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Are Nigerian 'Graduates' Really Graduates?

ARE NIGERIAN 'GRADUATES' REALLY GRADUATES IN THE REAL SENSE OF THE WORD?

I keep wondering the kind of stuff that Nigerian universities are producing. A friend of mine who studied engineering in NAU and graduated with a 2-1 confessed to me that he doesn't know anything when it comes to engineering. How come?

I was really embarrassed the other day, when I was discussing with some economics undergraduates here in the UK. I'm supposed to be a Masters student here but I felt like a fool because I’m afraid I knew nothing about the topics they raised owing to the fact that I was under-educated in Nigeria.

More appalling was the day I couldn't help but overhear a so-called psychologist spitting poo. He made so many grammatical blunders that I denied my nationality. I became an emergency Congolese.

What is your take on these, guys?

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You aint wrong bro. Nigeria is a country where people go to d farm without cutlass. Sometimes, i feel we are just fooling ourselves here. U see a microbiologist who cannot use a microscope, u see a anatomist who has not seen an electron microscope not to talk of use, u see a lecturer who says streptococci is gramnegative, and probably d number of mushrooms universities may increase before u are done with reading this.[color=#006600][/color]

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nigerian unis are crap to say the least.

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This is a very interesting, informative and educative thread, thumbs up for the OP. Even though our education is in dire state, one thing you cannot deny is the tenacity, hardwork, and intelligence of Nigerian students. I have met many Nigerians who are doing well professionally and academically. However, there is also no denying the fact that the state of University education in Nigeria is laughable to say the least. I studied Mechanical/Production engineering in Nigeria but when I moved to the UK I discovered that what I did at Uni was a joke. It will be safe to say I studied Maths instead of engineering - there was no way I was going to get a job with no knowledge of basic engineering experience. The degree was not worth the paper it was written on seriously. I quickly tried my hands on IT which I was fairly good at when I was in Nija and in the process gained some qualifications. Last year I enrolled on a teacher training Post grad course (PGCE) and completed in June of this year. Now I have a job as an ICT teacher with a decent wage and I am loving it.

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@loma and codec, i really appreciated you guys contributions, infact i found my years in the nigerian university as a complete waste of time but as it were now,we all should try to improve the system in any way we can, not just acquiring the knowledge but also teaching others what we ve learnt so far, nice one,thanks for your contributions

@oblong,omon, and lily, sorry guys , your contributions to me,, is useless as you are not factual and not helping the situations at hand,, big up,talk for the majorities and not minorities,

inconclusion,, we all need to help our country and most especially the education sector, in whatever way,, when on hoilday in uk or wherever,go home and organise tutorial for students in your field, thanks

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when i was in Nigeria ,i used to think that Nigerian educational system is not good , but now i can tell you with what i have seen in one of the best schools in the world that Nigerian students are the best . Nigerian students are good. you need to travel and see.Anyway people don"t appreciate what they have .

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Are people still debating this?

Just like anything in Nigeria, our institutions suck, but our people are top drawer.

That's why Nigerians can leave Unilag or Absu and head straight to Stanford and Yale on scholarship. I doubt you see too many Africans doing that.

So long as the people have what it takes, it's only a matter of time before we have the right people in the right places.

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Nigerian graduates are all self taught and hardworking. Even with all the problems of Naija Universities they excel because they work hard. When these same graduates come to the west for further training they outshine local graduates (UK and USA).

Look at the UK and USA where almost 99% of the African Trained Doctors and Dentists are NIGERIAN TRAINED!!!!!!

Most Nigerians who can not get through Undergraduate schooling in Nigeria end up coming to the west where they get addmission easily due to far less competition (compared to NIGERIA).

SO who says Naija GRADS are not good enough??

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guys,i think cimmonjorr understood the system better than most u despite his absence.nigeria needs a total over oiling of the system right from career facilator to jamp and schools.courses are enforced on most nigerian students,most nigerian students read with hunger,fear,inadegute primary needs,lack of acces  to ict.theoricaly nigerians are one the best in the world but practically we are backward because we are not a producing country so don,t be surprise that nigerian engineers know nothing.

