to adjust to not only artic temeratures but a change in daylight (the far north you have literaly 6 months of darkness and 6 of light.) one thing i would love to see is someone from here see/hear the aurora, there is nothing more beautifuy or creepy in the world. like tony blair said you can judge a country and its appeal by whether people are coming into or leaving.  if the population is DECLINING then there is a reason for it.

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delta007, dont repost just yet the Admin will release your post very soon

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- Switch to a Study Visa: If you have an undergrad and have been hoping to develop yourself some more, then applying for a Masters program might not be a bad idea. You may be able to run your business (depending on its nature) and carryout your program at the same time. Switching to a Study Visa while being in Canada on a Visitor's Visa is relatively easy. You get the admission and send the application and all related documents to the nearest embassy (usually Buffalo). As a Nigerian, you'd be required to do medicals; all these could take 4-5mths before you finally get a Study Visa; and remember, you can only stay in the country for 6mths. This means you need to get the process going immediately you get in; perhaps get the admission before you get in. What this does, is that it enables you to buy time while you put in a PR application and it's being processed. When you graduate, you are also eligible for a 3yr work permit which is more than enough time to get your PR status. Now, as a businessman, you probably have some experience so you may qualify for a couple categories; however, this process could take 6mths for some and it could take 2yrs for the others. Funny enough, you can apply from Nigeria; however, it's only one office in Accra that processes all applications for W.Africa so you are pretty sure that it would take you more than 2yrs before you get a decision.

- Marry someone in Canada and get her/him to sponsor you: If you came in on a Visitor's Visa and got married in Canada, your spouse could sponsor you, regardless of your status. This means that even if you overstayed (which frankly, I do not advice), and eventually fall in love with someone and legally get married, you can become a PR if your spouse agree to sponsor you. Now, this is an area which alot of people exploit, not just Nigerians (Indians, Pakistanis, Carribeans, etc) and the Canadian Immigration is quite aware of it. Hence, the onus is always on you and your spouse to prove that your relationship is genuine and not just for papers. There are also restrictions on who can sponsor and your sponsor (spouse) will be responsible for your upkeep for 3yrs.

- Get a job and get your company to sponsor you: If you are one of those sought-after professionals or you are in that line of field, there's a likelihood you could get a job and the company would sponsor you to get a work permit. These cases are rare but very possible. Most firms these days try to stay away from all these immigration wahala so they'd tell you to come back when you get your papers. However firms that are desperate do make the effort to get you the right papers. In your case, they'd also need to go the extra mile and prove that no Canadian has applied for the job or those who applied are not qualified enough for the job. If you can get a work permit, then you bought yourself time and it's a much easier route to get a PR status.

There are some business loopholes you could exploit but it's not an easy task.

My advice: If you think of improving your skills, you may want to go the study route; perhaps this is the right time since you are still single. However, if that's not your cup of coffee, you may want to start by putting in an application from Nigeria for a PR status. While you make your money in Nigeria, the clock is ticking on your application. Perhaps in 3yrs, you may be approved and you may have a much better perspective of how you want your business to evolve as well as your future family plans. It may not be a wise idea to kill a cash cow just because you want to move to an unknown. You may also want to get a Visitor's visa and travel to see how things are so as to put plans together and put a good struture to your business so that you do not always need to be onground to get maximum revenue. Or wait till when you get your PR status so that you can move relatively easily and operate your business from both ends. I hope I made some sense. Goodluck!

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- Switch to a Study Visa: If you have an undergrad and have been hoping to develop yourself some more, then applying for a Masters program might not be a bad idea. You may be able to run your business (depending on its nature) and carryout your program at the same time. Switching to a Study Visa while being in Canada on a Visitor's Visa is relatively easy. You get the admission and send the application and all related documents to the nearest embassy (usually Buffalo). As a Nigerian, you'd be required to do medicals; all these could take 4-5mths before you finally get a Study Visa; and remember, you can only stay in the country for 6mths. This means you need to get the process going immediately you get in; perhaps get the admission before you get in. What this does, is that it enables you to buy time while you put in a PR application and it's being processed. When you graduate, you are also eligible for a 3yr work permit which is more than enough time to get your PR status. Now, as a businessman, you probably have some experience so you may qualify for a couple categories; however, this process could take 6mths for some and it could take 2yrs for the others. Funny enough, you can apply from Nigeria; however, it's only one office in Accra that processes all applications for W.Africa so you are pretty sure that it would take you more than 2yrs before you get a decision.