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guys,i think cimmonjorr understood the system better than most u despite his absence.nigeria needs a total over oiling of the system right from career facilator to jamp and schools.courses are enforced on most nigerian students,most nigerian students read with hunger,fear,inadegute primary needs,lack of acces to ict.theoricaly nigerians are one the best in the world but practically we are backward because we are not a producing country so don,t be surprise that nigerian engineers know nothing.

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But right now, i really dont see what is enviable. Cos here in the UK (and i bet it's the same in the US),i dont see anyone else apart from Africans and Asians doing postgraduate studies or even studying science/Engineering courses at the undergraduate level.

That said,, Sometime in 2003 during my I.T in P/Harcourt, i met this certain secondary school leaver who was excited about starting up at a University. Sadly, all i recall him talking about was the 'confra' that he was going to join and the kind of grooving he was going to involve himself in. I just found myself wondering,

Nigerian Universities are good and they have had their days of glory. But even then and now it will and would be

gabbage in = gabbage out.

I know a school that reduced it's 'Admission by remedial' exam score to as low as 25% just so they could meet up with the quota (60% of admissions usually go to people within the catchment area of the university or something like that).

Now tell me how someone who scored only 25% in O-level kind of exams can learn anything in a University.

Like i said, gabbage in = gabbage out.

I will blame the culture that placed too much emphasis on paper qualification or schooling as the only way out in life. Over here i dont see Brits being crazy about university. I am guessing it's because they live in a society that doesnt put too much pressure on them to do so.

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hehe good quez, well some and we also have the knuckleheads

I met an abia state university graduate(banking and finance) who cldnt read? like wtf?

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Nigerian graduates are graduates of economic ruin, internal turmoil, unplanned environment and insecurity. They always come out very hardened and ready to adapt to the toughest challenges in life. I salute their courage.

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It's the system of paper qualifications.

Thank God for aptitude tests even though Nigerians are beginning to find away around those too.

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I know a lawyer, and i really doubt her credentials and if she truly went through law school. Enlish: zero, legal terms : zero, am a social worker and i know more of law than she does especially family lwa, when am discusing cases with her she seems lost and confused.

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Most of them are not really graduates, only few of them know what they are doing in school.

Let me Use Unizik (NAU),as a case study.

Here's how the semester goes

At the beginning of the semester, most of these students will just pay their school fees and travel out of town. The next time you can see them them in school is during the exam period. Before the exams, they organise themselves and contribute huge amount of money used to bribe the lecturers. Honestly speaking, most of these lecturers collect the money and give the participants good grades, even if you take the exam or not. Just this year, a female lecturer and her son was shot dead in their home. WHY? Just because she doesnt play ball with these students. Acccording to reliable sources, she doesnt collect bribe; hence, most of these students have taken her course multiple times.

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Bros, not entirely correct o.

I assume you're talking about NCAT Zaria. You don't need a degree to get into NCAT.

In fact school cert is the entry requirement into the 3 year program for flying and aircraft engineering.

What a degree gives you is the opportunity to enrol for the 1 year abridged course.

Even private scholarships to SA, UK and the US, such as Bristow's program, only require a school certificate. For flying, age is a consideration, and it's not likely they would admit someone to flying school if he was the average age of Nigerian grads.

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It's like i'm saying Nigerian graduates are not disadvantaged. I'm saying if they can't do it's not because they don't have the aptitude but because the system just wont let them.

Look at our school of aviation for example, do you know you have to have atleast a B sc before you can apply for admission while in other countries you moight need only an A level, why ?

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Do you know, I didn't really read this post before.

@poster, are you saying you walked away from Uniben to go to NIIT? Can you elaborate?

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@edoyad

cannot believe u,re saying this, nigerian graduates only graduate on nigerian standard but not for world standard, our materials are obsolate,lecturers not up to standard,infrastructures not there and so on, whether in terms of engineering,medicine,law and so on we are not up to date, it is obvious in our environment, do not try to take it personal it is not ur fault, nigeria is an underdeveloped country where most people are just trying to survive, going to school in nigeria is just for getting a job so how can the quality be there, the amount of pressure,stress,hardwork etc you go through in school does not necessarilly mean "best education",

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In terms of access to training facilities, yes Nigerian graduates have ground to make up after school.

But listen to me, from business to engineering, Nigerian graduates out perform theircounter-parts from other parts of the world not to mention Aerica.

You also have to realise the amount of rot that's in the system(Nigeria as a whole).

I've had people who've gone to school abroad(post gradute for that matter) and have returned not just top of the flock but amazed at how easy things are outside.

All these Nigerians that can't pass JAMB are the ones who go out and come back yarning all sorts of rubbish.

If the foreign degrees are that good why don't they get taken by the big corporations over there ? Instead they come back with toronto degrees trying to pull a smoke screen.

Nigeria has a problem of institutionalised corruption, and until it is solved we will continue to have wheat and chaff coming together.

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are there any universities in Nigeria?

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compared to nigerian standard they are really graduates but compared to world standard they are not, its an underdeveloped country and as far as using what is on ground nigerian students are the best, graduates from developed countries are a lot more advanced than graduates from nigeria simply because of the environment, the environment helps the students to study and some of this students graduate to become teachers,lecturers to teach the undergraduates the same quality of education they got, so as u can see its a cycle and this will continue until we become as developed as them,

theres a room for improvement but to get to world standard then i guess thats asking for too much, guess the right question for this thread is "HOW CAN WE IMPROVE OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM"

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Interestingly, has anyone seen the Zain African Challenge?

Nigerian Universities are giving a pretty good account of themselves in Africa at the Zain Africa Challenge.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200904170774.html

Seems the glass is half full after all.

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This is an interesting thread.

I would say we have done the best we could in Nigeria as individuals, given the lack of a condusive environment, such as we have here. Most of the time, we benchmark the educational standard in Nigeria against the UK and US. I think most developing nations, especially those in Africa, will also fall very short if they measure their educational standard against what obtains in these two countries. So, I'll not be so quick to rubbish totally our educational system. Its products are all over the world representing very well, and making sizeable impact.

That is not to say that I don't acknowledge that our educational standard has fallen drastically, as a result of many years of political instability. I think we started well, when these schools were being founded, but the long years of military rule and lack of general development has taken its toll, and we have fallen way way behind even the likes of Ghana and Cameroun.

I share the pain of most posters, especially the engineers, since I'm one of you, and I received both my degrees from Nigerian universities. The truth is that as long as we are down there, even our economy, social consciousness, and polity will remain in the doldrums. Even in the corporate world, I see the stark reality of our collective incompetence and profligiacy every day, and it's saddening. But I think there's a lot of hope. I've seen the way the new breed of students (at least the serious ones) embrace the Internet as a learning tool. I'll encourage us all to equip ourselves as best as possible, and get the best of education we can get from all over the world. At the end of the day, if we take this attitude, the impact will be felt at home.

Cheers.

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I agree with the guy above, Nice one! Degrees or Universities don't matter. It's all about personal knowledge and how you use it.

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I think that depends on individuals as against wot we were taught in school or which university we went to. alot of us are educated illiterates who went to school just to get the degree forgettion that the world out there goes beyond that. Everyday knowledge increases and u cannot continue to live in the glory of what you learnt as an economist or business admiistration graduate two years ago. we need to read and search for knowledge beyond what we think we know cao wot u know may just not count. Those undergraduate students talked about, am sure are open to alot of ideas and information beyond class room and lectures. Ideas rule the world dont be limited.