- Marry someone in Canada and get her/him to sponsor you: If you came in on a Visitor's Visa and got married in Canada, your spouse could sponsor you, regardless of your status. This means that even if you overstayed (which frankly, I do not advice), and eventually fall in love with someone and legally get married, you can become a PR if your spouse agree to sponsor you. Now, this is an area which alot of people exploit, not just Nigerians (Indians, Pakistanis, Carribeans, etc) and the Canadian Immigration is quite aware of it. Hence, the onus is always on you and your spouse to prove that your relationship is genuine and not just for papers. There are also restrictions on who can sponsor and your sponsor (spouse) will be responsible for your upkeep for 3yrs.

- Get a job and get your company to sponsor you: If you are one of those sought-after professionals or you are in that line of field, there's a likelihood you could get a job and the company would sponsor you to get a work permit. These cases are rare but very possible. Most firms these days try to stay away from all these immigration wahala so they'd tell you to come back when you get your papers. However firms that are desperate do make the effort to get you the right papers. In your case, they'd also need to go the extra mile and prove that no Canadian has applied for the job or those who applied are not qualified enough for the job. If you can get a work permit, then you bought yourself time and it's a much easier route to get a PR status.

There's also the business category but it's a much tougher sell unless you have more than $300k in your account at the moment.

My advice: If you think of improving your skills, you may want to go the study route; perhaps this is the right time since you are still single. However, if that's not your cup of coffee, you may want to start by putting in an application from Nigeria for a PR status. While you make your money in Nigeria, the clock is ticking on your application. Perhaps in 3yrs, you may be approved and you may have a much better perspective of how you want your business to evolve as well as your future family plans. It may not be a wise idea to kill a cash cow just because you want to move to an unknown. You may also want to get a Visitor's visa and travel to see how things are so as to put plans together and put a good struture to your business so that you do not always need to be onground to get maximum revenue. Or wait till when you get your PR status so that you can move relatively easily and operate your business from both ends. I hope I made some sense. Goodluck!

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Have you been to canada before?

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If you are seriously making N1M a month, then stay in Nigeria. If you go to Canada, opportunities are there but you will have to start all over again.

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Hey bro lf you truly make up to five hundred thousand naira a month and still want to relocated to a place of uncertainty like Canada.

l have only one name to call you, A greedy FOOL!

Travel and see na your body go tell you

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Firstly as Visitor, then Permanent resident.

My type of business requires me to be on ground although i could run it as well from Canada but the turn over wont be as much as when im on ground here also i dont want to lose my clientelle base, im known for what i do both in Nigeria and beyond. I dont want to lose the contacts but i deserve a better life, i make so much money here but i dont enjoy it, traffic, insecurity, bad roads, no infrastructure, Nothing. Its so sad.

The money is fine but I am just so confused

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@ charlesisu

Do you have anyone who can possibly help you sustain your business in Nigeria while you are in Canada? You can use the business in Nigeria to help open a new one in Canada.

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topic--"Experience is d most efficient teacher of all things . . . go and try.goodluck.

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i am also planning to relocate to Canada to further my education. Canada is the most beautiful and the best place to raise your kids, you will ask why? Canada is violent free, and the government care for its citizen, be it visitors or indigens. I will advise you to relocate to Canada cos naija no get clue at all, you have the money and the only investment you can do now, is to give your family the best, naija get nothing good to offer your family. Go ahead and fulfill your mission to Canada,

My contact

mbathaddeus_9@yahoo.com

08035142036

Best of luck,

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Yes you can. As long as you do it legally. A good quality life involves more than money. What you see, feel, hear, availability of the basic necessities of life water, electricity, food, access to good education, health care facilities, roads, emergency services, security, new technology, future opportunities, and so on and so forth determine one's quality of life. A million naira a month income in Nigeria does not guarantee you all these. You have to pay through the nose to access all these and still no guarantee. For example Private secondary schools where students pay N600,000 per term in Nigeria are no better than public schools here in terms of facilities and and the quality of education. In fact it is only in Nigeria where you see people who are billionaires and still wish for their kids to live abroad. I have friends whose parents have money back home and still come here to struggle. So my friend the decision is yours as long as you do it legally. Nigeria is an unusual country.

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In your first yr you can make 20% of that amount a month in canada after tax.

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Charles,

What are you planning to migrate as? Visitor, Student, Permanent Resident, Citizen?

What do you plan to do while you are here?

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what exactly is your advice ?

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