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I appreciate all of u that have said the truth about the Nigerian University system.My post-secondary school years was spent first in a professional school where i became CHARTERED,to fufill all righteousness i decided to get a Bsc,but was shocked to my marrows about the backwardness of our undergraduates n graduates.I only got more social exposure but without additional skills.While in my foundation stages,I lectured 300 level and Final year students of accounting,Banking and finance students.CIA

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Totally besides the point. what the poster tried to achieve with this thread, was to point out the dysfunctional nature of the educational system. Sure any body could be GAINFULLY employed, whether he/she is a petroleum engineer working as a cashier @ a bank, or a lawyer doing the job of a public admin, they're GAINFULLY employed right? The question is, as a graduate of the Nigerian "university", could u, in ur own endeavor , stand alongside ur counterparts, that graduated from, Ghana? The content of the system needs to be updated, thats what needs to be done, so as to meet up with educational standards in other parts.Just my thoughts, though,

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Uchetobi,

i feel you jare

Same thing with me, its just been two months

but i am GAINFULLY Employed

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I can only speak for myself. am a Nigerian graduate and really a graduate. i was plunged into the deep end of the labor market immediately after school (dint waste a day looking for job and no i dont work in my father's company or any relative's company) to sink or swim. And i have been swimming for 2 years now without drowning.

Advice to stufents reading this. face your studies dilligently. once you are brilliant you will be discovered. A gold fish has no hiding place for real. the bible also says show me a man dilligent in his ways and he will stand before kings and not mere men.

Constantly challenge yourself and be the best you can be at every given time

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@ Loma, God bless u for being honest with urself.

@ poster, the only way ur question wuld make sense, would be if Nigeria had a single university. what we have are KG, really. Even high school students in China culd manufacture phones. We have computer,mechanical and the rest of em bullshit engineering taught in these KG's, ppl are graduating with 1-1's and 2-1's daily, nothing to show, it's a shame, if u ask me.

Personally, i've always had a dream to study certain advanced courses (aeronautic engineering,nuclear,etc), right from my primary school, but when i finished secondary, i could not find one University offering them courses. I said, ok, lemme manage computer science, i went to Uniben (which was about the best at the time), and for the thousands of students in CE then, we didn't have up to 500 systems in the lab. I tried a private Poly in Abuja, no way.So in 2003 when i heard of NIIT and how they were up to the standard, internationally, i decided there and then i wasn't going to step foot in any of them KG's, ever. Today i'm a Software Engineer, tested, trusted and not found wanting. My name is included in Oracle Technology Network, Sun Developer Network,Association Of Computing Machinery (worldwide).I am really disappointed in Nigeria's educational system, and I pray God will not allow my children to be slow by this mediocre system. Word of advice to all so-called graduates, whatever field u find urself, make sure u are up to date, dont think that because the system is backward, u should remain backward, because one day, u might find urself in an advanced environment, and that, my friends, wuld be ur day of reckoning. Just my thoughts, people.

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my dear i be graduate o!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sch no easy, book wok hard. no blame sum pple 4 dia disgrace. d tin b say sum of our universities na pry sch standard odas manage b sec sch standard. wetin u expect? i no blame sum employers wey dem dey specify ''A WELL RECOGNISED SCHOOL''

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In all honesty, i think most Nigerian graduates are trying. While we have some grads that can not say one or two things about their course of study, some take pain to read, do assignments, go for lectures and even do presentations despite the hostile/ unfriendly environments. No foreign student can go through our system of learning here and survive! not to talk of making a third class.

I think we are actually utilizing the best being impacted on us by our lecturers. It is a known fact that you cant teach what you dont know.

So it is the little that our lecturers know cum their exposure to the outside world (if any) that they will deliver. Biologically, when energy moves from one level to another in an energy pyramid, certain percentage of it is trapped, in the same vein, it is not all they (the lecturers) know that we the students assimilate from them, hence we go to the library to read an edition that is 3-4 times behind the latest edition. Yet some of us still make do of what we have learnt.

I strongly think that if we are in a stable, conducive and comfortable learning environment, the so called British or American students can not stand our brains.

We learn in a hard way here. Imagine 600 students in a class, what do you expect?

Despite the fact that some of us did not have the opportunity of attending any private institution at all we still make something good out of the public schools we attended.

So asking that '' are Nigerian graduates really graduates'' i think it is subjective.

Regards.

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Guys I need a help. I want to do MSc in Pipeline engineering from UK, but I am confused whether to go to Cranfield University or Newcastle University; which one is better in terms of job prospect?

I also want to know whether it is possible to earn enough there to be able to pay for the Tuition fee and Living expense. In Cranfield Tuition fee is 16000 us dollars and living expense is about 6000 us dollars so the the total is 22000 us dollars. I can't pay all this huge money. Similarly in Newcastle the total cost is about 20000 us dollars per year. That is also big sum.

I may be able to take from my home maximum upto 10000 us dollars. Is that enough to study in Cranfield or in Newcastle?

Somebody who studied in Cranfield or Newcastle, please help me by replying; I would be grateful.

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Teehehehehe, this topic is funny!!

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i dont think the problem is with the goverment or lack of facilities. it is an individual thing. throughout my stay in school, i had friends that could not read for exams or study just to know what they ve been taught. they all depended on expos and exam malpratices together with bribing of lecturers.so i think the problem is over population,then we ve 200 to 400 student in an examination hall,with just 4 or 3 invegilators and maybe 200 seats,there ll definitely be cheating. so i think if we lay more importance to values than certificates,student ll really want to know and not just graduating

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Most times,Nigerian graduates have me deny being a Nigerian or how do you explain a situation whereby an english graduate cannot construct simple english and mixing up past tense with past continous etc.

Anyway,we still have a few ones who are doing us proud.

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BELIEVE YOU ME SOME PEOPLE WITH 2.1 MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES WHEN IT COMES TO INTERVIEW

.SOME DIDNOT GET THE 2.1 IN A NORMALL WAY,SOME GOT THEIRS THROUGH FLIRTING WITH LECTURERS AND SOME THROUGH BRIBERY SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM SUCH A GRADUATE.WELL MY ADVISE FOR PEOPLE IS THAT THEY SHOULD KEEP IT UP. I FINISHED FROM OSU WITH A 2.2 BUT YOU CANNOT COMPARE ME WITH SOME 2.1 PEOPLE .I FINISHED WITH 2.2 WITH A LOT OF FRUSTRATION FROM LECTURERS NOT THAT I 'M FINE JUST THAT THEY ARE JUST USELESS.SO IN MY OWN CASE I TRY EVERY OTHER MEANS TO IMPROVE MYSELF ACADEMIC ALLY.TODAY I'M A CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT.HOPING FOR BETTR TOMMORROW IN MY LIFE .BUT WITH THE 2PAC'S WORDS LIFE GOES ON EITHER IN THE BAD WAY OR IN A GOOD WAY.SOME GRADUATES ARE GRADUATES BY MOUTH.

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Well I cant speak for anybody else! Just myself so all I will say is that I am a Nigerian, schooled in Nigeria (first degree) and I can defend my certificate anywhere at anytime. So therefore am a Graduate

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Nigerian graduates who pass through the system without involvement in examination malpractices are really graduates.What happen is that most people cheat all through school from primary school through higher institutionseven in job aptitude tests and interviews.In fact I was shocked to realize that there are people who passed some subjects with good grades who cannot read simple English.I was shocked to notice a close relative of mine could not read even the bible and she made 4 credits in SSCE.What happens if she succeeds in securing admission into a university?She will definitely beat the system.Such is the case of most people who do not have basic foundation before going through the university system.They end up cheating their way through.

Understandably, the quality of education has fallen as in all speres of our national life.Personal development is the key.If you can pass through the university system without cheating at least you should have the basic foundation and be trainable.

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a good number of nigerian  graduates are good its just that we lack the proper environment to study and make researches.

that why we are good in the theoritical aspect.

a normal university even a normal secondary school in the developed countries are fully equipped. what we have here is a sorry state.

one thing that helps nigerians is that we are good to adapt to things ver easily. our graduate who go abroad to study do well because its a matter of urgency and they made to adapt fast.

so not all blame goes to the graduate leave most of the blame to the entire system.

the system in which the whites or the so called illuminati want to control everything they dont want the africans to reach their level. the stystem is most to be blamed[/color][color=#990000].

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let us start talking positive then,let us pretend our graduates are of good standard

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i would like to take on scorpio on what he said about the guy in his first year medical class,he is basically thought basic sciences so he can;t be so knowledgeable when it comes to anatomy of the body you guys should stop bullshitting we are not so dumb in nigeria here.there are guy here in nigeria who are much more intelligent than you guys in the uk if given a level playing ground,so you guys should stop this your queer talks and start talking positive about your country.

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The American Educational system is constantly evolving due to globalization in the world. The curriculum on campuses, are top notch. Fortunately, they have an independent body like the US News and World reports that assigns a certain score to reflect the coursework of the campus. There is no way to compare the US and the Nigerian educational system. One is way ahead of the other, and the Nigerian system is far lagging behind. As absurd as it may sound, it is indeed true that some computer science graduates are not adept at using the computer, neither can a Mass Communication graduate cwrite a press report. But that is the scenario back home. I graduated from Uniuyo years back, and the coursework that I underwent has very little bearing with my intended field. It was like almost starting from the scratch again with my education. What a waste of time?

Can you believe that there are some people with a four year degree from Nigeria, whose credentials, (irrespective of their high grade), cannot place them in their prospective field? Some have had to give up completely on education and follow the nursing route, or other fields. There is no way that I would advise a relative (especially if they are rich) to school in Nigeria. Not being critical, but being realistic. We may be "worth our salt", as someone asserted on the board, but when you are not in an environment that cant nurture you, your creativity becomes obsolete.

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Could you throw more light on this?

Zahymaka

What am trying to say is that there is no fresh ideas here in Nigeria,

Since the day i have been born itś the same process beans is been cooked, the same process that corn and plantain is been roasted at the side of the road nothing new no one can experiment!!!

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well !!! you guys have says your opinion and your insight to the nigeria university and their product. but one thing i want you to know is that, no matter where you are or what ever you find yourself doing, itis not you yourself but it is the ability and the natural built in strenght that is in you that makes you to be there. to be candid some of your conversation are rubbish, yes rubbish. why should you be saying that nigeria graduate are not up to standard in the world maket. i am a nigeria and i am proud to be a nigerian for life. though i studied agricultural engineering and i know what it takes me to finished my course in nigeria so why should you be talking rubbish because you are now in allien land that should't be so yu need to encourage nigeria student to go go school. to crown it all, nigeria education is the best so far, though you go through some stress, thoughness, reading overnight in campus class room or in the bush but they prepare you for your doing best at the international schools. they are your foundation and i believe you should;nt forget your foundation or else you will fall definitely fall. GREATEST NIGERIA STUDENT ABROAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!

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In a nutshell, it's really a matter of Nigerian students being LAZY. We can't blame the govt for everything. Practical courses like comp sci, cannot be learned by theory alone, one has to go out & research, learn on your own. DAT'S d way it works EVERYWHERE. I know ppl wit 2.1's and 1st class dat cant even get around their own system, not cos dey aren't bright bt cos they didn't go dat extra mile.

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One of my lecturers back then in school, Dr , taught us techniques he learnt or was taught in the 60's & 70's. One of my coursemate brought a notebook from home on that course that his unlce used as a student in UNN in the early 70's and we were very comfortable to use that notebook to study becos it contained almost everything the Doctor was teaching us in this new millenium. Can u imagine that!!

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